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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36054067)

Ah, well, I tried.

God loves one

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I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you... ;)

In the world of IT, a user interface is very much like a joke, if you have to explain it, it’s not very good.

Same applies here.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36054081)

God loves one

In the world of IT, a user interface is very much like a joke, if you have to explain it, it’s not very good.

Same applies here.

In fairness Pierre, you'd argue against any restrictions, against all of the science, in the name of saving an economy that is beyond saving.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36054070)

I can't see anyone taking the risk of shovelling thousands of pounds under the bed to save themselves losing a fraction of one per cent on interest rates - if that was passed on to the savings end of the market.

A safety deposit box would be a better option if you can still get one for free.

I've since looked into this a little more. If we do go into negative interest rates, some banks have said that their systems cannot implement it and it doesn't look very good either, so they are more likely to recoup the money by increasing bank charges or reintroducing charges for running our current accounts.

Those with mortgages etc would, in effect, start getting paid for their debt. These payments wouldn't be paid to them, but knocked off the mortgage/loan so that they pay back less than they borrowed.

I wonder if the Government has had a word in the ear of the Bank of England to do this in order that they will be able to get rid of some of the debt that they have racked up?

One of the first things Thatcher did in 1979 was to hike up interest rates. There were lots of complaints from individuals & industry; she retorted by saying that high interest rates are good for some people, namely retired people with savings. It must follow then that if this situation is reversed that the losers would be mainly pensioners, many who traditionally vote Tory.

That's one downside to democracy, in order to stay in power Governments sometimes do what the people want instead of what's the sensible or correct thing to do.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36054083)

In fairness Pierre, you'd argue against any restrictions, against all of the science, in the name of saving an economy that is beyond saving.

So you’ve written off the economy? What’s next then?

In regards to science, there is no science that shows anything other that lockdowns do nothing but delay the spread of the virus, that’s all.

Things are on the up, but still compared to 6 months ago, we’re nowhere near.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

It was predicated, and I posted it on here, that there would be no “second wave” on an equal magnitude to the first, but that there would be an initial wave followed by several Ripples.

This is where we are.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36054088)

You’re overthinking the reality of this.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36054092)

Haha okay Pierre, let’s let the world run free as your ripples develop into tsunamis of deaths.

It’s a shame as I was briefly considering your posts credible but just a nudge or two away from what others thought.

I’m not writing off the economy - the fact it is built upon a hollow core of driving people into population centres that people do not need to be in means it will die. Capitalism 101. If you don’t have a product worth selling nobody will buy. City centre offices and the property developers that stand behind them? Ouch.

And if you had read and understood my posts to Old Boy there has never been a better time to borrow to invest in a new economy. You and Mrs. Pierre can keep your biscuit tin economics to yourselves then.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36054081)

God loves one

In the world of IT, a user interface is very much like a joke, if you have to explain it, it’s not very good.

Same applies here.

Having spent over 40 years in that world, we all know there are some users who just never "get it"...

You can try to make the system "idiot proof", but unfortunately there’s alway a bigger idiot.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36054125)

Having spent over 40 years in that world, we all know there are some users who just never "get it"...

You can try to make the system "idiot proof", but unfortunately there’s alway a bigger idiot.

Yea, that’s why in safety critical systems, we look at ‘Human Factors’ where you design systems to make the wrong choice impossible or, at worst, difficult to the point where the user has to deliberately circumvent clear and obvious controls.

As soon as you give people a choice of options, there is always the chance of them choosing the wrong one...

Ask any SAP Administrator...

Potentially, another politician has put himself above the law - Tony Blair :td:

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More than one coronavirus vaccine will be available in the first quarter of 2021, a government scientific adviser has told Sky News.
Sir Jeremy Farrar, who sits on the SAGE committee, said: "I think in the first quarter of next year we will have vaccines - will have more than one vaccine."

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-says-12107285

I think that's wishful thinking seeing as we don't have vaccines for MERS or SARS, both corona viri, after 15-20 years.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36054213)

I think that's wishful thinking seeing as we don't have vaccines for MERS or SARS, both corona viri, after 15-20 years.

That's mainly down to how many people are looking for one and why one was or is needed

https://theconversation.com/the-myst...e-other-137583

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What about a SARS vaccine? Vaccine studies for SARS-CoV-1 were started and tested in animal models. An inactivated whole virus was used in ferrets, nonhuman primates and mice. All of the vaccines resulted in protective immunity, but there were complications; the vaccines resulted in an immune disease in animals. No human studies were done, nor were the vaccine studies taken further because the virus disappeared. Many factors were involved in the end of SARS-CoV-1, perhaps including summer weather, and certainly strict quarantine of all those who had contact with infected individuals, but we don’t really know why the epidemic ended. Viruses are like that, unpredictable!

Mers is different and work is still going for that but has less funding and focus worldwide.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2019-12-19...s-saudi-arabia

Also the work that was done for those is helping now

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine

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Previous work to develop a vaccine against the coronavirus diseases SARS and MERS established knowledge about the structure and function of coronaviruses – which accelerated development during early 2020 of varied technology platforms for a COVID‑19 vaccine.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36054213)

I think that's wishful thinking seeing as we don't have vaccines for MERS or SARS, both corona viri, after 15-20 years.

Hi credentials are of the highest. Why would he put his reputation at risk by saying something he doesn't believe in? It wouldn't make sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Farrar

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36054215)

Hi credentials are of the highest. Why would he put his reputation at risk by saying something he doesn't believe in? It wouldn't make sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Farrar

Does he have shares in one of the vaccine companies.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36054217)

Does he have shares in one of the vaccine companies.

I'll leave that research project in your capable hands. But I suspect that journalists may have checked this out already.