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:clap:

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You should get your own show.

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Make sure it's on when i'm asleep in bed.

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How terrible the world must be for you ... :p:

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Are you denying that these “observers” or participants are part of the Establishment?

It’s best not to demonstrate complete ignorance when your argument is already on shaky ground.

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As you have only responded to the second part of my post do I take it you are accepting the first part? Oh and just to point out that the people who determined the proroguing was unlawful were, by definition, on the "Crown's coin" and, therefore, by your argument "Establishment stooges" so should we ignore their part in the process?

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I addressed the illegal/unlawful point earlier - the fact is the Queen couldn’t seek her own legal advice or make her own judgement making her ineffective.

I don’t think the Government are blameless, indeed they deserve most of the blame for that farce.

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Ok, a former Labour MP. I hope that clarification helps.:rolleyes:

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Take a cold shower, jfman. I was responding to the point made in your own post. :D

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Exactly how high a level of education do you need to work that out, jfman? What an arrogant point of view you have towards Labour voting leavers!

One can only assume they were who you were referring to.

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You only think the article is balanced because it meets with your mindset. I was drawing attention to a certain part of that article to show that the point I had been making was valid. Strange that you are so blind to that that you appear to have 'unseen' it.

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You seem quite happy for remainers to trot out this nonsense, but when leavers send out their consistent responses, you moan about it. If you don't want to hear this response over and over then tell your mates to stop making the same points over and over. The answer won't change the more times you make erroneous statements.

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Yes, a hung Parliament in perpetuity. Now wouldn't you just like that! :rolleyes:

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Obviously the view of highly qualified remain supporting statisticians.

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No, it would satisfy nobody. Have you not heard the frustration of the people of having to endure this Parliamentary pergatory for the last few years? That is definitely not what people want. That would only play into the hands of anarchists.

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I think the Queen is far more educated in terms of constitutional matters than most presidents. I would remind you that the legal advice was endorsed by the Attorney General. Why should she not accept it?

The core of the problem was that a biased Speaker who showed clearly that he would do all he could to sabotage Brexit simply manipulated the rules of Parliament and caused a Constitutional crisis.

Fortunately, in the new Parliament we will have a more traditional Speaker whom both sides can respect.

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Illegal: forbidden by law.
Unlawful: not authorised by law.

If you’re going to play lawyers, do try to get your basic facts right. The Supreme Court ruled the advice unlawful, not illegal. There is more than a trivial difference between the two.

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It is not the Queen’s role to seek advice from any other source. Her constitutional role is to receive advice from ministers. That is what ministers are for.

You can’t judge someone ineffective for not doing something they are neither permitted nor expected to do. You might as well declare your car ineffective because it doesn’t float.

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Could we wait for him to try floating it first?:D

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Which “Observers” are you referring to?

Which “Establishment” are you referring to?

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The world is great for me, how are you doing?

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The queen didn’t need any legal advice, as when the PM requested her to prorogue Parliament there was no reason for her to decline the request.

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Oh please.

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Let's make this very clear shall we? You blame the 10 years of austerity on Labour. You do not accept the real cause. You constantly peddle the free market dream world in denial of the facts.

Your "point" is to perpetuate the lie that free market capitalism is the answer when everyone can see that this ship has sailed, hit the iceberg and all we see is you rearranging the deckchairs ...

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I feel the point here is that the Head of State should, with appropriate help, be in a position to validate the "advice" received from the Executive. If not, then what value does this individual contribute in terms of Government?

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The Queen is entitled to be consulted and to offer words of advice. Beyond that she contributes little to government, which is as it should be. The wearer of the crown is not elected so should not exercise executive power.

The point of the Crown in our constitution is that it is where power is located. That power cannot be exercised by the person wearing the crown, because they are constitutionally restricted from doing so, and it cannot be appropriated by legislators who must swear allegiance to it as a condition of office. It cannot be taken by revolution because nobody can wear it but the legitimate heir.

Now we could junk all of this and opt for a republic with an executive presidency, with powers delineated by a written constitution, but that is no guarantee of better government or decision making. In fact our own Supreme Court, operating with years of precedent and Acts of Parliament (or lack of, hence “unlawful”, not “illegal” in the case of prorogation), dealt with that issue rather more quickly than the Americans are presently dealing with the potential impeachment of Donald Trump, and all the while the United States has a head of state that is a divisive political figure rather than a symbol of unity.

If we were setting up a country from scratch today, it’s highly unlikely we would create a constitutional monarchy. But the point is, we aren’t creating a country from scratch, we’re living in one whose democracy and institutions have remained stable for longer than just about anywhere else in the world, and much of that sense of stability, continuity and unity is symbolised by the Crown. Asking whether the Queen should involve herself in government more directly appears trivial by comparison.

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Now you are just re-writing history. Even Labour had to admit the money had run out.

As for 'free market capitalism', what do you propose instead? Communism doesn't work. The system that works best is a mixed economy, which is what we have.

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I'm stood on a delayed 1970s overcrowded, overpriced, failed heating train this morning, going nowhere slowly. One of many areas where the private sector has failed us (they of course, are doing quite well out of it !)

The economy isn't working well, and will be worse if those self centered idiots get another 5 years. Borrowing not seen since the 1970s is planned by this Govt., sublime to the ridiculous... Austerity was for nothing, has caused huge uneeded damage and solved nothing.