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Not to the same extent, Andrew.

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:D:D:D

You're giving your fellow Wokeingham poster a run for his money in the comedy stakes!

If anything, the Starmer thread is far longer and harsher than the Reform one.

This Starmer thread literally begins with talk of rats leaving a sinking ship. The Reform thread started by describing the context of Reform's membership overtaking the Conservatives and its strong polling.

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Not the highest wattage leader the Conservative Party has elected.

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They're both way overrated in my opinion.

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Due to modern technology you don't need a high wattage to be bright, and you don't need a degree in geography :erm:

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Yes, it was thick answer, but also from a thick reporter as Russia was expelled from the EHCR in 2022 after it attacked Ukraine - it didn't leave.

and Belarus has never been a signatory to the ECHR, so hasn't left, as it's never been in it.

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tbf, it was Bad Enoch’s second gaffe in the last couple of days (this one was about Brexit referendum vote).

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Gary Neville has pissed a lot of people off :LOL: Simon Jordan dismantled him earlier on TalkSport



I can't post various people's views because of the swearing filter. Have a look yourself on xcancel.com

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Gary Neville has always been an idiot, nothing new.

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Starmer looked like a colossal knob on that stage with Trump.

Trump, put him bang in his place.

We’re a joke internationally. We had no positive input into this peace deal and actually hampered it.

Starmer had no business being there, nor did Mark Carney.

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I'm not sure if you're being a contrarian or just joking. For the avoidance of doubt, Steve Witkoff (US Middle East envoy) acknowledged the UK's vital role.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1252595.html
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1760465290

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I must have missed the 8 second news item about the vital role the UK played.

Maybe it was jammed between the (seemingly) more important stuff about what B list celebs had for tea, and the comprehensive articles explaining (with graphics) why solar panels don't work at full capacity after dark.

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Yeah, I know all about it. This was after

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...e-declaration/

https://www.thejc.com/news/politics/...kabee-h8oyqdib

https://www.thetimes.com/us/american...tine-j2khd0f77


“Vital”. Any detail on that?

Trump just publicly humiliated Starmer, he looked like an imbecile.

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Try watching something other than GB News… ;)

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https://archive.ph/FWDbONaturally, Witkoff's statement was a rebuttal of the incorrect information in those articles.

You would have to ask Witkoff not me for the full details. The Times gets close. Some of the less well-informed observers criticised the UK for recognising Palestine. That same The Times article explains how this was necessary to split the Arab League from Hamas.

And obviously, Starmer doesn't need Trump's assistance to do that! ;)

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Starmer and by association the U.K. look pathetic.

Trump played him and he fell for it like a complete novice.

It’s a national embarrassment.

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The UK has minor influence on things like this because there is little we can do. We don't hold any authority over either Hamas or Israel; the latter isn't concerned with our funding. The only outside countries that have any influence are America, Iran and to some extent Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

This peace deal is neither a humiliation nor a success for Britain, as it would have occurred with or without our involvement. I think some people are a bit delusional about how important we are. We've had people saying Starmer will be prosecuted for war crimes in Gaza or that this has humiliated Britain.

We're a footnote in this period of history; no one outside of Britain cares what we think on this issue.

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The only novice here is the contrarian who criticises the UK when the evidence points firmly in the other direction.

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Speak to those in the diplomatic services and you'll soon find that the UK and France punch well above their weight behind the scenes. They have established skills built up from their days of ruling a lot of the world.

That of course doesn't make the UK a super power by any stretch of the imagination. But effective diplomats like Jonathan Powell come from an established system that not all comparable nations possess. That's not British exceptionalism, it's just our history.

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I dont think most people inside Britain care that much.

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So on the news this morning Racheal from accounts is blaming Brexit for why she will be hitting us with yet more taxes, meanwhile the Express is well and truly going after Starmer today.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...5d8eec45&ei=17

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...5d8eec45&ei=17

Labour are sticking to the old Labour system of squeezing us till the pips squeak and then squeezing all some more. Which members of society are they going for next, they tried the pensioners, then they went for the disabled so who will they stick the knife into next month ?

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Follow the money!

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On Brexit, she has a point. The public were told, 'Project Fear', remember?
Those papers dont want you to remember either, how you voted for poverty at their request.

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Labour never should have promised not to reverse the NI cut.

