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<---- This party's very high polling, weeks after being launched, is evident that the British people want Brexit. He is nothing like Trump in any way, shape or form and we are not turning this thread in to a whole debate about it.

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Jeremy Kyle has been binned, so there is still hope that he will be too.

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It's proof that some want it but that's never been in question. Probably more proof that leavers despair in the competence of the Conservatives as exemplified by Failing Grayling and his money tree.

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It isn't BP policy but he has at least said in the past he wants to move to an insurance based system. He didn't used to deny it, only saying UKIP didn't choose to do so, until now. It's not clear what insurance type healthcare system he meant.

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Open your eyes, can't you see the polling numbers? :rolleyes:

See the numbers - He and his new party are going nowhere near a bin, wrong party, that's the silly ChUk'rs.

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For those who are not familiar with Farage's views on global warming etc, here they are:
https://twitter.com/InFactsOrg/statu...58235972100096

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Some remainers but not all....

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Why? The cult following of political leaders is dangerous and gets us into trouble. Farage is participating in politics, getting votes and power. He is fair game for criticism as much as May and Corbyn.

I also don't think it's helpful to think of any of them as enemies.

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The media are saying that 30% of the electorate say that they will be voting for Farages party.

It will be interesting to see what it means for Brexit if these votes are translated into seats in the EU Parliament. The EU have said that they don't want anybody causing disruption to proceedings, I suppose that if they decide to be disruptive, all the EU can do is suspend them from sitting.

In itself, a large number of seats for Farage makes no difference to Brexit as it's our UK Parliament that will decide what happens, but if Farage is successful, I think that he will want to get as many people as he can to stand in the next General Election and then we will see what happens when you let the cat amongst the pigeons!

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His mission? All sounds a bit evangelical to me.
Sign of the times, popular today, forgotten tomorrow (Remember Cleggmania and amazing LD polls? Where's he now?) Folks have short attention spans, mostly due to reality TV and wanting winners/losers. It will always come to Labour/Conservatives because of our archaic electoral system.

The middle ground is where the electorate are. Whoever realises it will win the next election. Farage is nowhere near that middle ground. He has no long term plan for Britain, like most Brexiteers, who never has been any plan of 'what next'. His main preoccupation is himself,, again like Boris et al...[COLOR="Silver"]

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I shouldn't worry Richard, if they follow Nigel's lead they won't turn up any meetings or do any work. They will however claim the salary/expenses and pensions which we'll be paying for.

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No politician should escape challenge or scrutiny. Political parties should not be followed like football clubs regardless of their form, and that's why it's healthy that there are new parties like the Brexit Party and Change UK.

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Like the authoritarian style, bit like Farage, eh :)

Seriously, May and Corbyn and just idiots. It is Farage and the seductive populist message that he is pushing that is the clear and present danger here. Beware the new Pied Piper.

Maybe he is more like the Child Catcher: "sweeties children, come get your sweeties"

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I'm loving this :tu:

If people were happy and content, there would be no thoughts of Brexit, and no need for somebody like Farage.

I think it's fair to say that, given Brexit is on the cards and Farage is back in action, people are not happy and content at all ;)

Farage . . like all successful entrepreneurs . . has identified a 'gap in the market' and is exploiting it quite well, good for him :D

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l totally agree Andrew.

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The difference between the two you mention, is vast and why only one of them is polling high and the other actually losing ground.

With Brexit Party, their PR team is extremely professional, you can see this in the quality of their promotional videos. The logo, everything about them screams exceptional.

But they also gain ground every time they’re attacked. The pathetic mud being thrown at Farage, just isn’t sticking. To become the party, to beat Tory and Labour, combined, 4 weeks after launching, says it all. The UK still wants to leave EU.

The Change UK Party, which is struggling to keep it’s identity, has fallen behind, their logo is crap, ridiculed for it’s cheapness. They dropped one hell of a clanger last week, when they changed their name, yet again. Dropped their Twitter username, only for it to be snapped up by a Brexiteer.

They are holding rallies, but images of them show it to be a small gathering of about 40-50 people. Brexit Party rallies usually has thousands attending.

