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45rpm 01-03-2026 17:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36211480)
If Iraq and Libya are anything go by, it'll make it more unstable. The US are good at bombing, but not the 'what next' bit.
That is very true. However, there are other places where countries have been "liberated" and the country becomes way more stable than before.

Eg the former Yugoslavia. All (most?) of the states are thriving after independence. Note that Slobodan Milošević was ousted under Tony Blair's watch.

Also South Korea is doing OK.

Further back in time: many of the defeated countries after WW2 thrived such as Japan and Germany.

Hugh 01-03-2026 18:08
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Re "further back in time"

Germany (and Europe) had the Marshall Plan, and Japan had the US backed Yoshida doctrine - in both cases, the plans had been formulated before the War was over.

jem 01-03-2026 19:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211498)
Re "further back in time"

Germany (and Europe) had the Marshall Plan, and Japan had the US backed Yoshida doctrine - in both cases, the plans had been formulated before the War was over.
Indeed. Both Germany and Japan were basically taken over and run by the allied forces. It was then a gradual process to stabilise the situation, allow various democratic systems to be set up and then slowly withdraw.

Imagine that on April 30th 1945, the allied forces had decided that ‘OK, Hitler is dead, we can go now’’, and simply left and left Germany to it. How do you think that would have worked out?

There were ‘boots on the ground’, as per the modern parlance, and that is something that the US tends to want to avoid for obvious reasons.

Sephiroth 01-03-2026 19:21
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Jem has a point. See Afghanistan for details.

thenry 02-03-2026 11:30
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Quote:
Three US warplanes crash in Kuwait following a friendly-fire incident, with crew members reported safe

https://timesofoman.com/article/1689...fire-in-kuwait
Kuwait will pay for a ship load of jets to replace these us warplanes :o:

papa smurf 02-03-2026 12:22
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just watching the Hegseth briefing on sky news, now there's an idiot with way too much excess testosterone and no doubt a very small penis, oorah simplify

Mr K 02-03-2026 16:41
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I see the 'dont panic buy fuel' messages are going out. Which of course will make people panic buy fuel, as they panic about others panic buying...

Carth 02-03-2026 17:09
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Give it another 5 years you'll all be queuing for electricity.

In the meantime, why don't we capture some of those naughty ships carrying crude oil to where they shouldn't ;)

Chris 02-03-2026 17:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36211552)
I see the 'dont panic buy fuel' messages are going out. Which of course will make people panic buy fuel, as they panic about others panic buying...
Fortunately there’s little chance of me having to queue to use my home charger. :D

Sephiroth 02-03-2026 17:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211556)
Give it another 5 years you'll all be queuing for electricity.

In the meantime, why don't we capture some of those naughty ships carrying crude oil to where they shouldn't ;)
Give it another 50 years and we'll all be facing east.

thenry 02-03-2026 17:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211558)
Give it another 50 years and we'll all be facing east.
I intend on being cremated and not faced towards Mecca ;)

Hugh 02-03-2026 21:53
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1772491454

Depart now via commercial means.

Meanwhile…

Quote:
Air has said that all flights to and from Amman, Dubai, Bahrain, Doha, Dammam, Kuwait, Copenhagen, and Baghdad are cancelled for Tuesday 3 March. Other flights are operating as scheduled but delays are to be expected.

Saudia has also cancelled flights to and from Amman, Kuwait, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Bahrain, Moscow and Peshawar until 11:59 pm GMT (12:59 pm CET ) on 2 March.

Low-cost carrier Wizz Air has suspended all flights to and from Israel, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Amman and Saudi Arabia up to and including 7 March.

Turkish Airlines has cancelled flights to and from Bahrain, Dammam and Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Syria and the UAE.

Air France has cancelled its scheduled flights to and from Tel Aviv, Beirut, Dubai and Riyadh until 5 March.

Dutch airline KLM is currently not flying through the airspace of Iran, Iraq, and Israel, nor over several countries in the Gulf region. Flights to, from, or via destinations in the region are cancelled or adjusted. KLM's Tel Aviv flights are suspended for the remainder of its winter season operations; flights to and from Dubai are suspended until 5 March; and flights to and from Damman and Riyadh are also suspended until 5 March.

British Airways is not flying to Tel Aviv and Bahrain until 4 March, while a number of flights to the Middle East have also been cancelled. The airline said if passengers are due to fly between London Heathrow and Abu Dhabi, Amman, Bahrain, Doha, Dubai or Tel Aviv up to and including 15 March, they can change their flight free of charge to travel on or before 29 March. Customers travelling up to and including 8 March may also request a full refund.

Lufthansa Group airlines – which includes Lufthansa, SWISS International Air Lines, Austrian Airlines, Brussels Airlines, ITA Airways, and Eurowings – has suspended flights to Tel Aviv, Beirut, Amman, Erbil, Dammam, and Tehran until 8 March. In addition, Lufthansa Group airlines also suspend flights to and from Dubai until 4 March.

