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Damien 17-01-2020 22:13
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023037)
Why are we debating this silly bong business? Is it the dearth of Brexit news that makes us grab these miserable crumbs?
One last hurrah for the people who want to be on TV having an outrage moment. I saw Mark Francois was back on the rounds bleeting on about having to have the bells.

Paul 18-01-2020 00:52
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£500,000 to make a bell ring.

I would do it for half that :D

Sephiroth 18-01-2020 09:04
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36023035)
I agree. I think celebrating Brexit would be distasteful, very un-British and insulting to our former EU partners who have done nothing wrong to us.
I too have Ben consistent in saying I’m happy to remain (and keep sticking it to them) and content to leave (they are undemocratic, federalist and serving the interests of France & Germany).

But to say they’ve done nothing wrong to us is stretching reasonableness somewhat. For starters, to suit French working practices, they changed the basis for the WTD from unanimity to a H&S wheeze so that our flexible working arrangements would come under their control.

Mr K 18-01-2020 10:55
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36023041)
One last hurrah for the people who want to be on TV having an outrage moment. I saw Mark Francois was back on the rounds bleeting on about having to have the bells.
He's got to be one of the most talentless pratts in Parliament, which is some achievement...

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023055)
[COLOR="Blue"]I too have Ben consistent in saying I’m happy to remain (and keep sticking it to them) and content to leave (they are undemocratic, federalist and serving the interests of France & Germany).
It is nice that the the thread has now become full of remain converts.. See, I knew CF members weren't all bad :).

We're missing the EU before we've left, maybe we've had a glimpse of the brave new future. Thing is, no matter how many may disown it in the coming years months or blame others for things going wrong (what's new ?!) Brexit ownership and it's consequences will be very much copywrite the Tory party.

Mick 18-01-2020 11:04
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023062)
He's got to be one of the most talentless pratts in Parliament, which is some achievement...
:zzz: here we go again, he’s a Brexiteer, so according to your warped findings, he has to be so bad. Change the record FFS. :rolleyes:

For the record. He got a far more interesting CV, than you will ever have.

But nonetheless. The above is a typical pathetic response from a hardline Remainer and chief moaner, who cannot accept their side lost, SEVERAL times!

papa smurf 18-01-2020 11:09
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Brexit: 'No alignment' with EU on regulation, Javid tells business

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933

Mick 18-01-2020 11:29
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023066)
Brexit: 'No alignment' with EU on regulation, Javid tells business

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933
As it should be. We’re leaving the EU’s corrupted policies behind, the whole point is, we are leaving our seat at the table, so we will not be a rule taker either.

1andrew1 18-01-2020 11:44
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023066)
Brexit: 'No alignment' with EU on regulation, Javid tells business

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933
To his credit, Javid knows the damage this will cause the country

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Sajid Javid: The only thing leaving the EU guarantees is a lost decade for British business
I was Culture Secretary at the time, and the company’s chief executive was explaining why they’d chosen the UK for their main base outside North America.
It had a lot to do with wealth of creative talent here. But the clincher was the Single Market – it meant they could broadcast to up to half a billion viewers across 28 countries and only have to deal with regulators in the UK. Thanks to common standards across Europe, they didn’t have to worry about meeting the demands of dozens of different local bureaucrats.
It was a similar story when I worked in financial services. If I wanted to seal a deal in, say, Paris, all I had to do was hop on a train, get the paperwork signed and head home again. My biggest worry was whether I’d be back in time to put the kids to bed.
I’m a Eurosceptic and proud of it. I think the Euro is a bad idea. I have no time for ever-closer union and I’ve long been a vocal critic of Brussels’ worst excesses.
But, just like Bank of England Governor Mark Carney and IMF head Christine Lagarde, I still believe that Britain is better off in. And that’s all because of the Single Market.
It’s a great invention, one that even Lady Thatcher campaigned enthusiastically to create.
The world’s largest economic bloc, it gives every business in Britain access to 500 million customers with no barriers, no tariffs and no local legislation to worry about.
It’s no surprise that nearly half of our exports go to other EU nations, exports that are linked to three million jobs here in the UK. And as an EU member we also have preferential access to more than 50 other international markets from Mexico to Montenegro, helping us to export £50 billion of goods and services to them every year.
Even companies that are neither exporters nor part of the export supply chain – your local corner shop, for example – benefit from the economic growth that kind of access brings.
https://www.sajidjavid.com/news/saji...itish-business

denphone 18-01-2020 12:24
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36023070)
To his credit, Javid knows the damage this will cause the country


https://www.sajidjavid.com/news/saji...itish-business
l does tie in with Boris Johnson's "**** business" agenda so they are singing from the same hymn sheet though.;)

Mick 18-01-2020 13:05
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36023070)
To his credit, Javid knows the damage this will cause the country


https://www.sajidjavid.com/news/saji...itish-business
Isn’t it funny how “People in a true democracy can change their minds.” But only when it benefits those with a one sided agenda.

1andrew1 18-01-2020 13:12
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36023075)
Isn’t it funny how “People in a true democracy can change their minds.” But only when it benefits those with a one sided agenda.
Has Javid actually changed his mind?

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36023073)
l does tie in with Boris Johnson's "**** business" agenda so they are singing from the same hymn sheet though.;)
Airbus and Vauxhall can't be too happy. I really hope that it's just pre-negotiation posturing.

