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That was an interesting article and mirrors something I have been thinking about for a while - the end of the British Empire. Are we still going through the end or is what is happening now something new?

There are lots of theories on why the empire ended but they seem to revolve around economic stresses and local uprisings. You could say the Boer War or the partition of Ireland was the beginning of the end of empire but the real death throes were (in my opinion) the rise of a wealthy and more internationalist USA.

think we are still on the arc of the end of the British Empire. What the end state will be, who knows?

This film, which I am half way through, is revealing and disturbing:

The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire

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The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire is a documentary released in Mexico during May 2017 which details the transformation of the UK as a colonial super power to a global financial power. It suggests that the City of London Corporation and its banks have done tremendous damage to the world economy since the 1960s and that up to half of all offshore wealth (globally) is hidden in one of many British offshore jurisdictions. With contributions from leading experts, academics, former insiders and campaigners for social justice, the film claims to highlight how in the world of international finance, corruption and secrecy have prevailed over regulation and transparency, and the UK is right at the heart of this.

Film review: The Spider’s Web – Britain’s Second Empire

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The Spider’s Web offers unique insight into the British Empire, both past and present, and its colonies and far flung outposts. This is a story which, if known at all, is often understood through a rose tinted view of what that British Empire actually represented. The Spider’s Web details how the former Empire was transformed after World War 2 into a new financial empire of offshore tax havens and secrecy jurisdictions.

Watch it if you can .. I think it may be on Amazon if you have access to this.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971408)

Not a great fan of Memes but this one seems to be on par as to what the EU stands for....

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1542632178

Gross misrepresentation of why the EU was formed and what it strives for. Comparing (again) the EU with Nazi Germany show you have totally lost the plot.

nomadking

19-11-2018 15:14

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35971409)

Don't notice any other country desperate to leave, quite the opposite there are 5 waiting to join....

We arent the only ones to have concerns, but maybe others see reform of the EU as the way forward, not just running away into financial ruin/obscurity.

Only because they want the free money that comes with it, and freedom of movement. Even more Turkish, Ukrainian, Albanian, etc criminals and gangsters and general dross waiting to come to the EU.

Eg There was a TV programme where a Czech Roma couple had arrived in Rotherham with TWENTY-TWO of their children and grandchildren. Only one of them had a job. So they, along with an estimated 6,000 other Czech Roma just in Rotherham had to be housed, funded with benefits etc.

ianch99

19-11-2018 15:19

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971413)

Absolute bollocks - The EU did not exist when Churchill was alive.

Which bit is bollocks"? Nice turn of phrase by the way, classy ..

On September 19, 1946, Sir Winston Churchill delivered his famous speech in Zurich calling for the creation of “a United States of Europe”:

Here's the transcript:

http://www.goldmercury.org/news-and-...tes-of-europe/

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Yet all the while there is a remedy which, if it were generally and spontaneously adopted by the great majority of people in many lands, would as by a miracle transform the whole scene and would in a few years make all Europe, or the greater part of it, as free and happy as Switzerland is today. What is this sovereign remedy? It is to recreate the European fabric, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, safety and freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living. The process is simple. All that is needed is the resolve of hundreds of millions of men and women to do right instead of wrong and to gain as their reward blessing instead of cursing.

OLD BOY

19-11-2018 15:22

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35971390)

Yet again you ignore the reality all around you. Your desperation in resorting to name calling as a response is just pathetic. If you think people who manipulate the country's finances for personal gain ar irrelevant then you are more divorced from reality than I imagined.

Just to be clear, I do not "detest" wealth creators and risk takers per se. The ones I detest are those who seek to gain personal wealth at the expense of the population they claim to help or represent.

The most disturbing aspect of your reply is your casual disregard and contempt for the other citizens of this country. Your willingness to plunge into the abyss of a no-deal Brexit betrays a naivety at best and a frightening level of denial at worse.

Completely wrong - again! Incidentally, I was not 'name calling' - you must have invented that one.

If you seriously believe that wealth creators are not making money to make themselves rich, I don't know what planet you are on. The point is, the money they make comes into the country, and this is good for all of us.

