Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36047846)

That's generally the attitude I'd expect if all that is claimed were true. England will be better off anyway (allegedly). I'd simply bid Scotland farewell and with them good luck if that were true.

However there's this underlying thing that seems to get the juices going among some British nationalists that it's something for them to massively fear. I'm keen to scratch the surface of it because if it were straightforward economics, and the English national interest, it'd be see you later.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36047851)

Most of the English I know couldn't give two hoots (;)) about Scottish independence. I'm glad I don't move in your circles, they seem a strange lot :p:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36047851)

Most of the English I know couldn't give two hoots (;)) about Scottish independence. I'm glad I don't move in your circles, they seem a strange lot :p:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36047842)

I'm English and I certainly don't fear an independent Scotland. I think they would be foolish to break from the Union but it is not my decision to make.

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36047855)

Should read, are.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36047850)

SNP humiliation as Sturgeon ABANDONS major independence project - report obliterates hopes

THE SNP has ditched plans to publish an "annual economic case for independence", with pro-union campaigners claiming the UK is "more valuable than ever" to Scotland.

The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) publication highlights how much the country raises in taxes compared to how much it spends on public services.

The report showed report showed Scotland’s national deficit was 8.6 percent of GDP in 2019/20, as public spending north of the border outstripped tax revenues by £15.1billion.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...economy-latest

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36047862)

I can’t think of any other country on earth where viewing self-determination as a positive thing would be considered “strange”. It might not be for everyone for historic, ideological or cultural reasons but it’s actually quite normal.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36047874)

It is strange if it is a ruinous ambition.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36047839)

I see GERS also decided that Scotland would pay £3.4bn in military spending. :D

Need to fabricate the figures somehow I guess.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36047874)

It is strange if it is a ruinous ambition.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36047890)

As with Brexit, models suggest that economic performance for Scotland would be worse outside the UK, but not ruinous. And just as with Brexit, some value other, non-economic factors highly...so don't mind taking a hit in their wallets.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36047917)

If I’m certain of anything it’s that, despite UK Government claims, Scotland wouldn’t have the third highest per capita military spending in the world behind the USA and Israel.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36047918)

Can't spend what they haven't got.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36047919)

but . . isn't that exactly what all Governments do? :D


oh, and plenty of households too ;)