Pierre 18-01-2020 15:54
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023055)
I too have Ben consistent in saying I’m happy to remain (and keep sticking it to them) and content to leave (they are undemocratic, federalist and serving the interests of France & Germany).

But to say they’ve done nothing wrong to us is stretching reasonableness somewhat. For starters, to suit French working practices, they changed the basis for the WTD from unanimity to a H&S wheeze so that our flexible working arrangements would come under their control.
Everything the EU did, whilst we were members, we were party to.

Hugh 18-01-2020 16:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023055)
I too have Ben consistent in saying I’m happy to remain (and keep sticking it to them) and content to leave (they are undemocratic, federalist and serving the interests of France & Germany).

But to say they’ve done nothing wrong to us is stretching reasonableness somewhat. For starters, to suit French working practices, they changed the basis for the WTD from unanimity to a H&S wheeze so that our flexible working arrangements would come under their control.
Yes, what utter barstewards, ensuring workers the right to at least 4 weeks in paid holidays each year, rest breaks, and rest of at least 11 hours in any 24 hours; restricting excessive night work; a day off after a week's work; and provides for a right to work no more than 48 hours per week.

Sephiroth 18-01-2020 16:27
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023086)
Yes, what utter barstewards, ensuring workers the right to at least 4 weeks in paid holidays each year, rest breaks, and rest of at least 11 hours in any 24 hours; restricting excessive night work; a day off after a week's work; and provides for a right to work no more than 48 hours per week.
That has to be set off against the fear of France and others that UK working practices gave the UK a potential advantage. So they stiffed us - albet people in the UK have the right to opt out.

Hugh 18-01-2020 17:32
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What UK working practices gave us advantages, please?

Sephiroth 18-01-2020 17:48
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023089)
What UK working practices gave us advantages, please?

https://infacts.org/briefings/working-time-directive/

I'd rather turn that on its head and show what's wrong with the WTD. Of course there'll be those who prefer to pick out the good bits and ignore the anti-democratic & nanny state aspects. To me, the nanny state aspects and appeasement of France put the legislation beyond the pale; the unions would have negotiated much of the good stuff (e.g. 4 weeks' paid holidays) into UK law. We didn't need legislation that really suited France.

Damien 18-01-2020 18:28
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36023064)
:zzz: here we go again, he’s a Brexiteer, so according to your warped findings, he has to be so bad. Change the record FFS. :rolleyes:

For the record. He got a far more interesting CV, than you will ever have.

But nonetheless. The above is a typical pathetic response from a hardline Remainer and chief moaner, who cannot accept their side lost, SEVERAL times!
Mark Francois isn't exactly a great advert for a Brexiter though. He is an attention seeking Walter Mitty character. There are far more respectable, intelligent and admirable Brexit supporters than he. There is a reason he is always on television all the time, it's because he is willing to parrot whatever nonsense the producers of a show want so long as he gets publicity.

And once again to make it clear this isn't true of Brexit supporters as a whole. I want to make it 100% clear this is about Mark Francois specifically. Not you or anyone else on here, not Gove or Johnson, not Vote Leave or Brexit voters. It's him specifically I think is a moron.

Sephiroth 18-01-2020 18:43
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36023095)
Mark Francois isn't exactly a great advert for a Brexiter though. He is an attention seeking Walter Mitty character. There are far more respectable, intelligent and admirable Brexit supporters than he. There is a reason he is always on television all the time, it's because he is willing to parrot whatever nonsense the producers of a show want so long as he gets publicity.

And once again to make it clear this isn't true of Brexit supporters as a whole. I want to make it 100% clear this is about Mark Francois specifically. Not you or anyone else on here, not Gove or Johnson, not Vote Leave or Brexit voters. It's him specifically I think is a moron.
Agreed. I rate Farage (as I now await the onslaught).

papa smurf 18-01-2020 19:02
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Big ben bonging would just drown out the whimpering and moaning, i shall celebrate at home with a few discrete fireworks [big buggers]and a few glasses of lager.


a bit of dancing.

some cheering.

denphone 18-01-2020 19:32
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023098)
Big ben bonging would just drown out the whimpering and moaning, i shall celebrate at home with a few discrete fireworks [big buggers]and a few glasses of lager.


a bit of dancing.

some cheering.
Who is whimpering and moaning as l wish we could get out of this winners and losers mentality in this country as l just don't think given the deep divisions in this country that any celebratory triumphalism is not the road that we should be going down.

papa smurf 18-01-2020 19:40
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36023100)
Who is whimpering and moaning as l wish we could get out of this winners and losers mentality in this country as l just don't think given the deep divisions in this country that any celebratory triumphalism is not the road that we should be going down.
I expect a lot of whimpering and moaning on the day,i feel everyone should be celebrating on the 31st as we are all leavers now,lets all celebrate this momentous day together.

denphone 18-01-2020 19:51
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023101)
I expect a lot of whimpering and moaning on the day,i feel everyone should be celebrating on the 31st as we are all leavers now,lets all celebrate this momentous day together.
Far more momentous for our family is my brother turns 50 during that week.

1andrew1 18-01-2020 20:22
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023101)
I expect a lot of whimpering and moaning on the day,i feel everyone should be celebrating on the 31st as we are all leavers now,lets all celebrate this momentous day together.
To me, 31 January doesn't alter things much, except we'll lose our political influence in Europe. More noteworthy will be when we leave in full, which allegedly is the end of the year.