Finnair has suspended daily flights to Dubai and Doha until 6 March, while Norwegian is suspending its flights to and from Dubai up until and including 4 March. "We will then assess if it's possible to resume flights," said the budget carrier.

Delta Air Lines has cancelled flights from New York to Tel Aviv until 8 March, while American Airlines’s Doha-Philadelphia flights are "temporarily suspended".

Air Canada has said that all flights to and from Dubai and Tel Aviv are currently suspended and restarting on 23 March.

Air India has extended the suspension of all flights to and from the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Qatar until 11:59 pm local time (7:29 pm CET) on 2 March 2026.

Garuda Indonesia, Indonesia's flag carrier, temporarily suspended flights to and from Doha "until further notice", the company said in a statement on Sunday.
https://www.euronews.com/2026/03/02/...tional-flights

tl:dr

Dear Americans,

Better get the hell out of building we set on fire, oh, and we aren’t going to help you get out.

Screw you.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

D J Trump.

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 17:15
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I'm no Trump fan except when he's crapping on Starmer! At today's press conference (with Merz of Germany), he said that the UK "had ruined relationships", that "it's not Churchill we are dealing with", "we are not happy with the UK".

He was particularly critical that the UK would not allow him to use Diego Garcia because of doubts as to legality of what the USA is doing.

Btw, he crapped even harder on Spain, instructing his Trade Secretary to stop all trade with Spain.

Back to Starmer - because our sovereign territory (Akrotiri Base) was directly attacked by Iran when we had not been involved in the initial attack on Iran, we now have the right under International Law to defend ourselves including by offensive means to take out the enemy's capabilities. The man is a cretin.

He has trashed the special relationship, he nevertheless is now putting UK military assets into play.

Jeez.

Hugh 03-03-2026 17:22
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I think you may find that Trump’s definition of "the Special Relationship", and in fact, any relationship, is "Do what I want, when I want (even if I keep changing my mind), say "thank you" lots, and praise me to high heaven, even when I’ve treated you very badly".

An abusive relationship is not a Special Relationship…

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 17:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211627)
I think you may find that Trump’s definition of "the Special Relationship", and in fact, any relationship, is "Do what I want, when I want (even if I keep changing my mind), say "thank you" lots, and praise me to high heaven, even when I’ve treated you very badly".

An abusive relationship is not a Special Relationship…
The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.

mrmistoffelees 03-03-2026 18:02
Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211628)
The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.
There’s an alternative

Damien 03-03-2026 19:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211628)
The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.
Why should we get involved with Iran because Trump wants us to?

1andrew1 03-03-2026 19:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211626)
I'm no Trump fan except when he's crapping on Starmer! At today's press conference (with Merz of Germany), he said that the UK "had ruined relationships", that "it's not Churchill we are dealing with", "we are not happy with the UK".

He was particularly critical that the UK would not allow him to use Diego Garcia because of doubts as to legality of what the USA is doing.

Btw, he crapped even harder on Spain, instructing his Trade Secretary to stop all trade with Spain.

Back to Starmer - because our sovereign territory (Akrotiri Base) was directly attacked by Iran when we had not been involved in the initial attack on Iran, we now have the right under International Law to defend ourselves including by offensive means to take out the enemy's capabilities. The man is a cretin.

He has trashed the special relationship, he nevertheless is now putting UK military assets into play.

Jeez.
It's not often I defend Starmer but he called this one right. Unlike the Conservatives and Reform, Starmer actually stood up for British sovereignty and not curtseying and taking orders from an untrustworthy overseas power. I can understand Farage's concerns with his tax exile funders wanting a bit of support now that Dubai et al have been attacked.

---------- Post added at 20:31 ---------- Previous post was at 20:25 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36211633)
Why should we get involved with Iran because Trump wants us to?
Because Seph thinks we have to be a supplicant state to the US so Trumpy doesn't call us nasty names.

TheDaddy 03-03-2026 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211634)
Because Seph thinks we have to be a supplicant state to the US so Trumpy doesn't call us nasty names.
Reeks of sovereignty and taking back control doesn't it, bending over for a pervert and thanking him for it, ffs, this is what we're reduced to

1andrew1 03-03-2026 19:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211638)
Reeks of sovereignty and taking back control doesn't it, bending over for a pervert and thanking him for it, ffs, this is what we're reduced to
Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211639)
Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.
Er, ??

Hugh 03-03-2026 20:59
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Re Trump’s comments about the UK’s approach.

There’s always a tweet (or two…)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1772575078
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1772575078

Dingbat 03-03-2026 22:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211639)
Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.
A better example is Harold Wilson, telling Lyndon Johnson to sod off when he wanted the UK to get involved in Vietnam.

