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1andrew1 16-09-2026 08:02
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36222397)
And Hugh did at least answer the question (quite well too) about what Farage is probably going to do with the cash
Hugh gave a very good answer.

Hugh 16-09-2026 10:27
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Normal service resumes…;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1789554393

papa smurf 16-09-2026 10:57
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would anyone like a sour grape:rolleyes:

1andrew1 16-09-2026 12:12
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222401)
would anyone like a sour grape:rolleyes:
Are you sourcing them from the same turquoise blue website that sells 'playing the victim' scripts? ;)

Carth 16-09-2026 14:57
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222400)
Pretty sure that 'parody' just means someone is taking the pee, but yes that's probably quite normal for social media ;)

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36222405)
Are you sourcing them from the same turquoise blue website that sells 'playing the victim' scripts? ;)
I thought they were only available for Remain voters?

Hugh 16-09-2026 15:06
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36222414)
Pretty sure that 'parody' just means someone is taking the pee, but yes that's probably quite normal for social media ;)
John 8:7

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I thought they were only available for Remain voters?
No, unfortunately Leave voters bulk-purchased them all when they didn’t get the outcome they were promised by those who had no plan to deliver… ;)

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We had no plans for government, no plans for negotiations, because it was not our job

Itshim 16-09-2026 15:47
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222387)
It’s no big deal. There was no public outrage when Liberal Democrat Cameron Thomas was arrested on suspicion of assault and controlling and coercive behaviour last June. Or any of the others over the years.

Even when John Prescott punched that guy on the High Street all those years ago, Tony Blair didn’t think it was a big deal.

“John is John!” he said, blithely and with a big grin on his face.

But when it’s a Reform UK politician, people tear down walls in the rush to condemn them and their party. It’s pathetic, really, isn’t it?
Made no comment about either of these things , however in this case I feel the ms should resign, in Wales the vote was for the party not the candidate.

OLD BOY 16-09-2026 16:40
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222379)
Yes, you’re right - getting money from Unions who gather it from millions of individual workers who all reside and pay tax in this country and who have opted-in to make a contribution to a Political Fund is almost exactly the same as receiving tens of millions of funding from money-laundering billionaires who decided to live overseas to avoid paying tax…
Actually, the two donating millionaires are British citizens, they have the right to vote and they are living in this country, paying their taxes.

Many union members don’t even realise that some of their money is being used to go to Labour. There was a news item about this on the Beeb a few days ago.

In any case, this is just a blatant attempt by Labour to prevent the newcomer that is Reform UK from competing on the same footing as them. I think most people can see through this.

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Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 36222384)
That’s the second leader Reform have lost in the Senedd, after their Russian asset Nathan Gill was jailed.
You talk as if only Reform UK has this sort of problem! It happens a lot to other parties, but they don’t get the same kind of publicity as Reform get, which is then used to try to make them sound irrelevant.

Damien 16-09-2026 17:36
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We should limit political donations, including to Labour. And our politicians shouldn't take money that could influence them. Be that Starmer getting free clothes and concert tickets or Farage getting £5 million.

It's inviting corruption and, once again, it's not in our interests to have political parties or politicians owing something to those who have all the money. A crypto-billionaire is not nessaily concerned with how the other 99% of us live.

jem 16-09-2026 18:05
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36222427)
We should limit political donations, including to Labour. And our politicians shouldn't take money that could influence them. Be that Starmer getting free clothes and concert tickets or Farage getting £5 million.

It's inviting corruption and, once again, it's not in our interests to have political parties or politicians owing something to those who have all the money. A crypto-billionaire is not nessaily concerned with how the other 99% of us live.
I do get the reasoning behind your post, but the practicalities and unintended consequences are quite a problem.

"We should limit political donations....."

Limit the amount of a single donation or the total that can be donated to a party?

"And our politicians shouldn't take money that could influence them."

Well yes of course not, but how can you prove that a particular donation influenced them?

"it's not in our interests to have political parties or politicians owing something to those who have all the money. A crypto-billionaire is not nessaily [sic] concerned with how the other 99% of us live."