Hugh 18-01-2020 20:45
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023093)


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What UK working practices gave us advantages, please?
https://infacts.org/briefings/working-time-directive/

I'd rather turn that on its head and show what's wrong with the WTD. Of course there'll be those who prefer to pick out the good bits and ignore the anti-democratic & nanny state aspects. To me, the nanny state aspects and appeasement of France put the legislation beyond the pale; the unions would have negotiated much of the good stuff (e.g. 4 weeks' paid holidays) into UK law. We didn't need legislation that really suited France.
Sorry, I couldn’t see anything in that article that provided answers to my question...

Could you highlight/quote the part that did, please?

Sephiroth 18-01-2020 21:51
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I turned your question on its head because my position sits in the camp that France in particular wanted to shackle us to their un-competitive working practices.

1andrew1 18-01-2020 22:45
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023108)
I turned your question on its head because my position sits in the camp that France in particular wanted to shackle us to their un-competitive working practices.
Looks like they've succeeded with all the red tape that will be imposed on British industry next year. ;)

Carth 18-01-2020 23:07
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36023110)
Looks like they've succeeded with all the red tape that will be imposed on British industry next year. ;)
British Industry? What rock are they hiding under?

TheDaddy 19-01-2020 05:41
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023096)
Agreed. I rate Farage (as I now await the onslaught).
I do to, he makes it easy to follow his message and has a likeability lacking in so many politicians plus unlike bozo he actually believed in what he was peddling

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023101)
I expect a lot of whimpering and moaning on the day,i feel everyone should be celebrating on the 31st as we are all leavers now,lets all celebrate this momentous day together.
Really, I expect for the vast majority of us it'll just be another day. Lets hope the lack of a bong isn't an omenfor brexit itself though. I also hope your fireworks don't turn out to be a damp squib

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023108)
I turned your question on its head because my position sits in the camp that France in particular wanted to shackle us to their un-competitive working practices.
Yes release us so we can be more competitive with those other countries where workers often find suicide is more preferable than returning to work after lunch and make that woman who gave birth in Amazon's toilets the norm not the exception. Tbh though the rights I think they'll go after aren't the ones that make us uncompetitive it'll be the ones that make it harder to discriminate against us or terminate our employment that go and I'm prepared to put money on it and when that comes to pass I'd be grateful if someone could explain why or how that's made us more competitive

papa smurf 19-01-2020 10:00
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36023120)
I do to, he makes it easy to follow his message and has a likeability lacking in so many politicians plus unlike bozo he actually believed in what he was peddling



Really, I expect for the vast majority of us it'll just be another day. Lets hope the lack of a bong isn't an omenfor brexit itself though. I also hope your fireworks don't turn out to be a damp squib



Yes release us so we can be more competitive with those other countries where workers often find suicide is more preferable than returning to work after lunch and make that woman who gave birth in Amazon's toilets the norm not the exception. Tbh though the rights I think they'll go after aren't the ones that make us uncompetitive it'll be the ones that make it harder to discriminate against us or terminate our employment that go and I'm prepared to put money on it and when that comes to pass I'd be grateful if someone could explain why or how that's made us more competitive
The 31st is an excellent opportunity not only to celebrate but to heal the rift over a few banger's and lots of beer.
we leavers are ready to come together with our remainer friends to build a great future.

Mr K 19-01-2020 10:08
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023129)
The 31st is an excellent opportunity not only to celebrate but to heal the rift over a few banger's and lots of beer.
we leavers are ready to come together with our remainer friends to build a great future.
But not much is really happening on the 31st. We'll still be paying into the EU, following EU rules on 1st Feb, just we'll lose voting rights and influence. That might continue for years.

It is a Friday and granted, that is an excuse for beer, but that's the only reason !

papa smurf 19-01-2020 10:35
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023130)
But not much is really happening on the 31st. We'll still be paying into the EU, following EU rules on 1st Feb, just we'll lose voting rights and influence. That might continue for years.

It is a Friday and granted, that is an excuse for beer, but that's the only reason !
Jesus:rolleyes: Ebeneezer Have a day off from your bah humbug life,get with the program, we are leaving you might as well just accept it and enjoy the benefits coming your way , have you bunged a bob for a Big Ben bong?;)

1andrew1 19-01-2020 11:13
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023135)
Jesus:rolleyes: Ebeneezer Have a day off from your bah humbug life,get with the program, we are leaving you might as well just accept it and enjoy the benefits coming your way , have you bunged a bob for a Big Ben bong?;)
Based on what the Brexiter Patrick Minford says about UK manufacturing post-Brexit, "benefits coming your way" may be all too accurate a term for some.

Gavin78 19-01-2020 15:05
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I've given up caring now for any little sympathy I might have had for remain voters. Let them sulk I don't even debate brexit with them now. It's happening and that is not pretty much the end of it all.

They don't have to like the celebration coming but well that is life, They can have their own misery party instead.