Look how well that war turned out for the USA.

Hugh 03-03-2026 22:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 36211650)
A better example is Harold Wilson, telling Lyndon Johnson to sod off when he wanted the UK to get involved in Vietnam.

Look how well that war turned out for the USA.
Or Blair/Iraq…

Dingbat 03-03-2026 22:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211651)
Or Blair/Iraq…
That was the opposite. Blair made the wrong decision in sending our military into Iraq. Wilson saw that what the US was doing in Vietnam was only going to end badly.

Hugh 03-03-2026 23:26
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Blair gave into Bush, because of the "Special Relationship" - not the example we should follow…

Paul 04-03-2026 01:03
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Dont care for Starmer as a rule, but agree with him here, we should not be getting involved in this conflict other than whats needed to defend ourselves from any retalitory attacks. This war is the USA & Israels, not ours.

denphone 04-03-2026 05:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36211664)
Dont care for Starmer as a rule, but agree with him here, we should not be getting involved in this conflict other than whats needed to defend ourselves from any retalitory attacks. This war is the USA & Israels, not ours.
Exactly this.

Carth 04-03-2026 09:21
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Won't matter if we join in or not, there will still be nutters determined to cause even more harm and havoc here, so the best thing to do is concentrate on defending our country, not attacking another.

Sephiroth 04-03-2026 10:19
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Bit late for that, mate. The enemy is already here.

Carth 04-03-2026 10:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211693)
Bit late for that, mate. The enemy is already here.
oh I agree, which is why we should have our eyes open at home, not away

thenry 04-03-2026 11:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36211664)
Dont care for Starmer as a rule, but agree with him here, we should not be getting involved in this conflict other than whats needed to defend ourselves from any retalitory attacks. This war is the USA & Israels, not ours.
The war is with Arabs. But other than a pound note in their pocket they have just created a monster by keeping the peace. Iran wants Mecca. The region is doomed.

Trumps a curious one. He tells countries to pay up on defence then takes over from the rich Arabs. Huh are they paying up in other ways :confused:

TheDaddy 04-03-2026 11:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36211697)
The war is with Arabs. But other than a pound note in their pocket they have just created a monster by keeping the peace. Iran wants Mecca. The region is doomed.

Trumps a curious one. He tells countries to pay up on defence then takes over from the rich Arabs. Huh are they paying up in other ways :confused:
The UAE bought billions of his crypto, his profiteering and corruption are off the scale and barely a word is uttered, hunters laptop and Hillarys emails still get more press than world liberty financial

1andrew1 04-03-2026 12:58
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Quite amusing to see Trump perplexed when other countries don't follow his America First line but put their own countries first.

Carth 04-03-2026 12:59
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It's all about the exchange rate, which currently stands at around 17 drones for 2 Patriot missiles . .

Hugh 04-03-2026 14:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211703)
It's all about the exchange rate, which currently stands at around 17 drones for 2 Patriot missiles . .
Trump should ask Zelenskyy for help - Ukraine has lots of experience downing Shahed drones…

thenry 04-03-2026 14:12
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Well he has offered help

Quote:
“I would suggest the following: leaders of the Middle East have great relations with Russians. They can ask Russians to implement a month-long ceasefire,” Mr Zelensky told Bloomberg. “In exchange, we will send our best operators of drone interceptors to the Middle East countries.”

http://archive.today/w647j

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-putin-drones/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-checkout=true

Sephiroth 04-03-2026 14:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211708)
Trump should ask Zelenskyy for help - Ukraine has lots of experience downing Shahed drones…
.... and, with a bit of luck, may not see too many more.

TheDaddy 04-03-2026 14:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211703)
It's all about the exchange rate, which currently stands at around 17 drones for 2 Patriot missiles . .
It's 20k for a drone and 4 million for a patriot missile, so I make that 200 drones per patriot missile, hell of an exchange rate that...

papa smurf 04-03-2026 14:49
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from what i've seen on TV the easiest way to stop a shahed drone is to put a block of flats in front of it

Carth 04-03-2026 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211711)
It's 20k for a drone and 4 million for a patriot missile, so I make that 200 drones per patriot missile, hell of an exchange rate that...
I wasn't talking of the finances involved, more of what's being thrown about from one side to another :D

Chris 04-03-2026 21:07
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Pete Hegseth (US Secretary of Fox News) has stood up and claimed an American submarine just became the first since world war 2 to torpedo a warship. I can’t help wondering how ‘facts’ like this get circulated - surely if someone imagined it might be true, they would have to go and check to make sure first? Otherwise by what basis would you imagine it was true? Annoyingly, this little candidate for Most Stupid Thing the Trump Admin Has Said Today (and let’s face it, it’s a crowded field) just gave handwringing Bowen the chance to remind everyone watching the 10 o’clock news how ‘controversial’ the BBC has always thought the sinking of the Belgrano was.

