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pip08456 03-02-2018 14:42
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935312)
I'm not a lawyer and even if I was I wouldn't know the inner workings of FISA courts but according the the CBS link above it doesn't allege a federal crime. Maybe it's not illegal to omit things in warrant applications just bad behaviour?

All this is also if we're taking the Republicans at their word that the memo doesn't exclude anything. If, for example, the warrant contained other information then the circumstances might change.
As it is now common knowledge that the FISA application was based on the Steele dossier then we are talking about mass bad behaviour or an orchestrated campaign.

Once the FBI had conducted all it's checks and balances the application is then passed to the DOJ.

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The FISA application then travels to the Justice Department where attorneys from the National Security Division comb through the application to verify all the assertions made in it. Known as “Woods procedures” after Michael J. Woods, the FBI Special Agent attorney who developed this layer of approval, DOJ verifies the accuracy of every fact stated in the application. If anything looks unsubstantiated, the application is sent back to the FBI to provide additional evidentiary support – this game of bureaucratic chutes and ladders continues until DOJ is satisfied that the facts in the FISA application can both be corroborated and meet the legal standards for the court. After getting sign-off from a senior DOJ official (finally!), a lawyer from DOJ takes the FISA application before the FISC, comprised of eleven federal district judges who sit on the court on a rotating basis. The FISC reviews the application in secret, and decides whether to approve the warrant.
The Steele dossier is unverified and uncorroborated and formed the basis for the FISA application.

Link

Mick 03-02-2018 14:48
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Great info Pip.

You have to remember, James Comey testified under Oath, in June 2017, that the information in the dossier was 'Salacious and unverified', yet when he was the Director, he signed off those FISA Applications, or at least a number of them, as per the information released in the Memo, yesterday. That puts James Comey in serious legal peril and that is just this, he also leaked Classified Memo's to his Professor friend who then leaked it to the New York Times.

pip08456 03-02-2018 14:57
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935364)
Great info Pip.

You have to remember, James Comey testified under Oath, in June 2017, that the information in the dossier was 'Salacious and unverified', yet when he was the Director, he signed off those FISA Applications, or at least a number of them, as per the information released in the Memo, yesterday. That puts James Comey in serious legal peril and that is just this, he also leaked Classified Memo's to his Professor friend who then leaked it to the New York Times.
I still don't like Trump.;)

Mick 03-02-2018 15:17
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35935365)
I still don't like Trump.;)
This whole coup thing is not about the personality or the individual but the office of Presidency.

There appears to have been some effort to undermine it to some tune, whether people like or dislike the person or what they stand for, they were duly elected to that office and because of strong political bias in a top law enforcement agency, that is a serious threat to democracy.

pip08456 03-02-2018 15:53
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935366)
This whole coup thing is not about the personality or the individual but the office of Presidency.

There appears to have been some effort to undermine it to some tune, whether people like or dislike the person or what they stand for, they were duly elected to that office and because of strong political bias in a top law enforcement agency, that is a serious threat to democracy.
Can't disagree with that.

Hugh 03-02-2018 19:54
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Whilst we are on the subject of self-serving statements with little basis in reality, I found this amusing - Trump at the Republican away day, repeating what he says Orrin Hatch said to him.

https://metro.co.uk/video/trump-clai.../?ito=vjs-link

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Where's Orrin? Orrin?

Orrin is, I love listening to him speak.

He said once I am the single greatest president in his lifetime, now he’s a young man, so it’s not that much.

He actually once said I’m the greatest president in the history of our country.

I said, does that include Lincoln and Washington? He said yes.”

I said, I love this guy; I love him.
Unfortunately...
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A spokesman for Hatch, Matt Whitlock, later told TheWrap: “Senator Hatch has said that he would like to work with the President to make this the greatest presidency in history for the American people.”

We asked: So he did not call him the greatest, as of now?

“No he did not,” Hatch’s spokesman said.
https://www.thewrap.com/trump-says-o...s-orrin-hatch/

Mick 03-02-2018 20:31
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And still after all that irrelevant bullshit, Hillary still lied under Oath... where is her indictment dear Hugh?