Something you might like to consider. Our exports to the EU have reduced from 57% over a decade ago to 44% now. Additionally, according to the IMF, 90% of global growth in the next five years will occur outside of Europe.

Codification, bureaucracy and incompetence in the EU is stifling business. The reality is that a good future for the UK lies outside of the EU, and if we actually manage to detach ourselves from the EU's stranglehold over us, we will go from strength to strength.

I want this country to prosper in a way that also benefits the poorer sector of our society and to free ourselves of that collosal debt that has been accrued while we have been bringing down the deficit. In what way is that 'a casual disregard and contempt for the other citizens of this country'? That sounds to me like a Corbyn rant.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35971437)

Unfortunately, this 'United States of Europe' will be ruled by bureaucrats. Something I doubt very much Churchill envisaged.

ianch99

19-11-2018 15:32

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35971438)

You seem be unable to comprehend the difference between Benevolent Capitalism and Disaster Capitalism. Your binary view of what is and is not possible is depressing but not unsurprising.

You have been drinking too much of the free marketeers cool-aid. Trickle Down Economics has long since been disproven yet you clearly still believe the cliche. The free market has no morality. The people I refer to will aim to profit from the misfortunes of this country. They already have done so and will continue to do so unless we, the host on which they feed, say "enough is enough".

You also end by the tired "he sounds like Corbyn" jibe even though I have repeated many many times I cannot stand the man. More imagination is needed ..

OLD BOY

19-11-2018 15:41

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35971440)

So you are accusing this man of 'disaster capitalism'.

OK, would you mind telling me in what way this profit he's made affects the poor people of this country? He's made money and he pays tax on that. Nothing illegal has been done and we benefit by way of the tax revenue that results.

So if you actually banned this practice, how do you envisage that the poor would benefit?

techguyone

19-11-2018 16:22

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35971437)

That was a response to WW2 with the idea being a united Europe would be less inclined to have perpetual wars...

NATO pretty much stopped that.

Mick	19-11-2018 16:28

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35971433)

This film, which I am half way through, is revealing and disturbing:

The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire

Film review: The Spider’s Web – Britain’s Second Empire

Watch it if you can .. I think it may be on Amazon if you have access to this.

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Gross misrepresentation of why the EU was formed and what it strives for. Comparing (again) the EU with Nazi Germany show you have totally lost the plot.

No plot lost here and it is a true representation, nothing you say changes that and if you also question/insult my mental state again, your account will also be subject to termination. I have had enough!

ianch99

19-11-2018 16:29

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35971443)

That was a response to WW2 with the idea being a united Europe would be less inclined to have perpetual wars...

NATO pretty much stopped that.

Disagree. Churchill was no idiot. If he felt that a military alliance would have sufficed, that is what he would have advocated.

jfman

19-11-2018 17:16

Re: Brexit

Another day closer to our remain PM and remain Parliament ignoring the advisory referendum that if held today may produce a different result anyway.

Hugh	19-11-2018 17:34

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35971454)

Another day closer to our remain PM and remain Parliament ignoring the advisory referendum that if held today may produce a different result anyway.

Remember, the reason that it was advisory was that we are a Representative Democracy, not a Direct Democracy.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/11/4.png

handyman

19-11-2018 17:40

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971445)

Rarely come to the forum and this is a fine example of why I stay away. :rolleyes:

Wielding your tiny amount of 'power' threatening to ban members who disagree with you so that you can try to push your inaccurate agenda.

Comparing the EU to the Nazi's is just about as wrong as it gets and a perfect example of why so many people were whipped up to vote on a pack of lies.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/11/5.png

jfman

19-11-2018 18:12

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I’d actually forgotten something that I’ve just realised will be the pièce de résistance.

Our remain Chancellor, Philip Hammond, delivering his emergency Budget statement. Cuts, cuts and more cuts.

I might get the popcorn in specially for the occasion. This will give the Labour Party clear cover to call for a second referendum.

Angua

19-11-2018 18:21

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35971457)

With Brexiteer Corbyn in charge I would not hold my breath. :erm: You could choke on your popcorn sadly.

He is the only opposition leader to walk away from open goal opportunities.

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