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NEW: Starmer police gave woman retrospective £10,000 fine

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...fine-9zgmfkmqw

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If sir beer is found to have broken the law and is not given an fpn then the shyt will hit the fan.

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Agreed. If anyone breaks the law and gets caught then they should suffer the appropriate penalty. I still think he should have offered to step aside while being investigated.

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I think that Times article could add pressure on Durham Police to find Keir Starmer guilty & fine him, because if a woman who had organised a balloon release event for her father who had passed way, which in the eyes of the people, would see as a more valid excuse & yet it can be fined the most colossal penalty, then they should & they can fine a group of people holding a beer and curry night at Miners Hall, in Durham.

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Agreed.

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What the Police have to prove is that what may have started as a work event, then turned in to an illegal social gathering, the fact beer is involved could tip the balance of probabilities that Police will fine Starmer.

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It's going to depend on how much work 'blended' into the meal I guess. I think if the police find large quantities of beer/alcohol were ordered - which would be pretty easy - then Starmer is fined. Labour apparently has WhatsApp messages, document edits/emails and video edit times showing that work continued past the party but were those from the building?

As Mick said the beer is critical I think. One beer with a meal they will probably get away with (The Met police didn't investigate the wine/cheese thing in No 10 for example) but if they got hammered it's clearly not work. And the problem for Labour you can't hide that. There would have been a paper trail of the orders. We already know exactly how much curry was ordered so the police likely know exactly how much beer/wine/whatever was ordered.

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Does it matter if work carried on back at the hotel instead of at the Miners Hall? I think it would be impossible to prove that they weren't discussing work matters over a beer and curry and this seems to have been the approach adopted by the Met towards the No 10 cheese and wine party.

What's a reasonable amount of alcohol to be able to continue work? I would probably cap it at two beers but if it turned out to be three beers each would the police start to get that judgmental? It's a hard call!

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Many times did I work late, and the company bought in food, but most importantly no booze was supplied, only soft or tea/coffee.

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This is keeping twitter busy today.
https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/statu...17632029679618
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1652439620

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It's a bottle of champagne signed by Boris Johnson. Donated to the auction by an MP, with a sarcastic description of the PMs recent behavior.

I don't see the problem, it is a criticism put across in a humorous way.

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I did some due diligence before posting. It's from a blue tick verified account with over 14k re-tweets.

I think the reactions are Marmite. Some adopt Pierre's view, others view it as an insult.

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https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/statu...C-5av7j6oqAAAA

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Another ambush that someone is incredulous about, they really think the public will fall for anything

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No, Grim. To comply with Mr Hindsight's own rules, he should have resigned when the police started their investigation. Standing aside just doesn't cut it! :D

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What this says to me as the Durham Police and the Met Police don't have a clue. They are stabbing in the dark to try to look good in the eyes of a section of the public.

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It's not a hard call at all. The hard call is trying to justify why Boris got a fine and Sir Kier didn't.

I wouldn't like to be the one explaining that one, because it's just so obviously wrong.

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The booze is not the prime consideration - it's whether it was a social event. However, if they got hammered, clearly it wasn't a work event.

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'Treat us all the same': Woman, 35, who held a lockdown-busting memorial in November 2020 before being retrospectively fined £10,000 by Durham police demands Keir Starmer faces punishment over 'Beergate'

A woman given a retrospective £10,000 fine by Durham police for organising a balloon-releasing memorial during the pandemic says Sir Keir Starmer should also be hit with a financial penalty if he is found to have broken Covid rules.

Vicki Hutchinson voiced fury at photographs of the Labour leader swigging beer and chatting to party officials during a visit to Durham last April and urged police to 'treat us all the same'.

The 35-year-old, from Peterlee in County Durham, organised her event in a field in November 2020 as a tribute to her father-in-law Ian Stephenson, a former miner who died from Covid-19.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...unishment.html

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The DailyMail reports that Boris Johnson did not lie to Parliament after all.

[Admin Edit: Refer to news sources by the proper name]

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That’s not really news. This has been obvious from the start and I have been drawing attention to that for months now.

Here is a useful explanation from a barrister, writing in The Spectator.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ead-parliament

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:dunce:

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I've been saying for months now he's either too untruthful or too incompetent to be PM. This does not alter the analysis.