Mr Hegseth, the crew of HMS Conqueror would like a word.

Paul 04-03-2026 22:13
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Perhaps its the first American submarine to torpedo a warship since WW2 ?

Chris 04-03-2026 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36211728)
Perhaps its the first American submarine to torpedo a warship since WW2 ?
It is, though he failed to make that distinction in his press conference.

1andrew1 05-03-2026 07:28
Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211710)
.... and, with a bit of luck, may not see too many more.
Why? They're not just made in Iran; Russia builds them under licence.

Sephiroth 05-03-2026 08:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211737)
Why? They're not just made in Iran; Russia builds them under licence.
Damn.

Hugh 05-03-2026 10:35
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https://as.ft.com/r/7fbc0a64-9c34-421f-8607-fef00ee96f40

Quote:
Ronald Graham, managing partner of Taylor Wessing’s Dubai office, said the law firm had received “discreet enquiries . . . around day count in the UK and — if they can’t get back to UAE — how will that impact their tax situation”. He said most were waiting and seeing before taking action, but that the rich “really value the ability to move and work wherever they want, when they want, and when something like the Iran war disrupts it, they don’t like it”.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2026/03/1.jpg

Hugh 05-03-2026 15:52
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ts-2026-03-05/

Quote:
U.S. President Donald Trump told Axios ​on Thursday that he needs to *be personally involved in selecting Iran's next leader.

"Khamenei's son is unacceptable to me. ​We want someone that will ​bring harmony and peace to Iran," ⁠Axios quoted Trump as saying ​in an interview.

"I have to be ​involved in the appointment, like with Delcy (Rodriguez) in Venezuela," Trump said.

Mojtaba Khamenei, son of ​Iran's late Supreme Leader, has survived ​the U.S. and Israeli airstrikes on Iran *in ⁠which his father Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was killed, Iranian sources told Reuters on Wednesday.

A mid-ranking cleric with close ties ​to Iran's ​elite ⁠Revolutionary Guards, hardliner Mojtaba is one of the most ​influential figures in the Iranian ​clerical ⁠establishment and is seen as a possible successor to his father.

Iran has ⁠not ​yet announced a new ​leader.

Hugh 05-03-2026 16:02
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And whilst we are on the subject of delusional morons, I believe this is what "the kids" call FAFO… :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1772730070

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1772730070

thenry 05-03-2026 16:03
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He talks out the side of his mouth.

Hugh 05-03-2026 16:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36211770)
He talks out the side of his mouth.
More like for his posterior…

Carth 05-03-2026 16:15
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Is he some kind of B class celebrity or something?

Can't he get on 'The Chase' or 'Tipping Point' and show how thick he is?

1andrew1 05-03-2026 20:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211769)
And whilst we are on the subject of delusional morons, I believe this is what "the kids" call FAFO… :D
Is that a prison or has he evaded justice?

jem 05-03-2026 20:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211798)
Is that a prison or has he evaded justice?
Its might be that he can't navigate the intricacies of the departure lounge of wherever he is trying to fly from, and find his way to his flight!

Dingbat 05-03-2026 21:00
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“I’m in some terrorist detention centre for some terrorist check,” Tate said. He continued: “Welcome to the Middle East. I guess tensions are high for some reason. I’m like, ‘Do you know who I am?’.”

What a muppet. He can’t even remember his own name.

https://www.indy100.com/viral/andrew...n-centre-dubai

TheDaddy 05-03-2026 22:39
Re: Conservative Party's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211784)
Er - our sovereign territory was bombed by the enemy.

For what my opinion is worth:

1. We could not have participated in initial strikes (see Israel for details).

2. We should not have prevented the USA from using our sovereign bases.

3. We were bombed - so now we are ivolved.

My understanding is that the USA was bounced into the war by Israel who, legitimately, attacked Iran. The USA rightly feared (because Iran so threatened) that their bases and assets would be legitimate target for Iran. So the USA legitimately attacked Iran.

Simples, really.
The president doesn't declare war, Congress does, so it is in fact illegitimate unless whatever this is its not a war, guess he could try calling it a special military operation, it worked for putin did in Ukraine

1andrew1 06-03-2026 06:48
Re: Conservative Party's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211812)
The president doesn't declare war, Congress does, so it is in fact illegitimate unless whatever this is its not a war, guess he could try calling it a special military operation, it worked for putin did in Ukraine
Indeed. It's funny how those on the right who criticise Blair for the UK's part in the Iraq War are keen to criticise those who didn't assist Trump in his illegal war on Iran. Party politics before patriotism. ;)

Hugh 06-03-2026 07:28
Re: Conservative Party's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211784)
Er - our sovereign territory was bombed by the enemy.

