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45rpm 01-03-2026 19:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36211480)
If Iraq and Libya are anything go by, it'll make it more unstable. The US are good at bombing, but not the 'what next' bit.
That is very true. However, there are other places where countries have been "liberated" and the country becomes way more stable than before.

Eg the former Yugoslavia. All (most?) of the states are thriving after independence. Note that Slobodan Milošević was ousted under Tony Blair's watch.

Also South Korea is doing OK.

Further back in time: many of the defeated countries after WW2 thrived such as Japan and Germany.

Hugh 01-03-2026 20:08
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Re "further back in time"

Germany (and Europe) had the Marshall Plan, and Japan had the US backed Yoshida doctrine - in both cases, the plans had been formulated before the War was over.

jem 01-03-2026 21:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211498)
Re "further back in time"

Germany (and Europe) had the Marshall Plan, and Japan had the US backed Yoshida doctrine - in both cases, the plans had been formulated before the War was over.
Indeed. Both Germany and Japan were basically taken over and run by the allied forces. It was then a gradual process to stabilise the situation, allow various democratic systems to be set up and then slowly withdraw.

Imagine that on April 30th 1945, the allied forces had decided that ‘OK, Hitler is dead, we can go now’’, and simply left and left Germany to it. How do you think that would have worked out?

There were ‘boots on the ground’, as per the modern parlance, and that is something that the US tends to want to avoid for obvious reasons.

Sephiroth 01-03-2026 21:21
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Jem has a point. See Afghanistan for details.

thenry 02-03-2026 13:30
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Quote:
Three US warplanes crash in Kuwait following a friendly-fire incident, with crew members reported safe

https://timesofoman.com/article/1689...fire-in-kuwait
Kuwait will pay for a ship load of jets to replace these us warplanes :o:

papa smurf 02-03-2026 14:22
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just watching the Hegseth briefing on sky news, now there's an idiot with way too much excess testosterone and no doubt a very small penis, oorah simplify

Mr K 02-03-2026 18:41
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I see the 'dont panic buy fuel' messages are going out. Which of course will make people panic buy fuel, as they panic about others panic buying...

Carth 02-03-2026 19:09
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Give it another 5 years you'll all be queuing for electricity.

In the meantime, why don't we capture some of those naughty ships carrying crude oil to where they shouldn't ;)

Chris 02-03-2026 19:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36211552)
I see the 'dont panic buy fuel' messages are going out. Which of course will make people panic buy fuel, as they panic about others panic buying...
Fortunately there’s little chance of me having to queue to use my home charger. :D

Sephiroth 02-03-2026 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211556)
Give it another 5 years you'll all be queuing for electricity.

In the meantime, why don't we capture some of those naughty ships carrying crude oil to where they shouldn't ;)
Give it another 50 years and we'll all be facing east.

thenry 02-03-2026 19:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211558)
Give it another 50 years and we'll all be facing east.
I intend on being cremated and not faced towards Mecca ;)

Hugh 02-03-2026 23:53
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1772491454

Depart now via commercial means.

Meanwhile…

Quote:
Air has said that all flights to and from Amman, Dubai, Bahrain, Doha, Dammam, Kuwait, Copenhagen, and Baghdad are cancelled for Tuesday 3 March. Other flights are operating as scheduled but delays are to be expected.

Saudia has also cancelled flights to and from Amman, Kuwait, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Bahrain, Moscow and Peshawar until 11:59 pm GMT (12:59 pm CET ) on 2 March.

Low-cost carrier Wizz Air has suspended all flights to and from Israel, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Amman and Saudi Arabia up to and including 7 March.

Turkish Airlines has cancelled flights to and from Bahrain, Dammam and Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Syria and the UAE.

Air France has cancelled its scheduled flights to and from Tel Aviv, Beirut, Dubai and Riyadh until 5 March.

Dutch airline KLM is currently not flying through the airspace of Iran, Iraq, and Israel, nor over several countries in the Gulf region. Flights to, from, or via destinations in the region are cancelled or adjusted. KLM's Tel Aviv flights are suspended for the remainder of its winter season operations; flights to and from Dubai are suspended until 5 March; and flights to and from Damman and Riyadh are also suspended until 5 March.

British Airways is not flying to Tel Aviv and Bahrain until 4 March, while a number of flights to the Middle East have also been cancelled. The airline said if passengers are due to fly between London Heathrow and Abu Dhabi, Amman, Bahrain, Doha, Dubai or Tel Aviv up to and including 15 March, they can change their flight free of charge to travel on or before 29 March. Customers travelling up to and including 8 March may also request a full refund.