1andrew1 20-01-2020 22:47
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I thought this must be a parody account, but it's real! :D
Quote:
June Mummery. Brexit Party MEP for East of England.
@june_mummery
Attending the penultimate session of the #EuropeanParliament’s #FisheriesCommittee #PECHcommittee) with #BritishMEPs. The big question now is, who will be here to hold these people to account while they still control Britain’s waters, but the UK has no representation?
https://twitter.com/june_mummery/sta...67050574618626

heero_yuy 21-01-2020 11:02
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Quote from City A.M. More than 1000 banks, asset managers, payments firms and insurers from the European Union are planning to open offices in post-Brexit Britain so they can continue to serve UK clients.

The new offices would help financial firms counter the loss of business as unrestricted two-way access between the UK and EU comes to an end in December following a Brexit transition period.

Over 1,000 of these firms do not currently have an office in the UK, suggesting they intend to establish their first office after the UK’s departure from the EU on 31 January.

“These figures clearly show that many firms see the UK as Europe’s premier financial services hub,” said Michael Johnson, a consultant at Bovill.
So much for loosing the City to Hamburg.

Quote:
Quote from ITV news: The IMF’s assessment of the UK prospects over next two year is relatively upbeat.

It predicts that growth will “stabilise” at 1.4% in 2020 and 1% in 2021, weak by UK historical standards but growth none-the-less and stronger growth than the IMF is predicting for Germany, France and Japan.
UK powering away from the rotting EU corpse.

pip08456 21-01-2020 11:18
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36023276)
So much for loosing the City to Hamburg.



UK powering away from the rotting EU corpse.
But, but, but Project Fear was telling the stark truth so this must be fake news!
Don't forget the experts telling us our financial place as the capital of the world were using tried and trusted methods of coming to that position as were those other experts saying we would be in recession.

jonbxx 22-01-2020 09:30
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I thought we didn't believe economic forecasts as they were always wrong...

Looking at original report (link) there were some interesting points made;

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In the United Kingdom, growth is expected to stabilize at 1.4 percent in 2020 and firm up to 1.5 percent in 2021—unchanged from the October WEO. The growth forecast assumes an orderly exit from the European Union at the end of January followed by a gradual transition to a new economic relationship.
(my emphasis)

This is highlighted in the ITV report but there also appears to be a typo in that report on growth, it's not 1% but 1.5% in 2021.

The Eurozone and in particular Germany are being held back by softness in the manufacturing sector. The UKs GDP from manufacturing is only 9% of the total GDP while for Germany it's 21%. In terms of currency, it's $60bn for the UK vs. $185bn so it's a big exposure...

The general trends in manufacturing are the same for Germany and the UK however.

GDP Data for UK
GDP Data for Germany

Hugh 22-01-2020 09:47
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Also, the German Government has had a budget surplus for most of the last decade, unlike the UK, and it’s national debt is around 62% of GDP (vs UK’s 81%), so it has a bit of a buffer.

tweetiepooh 22-01-2020 10:49
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023135)
Jesus:rolleyes: Ebeneezer Have a day off from your bah humbug life,get with the program, we are leaving you might as well just accept it and enjoy the benefits coming your way , have you bunged a bob for a Big Ben bong?;)
I don't think that we should ring out Big Ben. Yes I support leave but we should be gracious about it especially since much of London voted remain. I'm pleased but am I celebratory - not really.

pip08456 22-01-2020 11:30
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36023375)
I don't think that we should ring out Big Ben. Yes I support leave but we should be gracious about it especially since much of London voted remain. I'm pleased but am I celebratory - not really.
All the more reason to get Ben to bong!:D:D:D

papa smurf 22-01-2020 11:35
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36023379)
All the more reason to get Ben to bong!:D:D:D
I agree, London may not have voted leave but the UK did and big Ben is for the many not the few ;)
I am willing to put all the arguments to bed and celebrate as a United Kingdom.

Sephiroth 22-01-2020 12:43
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Bottle of champus will do me and the missus (aka “them”).

Hugh 22-01-2020 13:16
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Bottle of champus will do me and the missus (aka “them”).
Bit different, but whatever works for you (and SWMBO)... :D

Champus

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1579698957

papa smurf 22-01-2020 13:27
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023387)
Bit different, but whatever works for you (and SWMBO)... :D

Champus

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1579698957
Looks like someone has barfed in it.

Sephiroth 22-01-2020 15:22
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023387)
Bit different, but whatever works for you (and SWMBO)... :D

Champus

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1579698957
German parlance for champagne. Irony.

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btw - there is/was a French fizzy drink called pssschitt.

papa smurf 22-01-2020 15:45
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023395)
German parlance for champagne. Irony.

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btw - there is/was a French fizzy drink called pssschitt.




Most of it is.

Hugh 22-01-2020 18:51
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023395)
German parlance for champagne. Irony.

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btw - there is/was a French fizzy drink called pssschitt.
Thanks for the clarification- learn something new every day.

In (West) Berlin, it was called Schampus, which we thought was just a localisation of "champers"...

Chris 22-01-2020 19:44
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As predicted, the Commons threw out all the Lords’ amendments, and the hardline remainers in the so-called upper chamber finally - finally - accepted it’s time for the will of the people to be respected. They have passed the bill without further game playing and it now awaits Her Maj’s autograph.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51210602

heero_yuy 22-01-2020 20:02
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A commanding majority puts paid to all the silly remainer games.

If Maybot hadn't made such a hash of the last election we'd have been here a lot earlier. :rolleyes: But then her heart was never in it.

Mr K 22-01-2020 20:20
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36023429)
A commanding majority puts paid to all the silly remainer games.