For what my opinion is worth:

1. We could not have participated in initial strikes (see Israel for details).

2. We should not have prevented the USA from using our sovereign bases.

3. We were bombed - so now we are ivolved.

My understanding is that the USA was bounced into the war by Israel who, legitimately, attacked Iran. The USA rightly feared (because Iran so threatened) that their bases and assets would be legitimate target for Iran. So the USA legitimately attacked Iran.

Simples, really.
Trump’s Press Secretary, KKKaroline Leavitt, contradicted that understanding…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2931933.html

Quote:
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt has said President Donald Trump’s decision to attack Iran — which subsequently ignited a conflict that has sparked chaos across the Middle East — was grounded in what she called a “feeling based on fact” that Iran would imminently attack the United States and its allies.

“The president was not going to be just another president on a very long list who sat back and stood by and passed the buck of this direct threat to the next administration,” she said at a White House briefing when The Independent pressed her on the shifting explanations for the war offered by top administration officials since the weekend.

“The president had a feeling, again, based on fact, that Iran was going to strike the United States was going to strike our assets in the region, and he made a determination to launch Operation Epic Fury based on all of those reasons,” Leavitt added.
And so did Trump

Quote:
Trump himself contradicted that claim during a media availability with reporters Tuesday after he was asked if Israel had “forced his hand” with their own attack plans.

“Based on the way that the negotiations was going, I think that they were going to attack first. And I didn't want that to happen,” Trump said. “So if anything, I might have forced Israel's hand. But Israel was ready and we were ready.”

Carth 06-03-2026 08:44
Re: Conservative Party's chronicles
 
I'd rather believe Sephiroth than Trump and his Whitehouse minions, at least he doesn't compromise himself by changing his ideas and principles just to look 'more gooder' than he is.

:D

Chris 06-03-2026 09:06
Re: Conservative Party's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211822)
Trump’s Press Secretary, KKKaroline Leavitt, contradicted that understanding…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2931933.html



And so did Trump
Regime Barbie contradicts many things, principally all received understanding of what constitutes integrity and professionalism in the role of Press Sec.

Sephiroth 06-03-2026 09:20
Re: Conservative Party's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211812)
The president doesn't declare war, Congress does, so it is in fact illegitimate unless whatever this is its not a war, guess he could try calling it a special military operation, it worked for putin did in Ukraine
There may be a US constitutional question, i.e. legitimacy within US law; but there is no doubt that the USA was under threat and attack after the Israeli first strike which, in international terms, legitimises the USA action.


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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211821)
Indeed. It's funny how those on the right who criticise Blair for the UK's part in the Iraq War are keen to criticise those who didn't assist Trump in his illegal war on Iran. Party politics before patriotism. ;)
Wake up. Iran had to be stopped in its quest to achieve nuclear capability which the would have used to obliterate Israel.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211826)
I'd rather believe Sephiroth than Trump and his Whitehouse minions, at least he doesn't compromise himself by changing his ideas and principles just to look 'more gooder' than he is.

:D
I'd rather believe Carth than Trump as well. I wish I could include Hugh, but he's too careful about sticking to facts!

Chris 06-03-2026 10:21
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a handful of recent posts are moved here from the Conservative Party Chronicles thread.

Hugh 06-03-2026 10:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211830)
There may be a US constitutional question, i.e. legitimacy within US law; but there is no doubt that the USA was under threat and attack after the Israeli first strike which, in international terms, legitimises the USA action.


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Wake up. Iran had to be stopped in its quest to achieve nuclear capability which the would have used to obliterate Israel.

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I'd rather believe Carth than Trump as well. I wish I could include Hugh, but he's too careful about sticking to facts!
Not sure if you meant it that way, but thanks for the compliment… ;)

1andrew1 06-03-2026 13:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211839)
Not sure if you meant it that way, but thanks for the compliment… ;)
I would chalk it up as a win and ask no questions! :D

Sephiroth 06-03-2026 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211839)
Not sure if you meant it that way, but thanks for the compliment… ;)
It was a compliment, my way. I do appreciate when you bring the latest facts to the Forum.

And, to remind for the record:

Israel has to protect itself.

Hamas needs to be offed.

Hezbollah, ditto.

Iran - Regime to be offed and its people freed.

Hugh 06-03-2026 14:49
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That’s not good…

https://wapo.st/3OUfaJg

Quote:
Russia is providing Iran intelligence to target U.S. forces, officials say


The targeting information has included the locations of American warships and aircraft in the Middle East, the officials said.

Russia is providing Iran with targeting information to attack American forces in the Middle East, the first indication that another major U.S. adversary is participating — even indirectly — in the war, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

.The assistance, which has not been previously reported, signals that the rapidly expanding conflict now features one of America’s chief nuclear-armed competitors with exquisite intelligence capabilities.