Lufthansa Group airlines – which includes Lufthansa, SWISS International Air Lines, Austrian Airlines, Brussels Airlines, ITA Airways, and Eurowings – has suspended flights to Tel Aviv, Beirut, Amman, Erbil, Dammam, and Tehran until 8 March. In addition, Lufthansa Group airlines also suspend flights to and from Dubai until 4 March.

Finnair has suspended daily flights to Dubai and Doha until 6 March, while Norwegian is suspending its flights to and from Dubai up until and including 4 March. "We will then assess if it's possible to resume flights," said the budget carrier.

Delta Air Lines has cancelled flights from New York to Tel Aviv until 8 March, while American Airlines’s Doha-Philadelphia flights are "temporarily suspended".

Air Canada has said that all flights to and from Dubai and Tel Aviv are currently suspended and restarting on 23 March.

Air India has extended the suspension of all flights to and from the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Qatar until 11:59 pm local time (7:29 pm CET) on 2 March 2026.

Garuda Indonesia, Indonesia's flag carrier, temporarily suspended flights to and from Doha "until further notice", the company said in a statement on Sunday.
https://www.euronews.com/2026/03/02/...tional-flights

tl:dr

Dear Americans,

Better get the hell out of building we set on fire, oh, and we aren’t going to help you get out.

Screw you.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

D J Trump.

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 19:15
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I'm no Trump fan except when he's crapping on Starmer! At today's press conference (with Merz of Germany), he said that the UK "had ruined relationships", that "it's not Churchill we are dealing with", "we are not happy with the UK".

He was particularly critical that the UK would not allow him to use Diego Garcia because of doubts as to legality of what the USA is doing.

Btw, he crapped even harder on Spain, instructing his Trade Secretary to stop all trade with Spain.

Back to Starmer - because our sovereign territory (Akrotiri Base) was directly attacked by Iran when we had not been involved in the initial attack on Iran, we now have the right under International Law to defend ourselves including by offensive means to take out the enemy's capabilities. The man is a cretin.

He has trashed the special relationship, he nevertheless is now putting UK military assets into play.

Jeez.

Hugh 03-03-2026 19:22
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I think you may find that Trump’s definition of "the Special Relationship", and in fact, any relationship, is "Do what I want, when I want (even if I keep changing my mind), say "thank you" lots, and praise me to high heaven, even when I’ve treated you very badly".

An abusive relationship is not a Special Relationship…

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211627)
I think you may find that Trump’s definition of "the Special Relationship", and in fact, any relationship, is "Do what I want, when I want (even if I keep changing my mind), say "thank you" lots, and praise me to high heaven, even when I’ve treated you very badly".

An abusive relationship is not a Special Relationship…
The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.

mrmistoffelees 03-03-2026 20:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211628)
The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.
There’s an alternative

Damien 03-03-2026 21:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211628)
The "special relationship" goes well beyond Trump. We should not jeopardise the big picture. The UK is a bust - we can't stand on our own.

A competent PM would be able to handle Trump and ride out his presidency.
Why should we get involved with Iran because Trump wants us to?

1andrew1 03-03-2026 21:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211626)
I'm no Trump fan except when he's crapping on Starmer! At today's press conference (with Merz of Germany), he said that the UK "had ruined relationships", that "it's not Churchill we are dealing with", "we are not happy with the UK".

He was particularly critical that the UK would not allow him to use Diego Garcia because of doubts as to legality of what the USA is doing.

Btw, he crapped even harder on Spain, instructing his Trade Secretary to stop all trade with Spain.

Back to Starmer - because our sovereign territory (Akrotiri Base) was directly attacked by Iran when we had not been involved in the initial attack on Iran, we now have the right under International Law to defend ourselves including by offensive means to take out the enemy's capabilities. The man is a cretin.

He has trashed the special relationship, he nevertheless is now putting UK military assets into play.

Jeez.
It's not often I defend Starmer but he called this one right. Unlike the Conservatives and Reform, Starmer actually stood up for British sovereignty and not curtseying and taking orders from an untrustworthy overseas power. I can understand Farage's concerns with his tax exile funders wanting a bit of support now that Dubai et al have been attacked.

---------- Post added at 20:31 ---------- Previous post was at 20:25 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36211633)
Why should we get involved with Iran because Trump wants us to?
Because Seph thinks we have to be a supplicant state to the US so Trumpy doesn't call us nasty names.