If Maybot hadn't made such a hash of the last election we'd have been here a lot earlier. :rolleyes: But then her heart was never in it.
If you think Bozzos heart is in anything but himself, you're very much mistaken. Brexit is just a vehicle for him. Remember the pro Remain article he wrote, before changing his mind, on what was best for him....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7363781.html

Sephiroth 22-01-2020 20:44
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023407)
Thanks for the clarification- learn something new every day.

In (West) Berlin, it was called Schampus, which we thought was just a localisation of "champers"...
Yes - I must defer to your spelling!

1andrew1 22-01-2020 22:22
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023371)
Also, the German Government has had a budget surplus for most of the last decade, unlike the UK, and it’s national debt is around 62% of GDP (vs UK’s 81%), so it has a bit of a buffer.
I thought we were out-performing the EU but now you have to go and spoil it all for us with your pesky facts. ;)

pip08456 23-01-2020 15:12
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Deputy Speaker has announced the EU withdrawal agreement bill has been granted royal assent and officially signed into law.

Chris 23-01-2020 15:49
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
:beer:

Sephiroth 23-01-2020 15:51
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36023479)
:beer:
Schampus.

Mick 23-01-2020 16:02
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36023476)
Deputy Speaker has announced the EU withdrawal agreement bill has been granted royal assent and officially signed into law.
WOOT!!! :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1576240172

Chris 23-01-2020 16:20
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Wonder what he's doing now ....

Mick 23-01-2020 16:41
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36023483)
Wonder what he's doing now ....
Probably cleaning the Westminster apartment he was lent and has now been given his marching orders. Allegedly. ;)

heero_yuy 23-01-2020 17:23
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
His megaphone got restyled a couple of days ago. :D

papa smurf 23-01-2020 17:27
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36023489)
His megaphone got restyled a couple of days ago. :D
I saw the video it made me chuckle ;)

Pierre 24-01-2020 17:03
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36023439)
I thought we were out-performing the EU but now you have to go and spoil it all for us with your pesky facts. ;)
We jus need to get on with it and make it as successful as we can, because naval gazing is pointless because one thing I will guarantee is that in five years time politicians and economists will be able to cite reports and data that proves:

1. Brexit was good for the country, and

2. Brexit was bad for the country.

TheDaddy 24-01-2020 17:10
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36023557)
We jus need to get on with it and make it as successful as we can, because naval gazing is pointless because one thing I will guarantee is that in five years time politicians and economists will be able to cite reports and data that proves:

1. Brexit was good for the country, and

2. Brexit was bad for the country.
And that the extremists won't accept the data that doesn't correlate with their specified agenda

Sephiroth 24-01-2020 17:13
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
When it was all argument and rage, BBC couldn't leave Brexit alone.
Now, something as important as conclusion of the legislative process barely gets a mention.

The BBC's hypocrisy, pretending to be even handed, is staggering.

papa smurf 24-01-2020 17:20
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023559)
When it was all argument and rage, BBC couldn't leave Brexit alone.
Now, something as important as conclusion of the legislative process barely gets a mention.

The BBC's hypocrisy, pretending to be even handed, is staggering.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51234625 it was in the politics section, don't know if it's been on the telly.


this on sky https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-de...-week-11915538

Sephiroth 24-01-2020 17:47
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023560)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51234625 it was in the politics section, don't know if it's been on the telly.


this on sky https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-de...-week-11915538
Yeah - that's what prompted me to write. It#s now in a backwater not the main thing.

papa smurf 24-01-2020 17:53
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023564)
Yeah - that's what prompted me to write. It#s now in a backwater not the main thing.
To be fair the beeb don't want us to leave,one can tell by the look on jo coburns face on the daily politics show,sky aint much better with Adam boultan's all out remaining show ;)

Sephiroth 24-01-2020 18:29
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023565)
To be fair the beeb don't want us to leave,one can tell by the look on jo coburns face on the daily politics show,sky aint much better with Adam boultan's all out remaining show ;)
The Beeb is not being fair.

papa smurf 24-01-2020 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023568)
The Beeb is not being fair.
That's why the license needs scrapping.

Sephiroth 24-01-2020 19:32
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023573)
That's why the license needs scrapping.
No harm in scrapping the BBC. ITV, Channel 4 and Sky can do the job (Sky needs a bit of impartiality training).

TheDaddy 24-01-2020 20:57
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023573)
That's why the license needs scrapping.
I'd have voted leave if I'd know that'd be the result

Chris 25-01-2020 14:27
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Nice piece of divergence news:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51240785

Quote:
Universities and Science Minister Chris Skidmore has said that the UK will not implement the EU Copyright Directive after the country leaves the EU.
Several companies have criticised the law, which would hold them accountable for not removing copyrighted content uploaded by users, if it is passed.

Mr K 25-01-2020 17:45
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36023607)
Nice piece of divergence news:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51240785
Yes that is lovely and certainly worth the last 4 years, and our future economic decline ! :rolleyes:

papa smurf 25-01-2020 17:59
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023613)
Yes that is lovely and certainly worth the last 4 years, and our future economic decline ! :rolleyes:
Nice to see you're as happy and upbeat as ever,and looking forward to the future;)

Pierre 25-01-2020 19:20
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023613)
Yes that is lovely and certainly worth the last 4 years, and our future economic decline ! :rolleyes:
Let the negativity go, you’ll feel better for it.

papa smurf 27-01-2020 09:26
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Reading this has given me a feeling of warm fuzziness and joy.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...-boris-johnson

Brexit outrage: Remainers say they will refuse to use EU exit commemoration coins


The new coin, a 50 pence piece, features the message: “Peace, prosperity, and friendship with all nations” as well as the Brexit date in smaller writing at the bottom.

