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Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35952161)

My kids are 10 and 12 and as they get older, I would very much like them to work abroad. Casual work would be fine - strap on a rucksack and get out there and do bar or restaurant work for the summer. I was lucky enough to work abroad when I was 21 and it changed my outlook on life completely. It’s tough moving to another country, it definitely makes you grow up quick! It also gives you a much broader outlook on different nationalities. That opportunity has been taken away from them and that’s a real shame.

Yes, I am sure they will still be able to get jobs abroad but no way as easily as they could if we stayed in the EU.

See told you it was a bit fluffy and self serving!

Never understood this, Brexit doesn't mean we wont be allowed into the EU to work , Casually or otherwise.

What do you base that on?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35952248)

Never understood this, Brexit doesn't mean we wont be allowed into the EU to work , Casually or otherwise.

What do you base that on?

At the moment you are entitled to work in the EU automatically. We don't know what the future arrangements for that will be. It won't mean you're banned from working but you might need permits e.t.c which could also be unavailable for certain types of work.

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35952248)

Never understood this, Brexit doesn't mean we wont be allowed into the EU to work , Casually or otherwise.

That you know of...

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What do you base that on?

Well, until a permanent (or even stop gap arrangement) is put into place for the time after March of next year you will not have the automatic right to do so anymore.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35952252)

This basically, no casual work, you may well need a job to go to. I have seen it the other way where the brother of one of our senior manager who is Hungarian came over to work. He was 18 and wanted to improve his English and experience the UK. Both great ambitions. He was never out of work to be honest, to the point where if he didn’t like the job he had, he quit and got a different one later that day! His opinion of 18 year old British people wasn’t very high to say the least.

If I am looking through CVs, if someone has travelled and worked abroad, that is a big plus for me as it shows a toughness and ambition. Not the be all and end all but if I had two equal candidates and one of them has travelled, I would pick them.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35952156)

Of course he was, and so was I. Did you see what I did there?

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Incidentally, I am completely at a loss about the alleged bad grammar and 'making up random c**p'. What the hell are you talking about? Would you care to elaborate so I can give a sensible response to your post?

Okay...this post, you said:

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Older people suffer far more than young people from cuts to health benefits, and let's not forget who trashed our economy. Christ!

You are right that older people do suffer more due to cuts - I tried making that point to you in regards to services. You didn't seem to care about the shortage of workers later in life.

Secondly though (not as a question) but as a statement you said "let's not forget who trashed our economy". You did not put it as a question but as a statement, with emphasis, then answered your own statement with "Christ!".

That implies that you believe that Christ trashed the economy.

When you first posted as much I took pity on you (we all make typographical and grammatical errors, me more so than most) and decided not to call you out on it. Than when Ianch99 did, instead of just issuing a Mea culpa you denied the fact that it was an error and are now trying to make it look like you intended it come out that way.

You got it wrong, no big deal. Instead of just brushing it off though, you are making it out like everyone else is in the wrong.

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By the way, we are debating issues here, no need to get personal. :sorry:

You are the one who accused me of using the same language as Nazi Sympathizers...

You seem very eager to dish it out but can't stomach the response in return. Only most of ours have merit, yours is just the latest absurdity of the day.

You can go back to comparing the rest of us to Hitler / Nazi appeasers in the mean time...while claiming that it is nothing personal, and playing the victim, all at one go.

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35952248)

Never understood this, Brexit doesn't mean we wont be allowed into the EU to work , Casually or otherwise.

What do you base that on?

This is not a personal dig, but your post reminds me. I've lost count of the number of times that I've seen people including politicians state "I know exactly what I voted for" only to express surprise that the country could not nominate a future European City of Culture or could not remain part of the Galileo Positioning System. Leave means leave peeps!

Re: Brexit discussion

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35952252)

You may also have challenges with Healthcare cover, essential for long term assignments abroad if your company does not underwrite your health insurance. The long term status of EHIC post-Brexit is unclear ..

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Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas (Post 35952258)

No...it just looked like you didn't get it.

/Shrug

Most of your comments here to me have come off as "probably sarcastic" as I can't view them with any seriousness, so I suppose I should have just done the same with that one, too. Sorry I took it to be meretricious - won't make that mistake again.

Okay...this post, you said:

You are right that older people do suffer more due to cuts - I tried making that point to you in regards to services. You didn't seem to care about the shortage of workers later in life.

Secondly though (not as a question) but as a statement you said "let's not forget who trashed our economy". You did not put it as a question but as a statement, with emphasis, then answered your own statement with "Christ!".

That implies that you believe that Christ trashed the economy.

When you first posted as much I took pity on you (we all make typographical and grammatical errors, me more so than most) and decided not to call you out on it. Than when Ianch99 did, instead of just issuing a Mea culpa you denied the fact that it was an error and are now trying to make it look like you intended it come out that way.

You got it wrong, no big deal. Instead of just brushing it off though, you are making it out like everyone else is in the wrong.

You are the one who accused me of using the same language as Nazi Sympathizers...

You seem very eager to dish it out but can't stomach the response in return. Only most of ours have merit, yours is just the latest absurdity of the day.