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Doesn't matter.The fact that so many of the public FOLLOWED the rules and were asked not to do certain things like hold funerals or say goodbye to dying family members will rankle for generations. Those that got fined unnecessarily will be annoyed and remember for a very long time how those who made the rules apparently had trouble in applying them to their own circumstances.

They were the ones who made the laws so it should have been made much clearer what was and what was not allowed.

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Trouble is, many didn't give a damn about this "Flu".


A gym near me refused to shut even when a dozen cop cars turned up and knicked her and every on inside

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If you don't understand your own rules then being Prime Minister is probably not the best job for you.

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It's not like he's a top barrister is it, if he was then he would know what a party was in the eyes of the law.

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Innocent until fined. ;)

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I think the PM had some serious stuff to deal with and was unaware of what was going on behind his back.

Thus far, he has received a fine because a cake arrived in the room where he had arrived for a meeting. Let’s see what else transpires before we start judging him against Cummings’ allegations.

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I don’t think that the rule makers ever thought that a cake on its own represented a social event. The Met have got it wrong.

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You must have a lot of faith in the police to say that. A court is the judge of whether or not you are innocent and I have no doubt they would come to a different conclusion on the cake incident.

BJ may still be found to have breached the law in relation to other incidents still to be judged, but it would be jumping the gun to accuse him of blatantly and deliberately breaking the rules as some have claimed.

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I don't know why you keep going on about cake. The Met deemed this event a social one and with his wife and interior designer there, Johnson evidently agreed and paid the fine. And he's the rule-maker.

As a reminder, the birthday party was held in 2020 hence during far stricter lock down laws than Beergate.

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Johnson evidently disagrees that the courts would have found differently as he paid the fine and didn't dispute it.

I'm disappointed you're adopting such a woke approach to Robert Peel's finest.

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The hard call I was referencing was clearly around around alcohol consumption.

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Because he’s lost the argument on the basis of the facts. His only recourse (given his basic inability ever to admit to being wrong about anything) is therefore to change the facts so that he’s right.

Therefore in OB’s head the only available, relevant information is the cake, which may be portrayed as an absurd basis for a fine so long as it is isolated from all the other evidence (e.g. the presence of other people who clearly had nothing to do with his work).

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Indeed - Johnson either didn't understand the rules he made or just ignored them. This demonstrates to me why he's not appropriate for the job of PM.

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This one is always tricky for any party. The situation we are now in is so different when the statement was made it's hard to see how the "promise" could be kept and not drive the nation into bankruptcy.

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I NEVER mentioned cake. You have a Marie Antoinette obsession with cake.However everything I accuse the PM and his government STILL stands.

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Keir Starmer would be just as shit, given the LIES he and Labour have told over beergate.

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I've some sympathy for Johnson on this point too although I think the NI hike might tip us towards recession.

I would swap it out for PPE scandal.

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Just as bad as Labours Cash for Honours scandal.

Like I said, Labour are just as bad but more useless.

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Johnson should be benchmarked against those who are likely to step into his shoes if he is forced to resign due to Partygate That won't be Starmer as there won't be a general election.

Any transgressions which Starner may or may not have done do not make Johnson a suitable Prime Minister.

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Sad that the argument is that Kier is less shit than Johnson. What a lucky electorate we are!

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No one seems to be making that argument on here though. :confused:

But as I think Damien has said, you vote against who you don't want, not who you want. Before we beat politicians up too much on this, I guess that's a function of the first past the post voting system.

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[QUOTE=1andrew1;36122539]Johnson should be benchmarked against those who are likely to step into his shoes if he is forced to resign due to Partygate That won't be Starmer as there won't be a general election.

Any transgressions which Starner may or may not have done do not make Johnson a suitable Prime Minister.

:tu:

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Keir Starmer forced into HUGE U-turn - Labour leader hints he'll quit even if NOT fined
SIR KEIR STARMER has pledged to quit as Labour leader if he is found to have "done something wrong" by the police, rather than just if he is fined.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nd-rule-breach

I'm starting to get the feeling he doesn't want the job:)

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Nothing new there - he has previously been asked this question and said he would step down if found to have broken the law, even if not fined.

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Link please.

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Wrong, you see this is the problem I have with you, your inability to follow the facts, Keir was asked if he’d resign *if* only fined and he confirmed this in his statement.