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Nigel Farage is very good at what he does. People, including me, might not like his politics but he is very good at tapping the zeitgeist

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Regardless of if you love or hate Farage. he has two key skills

1) He uses language that 'the common man' understands
2) He talks to/with the public rather than at them.

I don't like him personally, nor his message. but it's easy to see why many people buy in

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People are fed up with the politics of the 2 main parties. MP's in both have disrupted Brexit sometimes voting against because one of "the other side" proposed it. The LD's have gained because they are simply sticking with what they believe as are the "one topic" parties.

People generally like politicians and parties to have a united face and be consistent. They may not agree, may vote against but they hate duplicity.

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Agreed, he does, and that is a great asset for him.

He also cuts through the bull and the smokescreens that his opponents are putting up to confuse people.

His reception at Question Time last week was very telling. The audience are getting really fed up with the establishment nonsense.

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Ok he may be a good rabble rouser, but has the ever been tested in any position of power?? All very well attacking everyone and anything but what has he delivered? His party has only one policy, -they'll need a bit more than that to be anything more than a protest vote.

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Well, at least Nigel has done a real job - he was a commodities trader, and his dad was a City of London stockbroker; we can all relate to those jobs...

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He doesn't need to be tested in power, he is not seeking it ATM. Yes his party has one policy, the clue is in the name, as regards what he has delivered, without him there would not have been a referendum.

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Yes without him the country wouldn't have needlessly been tearing itself apart for the last 3 years. He's divisive and that never ends well, particularly if we ever want the country united again.

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His party only needs the one policy to tackle the EU election.

It would be different if it were a General Election, and if the Brexit Party fight that, they will need policies to fight on. But we are not there yet, and if Brexit is finally achieved in the meantime, they won't be needed.

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I'm afraid David Cameron is to blame for that. He made a big thing over the changes to the EU he was going to demand for Britan but it came to nowt. People were very angry about that and many finally came to believe that GB has little influence in the EU, who don't care what we think.

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It's easy to promote a policy that you don't have to deliver...

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The latest opinion poll.

European Parliament voting intention.

via BMG Research, 07 - 10 May
Chgs. w/ 2014

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Received my Postal Voting form, already posted back.

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What do all those words mean in Plain English then?

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Absolutely no progress

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Book your holidays for w/c 3 June as the news then will be full of more meaningless votes. ;)

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*phew* cheers :tu:

I had a nasty turn thinking something important had happened :D

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Yeh OK. Is this going to be another we "didn't know what we were voting for" moment?

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Well you didn't know what you were voting for did you? Turns out Brexit can be a myriad different things (none of them good). As long as we stick it to the 'establishment', that's the he main thing..... :rolleyes:

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No, it’s another "Russia remains undeterred in its campaign to widen political divisions and weaken Western institutions" moment.

It obviously has no effect, that’s why they keep on doing it... :erm:

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And the mainstream media, along with the Left and Liberals, don't indulge in reckless and erroneous speculation?


The real serious problem of "fake news" is the truth that is not allowed to be reported, ie it's censored. Certain groups, of whatever kind, are not allowed to be criticised. As somebody once said on a UK talk show in the 80s, "Liberalism is just Fascism by another name". I don't think that person was even seen as a political person.

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Here we go again. :rolleyes:

Enough of provocative crap like this. I’m not having it. The next person to repeat this line of antagonism and utter rubbish, will be banned from participating in this thread.

You have been told time and time again to stop writing provocative nonsense Mr K. If you cannot debate properly, without deriding others, then I will stop you posting in this thread and the entire forum if necessary.

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What is interesting is that there does seem to be some news optimisation shenanigans going on. My phone pops up Google Now cards for news, sport, etc. This should be based on my interests and generally it is - I just had a pop up from Gizmodo n the 737MAX for example.

However, on Brexit, I get a lot of pop ups from the Daily Express and Telegraph. For example, looking now, I have three Express stories, two Telegraph stories and one BBC story on Brexit. What's strange is that I rarely look at the Express web site as it's horrible to look at and even more rarely look at the Telegraph as it's paywalled. When looking at what the press are saying, I generally use the Daily Mail for all my pro-Brexit news along with the Independent for my pro-Remain news.

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The Russia conspiracy theories are also ludicrous.