Absolutely true, but how to guard against this? I think that the current system of making all gifts to politicians or parties, disclosable, in a register that is freely available to all voters, is the fairest solution. Everyone is free to donate as much as they want to whoever they want, but it's open, everyone can find out about it. Let the electorate decide if they think that the politician was bought, and vote accordingly.

Damien 16-09-2026 18:16
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36222430)
I do get the reasoning behind your post, but the practicalities and unintended consequences are quite a problem.

"We should limit political donations....."

Limit the amount of a single donation or the total that can be donated to a party?
Up for either. Certainly the first one. I don't really have a problem if a party has a lot of small donations because they're not in hock to any single one of them, but you need to make sure it's not open to abuse. There is already a limit on how much you can spend in an election as well.

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"And our politicians shouldn't take money that could influence them."



Well yes of course not, but how can you prove that a particular donation influenced them?
You can't, so I think the 'gifts' they are legally allowed to get should be very limited.

Maybe pay them more, but no 2nd jobs unless it's in the public sector (doctors need to practice to maintain their licence, for example), and no personal donations. Not even the fee for being on Have I Got News For You, that has to go to charity.

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Absolutely true, but how to guard against this? I think that the current system of making all gifts to politicians or parties, disclosable, in a register that is freely available to all voters, is the fairest solution. Everyone is free to donate as much as they want to whoever they want, but it's open, everyone can find out about it. Let the electorate decide if they think that the politician was bought, and vote accordingly.
As I said, you just ban it. There is certainly no good reason to allow politicians to get expensive personal donations as gifts; I doubt they were getting them for being great guys.

They're public servants; they should be paid by the public. If they don't like it and would rather be rich then being in charge of the laws that govern us isn't for them.

I'll admit I don't care too much about the small-ticket items. Not going to lose sleep if someone wants to buy Farage a Wimbledon ticket or some whiskey, but getting millions of pounds is a joke; how is that not dodgy?

Hugh 16-09-2026 19:29
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222421)
Actually, the two donating millionaires are British citizens, they have the right to vote and they are living in this country, paying their taxes.

Many union members don’t even realise that some of their money is being used to go to Labour. There was a news item about this on the Beeb a few days ago.

In any case, this is just a blatant attempt by Labour to prevent the newcomer that is Reform UK from competing on the same footing as them. I think most people can see through this.

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You talk as if only Reform UK has this sort of problem! It happens a lot to other parties, but they don’t get the same kind of publicity as Reform get, which is then used to try to make them sound irrelevant.
Recently living in this country…

https://www.thetimes.com/article/92b...0bf4633b2c5f9a

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Reform UK’s biggest donor, Christopher Harborne, a cryptocurrency billionaire based in Thailand, has criticised the proposed £100,000 cap, claiming he was “the reason” for the policy. He said he would legally challenge any ban on foreign donations over £100,000.

Harborne, 63, who moved from Britain to Thailand in the 1990s and took citizenship there in 2011, has donated £15 million to Reform since 2025 while living abroad. He flew back to the UK to restore his name to the electoral roll in Hampshire in June.

Another Reform donor, Ben Delo, who is also a cryptocurrency billionaire, has given £4 million to the party this year. Delo, 42, had been living in Hong Kong until this year but said in April that he was moving back to the UK to circumvent the cap on donations from Britons living abroad.

papa smurf 16-09-2026 19:34
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
where was all the moaning about donations before reform scooped the jackpot

Mr K 16-09-2026 19:51
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222439)
where was all the moaning about donations before reform scooped the jackpot
It was already a concern hence the legislation that was already underway.