This isn’t an open ended statement.

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Plenty of news outlets have used the phrases “if fined” and “if found to have broken the law” interchangeably, especially in their headlines. It I is very unlikely Starmer has distinguished these as two distinct alternative outcomes and I can’t find any written evidence that he has done so.

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He hasn't. He made it clear that he is saying the fine is what decides if he has broken the law.

I also don't think it's likely the police will outright say he broke the law but they won't fine him. I think in the result they don't fine him any wording will stop short of saying he broke the law and instead say he broke 'guidance' or he 'may' have broken the law.

Starmer didn't change position here and i think the press knows that but it's an angle to keep the story going a bit.

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I don't think it's much of a contradiction. It was clearly initially a work event. The question is how much did it stop being a work event and start becoming a social event? I can certainly see how the lines could be blurred for someone to be pretty certain it's a work event but by the law, which he voted for, it wasn't.

When you're working long hours away from home then work does blend into food. You and your colleagues might break for pizza or whatever whilst still semi-working. To me that's work but would I have been fined in that scenario? If so, then so should he.

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I was convinced I had read it somewhere. I'll have a look again this evening but everything points to my being wrong! Apologies.

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I have to say, you both clearly didn’t take in everything Starmer stated last week. Sky’s Beth Rigby specifically asked him, linked his potential FPN, only being a resigning matter, Starmer referred her to his earlier remark that he would resign if he got a FPN. Even the guardian considered his position, having a “loophole”.

For reference here is his full statement:



There was lots of it being discussed that Starmer was using the “Dominic Cummings, get out jail free card.” That Durham wouldn’t retrospectively issue a lockdown fine, given they didn’t with DC.

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I think what’s sparked this Express story about Keir supposedly changing his position, he’s been on Loose Women, he’s apparently said on there today:

Causing Labour to thrash it out by saying:

Which it wasn’t in the case of Dominic Cummings.

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Yeah that's what I said. He isn't separating the concept of breaking the law from a FPN

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But he’s gambling on the Police doing so, given he won’t commit to resigning, even if they find he had broke the rules but won’t fine him, like they did with Cummings.

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There is industrial scale whataboutery going on here. The important decision is if the current Government, led by Boris Johnson, is fit to govern this country given the corrupt, dishonest, immoral and criminal behaviour they have demonstrated on an almost daily basis.

Who replaces them, whether they in turn are fit for office, is orthogonal to the decision whether this Government is fit for office. The right wing trope of "well, they are like that so where is the problem?" is childish at best.

We should aim to have a Government that is fit for office, trustworthy and has integrity & honesty (within the bounds of conventional politics). This current Executive has shown itself to have none of these qualities and consequently, their supporters, ones who you might call "decent" Tories are deserting them in droves.

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There is nothing “right wing” about calling out Keir Starmer, who had also conducted himself in a untrustworthy, corrupt way, he’s not an effective communicator and that matters, whether he’s government or not. So this fit for office you speak of, I want that, but Starmer hasn’t got what it takes, so no I won’t just froth about Johnson because you say I should.

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How is Starmer "corrupt"?

And how does Starmer's qualities determine how the Tories are fit for office? As I said, industrial scale whataboutery ...

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Not sure how it can be whataboutery when the thread topic involves johnson, starmer and others..... :shrug:

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Like hell it is. This thread isn’t about Tory fitness for office.

It’s about Partygate and Beergate.

That said, you’re querying about Starmer corruption, Are you joking ?

This is easy. He propped up Corbyn, for PM, who did very little, that I recall to curb Antisemitic traits within Labour, as well as being a Putin apologist.

Not to mention - He’s told several different versions of Beergate Night.

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So no evidence then. Got it ..

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The evidence is, he’s now under criminal investigation, like Boris was, I don’t apologise that you hate this fact. :rolleyes:

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I think it's less a case of Boris was - and more a case of Boris still is - the subject of criminal investigation.

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Why does that make him corrupt?

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Correct, my bad, but which leader stood on his high horse calling on the other to resign, when a criminal investigation was launched?

Need a reminder?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1652730394

This is before any conclusion & fine was on its way to Johnson. Now that the above hypocrite, is now under criminal investigation, why hasn’t he resigned, a precedent, he himself set?

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I answered that posts ago.

