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i do think the isp of this country should pull there socks up quickly before we get left behind, we are already way behind in broadband with the rest of the world,
h20 are doing 100mb broadband in Bournemouth, Northampton and Dundee and thats through standard line, (( with fibre optic put from exchange somewhere ))
comapny called geo lease there fibre optic lines to tiscali and a few other isp's
none of these isp cap your bandwidth ??
so what would you go for ? a service thats capped or a service thats not capped ?
its only a matter of time before we have that choice :)

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That is correct. But such authorisation shall not be granted unless...

(a) it is in the interests of national security;

(b) it is for the purpose of preventing or detecting serious crime;

(c) it is for the purpose of safeguarding the economic well-being of the United Kingdom; or

(d) it is for the purpose, in circumstances appearing to the Secretary of State to be equivalent to those in which he would issue a warrant by virtue of giving effect to the provisions of any international mutual assistance agreement.

I don't think that interception of communications for the purpose of Application Throttling/Management falls under any of those.

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(b) it is for the purpose of preventing or detecting serious crime;

That will be that Girls Aloud cd i downloaded last week then...............

[actually that might be classed as a crime :) ]

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the official spec for the real minimum 4 channels Docsis3 kit as apposed to the old
pre-DS3/DS2.0b that its based on is
upto 160Mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120Mbps
thats the Minimum Spec for Docsis 3.0 using the mandated basic 4 bonded channels in case you didnt know.

the official full spec for the final can use upto 125 bonded channels thats 5Gbit/s download and 3.75Gbit/s upload max total.

that OC is if some vendors decide to make and meet the units to this 125 bonded channels in the far future, but OC your going to need far better than the current end user 1 gigabit Ethernet cards to take advantage of that kind of speed by then.

the old http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34521967 thread has lots of interesting information and links if your interested.

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Which is all fine and dandy if you've got the backhaul to support it.

I.e you could give every end user 160Mbit but it's going to be useless if there's only say 200mbit backhaul for the area.

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thats what that old http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34513039-post56.html
VM April 2nd 2007 announcement was supposed to be all about.

"In addition to supporting all of its own broadband customers, Virgin Media also leases capacity on its core network to several of the UK’s leading ISPs, so the Juniper Networks T-series will be supporting an expansive network capable of delivering Internet-based communications services to more
than 12 million UK homes (more than 50 percent of the total households in the UK), and 85 percent of UK businesses.

“Service reliability, throughput speed and scalable capacity are the main criteria that will enable a successful roll-out of next-generation network services in both the immediate future and in the long term,” said Rob Sim, Head of Network Architecture at Virgin Media.

“We wanted to put support for 40G in place now, and both the T640 and TX Matrix platforms from Juniper enable us to support 40G as soon as needed.

Also, as the capacity demands on our network grow, we can easily upgrade the T640 to TX Matrix as required, whilst maintaining both operational and service consistency without an operating system change.”

"
opp thats should be upto 160Mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120Mbps Megabits not mibibits

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I like how you underlined Upto.

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All very true but it should be mentioned that a 125 tuner modem is way out of reach at the moment, and a 3.75Gbit/s upload even with the tuners in place is just not feasible on cable networks at the moment.

VM have at absolute most 60MHz of bandwidth on the upstream and in a lot of areas less than 40, in some 25 which is nowhere near enough for 1Gbit let alone 3.75 assuming that the entire bandwidth there is useful, which it likely won't be, and that there's nothing else running on it.

The numbers are great to look at but we won't be seeing networks with that kind of downstream for a considerable time, if ever, upstream, well, no comment. It would require a lot of investment in the access network which is something VM have a bit of an allergy to going by their network overbuild spend thusfar, less than 1/5th of some companies.

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Some of the world for sure.

It's fibre to the home not standard lines, the fibre is right to your home and is a work in progress, not complete. Not sure if they've even started building yet.

That is only core network fibre, doesn't really relate to the service at your home, and Tiscali throttle like hell ;)

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my point was that vm will not be the only ones that can offer super speed broadband,
fair enough it will take time but it will come eventually,

what i would like to know is how many will be taking the 50mb package when it comes out, bearing in mind with all this throttling it wont take long to go from 50mb to what ever they set the capping at.

50mb sounds impressive but i would rather have my 20mb with no throttling

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Yu dnt even need 20MB i only know about 6 server worldwide that can handle the speed so oyu can use the connection to full. Most barely support 10MB if they provide 10MB with no throttling and alsightly higher uplaod that be perfect i say

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All the http servers i use i can pretty much max out at 50-60Mbit, premium http i can easily do 100Mbit.

Most sites can provide 10+Mbit just fine.

Giganews can pump out much more than 100Mbit as well ;)

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Majority of servers can pump out at very high rates but not many can maintain them. Hay even virgin own gamefiles which is on gigabit can only maintain 1.5Mb/s but can reach 20Mb/s ;) only know that cause i was lucky to have access to a oc connection one day ;)

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I have decided if VM do bring this in when I move (not sure where thats is) I will be gone and wont use the service rather give Sky my money

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I can pull files from virginmedia at around 9MB/s (tried ubuntu download).

Everyone i've tried can maintain them, ironically the only one that cant seems to be microsoft which seems to vary alot.

What sort of OC connection ;)

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What do you mean, IF? the hardware is already there and enabled, technically its already been brought in!

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What you mean sort of OC connection, connection type or speed? or something else.

Do you know what is weird when i done it on the OC connection ot microsoft it maintain 14Mb/s but when i tried ubutnu it Maintain 1Mb/s oh well guess traffic was bad at the times we tried each site, guess i am wrong maybe majority can handle it