Afraid Nige is going to have to give the foreign crypto cash back. He'll have to rely on his personal charm. Good luck. He'll have the amphibian vote, looks more like Kermit every day. Not like Andy, who is coolio :)

Hugh 16-09-2026 19:56
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222439)
where was all the moaning about donations before reform scooped the jackpot
Well, the Representation of the People Bill currently going through the Lords was introduced in February 2026, before Reform’s major donors decided to move back to the UK after decades of living abroad to avoid paying taxes, to fund the Party that has promised to change the laws that would directly benefit those donors by hundreds of millions each year, and the limitation of donors (ban crypto-asset political donations, caps overseas elector donations at £100,000, and shifts company donation testing from revenue to profit) was part of that Bill…

papa smurf 16-09-2026 20:00
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222441)
Well, the Representation of the People Bill currently going through the Lords was introduced in February 2026, before Reform’s major donors decided to move back to the UK after decades of living abroad to avoid paying taxes, to fund the Party that has promised to change the laws that would directly benefit those donors by hundreds of millions each year, and the limitation of donors (ban crypto-asset political donations, caps overseas elector donations at £100,000, and shifts company donation testing from revenue to profit) was part of that Bill…
so not a law yet then

Hugh 16-09-2026 20:18
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222439)
where was all the moaning about donations before reform scooped the jackpot
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222442)
so not a law yet then
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2026/09/4.gif

jem 16-09-2026 20:20
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222442)
so not a law yet then
No but it seems that this possibility was recognised back in February. It generally takes a long time for new laws to be enacted - for good reasons.

Hugh 16-09-2026 20:23
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36222444)
No but it seems that this possibility was recognised back in February. It generally takes a long time for new laws to be enacted - for good reasons.
And it was announced in the HoC on the 25th March (before any of the crypto-squad donations) that it would be retrospective to that date…

Carth 16-09-2026 23:30
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Ban the whole lot for me, as mentioned earlier it just opens up the doors for possible corruption, of which there's already enough of with the 2 or 3 'houses/offices' required and half the family being paid as 'staff'.

Oh, and if Andy 'the man' Burnham gets his way with the No,10 in Manchester idea, wait for the pleas for extra dosh due to the security and the overnight accommodation (which definitely won't be in a B&B or cheapo travel lodge)

papa smurf 17-09-2026 06:13
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222445)
And it was announced in the HoC on the 25th March (before any of the crypto-squad donations) that it would be retrospective to that date…
if that were to happen would it mean reform/farage committed a criminal offence

Itshim 17-09-2026 10:37
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222455)
if that were to happen would it mean reform/farage committed a criminal offence
Isn't law yet , so your premis would depend on what they do once it is.

papa smurf 17-09-2026 11:00
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36222464)
Isn't law yet , so your premis would depend on what they do once it is.
my premise would be it's already spent

Hugh 17-09-2026 11:28
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222466)
my premise would be it's already spent
Well, if an General Election was called any time within the next 365 days, they’d be screwed, as they would not be allowed to spend any more on electioneering…

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For a political party standing in a general election, their limit in each part of the UK is calculated by multiplying the number of constituencies they are contesting by a monetary value – originally £30,000 per constituency then raised by the UK Government in November 2023 to £54,010. Currently, a political party contesting all 632 seats at a UK Parliamentary general election can spend up to £34 million in the year before polling day, up from £18.96 million under the previous rules.
https://www.transparency.org.uk/news...rs-spend-money

Damien 17-09-2026 11:41
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222455)
if that were to happen would it mean reform/farage committed a criminal offence
Yes, in theory.

I don't like retrospective laws. Ironically, it's actually a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights. You can't prosecute someone for doing something that was understood to be legal at the time. It's obvious how a Government could abuse that.

Reading around a bit, it seems there are exceptions if it's in the public interest. The fact that the Government had already announced it would be illegal after a backdated date means no one can claim they didn't know might also help them. And obviously Parliament can do whatever it wants in theory.

But it seems that in those cases it needs to be something very urgent. The example given is that if they accidentally made a tax loophole that millions could take advantage of, they would immediately say they're passing legislation to fix it, and anyone abusing that loophole since that announcement would be retrospectively criminalised.

I think Reform should be allowed to keep the money, and you only ban it from the date the bill passes. Too dodgy otherwise.

papa smurf 17-09-2026 11:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222467)
Well, if an General Election was called any time within the next 365 days, they’d be screwed, as they would not be allowed to spend any more on electioneering…



https://www.transparency.org.uk/news...rs-spend-money
and assuming we don't drag up the most ridiculous scenario and it's the normal 5 year ish term

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36222471)
Yes, in theory.

