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papa smurf 26-10-2018 18:41

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35968111)
here's the man arrested, he doesn't look very liberal.....

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/10/12.jpg

The 56-year-old south Florida resident has a criminal history in Broward County, Florida, and arrest records list his place of birth as Brooklyn, New York. A law enforcement source tells Milton he was convicted on state charges in Florida in 2002 with "threatening to throw, place, project or discharge any destructive device." Details of the August 2002 offense weren't immediately clear.


sounds like he's got previous charges from 2002 that's back when George w Bush was the pres.


An attorney who had represented Sayoc in prior legal matters, Ronald Scott Lowy, told CBS News he felt Sayoc "wasn't always in his right mind." Lowy said he represented Sayoc in a case in which Sayoc was accused of making a threat that included a false identification card or driver's license.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cesar-s...ay-2018-10-26/

Damien 26-10-2018 19:16

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The guy was always going be a bit off. This isn't a rational thing to do obviously. Still a terrorist act of course.

Mick 26-10-2018 20:19

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Quite a sizeable criminal record dating back to the early 1990's.

Mr K 26-10-2018 20:44

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35968140)
Quite a sizeable criminal record dating back to the early 1990's.

He's a true Republican Trump fanatic, who had pictures of Hillary with a target on her on his van. A typical Trump devotee. Maybe criminality/insanity goes with the territory ?
Ps. Has the Democrat plot now been abandoned or did Bill/Hillary/ Obama hypnotize him to send to bombs to themselves ? :rolleyes:

Mick 26-10-2018 22:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35968143)
He's a true Republican Trump fanatic, who had pictures of Hillary with a target on her on his van. A typical Trump devotee. Maybe criminality/insanity goes with the territory ?
Ps. Has the Democrat plot now been abandoned or did Bill/Hillary/ Obama hypnotize him to send to bombs to themselves ? :rolleyes:

Grow the hell up - sick of your immature and humourless posts, i.e you're not very funny. :rolleyes:

daveeb 26-10-2018 22:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35968149)
Grow the hell up - sick of your immature and humourless posts, i.e you're not very funny. :rolleyes:


A bit of humour tends to attract people to the debate, lightens the tone and invites further posts. Beats aggressive intimidating posts every time.

Mick 26-10-2018 22:47

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35968151)
A bit of humour tends to attract people to the debate, lightens the tone and invites further posts. Beats aggressive intimidating posts every time.

Tough luck. This is not a forum for rubbish immature joking - if people want to post unfunny shit - they can post it elsewhere.

1andrew1 27-10-2018 00:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35968152)
Tough luck. This is not a forum for rubbish immature joking - if people want to post unfunny shit - they can post it elsewhere.

I didn't find Mr K's first sentence funny but the sentence "or did Bill/Hillary/ Obama hypnotize him to send to bombs to themselves?" made me laugh. :)

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The fiancée of Jamal Khashoggi, the murdered journalist, said she would not accept Donald Trump's invitation to the White House because she did not believe the US president was sincere in getting to the truth about his death.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...al-khashoggis/

Mr K 27-10-2018 09:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35968149)
Grow the hell up - sick of your immature and humourless posts, i.e you're not very funny. :rolleyes:

Wow, everyone's a critic ! :D

I prefer humour to make serious points, rather than abuse/hate which some choose. The honourable Mr Papa Smurf, who I disagree with almost everything does the same, it's far more preferable. If nothing else it's good for my blood pressure ;) If you're abusive to anyone you disagree with, you've lost the argument.

Angua 27-10-2018 09:30

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35968180)
Wow, everyone's a critic ! :D

I prefer humour to make serious points, rather than abuse/hate which some choose. The honourable Mr Papa Smurf, who I disagree with almost everything does the same, it's far more preferable. If nothing else it's good for my blood pressure ;) If you're abusive to anyone you disagree with, you've lost the argument.

A bit of humour often is more helpful in making people see the other side of the coin, where abuse and denigration puts peoples backs up.