Since the war began Saturday, Russia has passed Iran the locations of U.S. military assets, including warships and aircraft, said the three officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.



"It does seem like it’s a pretty comprehensive effort,” one of the people said…

… Analysts said that the sharing of intelligence would fit the pattern of Iran’s strikes against U.S. forces, including command and control infrastructure, radars and temporary structures, like the one in Kuwait where six service members were killed.


The CIA’s station at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia’s capital, also was struck in recent days.


Iran is “making very precise hits on early warning radars or over-the-horizon radars,” said Dara Massicot, an expert on the Russian military at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “They’re doing this in a very targeted way. They’re going after command and control,” she added.

Carth 06-03-2026 15:00
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If the USA people really were intelligent, they should have expected it and taken measures.

Hands up all of us that thought Russia would just sit quietly and do nothing. :D

thenry 06-03-2026 15:11
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US intelligence fed to Ukraine saw Russian frontline forces being spotted and blown up in a great effort to push Russia back.

I thought Iran had no shame toying with a superior power but Russia is a joke with this move.

Hugh 06-03-2026 15:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211863)
If the USA people really were intelligent, they should have expected it and taken measures.

Hands up all of us that thought Russia would just sit quietly and do nothing. :D
Unfortunately, the experienced experts in the US Intelligence Community who did know these things were fired because their viewpoints, based on decades of experience in their fields, did not align with the Donald’s (who, by his own words, knows more than the Generals), so his sycophants who he put in charge fired thousands from the CIA, NSA, FBI, Cyber Command, DNI, etc., who might have pointed out some of the "speed bumps"…

And, strangely enough, Operation Epstein Fury isn’t going the way his sycophants promised it would…

Sephiroth 06-03-2026 15:18
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With a bit of luck, Iran is nearly out of missiles and drones.

Hugh 06-03-2026 15:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211867)
With a bit of luck, Iran is nearly out of missiles and drones.
As previously stated, hope is neither a strategy or a plan…

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidha...drone-attacks/

Quote:
UPDATE: 5th March: CNN reports that “Trump administration officials told lawmakers during a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill Tuesday that Iran’s Shahed attack drones represent a major challenge and US air defenses will not be able to intercept them all,” as the threat was greater than anticipated.

Sephiroth 06-03-2026 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211868)
As previously stated, hope is neither a strategy or a plan…
I'm the one hoping. The Israelis/Americans should be doing the planning and strategising.

thenry 06-03-2026 15:24
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The Arab world left Iran to build stockpile of Arsenal.

Hugh 06-03-2026 15:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211869)
I'm the one hoping. The Israelis/Americans should be doing the planning and strategising.
Difficult when you (current USA leadership) fire the experts, or don’t listen to them when their expertise doesn’t support what they (USA leadership) want to believe…

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211866)
Unfortunately, the experienced experts in the US Intelligence Community who did know these things were fired because their viewpoints, based on decades of experience in their fields, did not align with the Donald’s (who, by his own words, knows more than the Generals), so his sycophants who he put in charge fired thousands from the CIA, NSA, FBI, Cyber Command, DNI, etc., who might have pointed out some of the "speed bumps"…

And, strangely enough, Operation Epstein Fury isn’t going the way his sycophants promised it would…

Carth 06-03-2026 16:02
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I've proclaimed my disdain of 'experts' a few times on here, but there's a not so subtle difference between the plethora of 'common & garden' experts, and those who also show some common sense and foresight.

It seems Trump (the Master of etc) prefers the 'common & garden' yes men.

TheDaddy 06-03-2026 16:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211830)
There may be a US constitutional question, i.e. legitimacy within US law; but there is no doubt that the USA was under threat and attack after the Israeli first strike which, in international terms, legitimises the USA action.


Wake up. Iran had to be stopped in its quest to achieve nuclear capability which the would have used to obliterate Israel.
Were they under threat of attack, seemed like a long list of rationales were thrown at the wall before that one stuck, sounded the most sensible and resonated a bit more than nuclear bombs, regime change, ballistic missiles, being mean to donnie etc etc

Bibi has been banging on about Iran being on the brink of having a nuclear bomb for 30 years, in fact the only time frame he never used was 30 years away from a bomb, besides donnie told their nuclear programme was blown to smithereens last year, if you didnt believe him then, how can you believe him now.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211856)
It was a compliment, my way. I do appreciate when you bring the latest facts to the Forum.

And, to remind for the record:

Israel has to protect itself.

Hamas needs to be offed.

Hezbollah, ditto.