TheDaddy 03-03-2026 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211634)
Because Seph thinks we have to be a supplicant state to the US so Trumpy doesn't call us nasty names.
Reeks of sovereignty and taking back control doesn't it, bending over for a pervert and thanking him for it, ffs, this is what we're reduced to

1andrew1 03-03-2026 21:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211638)
Reeks of sovereignty and taking back control doesn't it, bending over for a pervert and thanking him for it, ffs, this is what we're reduced to
Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.

Sephiroth 03-03-2026 22:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211639)
Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.
Er, ??

Hugh 03-03-2026 22:59
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Re Trump’s comments about the UK’s approach.

There’s always a tweet (or two…)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1772575078
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1772575078

Dingbat 04-03-2026 00:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211639)
Indeed, it's a very negative and unpatriotic approach. If Chamberlain taught (some of) us only one thing, it's never give into a bully.
A better example is Harold Wilson, telling Lyndon Johnson to sod off when he wanted the UK to get involved in Vietnam.

Look how well that war turned out for the USA.

Hugh 04-03-2026 00:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 36211650)
A better example is Harold Wilson, telling Lyndon Johnson to sod off when he wanted the UK to get involved in Vietnam.

Look how well that war turned out for the USA.
Or Blair/Iraq…

Dingbat 04-03-2026 00:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211651)
Or Blair/Iraq…
That was the opposite. Blair made the wrong decision in sending our military into Iraq. Wilson saw that what the US was doing in Vietnam was only going to end badly.

Hugh 04-03-2026 01:26
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Blair gave into Bush, because of the "Special Relationship" - not the example we should follow…

Paul 04-03-2026 03:03
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Dont care for Starmer as a rule, but agree with him here, we should not be getting involved in this conflict other than whats needed to defend ourselves from any retalitory attacks. This war is the USA & Israels, not ours.

denphone 04-03-2026 07:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36211664)
Dont care for Starmer as a rule, but agree with him here, we should not be getting involved in this conflict other than whats needed to defend ourselves from any retalitory attacks. This war is the USA & Israels, not ours.
Exactly this.

Carth 04-03-2026 11:21
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Won't matter if we join in or not, there will still be nutters determined to cause even more harm and havoc here, so the best thing to do is concentrate on defending our country, not attacking another.

Sephiroth 04-03-2026 12:19
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Bit late for that, mate. The enemy is already here.

Carth 04-03-2026 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211693)
Bit late for that, mate. The enemy is already here.
oh I agree, which is why we should have our eyes open at home, not away

thenry 04-03-2026 13:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36211664)
Dont care for Starmer as a rule, but agree with him here, we should not be getting involved in this conflict other than whats needed to defend ourselves from any retalitory attacks. This war is the USA & Israels, not ours.
The war is with Arabs. But other than a pound note in their pocket they have just created a monster by keeping the peace. Iran wants Mecca. The region is doomed.

Trumps a curious one. He tells countries to pay up on defence then takes over from the rich Arabs. Huh are they paying up in other ways :confused:

TheDaddy 04-03-2026 13:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36211697)
The war is with Arabs. But other than a pound note in their pocket they have just created a monster by keeping the peace. Iran wants Mecca. The region is doomed.

Trumps a curious one. He tells countries to pay up on defence then takes over from the rich Arabs. Huh are they paying up in other ways :confused:
The UAE bought billions of his crypto, his profiteering and corruption are off the scale and barely a word is uttered, hunters laptop and Hillarys emails still get more press than world liberty financial

1andrew1 04-03-2026 14:58
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Quite amusing to see Trump perplexed when other countries don't follow his America First line but put their own countries first.

Carth 04-03-2026 14:59
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It's all about the exchange rate, which currently stands at around 17 drones for 2 Patriot missiles . .

Hugh 04-03-2026 16:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211703)
It's all about the exchange rate, which currently stands at around 17 drones for 2 Patriot missiles . .
Trump should ask Zelenskyy for help - Ukraine has lots of experience downing Shahed drones…

thenry 04-03-2026 16:12
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Well he has offered help

Quote:
“I would suggest the following: leaders of the Middle East have great relations with Russians. They can ask Russians to implement a month-long ceasefire,” Mr Zelensky told Bloomberg. “In exchange, we will send our best operators of drone interceptors to the Middle East countries.”

http://archive.today/w647j

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-putin-drones/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-checkout=true

Sephiroth 04-03-2026 16:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211708)
Trump should ask Zelenskyy for help - Ukraine has lots of experience downing Shahed drones…
.... and, with a bit of luck, may not see too many more.