You can go back to comparing the rest of us to Hitler / Nazi appeasers in the mean time...while claiming that it is nothing personal, and playing the victim, all at one go.

Oh, no Chloé, you are under a big misapprehension there. I have never intended to be rude to you, but it seems that my humour has been interpreted as scornful berating, so I apologise for that, but I'm still not sure what you meant by bad grammar! No worries, let's move on. :sorry:

Of course I am concerned by the potential shortage of workers in this country, but that won't be the fault of Brexit, it will be the fault of that ridiculous policy to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands. Theresa May was landed with that one by Cameron and now has to diplomatically extracate herself from it. Immigration should be restricted to those we need to fill our vacancies where we have a skills or labour shortage - that's what is important.

As for my 'Christ' comment, that was a word to express exasperation that people were already forgetting that Labour was responsible for not keeping sufficient balances in the budget to whether the economic storm. You must know that I was not blaming Him for our misfortune.

I really was not comparing you with Nazi sympathisers, either! That is taking things way to personally, and I would not think that of you from what I know of you so far. The comparison was with the way of thinking (ie negative and defeatist, as opposed to positive and thrusting), so sorry for that upset also, it was not intended.

I think you are misunderstanding me, from what I can gather from your posts. We are all entitled to our opinions of course, but the reason I am coming on strong is because there is a relentless number of posts indicating the worst possible scenario for Brexit, and it is just not true. I am merely pointing out that there is an alternative view which is by no means dystopian, but a venture into a brave new world.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35952261)

Yes, with different arrangements in place to protect the things we value.

The EU way is not the only way.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35952263)

That doesn't mean we will get the worst case scenario, though, does it? C'mon, lighten up! :)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35952274)

Yes, with different arrangements in place to protect the things we value.

Leave means leave Old Boy. You can't be part of things like Galileo if you leave.
Next you'll be telling Germany that they can still win the World Cup. :D

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35952290)

Leave means leave Old Boy. You can't be part of things like Galileo if you leave.

The Galileo thing is just the EU being bloody minded. It is not beyond the wit of those Brussels turds to arrive at a contributory arrangement; or maybe it is beyond their wit because they are intent on punishing us.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35952291)

Using coloured text or coarse adjectives fails to make you correct.
Others have explained the implications of being a third country as have I. You can't have your cake and eat it.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35952294)

Using coloured text or coarse adjectives fails to make you correct.
Others have explained the implications of being a third country as have I. You can't have your cake and eat it.

You can’t hide behind my (valid) coarse description of those unelected gravy train merchants.

A treaty between the UK as a third country and the EU could indeed include Galileo, for example. It is, of course up to the EU. But they are trying to punish us for leaving their sick venture.

Why are you, presumably a Brit, trotting out their line? You might not want Brexi, but now that the democratic decision has been taken, the keast you can do is stand behind that and criticise Brussels for trying to stiff us.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35952294)

Using coloured text or coarse adjectives fails to make you correct.
Others have explained the implications of being a third country as have I. You can't have your cake and eat it.

I actually prefer the blue text and coarse adjectives, Andrew. They are a lot more uplifting than your prophesies of doom!

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35952298)

I'm not hiding behind anything.
Because I don't agree with anyone doesn't mean I have to use coarse language.
Because I've done my research and understand the rules, I don't throw my toys out of the pram everytime someone in the UK makes an impossible request of the EU. We agreed to and contributed to the boundaries as recently as November 2017!
Because I'm a Brit, I've learnt to respect our hardworking civil servants whose analysis Brextremists try and swerve. They give the impression that they would probably rather trust social media sites from St Petersburgh than the Queen's civil service. :(
I respect British business when it patiently explains supply chains and how any kind of Brexit will negatively impact the country. I know respecting business is not popular in the world when populists like Corbyn and Trump are in positions of power but I don't apologise for it.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35952299)

I actually prefer the blue text and coarse adjectives, Andrew. They are a lot more uplifting than your prophesies of doom!

I make no prophecies of doom, Old Boy. I share developments from the news, not from Narnia. :D

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35952299)

I actually prefer the blue text and coarse adjectives, Andrew. They are a lot more uplifting than your prophesies of doom!

Describing the people we want to do business with as "turds" is uplifting? Dear me, you are not in the Cabinet are you? I mean, having 1 petulant child in Government is bad enough, but having more is frightening? :D

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35952298)

You can’t hide behind my (valid) coarse description of those unelected gravy train merchants.

A treaty between the UK as a third country and the EU could indeed include Galileo, for example. It is, of course up to the EU. But they are trying to punish us for leaving their sick venture.

Why are you, presumably a Brit, trotting out their line? You might not want Brexi, but now that the democratic decision has been taken, the keast you can do is stand behind that and criticise Brussels for trying to stiff us.

I really want to know what "Brexi" is? It is either Brexit after too much Veno Callapso or its a whole new option on the table :)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35952274)

That doesn't mean we will get the worst case scenario, though, does it? C'mon, lighten up! :)

OB, you misunderstand. I am not saying we will get the "worst case scenario", I am saying there is no solution on the table as yet. Talking about solutions, I am lightened up, with the help of a modest amount of Scottish medicine. Go Brexi!