Russia had no bearing on 2016 Referendum and it won’t in next weeks European Elections. People are capable of making their own minds and decisions. It’s pathetic all this Russia Russia Russia nonsense. When will some of you Remainers, get it in to your heads that people really do want to leave a disgusting and corrupt EU?

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Yes Russian people want us to leave the joined up stronger economic rival EU. Little England and a divided Europe will be a doddle for them to crush. Think on comrade ;)

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Polls were showing large support for Leave, long before 2016 and any campaign. That was why the referendum was held in the first place.

How much of what is allegedly going on, do people actually come across?

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Open your eyes. EU is a tiny and failing market, look at Germany and Italian forecasts, EU is tiny % compared to rest of world we can trade with. The corrupt EU is not the be all you make it out to be.

Also- Europe is ALREADY divided without Russia’s interference. :rolleyes:

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Is Manchester a cover Mick ? Are you really sat in Moscow? Your name is in red so that's a giveaway ;)

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Yes, I can see the EU completely falling apart eventually. The tensions between countries as well as within them will become too high. Additionally, the economics of it all will start to fall apart with the next economic crisis.

Best to be out of it. Unfortunately, some people are not looking further than the benefits they can achieve from membership in relation to their summer holidays.

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Wow - this is desperate stuff. :dozey:

My forum username is in Red because I am an Admin - that's the default vBulletin colour for that usergroup, how many other countries in the world have Red in their flag-clue the Union Jack has red in it.?

What next, are you going to accuse me of being the second gunman on the Grassy Knoll, the alleged site of the shooter and assassination of U.S. President, John F. Kennedy ?

I live and reside in the UK, I am British Citizen from Birth and I made up my own mind and was not unduly influenced that I want to leave the EU.

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The EU isn't failing as a economic bloc, it's been recovering recently. They've also just signed up that Japan trade deal. Japan's economy is bigger than the UK.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...ocations=JP-GB

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Yes we said that about the Euro. Done a lot better than the pound over the last 3 years.

It's strange Brexiteers seem desperate for the EU to fail. In or out of the EU they are our largest trading partner, so it would directly affect us. Don't expect that bloke, who can't be mentioned, from over the pond to do us any favours. He along with Putin would be happy for the EU to break up. United we stand, divided we fall.

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Not thought about that, but methinks you do protest too much. Where were you on 22/11/63? :D

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The last time I looked - the rest of the World trading bloc is bigger than the EU.

Much Bigger!

That said AND more importantly - we won't just stop trading with rest of the EU once we fully leave on WTO terms, otherwise, the fragile markets within the EU, will suffer massively, we do not need to be in a con job membership union to do trade, in the same continent, it's utter madness to say everything ceases to be, once we fully leave.

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ooops, messed up the quote. . . by Mick *The Russia conspiracy theories are also ludicrous.*




I think most of it is down to American paranoia, they've always had the 'reds under the beds' mentality . . shame they can't grow up to be honest :rolleyes:

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Not what I said Mick, I said if the EU were to fail it would directly affect us as our largest trading partner. Even if we leave the EU it would be in our interests for the EU to succeed and thrive. The wishing ill of everyone else will rebound on us. We're a small country , the Empire has gone, we need to wake up to the reality of here and now, not the past.

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I've not advocated the complete failure and end the EU, although I won't shed a tear if it collapses in on itself - you got me mixed up with another poster who brought that up.

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German economy growth up +0.4 for the quarter, Italy out of technical recession. Appears that the EU economy isn't failing as miserably as some people pronounced.

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Oh wow. 0.4% is a lot to celebrate on.

Seriously? :rolleyes:

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UK economy growth up 0.5%

going by the usual stat lovers on here, does that mean we're better than Germany?

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it was merely a statement of fact to counter others claims that EU economy was on a downwards spiral.

Any need for the sarcasm?

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Yes.

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We haven't being doing well in recent times for some reason. Our growth was temporarily boosted in the last quarter thanks to all our stockpiling for a Brexit that didn't happen !
Canada's the place to emigrate to if they let us in and don't get paranoid about immigration....
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/05/9.png

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A bit of perspective on that.

So they've only just managed to match the rest of the eurozone.