TheDaddy 04-03-2026 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36211703)
It's all about the exchange rate, which currently stands at around 17 drones for 2 Patriot missiles . .
It's 20k for a drone and 4 million for a patriot missile, so I make that 200 drones per patriot missile, hell of an exchange rate that...

papa smurf 04-03-2026 16:49
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from what i've seen on TV the easiest way to stop a shahed drone is to put a block of flats in front of it

Carth 04-03-2026 17:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36211711)
It's 20k for a drone and 4 million for a patriot missile, so I make that 200 drones per patriot missile, hell of an exchange rate that...
I wasn't talking of the finances involved, more of what's being thrown about from one side to another :D

Chris 04-03-2026 23:07
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Pete Hegseth (US Secretary of Fox News) has stood up and claimed an American submarine just became the first since world war 2 to torpedo a warship. I can’t help wondering how ‘facts’ like this get circulated - surely if someone imagined it might be true, they would have to go and check to make sure first? Otherwise by what basis would you imagine it was true? Annoyingly, this little candidate for Most Stupid Thing the Trump Admin Has Said Today (and let’s face it, it’s a crowded field) just gave handwringing Bowen the chance to remind everyone watching the 10 o’clock news how ‘controversial’ the BBC has always thought the sinking of the Belgrano was.

Mr Hegseth, the crew of HMS Conqueror would like a word.

Paul 05-03-2026 00:13
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Perhaps its the first American submarine to torpedo a warship since WW2 ?

Chris 05-03-2026 00:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36211728)
Perhaps its the first American submarine to torpedo a warship since WW2 ?
It is, though he failed to make that distinction in his press conference.

1andrew1 05-03-2026 09:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36211710)
.... and, with a bit of luck, may not see too many more.
Why? They're not just made in Iran; Russia builds them under licence.

Sephiroth 05-03-2026 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211737)
Why? They're not just made in Iran; Russia builds them under licence.
Damn.

Hugh 05-03-2026 12:35
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https://as.ft.com/r/7fbc0a64-9c34-421f-8607-fef00ee96f40

Quote:
Ronald Graham, managing partner of Taylor Wessing’s Dubai office, said the law firm had received “discreet enquiries . . . around day count in the UK and — if they can’t get back to UAE — how will that impact their tax situation”. He said most were waiting and seeing before taking action, but that the rich “really value the ability to move and work wherever they want, when they want, and when something like the Iran war disrupts it, they don’t like it”.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2026/03/1.jpg

Hugh 05-03-2026 17:52
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ts-2026-03-05/

Quote:
U.S. President Donald Trump told Axios ​on Thursday that he needs to *be personally involved in selecting Iran's next leader.

"Khamenei's son is unacceptable to me. ​We want someone that will ​bring harmony and peace to Iran," ⁠Axios quoted Trump as saying ​in an interview.

"I have to be ​involved in the appointment, like with Delcy (Rodriguez) in Venezuela," Trump said.

Mojtaba Khamenei, son of ​Iran's late Supreme Leader, has survived ​the U.S. and Israeli airstrikes on Iran *in ⁠which his father Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was killed, Iranian sources told Reuters on Wednesday.

A mid-ranking cleric with close ties ​to Iran's ​elite ⁠Revolutionary Guards, hardliner Mojtaba is one of the most ​influential figures in the Iranian ​clerical ⁠establishment and is seen as a possible successor to his father.

Iran has ⁠not ​yet announced a new ​leader.

Hugh 05-03-2026 18:02
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And whilst we are on the subject of delusional morons, I believe this is what "the kids" call FAFO… :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1772730070

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1772730070

thenry 05-03-2026 18:03
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He talks out the side of his mouth.

Hugh 05-03-2026 18:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36211770)
He talks out the side of his mouth.
More like for his posterior…

Carth 05-03-2026 18:15
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Is he some kind of B class celebrity or something?

Can't he get on 'The Chase' or 'Tipping Point' and show how thick he is?

1andrew1 05-03-2026 22:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36211769)
And whilst we are on the subject of delusional morons, I believe this is what "the kids" call FAFO… :D
Is that a prison or has he evaded justice?

jem 05-03-2026 22:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36211798)
Is that a prison or has he evaded justice?
Its might be that he can't navigate the intricacies of the departure lounge of wherever he is trying to fly from, and find his way to his flight!

Dingbat 05-03-2026 23:00
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“I’m in some terrorist detention centre for some terrorist check,” Tate said. He continued: “Welcome to the Middle East. I guess tensions are high for some reason. I’m like, ‘Do you know who I am?’.”

What a muppet. He can’t even remember his own name.

https://www.indy100.com/viral/andrew...n-centre-dubai


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