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That's the point, and the UK (along with France and Canada) trying to claiming any credit for it, after rewarding Hamas and hindering the peace negotiations by recognising a palestinian state, is embarrasing.

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Brexit, of course.

Not the taxing the economy into continued stagnation, she takes us all for fools

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Govt. thinking in a nutshell:

"oh heck, we've well and truly screwed ourselves here with some silly promises, failing to get spending under control (despite robbing the plebs), and our reputation is once again in tatters. Let's blame Brexit, that should give us a few days breathing space"

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Recognising Palestine progressed the peace process by splitting Hamas away from the Arab States.

The USA gave the UK credit for its hard work. Embarrassing that you talk the country down instead.

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Partly, yes.

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Talking Starmer down and the embarrassing Labour government down, is not talking the country down.

Don’t conflate the two

Reeves, and Labour’s, current predicament is all of their own design.

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If you criticise the UK and France for trying to take credit then you're clearly talking about countries and not Starmer and his government.

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isn't america really orange

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Not at all and that is a very strange way to view it.

I’m, very obviously, criticising the governments of those countries for their political gamesmanship not the country itself.

Jacque the onion seller in downtown Paris, and Fred the black cab driver are not claiming to take credit are they?

Stop being silly.

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A better definition of being silly is to criticise the UK for trying to take credit when we know that the UK has done a lot of work behind the scenes which has been openly acknowledged by Steve Witkoff, United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.

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We, more importantly you, don’t know that. Define “a lot”, you can’t but I’m open to hear you detail all of our work behind the scenes.

Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabee say otherwise, President Trumps actions suggest otherwise.

He doesn’t even call Starmer by name. “Where’s the U.K?” Then blanks him and turns his back on him. Coordinated and well judged to cause embarrassment.

Starmer then skulks back into the background like a school boy trying to ingratiate himself with the popular kids but being totally ignored. He probably went home and cried.

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Can you back up your suggestion that Brexit has not caused the need to raise taxes?

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It maybe played a part, but so did covid, paying the strikers, forking out various compensations, energy prices (for all those Govt. buildings), bunging cash to Ukraine (and elsewhere), new roads . . . I could go on but it's a big list

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The incompetence of implementing its benefits did that.

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Be fair OB, you can't polish a ****.

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How come brexit didn't play a part in last years budget, the one that "fixed the foundations" etc etc

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I have to ask, because apparently the UK imports a lot of Pork . . . is that an English pig or a European one?

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Brexit as you know is a long term project to impoverish the country. It won't all happen overnight You can expect decades of pain, whoever is running the place is irrelevant. Who have thunk Project Fear was true? With the added unexpected benefit of making the migrant crisis worse. Enjoy, and dont blame politicians from all sides who said it was daft.

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Bacon’s bacon - I have no prejudices where a bacon butty is concerned…

(except that overcooked streaky bacon favoured by Septics, that explodes when you put a fork in it…)

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As per the Smurf

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2143

Never mentioned previously.

Desperation and deflection is all it is.

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I place you on stage 3 of the Brexiters' journey:
Stage 1: Brexit is a success!
Stage 2: Brexit is not the failure Project Fear said it would be!
Stage 3: If Brexit had been implemented properly, we wouldn't have a lower-growth, higher tax economy economy!
Stage 4: Maybe Brexit is partly to blame for the lower-growth, higher tax economy.
Stage 5: Those pesky remainers were right!

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French for Seph please, in a baguette, I'll pay! :D

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With French Mustard

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Don't forget a side of snails :sick:

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We’ve never moved beyond stage 1.

The purpose of Brexit was to leave the EU, therefore it is a total success as we have left. They only way it could fail is if we rejoined.

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L’ escargot, s’il vous plaît…

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Had that it was like garlic flavoured rubber:sick:

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Denial is not just a river in Egypt…

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hee hee

Stage 1: We left
Stage 2: Remainers started crying
Stage 3: Still crying
Stage 4: Still crying
Stage 5: WOW those tears
Stage 6: Still crying
Stage 7: Go on, have a guess

:D

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Well you tell me what bit of my statement is incorrect and we can have a discussion.


I don’t recall what happens after the vote being described, promised or explained on the ballot.

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You’re right - just like every other election, what happens after the vote isn’t described, promised or explained on the ballot - probably because the only things on there are the candidates and their Parties’ names, and a box to make one’s mark…

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ah well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Kvu6Kgp88

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it is, it's called a Manifesto. The party tells you what it will do if elected.