I don't like retrospective laws. Ironically, it's actually a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights. You can't prosecute someone for doing something that was understood to be legal at the time. It's obvious how a Government could abuse that.

Reading around a bit, it seems there are exceptions if it's in the public interest. The fact that the Government had already announced it would be illegal after a backdated date means no one can claim they didn't know might also help them. And obviously Parliament can do whatever it wants in theory.

But it seems that in those cases it needs to be something very urgent. The example given is that if they accidentally made a tax loophole that millions could take advantage of, they would immediately say they're passing legislation to fix it, and anyone abusing that loophole since that announcement would be retrospectively criminalised.

I think Reform should be allowed to keep the money, and you only ban it from the date the bill passes. Too dodgy otherwise.
yes covered by article 7 of the echr oh the irony of that pure comedy gold :)

Hugh 18-09-2026 05:59
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36222344)
Yeah that is the investment risk but those who "Hedge" their bets and follow the patterns know it is all manipulated
Funny you should say that…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1789711076

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1789711076

papa smurf 18-09-2026 07:30
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Bitcoin is completely legal to buy, sell, and hold in the United Kingdom. The government classifies it as personal property, but not as legal tender.


i was out for a meal on Tuesday, out of the 12 of us 3 were heavily into crypto 1 bitcoin and the others some different form of crypto,these were young people one mid 30s the other 2 early 20s,i could hardly get my head around the conversation,but the young uns seem to like it

OLD BOY 18-09-2026 07:31
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Crypto is the future, as is Farage.

Damien 18-09-2026 07:39
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I think it's become clear that Crypto isn't the future. It will be around for a while, but not as a key or useful part of society.

papa smurf 18-09-2026 07:52
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36222511)
I think it's become clear that Crypto isn't the future. It will be around for a while, but not as a key or useful part of society.
they probably said the same thing about paper money

Hugh 18-09-2026 08:13
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222508)
Crypto is the future, as is Farage.
That’s what they said about 3D TV, NFTs, and Virtual Reality… ;)

Carth 18-09-2026 09:32
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36222511)
I think it's become clear that Crypto isn't the future. It will be around for a while, but not as a key or useful part of society.
I'm sure a lot of people play around with it, some make profit, some don't.
The ones making the most (and easiest) profit are the manipulators at the top of the chain . . . oh, and criminals apparently.

Is it fully regulated yet? Once it is, it will probably drift into the background . . like NFTs and Virtual Reality :D

TheDaddy 18-09-2026 10:13
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222508)
Crypto is the future, as is Farage.
How's your record with predictions going, still at zero correct?


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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36222526)
I'm sure a lot of people play around with it, some make profit, some don't.
The ones making the most (and easiest) profit are the manipulators at the top of the chain . . . oh, and criminals apparently.

Is it fully regulated yet? Once it is, it will probably drift into the background . . like NFTs and Virtual Reality :D
It's not apparently, ransoms have been paid in crypto and much like nfts it can't be regulated because there's nothing behind it, at least VR was virtually there, that stuff, not so much.

I've got loads of it, don't expect to retire of the profits though, don't even bother checking on it

Carth 18-09-2026 10:53
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Can you still 'make' crypto with a good PC setup and 15 graphics cards?

Pretty sure if it was made legal tender the Government (any Government) wouldn't take kindly to people printing their own money :D


edit: maybe that's what those data enters are for, it's not saving data it's making crypto :rofl:

papa smurf 18-09-2026 11:02
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36222537)
Can you still 'make' crypto with a good PC setup and 15 graphics cards?