Despite the coin's apparently benevolent message, pro-EU campaigners responded with outrage.

Lord Adonis, a Labour peer who has fought ardently to reverse Brexit, tweeted: “I am never using or accepting this coin.”

Meanwhile, Alistair Campbell, Tony Blair’s former spin doctor, shared a similar message as he claimed he will ask till workers for change to make up the 50p should he receive one in the future.


What a sad affair this losing the referendum is turning into.
anyhoo ill take as many as i can get could be worth a few quid in the future.

Mr K 27-01-2020 09:39
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023714)
Reading this has given me a feeling of warm fuzziness and joy.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...-boris-johnson

Brexit outrage: Remainers say they will refuse to use EU exit commemoration coins


The new coin, a 50 pence piece, features the message: “Peace, prosperity, and friendship with all nations” as well as the Brexit date in smaller writing at the bottom.

Despite the coin's apparently benevolent message, pro-EU campaigners responded with outrage.

Lord Adonis, a Labour peer who has fought ardently to reverse Brexit, tweeted: “I am never using or accepting this coin.”

Meanwhile, Alistair Campbell, Tony Blair’s former spin doctor, shared a similar message as he claimed he will ask till workers for change to make up the 50p should he receive one in the future.


What a sad affair this losing the referendum is turning into.
anyhoo ill take as many as i can get could be worth a few quid in the future.
Third time lucky I guess, the first two attempts at this had to be melted down... If you could have got hold of one of those they would be valuable !

I do like the design though ;)
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/01/4.jpg

papa smurf 27-01-2020 10:07
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023719)
Third time lucky I guess, the first two attempts at this had to be melted down... If you could have got hold of one of those they would be valuable !

I do like the design though ;)
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/01/4.jpg
That's the Scottish version;)

Hom3r 27-01-2020 18:38
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
If my brother In-law is up for it I will be in London on Friday to celebrate with my fellow Brexiteers.

Sephiroth 27-01-2020 18:54
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
You’ve all noticed, I hope, that the EU has started bullying us in the form of the perfidious Varadkar saying that they are bigger than we are.

He needs being taught a lesson.

Chris 27-01-2020 19:36
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Varadkar faces an election in a couple of weeks, just ignore him. He’s an Anglophobic twunt who only knows how to appeal to the Anglophobic vote in Ireland.

Mr K 27-01-2020 20:06
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023759)
You’ve all noticed, I hope, that the EU has started bullying us in the form of the perfidious Varadkar saying that they are bigger than we are.

He needs being taught a lesson.
I see 'perfidious' is back :D

As for 'teaching him a lesson' maybe he should be horse whipped and told to go back to living off potatoes, we are after all far superior... Tally ho, and down with Johnny Foreigner... Will this country never learn?

He's just speaking common sense anyway. 27 versus 1, who is going to have a stronger hand, and who would be hurt most by no deal? Ireland as part of that 27 are now bigger than the us.

nomadking 27-01-2020 20:23
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I'm sure that anybody else trying to negotiate a trade deal with the EU is going to be reassured that it's going to be completely fair and balanced, in the EU's favour.:rolleyes: Or is this all aimed just at the UK, ie England?


The Irish are the one that lose massively if there is no future deal.
Link
Quote:
He previously said that a no-deal Brexit would case a “very uncomfortable period” for the Irish people.
In a worst case scenario there could be huge number of job losses and a drop in living standards due to a loss of trade in the weeks after Brexit.
They are extremely reliant on the UK because of geography(ie we are between them and everywhere else) and language. Same would go for an independent Scotland or Wales.

Damien 27-01-2020 20:55
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023769)
I'm sure that anybody else trying to negotiate a trade deal with the EU is going to be reassured that it's going to be completely fair and balanced, in the EU's favour.:rolleyes: Or is this all aimed just at the UK, ie England?
It's everyone, everyone entering a trade deal is looking out for themselves.

---------- Post added at 20:55 ---------- Previous post was at 20:53 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023759)
You’ve all noticed, I hope, that the EU has started bullying us in the form of the perfidious Varadkar saying that they are bigger than we are.

He needs being taught a lesson.
Not a geographic lesson since the EU is bigger than we are. ;)

nomadking 27-01-2020 21:56
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36023771)
It's everyone, everyone entering a trade deal is looking out for themselves.

---------- Post added at 20:55 ---------- Previous post was at 20:53 ----------

Not a geographic lesson since the EU is bigger than we are. ;)
So what other trade deals or negotiations that have been agreed are based upon getting a massive superiority? The general idea is that both sides should benefit in some way. It's arrogant and just plain nasty to try and impose a supposed "superiority".



