Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36211511)

its frustrating once people get off the v6 vm will save money on the tivo license. could get some more benefits then. frustrating people refuse to accept change

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36211537)

If they wanted to they could send everyone a new controller and say that as .....of you will be switched .:erm:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36211545)

The problem is that 360 is substantially different ( worse imho), and wipes all recordings. So they need 'customer buy in' before proceeding otherwise a lot of unhappy punters. If they've agreed to it then they've no comeback. Hence all the constant misleading 'upgrade' coms , and blackmail about missing channels/apps. It's 'entrapment', will you fall for it ? ;)

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36211511)

its frustrating once people get off the v6 vm will save money on the tivo license. could get some more benefits then. frustrating people refuse to accept change

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36211502)

Apparently the majority of VM TV customers are still with V6 with TiVo.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36211545)

The problem is that 360 is substantially different ( worse imho), and wipes all recordings. So they need 'customer buy in' before proceeding otherwise a lot of unhappy punters. If they've agreed to it then they've no comeback. Hence all the constant misleading 'upgrade' coms , and blackmail about missing channels/apps. It's 'entrapment', will you fall for it ? ;)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36211560)

I think that most people don’t worry about changing their services, boxes or appliances until they break down.

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36211511)

its frustrating once people get off the v6 vm will save money on the tivo license. could get some more benefits then. frustrating people refuse to accept change

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36211560)

I think that most people don’t worry about changing their services, boxes or appliances until they break down.

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Whatever new box you transfer to, you will lose your recordings, but you can still see them on demand. That’s what I did when I downloaded my 360 software.

The 360 has advantages that the TiVo doesn’t have, and the TiVo has some that the 360 doesn’t. But for most of us, the disadvantages are not significant at all.

Of course it’s an upgrade. You get the benefit of the things that are genuinely useful and that most people expect or want from modern boxes these days on the 360 (such as voice control and profiles) that are not on TiVo, and the features people used to moan about, such as the lack of a ‘suggestions’ folder have been rectified.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36211560)

I think that most people don’t worry about changing their services, boxes or appliances until they break down.

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Whatever new box you transfer to, you will lose your recordings, but you can still see them on demand. That’s what I did when I downloaded my 360 software.

The 360 has advantages that the TiVo doesn’t have, and the TiVo has some that the 360 doesn’t. But for most of us, the disadvantages are not significant at all.

Of course it’s an upgrade. You get the benefit of the things that are genuinely useful and that most people expect or want from modern boxes these days on the 360 (such as voice control and profiles) that are not on TiVo, and the features people used to moan about, such as the lack of a ‘suggestions’ folder have been rectified.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36211579)

How does it's version of suggestions work? This is one improvement, but the main issues of not being able to record radio (wouldn't be too difficult to add them to the EPG) and the loss of QuickView (don't think this can be TiVo patented as other services have this) are my main gripes about it.

Originally Posted by newapollo (Post 36211581)

The radio stations could easily be added to the EPG, in the same manner as the FAST channels, however you still wouldn't be able to record them as they are streamed.

VM's TV360 and Stream boxes run on the Horizon firmware which was developed by Virgin's parent company Liberty Global for their other European cable operations which ceased carrying radio in a linear format with the onset of the digital switchover almost two decades ago.

The Netherlands (Ziggo) became the first country to switch off its analogue terrestrial television network and completed the digital switchover on 11th December 2006.

The radio stations are streamed via the BBC Sounds app and also via the Radioline app - which are also available on the V6 boxes.

Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36211580)

Quickview is TiVo patent

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36211584)

BT/EE allow streamed TV channels to be recorded, so I don't understand why the same can't be done for radio??

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In that case they could just call it something else (other sites use something similar) as they have done to get Suggestions back.

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36211576)

Change isn’t always better and everyone feels differently about it. That goes for everything in life, not just tech.

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You’ve spoken to most of VM’s TV customers have you OB?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36211589)

Have you? The advantages of having the TiVo compared with the 360 are related to functions that most people don’t use anyway, such as series links and wishlists. Do you really think that the average punter cares at all about those functions?

Most people just want to watch TV.