Pretty sure if it was made legal tender the Government (any Government) wouldn't take kindly to people printing their own money :D


edit: maybe that's what those data enters are for, it's not saving data it's making crypto :rofl:
from what i understand you have to dig it out of a crypto mine

Carth 18-09-2026 12:01
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222542)
from what i understand you have to dig it out of a crypto mine
Bugger . . they're all in silicon valley aren't they?

papa smurf 18-09-2026 12:07
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36222550)
Bugger . . they're all in silicon valley aren't they?
apparently under the big slide in scunthorpe central park,keep it to yourself ;)

Carth 18-09-2026 13:33
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36222551)
apparently under the big slide in scunthorpe central park,keep it to yourself ;)
I don't go to parks anymore, can't get up the steps to the top of the slide, I fall off the swings, and the roundabout is far too fast . . and just sitting on a bench watching others enjoying themselves leads to some disturbing looks from parents :shocked:

papa smurf 18-09-2026 14:09
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36222555)
I don't go to parks anymore, can't get up the steps to the top of the slide, I fall off the swings, and the roundabout is far too fast . . and just sitting on a bench watching others enjoying themselves leads to some disturbing looks from parents :shocked:
yea but if you're digging under it you obviously do it in the middle of the night when all you have to worry about is smack heads and a certain type of lady

OLD BOY 19-09-2026 10:35
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36222511)
I think it's become clear that Crypto isn't the future. It will be around for a while, but not as a key or useful part of society.
Why on Earth would you say that? Do you have any information to base that on?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222516)
That’s what they said about 3D TV, NFTs, and Virtual Reality… ;)
It was always obvious to me that 3D would never take off while you needed those glasses to watch it. It was just novelty value to me.

NFTs and virtual reality are not going away.

GrimUpNorth 19-09-2026 11:02
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222508)
Crypto is the future, as is Farage.
Is that until Nige tells you it isn't?

1andrew1 19-09-2026 12:07
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36222529)
How's your record with predictions going, still at zero correct?
Indeed. 'Old Boy' to us. 'Net Zero' to his mates. :D

OLD BOY 19-09-2026 13:59
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I see we’re going for high quality debate and barbed comments again. It always happens when people are on dodgy ground with their arguments. I’ll leave you to bask in your reality for now.

1andrew1 19-09-2026 16:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222508)
Crypto is the future, as is Farage.
What is rhe evidence for crypto being the future?

Carth 19-09-2026 18:02
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
We'll be back to bartering with goats, chickens, and funny shaped vegetables before that happens :D

TheDaddy 19-09-2026 19:49
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36222611)
We'll be back to bartering with goats, chickens, and funny shaped vegetables before that happens :D
Funny you say that, I've been saving a thingy shaped turnip for that very event

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222600)
I see we’re going for high quality debate and barbed comments again. It always happens when people are on dodgy ground with their arguments. I’ll leave you to bask in your reality for now.
Snowflake, you okay hun... :)

Damien 20-09-2026 08:00
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222584)
Why on Earth would you say that? Do you have any information to base that on?
Because it's been around for years and has not been adopted by the mainstream. It's just a speculative asset that people hold as a gamble to make money, or to enable transfers of cash that people would rather not be tracked, such as illegal activity.

Because of its volatility, it's never going to be used as a means to pay for things.

You mentioned NFTs later in your comment; you're a few years behind on that. Those have entirely collapsed after people finally twigged that they were paying tens of thousands of dollars for a .jpg of an ape.

denphone 20-09-2026 09:49
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36222508)
Crypto is the future, as is Farage.
Predictions, don't you just love them..:D

GrimUpNorth 20-09-2026 11:44
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36222633)
Predictions, don't you just love them..:D
He sounds like a man who's happily mortgaged his house and sold everything he's got so he could invest. I bet he hasn't and won't do.

Hugh 20-09-2026 11:53
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36222641)
He sounds like a man who's happily mortgaged his house and sold everything he's got so he could invest. I bet he hasn't and won't do.
The people who make money from crypto are the infrastructure providers (who run trading platforms and crypto exchanges, and collect transaction and withdrawal fees from users), token creators, and early traders, while the returns for everyday retail investors vary greatly…

GrimUpNorth 20-09-2026 14:20
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36222642)
The people who make money from crypto are the infrastructure providers (who run trading platforms and crypto exchanges, and collect transaction and withdrawal fees from users), token creators, and early traders, while the returns for everyday retail investors vary greatly…
Still the future though ;)


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