Mr K 03-02-2018 20:36
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935396)
And still after all that irrelevant bullshit, Hillary still lied under Oath... where is her indictment dear Hugh?
Don't think Hugh is in charge of indictments in the US. However the Trumpster promised to put her behind bars, another failure...
( Trump has lied about his wig, but I forgive him :D )

Arthurgray50@blu 03-02-2018 20:41
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Trump has covered all his tracks. And if people, when watching Trump speak all his crap. He speaks ONLY about himself. What has achieved.

What a load of tosh. His people are suffering and so is the World is listening.

I am certain that when Trump does come to London. There will be a 1 mile road closure around where he will be going.

It was said that Trump does not fear protestors. In that case, he shouldn't come to London then

Mick 03-02-2018 21:13
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35935401)
Trump has covered all his tracks. And if people, when watching Trump speak all his crap. He speaks ONLY about himself. What has achieved.

What a load of tosh. His people are suffering and so is the World is listening.
People are suffering, in what way?

Employment and the economy is booming, and millions of workers are getting thousand dollar bonuses due to the recent tax cut law changes, how are people suffering, please explain that one for me because I’m struggling....?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35935398)
Don't think Hugh is in charge of indictments in the US. However the Trumpster promised to put her behind bars, another failure...
( Trump has lied about his wig, but I forgive him :D )
But since Hugh keeps bringing up Trumps apparent lying all the time, let’s just remember Hillary is a serial liar, and had she, heaven forbid, won the presidency, we'd be none the wiser of these huge FBI scandals and FISA abuses under the Obama Administration.

But just to correct you again...Trump made no such promise, he said he would look in to getting a special prosecutor to look in to her situation. He initially decided against doing that, as that would have aggravated the ‘I’m with her base’.

It could still happen, there are Investigations being done. The Inspector General is looking at all this, given the shoddy FBI investigation by a rogue agent, it may spark a second special prosecutor in the near future.

Mr Banana 03-02-2018 22:14
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935406)
People are suffering, in what way?

Employment and the economy is booming, and millions of workers are getting thousand dollar bonuses due to the recent tax cut law changes, how are people suffering, please explain that one for me because I’m struggling....?

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But since Hugh keeps bringing up Trumps apparent lying all the time, let’s just remember Hillary is a serial liar, and had she, heaven forbid, won the presidency, we'd be none the wiser of these huge FBI scandals and FISA abuses under the Obama Administration.

But just to correct you again...Trump made no such promise, he said he would look in to getting a special prosecutor to look in to her situation. He initially decided against doing that, as that would have aggravated the ‘I’m with her base’.

It could still happen, there are Investigations being done. The Inspector General is looking at all this, given the shoddy FBI investigation by a rogue agent, it may spark a second special prosecutor in the near future.
Well if you have Fox news tattooed on your arse cheek you will probably believe everything Trump says, however there is an increase in unemployment in certain sectors but probably the areas that Trump is not interested in.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

passingbat 03-02-2018 23:03
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35935401)
Trump has covered all his tracks. And if people, when watching Trump speak all his crap. He speaks ONLY about himself. What has achieved.

How many full Trump speeches have you watched Arthur? I mean the full ones, not the BBC, potentially selectively edited ones.

Mick 03-02-2018 23:58
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35935420)
Well if you have Fox news tattooed on your arse cheek you will probably believe everything Trump says, however there is an increase in unemployment in certain sectors but probably the areas that Trump is not interested in.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
I don’t watch Fox News, you are another one who posts stuff because your hatred seriously clouds your judgement.

Go read here: http://uk.businessinsider.com/ap-us-...8-years-2018-2

1andrew1 04-02-2018 00:32
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935434)
I don’t watch Fox News, you are another one who posts stuff because your hatred seriously clouds your judgement.

Go read here: http://uk.businessinsider.com/ap-us-...8-years-2018-2
It's hard to argue that the economy isn't doing well, though how much of that is due to Obama's legacy and how much is due to Trump is a moot point. Certainly, the bonuses appear to be linked to Trump's tax cuts though there is an argument as to how sustainable those cuts are in the long term.

Mick 04-02-2018 02:11
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I had to laugh at this recent video and it just highlights the Trump syndrome/hysteria effect that people have.

Students Hate Trump's SOTU Quotes...Until Finding Out They're Actually Obama's


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