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The Eurozone growth has plummeted since 2017, Eg 0.1% growth in Q3 2018 and 0.2% for Q4.

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I'm no financial whizz kid but isn't that data 2 years out of date.

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If you're really interested in the how the EU 27 are doing then read this.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...e/ip102_en.pdf

read the numbers only though and not the commentary, as you will see the UK, despite Brexit uncertainty for 3 years is still doing markedly better than virtually all of them.

Although the headlines and commentary try to put a different spin on it.

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You keep calling it the corrupt EU, is nowhere else corrupt that we would be trading with outside the EU?

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Apparently Utopia is a great place to be.
It has fantastic weather, a well managed booming economy, no unemployment, low tax rates, a surplus of decent housing and the cheapest alcohol you'll find . .

the trouble is, after decades of searching, nobody knows where it is . . . and I've looked in all the holiday brochures many times :D

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Yes I do call it corrupt, because it is and we are annoyingly still a member of it, due to it's corruptness.

You seen the documentary, on BBC IPlayer, EU Negotiations behind closed doors, the disgusting pricks, like Guy Verhoftstadt, saying they have turned the UK in to a Colony, if they agree this non-Brexit deal and people want to remain members with these conniving *******s? :rolleyes:

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l have no doubt there is plenty of corruption going on within the EU but there is plenty of corruption that goes on within our own borders as well unless one wants to turn a blind eye to that.

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One good thing about Farage is at least the Brexit Party is giving people a party to vote for that isn't UKIP and therefore people like this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sed-of-assault

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Didn't really answer the question rather than just having a rant.

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Ah but there's good old British corruption, cash for questions, buying honours, MPs expenses, unelected second chamber... And EU corruption, which might well exist, well probably, must do cos they're foreign..

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Good, solid, British corruption. British corruption for British politicians. Buy British corruption (with used notes from a brown envelope). Etc etc etc. :D

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In a way though it's pretty pathetic corruption. Cash for questions. People claiming for a duck house. Boring.

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House flipping on their second home allowances and 'employing' a family member on public funds can be very profitable for our squeaky clean MPs. Not pretending the EU are any better, but neither are we.

Language like 'disgusting pricks' used in an above post just devalues the UK, and we won't be taken seriously by anyone. We can look forward to more of that if we elect Farages muppets. It's the language of hate, and if we make decisions based on that, we're done for.

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Brexit Party formed in Welsh Assembly 'with IMMEDIATE effect' - Tory and Ukip members QUIT


FOUR Welsh assembly members (AMs) have sensationally joined the Brexit Party “with immediate effect” to give Nigel Farage’s party their first political representation at a national level.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...david-rowlands

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This will cheer you up even more.;)

European Parliament voting intention:


via @Survation, 08 - 09 May

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One of the chunkies has jumped ship and gone to the lib dumbs
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...sh-eu-15990956

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That is entirely his prerogative.

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Good old reckless Mark - never saw a bandwagon he didn’t want to jump on...

Pre-2014 - Conservative
September 2014 - defects to UKIP
April 2017 - defects from UKIP to Conservative Group
April 2019 - defects from Conservative Group
May 2019 - defects to Brexit Party

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It’s called politics Hugh.

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Tough. Your question was nonsensical, as we are not in any other union. :rolleyes:

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I decided to do a bit of data mining on how corrupt the EU is as Transparency International publish a global index each year and you can download the complete data set (here - https://www.transparency.org/files/c...ullResults.zip) and have a tinker..

The least corrupt nation globally is Denmark and the worst is Somalia. The UK is in joint 11th place behind 6 EU countries, 2 EFTA countries and New Zealand, Singapore and Canada.

For reference, the USA is in 22nd place and China is in 87th place.

There is a tab in the data set to filter just on EU countries. For EU countries, of course Denmark is the least corrupt. The UK is in 7th place and the most corrupt is Bulgaria which is in 77th place globally. If you average out the scores, if the European Union was a country, it would be in 29th place globally, between the Bahamas and Portugal.

The EU score seriously get dragged down by countries such as Croatia, Romania, Hungary, Greece and Bulgaria!