You don’t think Starmer propping up Corbyn to be PM was a problem, given Corbyn’s stance against NATO but equally cosying up to Putin, not in the slightest bit corrupt?

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Cosying up to Putin? Isn't there a former leader of the free world you should also be calling corrupt then? He thinks Putin's a 'smart guy'....

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By that argument, Nigel Farage must be corrupt then. He followed Putin's line in blaming NATO and the EU for the invasion of Ukraine and has even said he admired Putin as an operator.

Sources:
2022: Nato has poked the Russian bear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A93xABm2JQc
2014: Debate over Crimea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A93xABm2JQc

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I fell off my chair at “not an effective communicator”.

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Your obsession with Farage, is pathetic, I’m not sure why you bring him up with me, I’m not a follower of him, nor he’s he a politician or a current leader of either the largest parties.

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Explain the dire local election results then for Labour, let’s see “if falling off your chair”, recovered at least some applicable intelligence. :rolleyes:

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:zzz:

You’re another one obsessed with the past, move on FFS. You’re becoming very boring, bringing up the same shit, Mr K. :dozey:

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Bad policies?

I know it's difficult to grasp viewing everything through the prism of Brexit and therefore the Government can do wrong whether lying, corruption, failure to tackle the cost of living crisis. However if Labour don't put up an alternative policy platform, or at best "slightly less shit and less corrupt then the Tories" it'll be consistently rejected.

A £10 minimum wage in 2025 when it's currently £9.50 isn't a compelling alternative. Far from being an ineffective communicator I'd go so far as to say Sir Kier is a very effective communicator. So effective the fact the party have no ideas is transparent to everyone.

It then becomes easy for the Tories and right wing press to bog him down in culture wars - discussing whether women have penises or refugees to Rwanda is a good idea or not. They neither heat the house or put food on the table.

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I mean 'dire' is very much spin though isn't it? It's slightly better than 2018 overall which is when Labour had polling numbers consistent with their 2017 election performance. Which is quite a recovery from 2019.

It's not amazing, it's not great. But it's not bad either. It's a decent performance. Especially in the context of where they've come from.

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Sigh! I see the discussion hasn't moved along.
Anyway the Tories attack on Starmer is a mistake because it keeps everyone's mind firmly on what preceded that. Not much point in kicking it into the long grass if you keep getting the strimmer out to find specific targets that suit your agenda.

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Johnson is toast anyway. It’s a case of keeping Labour in chaos chasing their tail until the Tories find a new leader since Crown Prince Sunak cocked it up.

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And I can see your agenda, you won’t shut me up Maggy. Just because you and others can’t stand the attacks on the pathetic hypocrisy of yours and others precious Labour Party who are certainly no better, doesn’t mean I won’t stop raising it in this thread.

Now, where were we…. TBC.

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I think you’re trying really hard to spin it as good, actually. It was an exceptionally bad result, especially for Starmer. All the accusations, fines levied at the Tories, Labour should have raced ahead and completely obliterated every Tory council seat out there, but they didn’t, Tories even took seats from Labour.

Starmer is a toxic brand to Labour and even more so now, having now being alleged and he himself, under criminal investigation, organising a piss up and curry night, during lockdown rules he voted for!

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Labour gained seats from a high baseline. I don't see how that's 'exceptionally bad'. And yes the Tories took seats from Labour, that happens when you have thousands of seats across the country up for election.

And you'll say the next leader is toxic as well.

Corbyn was toxic to the Labour brand. Starmer is just boring. Neutral.

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Will I really?

Not if it’s Andy Burnham I won’t.

See? ;)

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I think Starmer was the right person to clean up the Labour Party but they probably need someone else to capture the public's imagination. He did well on suggesting a windfall tax on energy companies but the vision that you had from Brown or Blair doesn't seem to be there.

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You’d love that if it was true. But it ain’t. Boris is living to fight another day or two yet.

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Only because there's nobody else. Once there's a clear successor he's a goner.

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Starmer started the political attacks on the PM. Don’t expect him not to fight fire with fire.

What is important is Ukraine, levelling up, tackling the cost of living crisis without damaging further the Covid-hit economy, ironing out the remaining Brexit issues and dealing effectively with the boat people.

That’s what the public want, but Starmer just wants to talk about cake.