Quote:
Around 4,000 or 60-70% of medicines in Ireland come from or via the UK and the Government has confirmed this supply will be threatened by a no-deal Brexit.
...
There are also growing fears that there could be fuel shortages as most of the petrol and diesel we use here comes from the UK.
...
It’s a business around €4.6 billion each year and the new taxes which will be imposed after Brexit will mean it will hundreds of euro more to heat their homes.
...
Around two-thirds of the products on Irish supermarket shelves are made in the UK or come through that country.
...
Irish trawlers could be banned from fishing in UK waters and Agriculture Minister Michael Creed said up to 4,000 jobs could be lost in the 10,000-strong fishing industry if Britain takes back complete control of its fishing water rights.
So who has the "power"? The problem is that those in charge are too weak willed and lily livered to do anything but give in on our behalf.

Paul 27-01-2020 22:43
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023714)
Reading this has given me a feeling of warm fuzziness and joy.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...-boris-johnson

Brexit outrage: Remainers say they will refuse to use EU exit commemoration coins
Well the stupid whining whingers are free to send all their 50p coins to me, I'll happily spend them. :dozey:

1andrew1 27-01-2020 22:51
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023759)
You’ve all noticed, I hope, that the EU has started bullying us in the form of the perfidious Varadkar saying that they are bigger than we are.

He needs being taught a lesson.
Well, they are bigger than us so I don't think he needs a lesson in size. :confused:
But I'm pleased to see he has inspired usage of this thread's favourite phrase. ;)

jonbxx 28-01-2020 08:48
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023714)
Reading this has given me a feeling of warm fuzziness and joy.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...-boris-johnson

Brexit outrage: Remainers say they will refuse to use EU exit commemoration coins


The new coin, a 50 pence piece, features the message: “Peace, prosperity, and friendship with all nations” as well as the Brexit date in smaller writing at the bottom.

Despite the coin's apparently benevolent message, pro-EU campaigners responded with outrage.

Lord Adonis, a Labour peer who has fought ardently to reverse Brexit, tweeted: “I am never using or accepting this coin.”

Meanwhile, Alistair Campbell, Tony Blair’s former spin doctor, shared a similar message as he claimed he will ask till workers for change to make up the 50p should he receive one in the future.


What a sad affair this losing the referendum is turning into.
anyhoo ill take as many as i can get could be worth a few quid in the future.
I'm going to save all my Brexit 50p coins and buy the biggest gammon I can at the end of the transition period

Hugh 28-01-2020 09:06
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023774)
So what other trade deals or negotiations that have been agreed are based upon getting a massive superiority? The general idea is that both sides should benefit in some way. It's arrogant and just plain nasty to try and impose a supposed "superiority".



So who has the "power"? The problem is that those in charge are too weak willed and lily livered to do anything but give in on our behalf.
You're confusing superiority with reality - try negotiating with Sainsburys about your grocery shopping prices...

The problem is that it appears the UK wants all the benefits of being in the EU without the costs (monetary or legal) - that wouldn't be 'negotiations' for the EU, that would be capitulation.

Negotiations are based on mutual benefits only if both sides have things that benefit the other without undermining the basic structure of the organisations.

Sephiroth 28-01-2020 09:13
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36023771)
It's everyone, everyone entering a trade deal is looking out for themselves.

---------- Post added at 20:55 ---------- Previous post was at 20:53 ----------



Not a geographic lesson since the EU is bigger than we are. ;)
Have you and Mr K deliberately ignored the point I made about bullying?

---------- Post added at 09:13 ---------- Previous post was at 09:12 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36023778)
Well, they are bigger than us so I don't think he needs a lesson in size. :confused:
But I'm pleased to see he has inspired usage of this thread's favourite phrase. ;)
The lesson he needs teaching is that bullying is bad practice.

Mick 28-01-2020 09:41
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36023777)
Well the stupid whining whingers are free to send all their 50p coins to me, I'll happily spend them. :dozey:
Same here. What a bunch of big babies all these pathetic dummy spitters are, over a damn coin. They all need to get a grip FFS. :rolleyes:

nomadking 28-01-2020 09:48
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023783)
You're confusing superiority with reality - try negotiating with Sainsburys about your grocery shopping prices...

The problem is that it appears the UK wants all the benefits of being in the EU without the costs (monetary or legal) - that wouldn't be 'negotiations' for the EU, that would be capitulation.

Negotiations are based on mutual benefits only if both sides have things that benefit the other without undermining the basic structure of the organisations.
Most of the money spent by the EU has little to do with the operation of the single market etc. Why does Poland get 9billion a year from the EU? Other than things like the EU commission, single market costs are largely borne by the individual states. They charge us such a huge unrepresentative amount that we have to be given a 66% rebate. The EU's intention has always been to remove that rebate. Don't want to dig out the figures and previous posts again, but even with the rebate, the UK pays a higher %age of GNI(Gross Nation Income) than Germany.



If a product is sold in the EU, then it is subject to EU law, wherever it has come from. Similarly any product sold in the UK(outside of the EU) is subject to UK law, NOT EU LAW. If we internally decide to follow an EU rule, then that is OUR choice, and not because Germany or France insist on it for their own countries agenda.


Why would small countries like Vietnam, do a trade deal with the EU if it's so biased in the EU's favour? Isn't the whole ethos of the EU meant to be mutual cooperation?

Sephiroth 28-01-2020 09:57
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023787)
<SNIP (valid stuff though)>


Why would small countries like Vietnam, do a trade deal with the EU if it's so biased in the EU's favour? Isn't the whole ethos of the EU meant to be mutual cooperation?
... Varadkar style.