Of course what isn't in this data set is the EU as an organisation so we will need to take Micks word for it that the EU is corrupt as an organisation

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Good News. Chlorinated chicken will be coming out way soon ! Enjoy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8914621.html
Me and Mick are vegetarians, so we're alright.:)

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I don’t recall any other politician being in 3 different parties in just over 2 years...

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It's called trend setting Hugh.

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Just for balance, a very similar story in the Telegraph.

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is that part of the same trend as Nigel standing for 7 UK Parliamentary seats and losing each time?

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Never give up trying eh, just look at Tm's deal coming back for another go ;)

if people couldn't keep on having another go and trying to succeed there wouldn't be any women drivers on the roads.

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You do realise the EU ban was because it is TOO GOOD at getting rid of any bugs.
Link

After washing it would pass any hygiene tests. No doubt it was to impose on the rest of the EU, the more expensive abattoir standards of Germany.


Lower levels sounds good, doesn't it?


The EU alternative is "washing" with air and water. Therefore the chlorinated wash is additional. It's ruled safe by the EU, so what exactly is their problem? Other than shutting out the US.

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The only reason the US need to chlorinate their chicken is because their hygiene standards are inferior to the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...al-agriculture
However its irrelevant to me, enjoy ! ;)

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The pound has faltered owing to the uncertainty, that is all. It will rise again post Brexit.

I am a Brexiteer but I don't want the EU to fail.But it's because I know it will, due to the sheer inefficiency and mismanagement of Le Project, it is better to be out of it when the fallout spreads.

As Mick says, our trade with the EU will continue beyond Brexit, and our opportunities in the bigger world are vast. Your pessimism doesn't change those facts. Look again.

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Canada, you say? You mean that country that just arranged that trade deal with the EU without being a member of it?
:p:

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Oh yes, probably. But at least we wouldn't be IN it - just trading with it.

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Better buy British, then, Mr K. The choice is yours. If you eat meat, of course, which you say you don't!

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As your post pointed out.

Why is a chlorinated wash ok for salads? IE includes vegetarians.


Doesn't mean standards in the US are necessarily worse.


Germany has a habit of imposing it's own more expensive standards on the rest of the EU, in order to stop others having an economic advantage. All to do with maintaining the "level-playing field", as with the conditions the EU is still trying to impose on the UK, post-Brexit.

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There won't be a choice to buy British when we leave, Patrick Minford has already said agriculture and manufacturing will have to be sacrificed, perhaps we can go back to digging for victory

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I'll try again but staying on topic.

The question wasn't nonsensical, you keep saying the EU are corrupt, but aren't other countries (including us), ones that we will be trading with also corrupt or is it just the EU because you don't like them? I know we aren't in any other union but that wasn't the point of the question.

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Every country has a degree of corruption - I have never advocated that there are countries which aren't (ours included).

I go on about the EU being corrupt because it is and the UK Democratically voted to leave it.

The EU way, is that they are Anti-Democratic, they have had other Member States holding important votes again and again and they want us to hold another referendum, they want us to remain but we voted out.

The EU is championing on getting rid of the "Veto" that each member has, so in other words they want to force their ways on ALL member States and cancel the veto each Member state has. Guy Verhoftstadt more or less suggested this is how the EU should be now in a TV interview just recently. They want to steal and rob sovereignty and further powers. Who the hell wants to stay aligned to this BS ?

I urge people, however they voted to go watch that BBC Documentary on Iplayer if it is still on, EU Negotiations - Behind closed doors. The EU have not acted in good faith at all towards us and Theresa May has just allowed them to piss all over us when we should have stood firm. We cannot be allowed to succeed out, they pretty much said that, so have given us a crap deal. Is this not corruption, because it is to me?

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But will we be any better off dealing with other corrupt nations? Won't we just get shafted in other ways. We were always going to get a crap deal from them. They can't be seen to be dishing out good deals as that will make other countries go for leaving the EU. Do you believe the EU has done anything good for the UK?

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No - because if a particular country shafts us - we can simply not trade with them, we cannot do that with the EU, even after we voted to leave them.

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It's a big game to play based on who might or might not shaft us, especially considering they know we might be more desperate for a deal once we leave the EU. They are no more corrupted than any other union/country. And have brought plenty of benefits to our country.