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homealone 28-04-2004 23:04
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Originally Posted by Mauldor
Not sure on these Billions of replies if this has been mentioned but how much you pay is all compared to what is around you at the time. I remember paying for Dial up + Call Costs (wayyy back) then ISDN from thos lovelry BT people and then Call Charges on top of that - whey hey ...

I paid £50 a month for 1 mbit from NTL when it first come out, people where paying bags of dosh every month for 2mbit/256 were they not - mainly as the lower contention ratio....

I still say what NTL should do is split there product up even more - so you could have say 5-6 of them. People can then choose to pay for what they deem they want to use. You need 2 'Lite' Packages - this has a Proper CAP imposed but the price is well low (maybe they can check ADSL prices to pitch this in at) and include no email, no newsgroups etc.

Next up is the 'Home' User lets call it - no caps - email and limited news support. Maybe add some proper email space while there at it (PHP etc).

Lastly would be the 'power' user - 1mbit / 1.5mbit / 2mbit - fixed Ip, Full News Servers, Proper email (that actually works) and decent web space.

Now all you gotta do (not sure if this is possible like) is bunch the people together like - so a heavy user does not effect a normal user in any way.

I do like Erol little toliet thing - made me laugh that did :LOL:
some good points there. :tu:

- I doubt NTL would be able to run a properly managed webspace with php, mysql, etc? There are people with those skills employed by NTL, but not many of them 'customer facing', I bet :pp

- my suggested structure would be -

lite - 300k down 64k up - include email, but no news or webspace.

home - 750k down 128k up - include email & either news or webspace (html)

home plus - 750 down 256 up - include email & either news or webspace (html)

options - 1.5 meg down, news and webspace - maybe a deal with a 3rd party host for a server side enabled solution?

erol 29-04-2004 00:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauldor
I do like Erol little toliet thing - made me laugh that did :LOL:
Thanks. I am glad someone enjoyed it.

Hopefully the analogy also highlights the idea that a heavy exacuator (heavy user) can only ever be causing one bowls worth (one users worth) of congestion and never any more than that and that anytime you are on a bowl and all the other bowls are also in use, you are causing one bowls worth of congestion, along with all the others, regardless of how little you may have been using the toilet before and regrdless of how little volume you may have exacuated before or on average. The idea that one user (no matter how much volume they evacuate) can cause more than one bowls worth of congestion is just not correct - but widely believed to be the case (in the idea that 3% of users account for 60% + of congestion for example).

ian@huth 29-04-2004 00:36
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Originally Posted by erol
Thanks. I am glad someone enjoyed it.

Hopefully the analogy also highlights the idea that a heavy exacuator (heavy user) can only ever be causing one bowls worth (one users worth) of congestion and never any more than that and that anytime you are on a bowl and all the other bowls are also in use, you are causing one bowls worth of congestion, along with all the others, regardless of how little you may have been using the toilet before and regrdless of how little volume you may have exacuated before or on average. The idea that one user (no matter how much volume they evacuate) can cause more than one bowls worth of congestion is just not correct - but widely believed to be the case (in the idea that 3% of users account for 60% + of congestion for example).
Have you never seen a toilet that has had so much flushed down it by one person that it completely blocks the sewer pipe serving dozens of toilets?

A very novel and extremely amusing analogy though. :D :D :D

DeadKenny 29-04-2004 00:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by homealone
- my suggested structure would be -

lite - 300k down 64k up - include email, but no news or webspace.

home - 750k down 128k up - include email & either news or webspace (html)

home plus - 750 down 256 up - include email & either news or webspace (html)

options - 1.5 meg down, news and webspace - maybe a deal with a 3rd party host for a server side enabled solution?

I'd also include options with no email, news or webspace for those of us who want to provide that ourselves (through other services, or running our own servers). That would cut costs too.

There's the thought of PAYG broadband, but I'd rather have some kind of configurable package system where you can add on incrementally downstream and upstream, and then bolt on services like email, webspace, etc. This is the kind of billing system that mobile phone operators have been moving too, but the major cost for NTL would be in introducing a new billing system to cope with it (and an easy to use customer facing means of configuring these).

lincsat 30-04-2004 02:00
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Originally Posted by Mimizuku no Lew
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†¦this can get sorted out then online TV would be a viable option but I can't see it right now

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I've noticed I get a better, more consistant connection from MLB.TV if I use MS Media player instead of Real Player, although the picture quality is significantly better using Real player.

Lew 30-04-2004 10:29
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I also use WiMP, but there are still times when the sound and picture drop out. If I bring up the "Statistics" window I can see that the 350K stream drops down to less than 100K when this happens. Like I said though, I also get the same problem with internet radio feeds, both international and local.

OL1V3R 30-04-2004 18:31
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For all you people wondering, I asked NTL if the upload speeds will be chaning along side the download speed, they said they they are not sure what the speeds will be, but they are being changed. *hopes for a faster upload*

paulyoung666 30-04-2004 18:33
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Originally Posted by OL1V3R
For all you people wondering, I asked NTL if the upload speeds will be chaning along side the download speed, they said they they are not sure what the speeds will be, but they are being changed. *hopes for a faster upload*

hi and :welcome: to the site , i hope your source is right :erm:

etccarmageddon 30-04-2004 18:37
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it's harder for them to increase the upload speed because the technology they use will probably have proplems handling any significant global upload speed increases.

Chris W 30-04-2004 19:11
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Originally Posted by OL1V3R
For all you people wondering, I asked NTL if the upload speeds will be chaning along side the download speed, they said they they are not sure what the speeds will be, but they are being changed. *hopes for a faster upload*
was it t/s or c/s that you were speaking to when you heard this?

Charlie_Bubble 30-04-2004 19:20
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Originally Posted by DeadKenny
I'd also include options with no email, news or webspace for those of us who want to provide that ourselves (through other services, or running our own servers). That would cut costs too.
Haven't you got that already with NTL, flaky email servers, naff all newsgroup servers and webspace that has none of the new jazzy technologies that many other ISPs allow. Don't see any cuts in cost though! :)

paulyoung666 30-04-2004 19:20
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Originally Posted by monkeybreath
was it t/s or c/s that you were speaking to when you heard this?

probably c.s. :erm:

Chrysalis 30-04-2004 20:03
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seems telewest users already seeing their new speeds.

paulyoung666 30-04-2004 20:31
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
seems telewest users already seeing their new speeds.


where did you get that from , link please :)

Juan 30-04-2004 23:11
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So when do ntl customers get their speed increases, there's nothing on the ntlworld site about it.

I'm still thinking of getting BT 576k ADSL for £19, trouble is my aerial signal is rubbish 4 the TV!


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