In the referendum there was no Manifesto given by political parties about what they would do or how they would it.

There were remain and leave campaigns that both said lots of things, but neither were in power, or had within their gift to say how they would shape the country after the referendum.

It was ten years ago, you know.

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Far higher than many countries, but a small bit of good news for Labour.
https://news.sky.com/story/money-lat...-blog-13040934

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wow that's convenient it's almost like the figures have been massaged a bit

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One hopes you're not alluding to yet another small easily made error in accounting :D

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3.8 is for all intents and purposes 4, and these things are always revised afterwards, I wouldn't be surprised if it's higher than 4.

Either way, there is nothing to celebrate here.

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oh . . err . . it's quite funny really, sit com material

Migrant removed to France returns to UK on small boat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clykzx43v0po

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note tied to a house brick?

:Yes:

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This is why Nigel will win.

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What's our coward leader doing apart from handing the responsibility to the relevant authority? Is that all a leader does, delegate power ?

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Not sure what your question is?

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In other news

This in the torygraph :shocked: what's Rachel from Halifax doing.. ?

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trying to kill off pensioners and the disabled is her main goal

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Currently working on the new 'sunshine' tax. Still in its infancy, but the idea is that any household that doesn't have solar panels will be taxed because they're not contributing to Net Zero.

The 'Rain' tax will follow, any dwelling that is rained upon for 2 consecutive hours will be taxed for contributing to the problems of waste water management.

Stay tuned for the 'heavy breathing' tax, for overly contributing to the rise of CO2 levels

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Jesus - that last one’s going to hit you severely when you’re on the internet… ;)

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However dire, it's still better than Rishi 'in we rust' Sunak, the corrosive figure. I'm glad my vote kicked him out!

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Is this a doctor? Engineer? Care giver? Or rapist, murderer, Islamist terrorist?

And there’s been at least 35,000 undocumented males of his age arrived this year.

That’s my question.

Interested in your answer, although recently you’ve been impotent in your responses

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Migrant freed from prison by mistake, migrant returns on small boat days after being deported (he must a few quid btw), 35,000 undocumented arrivals by small boat already, rape gang inquiry collapsing before it starts due to claims of political interference, tax rises imminent, economy flatlining, inflation twice the BoE target, billions wasted on Chagos deal, losing 35% vote share in by-election.

How Starmer can have the front stand at lectern or dispatch box with any authority and to claim they’re doing a good job is beyond me. He should go, or they should get rid of him, because if Caerphilly is any kind of marker for 2029 they’re in serious trouble

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New deputy leader announced... 16.6% turnout Lucy Powell wins :woot:

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Fortunately it’s a party political appointment and need have nothing to do with Government. She’ll be allowed to have the crayons and sit at the back. Felt tips for a special treat when she has to do PMQs when Starmer’s away.

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Who? :shrug:

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I don't know :shrug: I'll celebrate anything to be honest :LOL:

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Lammy, it is to be hoped, is a temporary appointment pending appointment of a deputy party leader. Though now I come to think of it I don’t know who I prefer less in that role.

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Just another rape gang apologist.

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The other contender Phillipson looked like Reeves :shocked:

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A lot going on in this piece. Evidence shows exposure knocks down barriers. That's what I've heard from professionals before at wellbeing events.

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It could be argued that spending month after month chasing employment but not getting it could lead to depression, sort of catch 22

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Do you think the job centre are out of ideas?

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or out of jobs ..

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It will soon be job center AI trying to find jobs for the people they replaced. :D

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The Conservatives had 14 years to do this but you didn't criticise them at the time.

I think the consensus seems to be moving towards agreement that leaving the EHCR won't work as it will disrupt too many agreements, but some changes to it may be the solution.

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Serious question - how would the boats (mainly inflatables) be "pushed back"?

What physical mechanism would be employed without causing multiple drownings, which would breach Article 98 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, and could put the Sailors on the ships doing the "pushing back" at risk of prosecution for murder?

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The English Channel used to be our protection from 'invasion', it has now become a highway.

Unlike other European countries, we can't build hundreds of miles of fencing and guard towers to secure our borders, and we are prevented - by law - from using even the mildest of force on any boats heading our way.

I think we're screwed, we can't even house them in tin huts in muddy fields as a deterrent.