Cable Forum - Russia has invaded Ukraine

Wow, that’s impressive - I haven’t seen that big a stretch since Saturday 1st February 1975, at RAF Cosford.

That was Geoff Capes warming up for the Shot Put at the U.K. Indoor Athletic Championships… :D

Thank you!

But the reason, I bring it up, and I do realise that it was 24yrs ago.

But from the end of WWII until then the US, and us, did indeed hold the moral high ground.

We tut-tutted at the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and armed the Taliban, sorry Mujahideen, to resist them.

But when we invaded Iraq, a sovereign nation, and occupied it. We lost any moral authority we thought we had.

If the West can do that, with impunity, why not Russia? (And that question is directed at you Hugh)

ianch99

20-03-2025 20:36

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36193089)

The fact that he can't work out the difference between the Iraq of Saddam Hussein and the Ukraine of 2022 says all you need to know.

Pierre

20-03-2025 21:02

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193093)

The fact that he can't work out the difference between the Iraq of Saddam Hussein and the Ukraine of 2022 says all you need to know.

Please educate me.

Please explain how an unprovoked, illegal invasion, and occupation of a sovereign nation where, a proxy government was installed, and hundreds of thousands innocent civilians were killed.

Is any different to what’s happening now, except that we did it so it’s ok.

You’ve said it……..tell me the difference? And I want an answer.

jfman

20-03-2025 21:18

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America committed war crimes in Iraq - the rape and murder of women and children. Unfortunately they just fail the test of whether we should be concerned or not when held up against the dulux chart.

Any other party to a treaty or series of defence accords with Iraq could have very easily intervened should it have wanted to on the basis of American intervention. Which is why these things are dangerous - especially in a post October 8th world where Israel have ripped up all the norms of warfare and dragged complicit American and European politicians with it.

Paul	21-03-2025 05:27

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193095)

Please educate me.

You’ve said it……..tell me the difference? And I want an answer.

You might want to read the post again. ;)

Pierre

21-03-2025 08:20

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36193097)

You might want to read the post again. ;)

Ok, yes. But I fail to see what the regime in power of either nation has anything to do with it?

Hugh	21-03-2025 09:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193091)

You might need to revisit that position

---------- Post added at 19:56 ---------- Previous post was at 19:46 ----------

Thank you!

But the reason, I bring it up, and I do realise that it was 24yrs ago.

But from the end of WWII until then the US, and us, did indeed hold the moral high ground.

We tut-tutted at the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and armed the Taliban, sorry Mujahideen, to resist them.

But when we invaded Iraq, a sovereign nation, and occupied it. We lost any moral authority we thought we had.

If the West can do that, with impunity, why not Russia? (And that question is directed at you Hugh)

Well, since I think both were wrong, I wouldn’t have thought of using it as a justification for supporting what Putin did…

thenry

31-03-2025 17:50

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The president of Finland says Donald Trump is running out of patience with Vladimir Putin and is frustrated with him.

https://news.sky.com/story/finnish-p...efire-13339288

I don't understand why Trump is getting annoyed. He's busy helping Ukraine win the war :confused: can't have it both ways. Pull out.

mrmistoffelees

31-03-2025 18:12

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36193606)

I don't understand why Trump is getting annoyed. He's busy helping Ukraine win the war :confused: can't have it both ways. Pull out.

Wait. What ?

How do you get to that conclusion ?

thenry

31-03-2025 18:16

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193608)

Wait. What ?

How do you get to that conclusion ?

On the basis Russia doesn't take the whole of Ukraine. Which is far fetched I'll admit. Still America isn't helping end the war by being involved.

pip08456

31-03-2025 18:39

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193608)

Wait. What ?

How do you get to that conclusion ?

He likes dreaming.

1andrew1

08-04-2025 22:18

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Looks like Russia is recruiting foreign mercenaries to fight for it in Ukraine.

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Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Chinese men fighting for Russia captured in Ukraine

Ukrainian president demands explanation and accuses Beijing of actively participating in Moscow’s war

Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said his forces have captured fighters from China who were supporting Russian troops in eastern Ukraine, marking the first time Chinese citizens have been taken captive during the war.

Ukraine’s president on Tuesday said he had instructed his foreign minister Andriy Sybiha to “immediately contact Beijing” for an official explanation and accused China of aligning itself with Russia in the war.

Sybiha said he had summoned the Chinese chargé d’affaires in Kyiv.

Zelenskyy said: “This is another country that militarily supports Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. This is another one after Iran and the North Korean military.”

“But there is a difference: the North Koreans fought against us on the front in [the Russian region of] Kursk, the Chinese are fighting on the territory of Ukraine,” he said, adding he expected a response from the US and Europe. Iran has only provided military equipment to Russia in this war.

The two Chinese fighters, aged 33 and 31, had both been recruited by Russian military officials to sign up as contract soldiers, said Ukrainian officials familiar with the matter.

https://www.ft.com/content/930cd517-...4-f90955500f49

thenry

08-04-2025 22:21

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Well is it their side of the world :)

1andrew1

08-04-2025 22:49

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36194283)

Well is it their side of the world :)

Europe? :confused:

Hugh	08-04-2025 23:09

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36194283)

Well is it their side of the world :)

China’s border 3,700 miles away from Ukraine’s border (not that much less than the distance from Alaska to China).

(It’s about the same distance as London to Miami, or about two and a half times the distance from London to Moscow…)

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