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If the Sue Gray Report finds him guilty then he's toast. He's currently just the first sitting Prime Minister of the country to have been found to have broken the law.
He's no electoral asset to the Conservatives especially in the south of England. So the sooner they replace him, the better the Party's chances should be in the next election.

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The argument is all about cake. If the cake wasn’t presented, there would have been no allegation of a social event.

The PM and other members of the committee were gathered for a legitimate meeting. There were only two others who came in for a few minutes - his wife and the interior designer, both of whom were in regular contact with the PM and others on the committee.

So perhaps you should stop being rude and attacking me and concentrate on the facts, or it will seem to others that you’ve lost this argument.

Well, you have, actually. Good luck with the next crop of fines.

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Anyone else apart from me hearing the words, "Miss, he started it first!" :D

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I know that’s what you think, Andrew, but you would be wrong about that. Like you were wrong about Boris being toast if he was fined.

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Well, you look pretty daft complaining about the Conservatives attacking Labour when it’s self defence!

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Not sure I actually said that but never mind.
Happy to go on record and say that if Johnson stays then the Conservatives will not win a majority at the next election.

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Sir Keir Starmer’s Beergate defence sunk faster than a bottle of San Miguel

Why does his story keep changing, like that of the shiftiest defendant in a tight spot?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/186022...nce-sunk-fast/

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Indeed - Keir said in Jan that it was just 6, on Loose Women on Monday, it was 15, now Police are sending out 20 questionnaires to attendees of this Miners Hall event. Did he go to the Dianne Abbott School of Mathematics? :dozey:

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Shouldn't the questionnaires be a higher number anyway as they will be sent to both witnesses and participants? The extra five would be the staff working at Miners Hall, take away, etc.

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OK, you’re on!

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:handshake

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Sir beer ambushed by football shirt

Starmer’s Beergate own goal: Labour leader who said he'd been hard at work all day is pictured posing with football shirt on the same evening as THAT curry

Daily Mail can reveal that as well as eating a takeaway curry and drinking from a bottle of beer while campaigning in the North East, he also took time out to pose for a photograph and discuss a forthcoming football match.

It comes after the Labour leader changed his story again over the infamous event in Durham, admitting that ‘about 15’ people were present rather than six as he first claimed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-curry.html

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What's wrong with posing with the football shirt of a local team? Makes it seem more like campaigning ....

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He claimed he was working not posing and discussing the footy, as far as i can see he hasn't got a very good relationship with the truth,6 people turned into 15, Angie wasn't there then she was, there was no where to eat but there was, the curry n beer was spontaneous but was actually organised ..........

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Politicians (and lawyers) are masters of speaking the truth differently. They don't actually lie (intentionally) but what they say may not really be true as anyone else knows it. It's why they coach their phrases like "As far as I was aware/know/knew/informed". That way when challenged they can truthfully say that that is not exactly what they said.



Personally I'd like to see the weasels leaking this detail identified and investigated. It's one thing to bring to attention matters that really affect the nation and how it's run but this reporting of minor matters like cake or curry is really just nasty. A simple report to the police who then investigate and fine appropriately is possibly OK but think how you would feel if someone reported you for flexing the rules a little bit - there were 7 people in that gathering not the limit of 6.


We had to put up notices for our archery as an allowed activity because it's likely some dogooder could report that a group of people are gathered on a field together.

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Mind with all the booze on offer it's not surprising that so many can't remember a thing about anything.

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There is a lot wrong with it. Doesn’t come across as “Essential work”, to meet in doors, with other people, such as the photographer, his own team of 15 people, he’s not household members with, also presumably, someone from that specific club, all of which, that was not permitted under the coronavirus restrictions, Keir himself, voted for. You’re also forgetting campaigning was only allowed to be done outdoors, at the time.

If the Prime Minister can’t pose with a birthday cake, in his own place of work, without the consequences of a fine, Keir Starmer shouldn’t be allowed to pose in a football shirt. Granted the restrictions had been relaxed by the time of Beergate event, but the rules were not all that dissimilar.

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And for a bit of balance because as you well know politicians take any chance they can to look like a normal in-touch person....

Oh look an article with a photo of Boris posing with a footy shirt during a by election campaign in 2021. Strange though, the article also questions the expenditure on a private jet used to ferry free loading Bozza around too, so to sum up a footy shirt and and accusations of being bent to boot.