Iran - Regime to be offed and its people freed.
And from what I can tell yhe regime is stronger, the old ayatollah (sp) was deeply unpopular and in his mid 80's, how long did he even have left, now he's a martyr, young people who knew nothing but the oppressive regime are now tied to it


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211867)
With a bit of luck, Iran is nearly out of missiles and drones.
It's more likely the other way around, that Israel and America are nearly out of missiles

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211871)
Difficult when you (current USA leadership) fire the experts, or don’t listen to them when their expertise doesn’t support what they (USA leadership) want to believe…
Indeed, they warned donnie killing the ayatollah (sp) wouldn't be the end of it but donnie knew best and had to find a distraction from the paedo ring he was at the heart of and covering up

Chris 06-03-2026 16:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211873)
It's more likely the other way around, that Israel and America are nearly out of missiles
Unlikely at this stage, but because of this little adventure they’ll be in trouble if China kicks off over Taiwan at any time in the next couple of years.

Carth 06-03-2026 16:24
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Trump will just send people out there armed with flintlock Muskets

Hugh 06-03-2026 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211875)
Trump will just send people out there armed with flintlock Muskets
Well, it worked before…

Quote:
President Trump made a bit of a historical blunder during his Fourth of July “Salute to America” speech Thursday when he said that the Continental Army “took over the airports” from the British during the American Revolutionary War in the 1770s.

During his hour-long speech at the grounds of Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., Trump stayed largely off politics.

Trump praised the Americans’ military efforts in the war against Great Britain. “Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory,” he said.
https://time.com/5620936/donald-trum...-war-airports/

Sephiroth 06-03-2026 18:50
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You do want the Iranian regime offed, Carth? And their missiles trashed? Yes? Please?

Hugh 06-03-2026 19:48
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Quote:
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt offered an explanation of what Trump means by his unconditional surrender demand on Iran.

“When Trump, as Commander in Chief, determines that Iran no longer poses a threat to the US and the goals of Operation Epic Fury have been fully realized, then Iran will essentially be in a place of unconditional surrender, whether they say it themselves or not,” she explained.
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story...ral-more-weeks

Quote:
As the war entered its seventh day with intensifying strikes and retaliatory attacks across the region, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio informed Arab foreign ministers that the conflict is expected to continue for several more weeks, according to a report by Axios.

On Friday, the American news outlet Axios, citing sources with direct knowledge of the conversations, reported that Rubio conveyed the message during a series of phone calls with Arab foreign ministers on Thursday.

According to the sources, Rubio explained that the current military focus is on Iran’s missile launchers, stockpiles, and factories.

He also told the ministers that the United States’ goal is not regime change, while simultaneously making clear that Washington wants different people running the country, the sources said.
In both cases

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2026/03/1.gif

jem 06-03-2026 20:44
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Wow, just f’ing wow. Just when you think they can’t possibly get even more inarticulate and incompetent, they surprise you.

The real professionals in the US military really have to be cringing and face-palming now.

TheDaddy 06-03-2026 22:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36211874)
Unlikely at this stage, but because of this little adventure they’ll be in trouble if China kicks off over Taiwan at any time in the next couple of years.
I think they're already in trouble, the UAE has sent 30 times defending itself than it cost Iran to attack them, they are running out of weapons and so are other Arab states, hence donnie has demanded US arms manufacturers quadruple their output.

Quite surprised this never gained any traction, apparently in the negotiations that were abruptly cut short by America attacking, Oman foreign minister & negotiator is claiming Iran agreed to everything, no nuclear material stockpiling, IAEA monitoring, US spot checks, no weapons grade enriched uranium the lot, seems war war was preferable to jaw jaw though

Carth 07-03-2026 02:06
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Weapon Manufacturing isn't a great earner in times of peace . . although slinging all your old stock at someone begging for it *cough Ukraine *cough* does then give you scope to produce better stuff I guess.

Sephiroth 07-03-2026 07:37
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UK has missed a trick. If we had invested in munitions manufacturing (big time), we could have supplied the US and delivered to RAF Fairford.

1andrew1 07-03-2026 07:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211895)
Quite surprised this never gained any traction, apparently in the negotiations that were abruptly cut short by America attacking, Oman foreign minister & negotiator is claiming Iran agreed to everything, no nuclear material stockpiling, IAEA monitoring, US spot checks, no weapons grade enriched uranium the lot, seems war war was preferable to jaw jaw though
Those negotiations didn't matter much to Israel. They set the agenda on this special military operation and Trump complied. He was a little bit disappointed when Europe didn't do the same.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211905)
UK has missed a trick. If we had invested in munitions manufacturing (big time), we could have supplied the US and delivered to RAF Fairford.
Trump buying British? :D
America first, pal!
Tariffs mean tariffs.

Sephiroth 07-03-2026 08:23
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In which case a munitions factory would be a prudent investment.

Hugh 07-03-2026 08:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211908)
In which case a munitions factory would be a prudent investment.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/52d...9e8254c4c0c190

Quote:
Britain will mass-manufacture explosives for the first time in a generation as the government faces fresh calls to end its reliance on the US military.