Hugh 28-01-2020 11:27
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023784)
Have you and Mr K deliberately ignored the point I made about bullying?

---------- Post added at 09:13 ---------- Previous post was at 09:12 ----------



The lesson he needs teaching is that bullying is bad practice.
"not giving us everything we want"does not equal "bullying"

---------- Post added at 11:27 ---------- Previous post was at 11:24 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023787)
Most of the money spent by the EU has little to do with the operation of the single market etc. Why does Poland get 9billion a year from the EU? Other than things like the EU commission, single market costs are largely borne by the individual states. They charge us such a huge unrepresentative amount that we have to be given a 66% rebate. The EU's intention has always been to remove that rebate. Don't want to dig out the figures and previous posts again, but even with the rebate, the UK pays a higher %age of GNI(Gross Nation Income) than Germany.



If a product is sold in the EU, then it is subject to EU law, wherever it has come from. Similarly any product sold in the UK(outside of the EU) is subject to UK law, NOT EU LAW. If we internally decide to follow an EU rule, then that is OUR choice, and not because Germany or France insist on it for their own countries agenda.


Why would small countries like Vietnam, do a trade deal with the EU if it's so biased in the EU's favour? Isn't the whole ethos of the EU meant to be mutual cooperation?
Thank for not taking into account any of my points... ;)

As I said above

Quote:
Negotiations are based on mutual benefits only if both sides have things that benefit the other without undermining the basic structure of the organisations.
Vietnam has things that the EU want, and vice versa - what they didn't do was try to get a better deal just because they were Vietnam...

nomadking 28-01-2020 11:40
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023789)
"not giving us everything we want"does not equal "bullying"

---------- Post added at 11:27 ---------- Previous post was at 11:24 ----------

Thank for not taking into account any of my points... ;)

As I said above

Vietnam has things that the EU want, and vice versa - what they didn't do was try to get a better deal just because they were Vietnam...
So does Vietnam have it's laws in Vietnam set by the EU? What happens in Vietnam is a matter for the Vietnamese, just as what happens in the UK is a matter for the UK. What is so complicated about that? It's only the UK that is planned to be undermined in any and every way possible. The other EU countries undermine the EU far more than the UK ever will.

papa smurf 28-01-2020 15:18
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Ode to joy

Remainers plot to make European Union anthem top the music charts on Brexit day

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eral-democrats

Presumably it's the joy of leaving.

Mick 28-01-2020 16:42
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023817)
Ode to joy

Remainers plot to make European Union anthem top the music charts on Brexit day

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eral-democrats

Presumably it's the joy of leaving.
So, they're trying to get a Classical hit that is meant to symbolise peace for all things EU, but this week is the Holocaust & 75th Auschwitz anniversary, and Ode to joy, was said to have been played on Hitlers Birthday's.... are they really that sick in the head, their beloved need to remain in a disgusting and corrupt EU, that they would bring that to the top of the charts, in the same week... ?

Quote:
Since then, the powerful emotions aroused by the symphony have been harnessed for good and ill. Hitler had it played on birthdays and included it in Nazi propaganda films.
https://ig.ft.com/life-of-a-song/ode-to-joy.html

Damien 28-01-2020 17:00
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
However silly the chart thing is Ode to Joy is a really famous piece of music which no one really associates strongly with Hitler. It's used all the time for everything and Hitler was no doubt tapping into that as well. It's very tenuous to suggest playing Ode to Joy on Holocaust Memorial Week is somehow insensitive. Hitler also liked Bavarian Beer Halls but they don't close on Holocaust Memorial Week.

Ode to Joy is also used in Peggle when you clear all the pins, I don't think they used it in a sick celebration of Hitler either.

Just call it for what it is, a juvenile and impotent stunt. Not much need to drag the Holocaust into it.

papa smurf 28-01-2020 17:28
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Adolf Hitler adored the Ninth Symphony. Musicians waiting for their deaths in Nazi concentration camps were ordered to play it, metaphorically twisting its closing call to universal brotherhood and joy into a terrifying, sneering parody of all that strives for light in a human soul.


https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...ny-a-rest.html

Mr K 28-01-2020 17:39
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
It's a great tune, better than anything else in the charts, and certainly makes you proud to be European ;) But will Beethoven get the royalties ?

---------- Post added at 17:39 ---------- Previous post was at 17:31 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023826)
Adolf Hitler adored the Ninth Symphony. Musicians waiting for their deaths in Nazi concentration camps were ordered to play it, metaphorically twisting its closing call to universal brotherhood and joy into a terrifying, sneering parody of all that strives for light in a human soul.


https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...ny-a-rest.html
He also liked dogs and painting, so should all dogs and paintings be hated too?

Some Brexiteers just end up looking silly billlies with their anti European paranoia. Hope they won't be touching the new Made in France passports or they may explode with rage..... Who else is left to hate after Brexit? I'm guessing the BBC, the poor, the disabled or anyone who isn't like them basically.

Sephiroth 28-01-2020 19:44
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023789)
"not giving us everything we want"does not equal "bullying"
Oh please. We haven't asked for anything yet - other than a comprehensive trade deal. They're demanding (as bullies) 25 year fishing rights, ECJ jurisdiction over trade and being spat on by the perfidious Varadkar.

Why are you being like this?


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