The Ministry of Defence has earmarked at least 13 sites across the UK for potential munitions and “energetics” factories.

The Times understands they will produce high explosives, rocket propellants and ignition systems at scale for use on the front line.

John Healey, the defence secretary, will announce the plan to create an “always on” munitions pipeline in a speech in Westminster on Wednesday morning.

Details of the move were shared on the same day that parliament’s defence committee warned about the UK’s inability to defend itself from attack due to years of underinvestment in defence and its dependence on US firepower, hardware and intelligence.
This also gets us out of ITAR restrictions

Sephiroth 07-03-2026 08:32
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Hugh is my personal research assistant!

Hugh 07-03-2026 08:33
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Also

https://www.theengineer.co.uk/conten...ons-production

Carth 07-03-2026 08:48
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snipped quote:

Quote:
. . earmarked at least 13 sites across the UK for potential munitions and “energetics” factories.
The two words I highlighted lead me to guess at a build completion date of around 2048 . . . way too late, everything will be different by then.
We'll be making explosives while the rest of the world are using Lasers :D

Chris 07-03-2026 09:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211912)
snipped quote:



The two words I highlighted lead me to guess at a build completion date of around 2048 . . . way too late, everything will be different by then.
We'll be making explosives while the rest of the world are using Lasers :D
Actually we already have lasers … :cool:

https://news.sky.com/story/dragonfir...rones-13051553

Dragonfire has been in development for 10 years but should see its first deployment on a ship next year.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211895)
I think they're already in trouble, the UAE has sent 30 times defending itself than it cost Iran to attack them, they are running out of weapons and so are other Arab states, hence donnie has demanded US arms manufacturers quadruple their output.

Quite surprised this never gained any traction, apparently in the negotiations that were abruptly cut short by America attacking, Oman foreign minister & negotiator is claiming Iran agreed to everything, no nuclear material stockpiling, IAEA monitoring, US spot checks, no weapons grade enriched uranium the lot, seems war war was preferable to jaw jaw though
The Middle East is learning the lesson Ukraine now knows well. Meanwhile Trump, who is genuinely just not very clever, hasn’t understood the economics of high-intensity missile defence and still thinks America can just finance and build unlimited Patriot interceptors to fix the problem he and his fellow idiots have caused.

1andrew1 07-03-2026 09:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36211913)
Meanwhile Trump, who is genuinely just not very clever, hasn’t understood the economics of high-intensity missile defence and still thinks America can just finance and build unlimited Patriot interceptors to fix the problem he and his fellow idiots have caused.
US's high debt levels cannot help maters either.

TheDaddy 07-03-2026 09:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36211913)
Actually we already have lasers … :cool:

https://news.sky.com/story/dragonfir...rones-13051553

Dragonfire has been in development for 10 years but should see its first deployment on a ship next year.
On a ship, what are we thinking, it should be strapped to the head of a fricken shark

Chris 07-03-2026 09:52
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Then we should anchor off the coast of any nation that displeases us and demand the sum of ONE MILLION DOLLARS

Hugh 07-03-2026 10:44
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On a ship, what are we thinking, it should be strapped to the head of a fricken shark
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36211920)
Then we should anchor off the coast of any nation that displeases us and demand the sum of ONE MILLION DOLLARS
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1772883872

Chris 07-03-2026 21:15
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I see el gov has placed an aircraft carrier on 5 days’ readiness, with absolutely definitely no inkling at all that this would be misunderstood (and misreported) by the media as ZOMG WE’RE SENDING AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER TO IRAN and conveniently kill off the questions from the press and public who were *finally* starting to realise what successive governments have been doing to the Royal Navy since the 1990s.

FWIW HMS Prince of Wales was already on 14 days’ notice and was already being prepared for deployment because of a forthcoming NATO exercise. And there’s scant chance of us having any reason to send a floating airbase to the eastern Mediterranean anyway, what with us owning a massive land-based one on an island out that way called Cyprus.

It’s also functionally impossible for us to deploy an aircraft carrier outside of a NATO exercise or operation with the RN in its current state thanks to the RN having insufficient ships to escort it. So no, HMS PoW is not going anywhere near a combat zone unless Starmer can persuade allies its in their interests to go along with it.

papa smurf 08-03-2026 12:19
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Iran war latest: Iran has chosen new supreme leader after killing of Ayatollah Khamenei in US-Israel strike


https://news.sky.com/story/iran-late...-news-13509565


code name Target

i wonder how long this one will live

thenry 08-03-2026 12:33
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Find shame.

Carth 08-03-2026 12:36
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Could end up being a long running game show* "I'm the Ayatollah get me out of here"


*Obviously hosted by the extremely irritating Ant & Dec


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