Damien 27-10-2018 09:37

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Keep on topic

Angua 27-10-2018 11:40

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Trump fumes after mail bomber ‘interrupts’ his campaign message

1andrew1 27-10-2018 11:56

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35968101)
Close up shows the Trump stickers are fresh - in the Florida sun, they would have faded by now - I smell a Set-up. A bomber wouldn't be this forensically careless.

I don't think Republicans should need to seek out conspiracy theories to distance themselves from this terrorist; they can't chose their supporters. He's obviously got mental health issues.

Damien 27-10-2018 13:02

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35968101)
Close up shows the Trump stickers are fresh - in the Florida sun, they would have faded by now - I smell a Set-up. A bomber wouldn't be this forensically careless.

I would leave it to the FBI than Internet detectives.

Damien 30-10-2018 18:05

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A story is developing that someone has been offering to pay women to make up accusations of assault against Mueller. Several journalists have been emailed this.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...to-fbi/574411/

1andrew1 31-10-2018 00:08

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35968652)
A story is developing that someone has been offering to pay women to make up accusations of assault against Mueller. Several journalists have been emailed this.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...to-fbi/574411/

A new low if it's correct. :(

Maggy 31-10-2018 08:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35968688)
A new low if it's correct. :(

If it's correct..

Damien 31-10-2018 09:35

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It's very weird. One of the 'journalists' involved seemed to have made up a spy agency: https://www.gq.com/story/the-lasts-tweets-of-jacob-wohl

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One of the entities linked to this alleged scheme—which, it bears repeating, is intended to take down the longtime director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation—is a Southern California-based outfit called Surefire Intelligence. This revelation was all the Internet needed to unspool Wohl's handiwork in damning and hilarious fashion. His email address appears in the domain registration records. As noted at The Daily Beast, LinkedIn profiles of purported Surefire Intelligence staffers used headshots of Bar Refaeli, Christoph Waltz, Sigourney Weaver's husband, and some poor pastor in Michigan. Its "head of government relations" works as a model for stock photos. And the silhouette of Surefire managing partner "Matthew Cohen" bears a remarkable resemblance to the shadow cast by Jacob Wohl himself.

Best of all, Wohl's efforts to cover the tracks of his smoke-and-mirrors investigative services agency did not extend past the phone numbers of his immediate family members. NBC News also discovered that a number listed on Surefire Intelligence's web site connected to a voicemail message that advised callers to try a second number, which belongs to...Jacob Wohl's mom. "Wohl stopped respond to NBC News," their report concludes, "after being told Surefires's official phone number redirects to his mother's voicemail.


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There is speculation this might be a prank on the media

Hugh 03-11-2018 22:57

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Interesting tweet by Trump just now

Quote:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Rumor has it that Senator Joe Donnelly of Indiana is paying for Facebook ads for his so-called opponent on the libertarian ticket. Donnelly is trying to steal the election? Isn’t that what Russia did!?

03/11/2018 21:05

Stephen 04-11-2018 06:22

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I thought this guy didn't believe in anonymous sources or rumours??

Damien 06-11-2018 16:58

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Midterms today: Democrats favorite to take the house, Republicans heavy favorites to keep the Senate.

denphone 06-11-2018 17:01

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969466)
Midterms today: Democrats favorite to take the house, Republicans heavy favorites to keep the Senate.

If that transpires then its going to be pretty hard for any bill to get passed.

1andrew1 07-11-2018 04:42

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35969468)
If that transpires then its going to be pretty hard for any bill to get passed.

Trump won't like it, that's for sure

denphone 07-11-2018 05:28

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35969531)
Trump won't like it, that's for sure

He will like it even less now the results have come in as it appears that he has lost control of the House of Representatives.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-46104314

Damien 07-11-2018 06:24

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Pretty boring result really. What was expected with both sides being able to take comfort from something

OLD BOY 07-11-2018 07:30

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969536)
Pretty boring result really. What was expected with both sides being able to take comfort from something

Not really. This was quite a blow for the Republicans. It was pretty obvious that they would retain control of the Senate as it was mainly Democrat seats up for grabs. All eyes now will be looking at the implications of this landslide for the Presidency in 2020. Not looking good for the Donald.

Damien 07-11-2018 07:39

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It’s getting increasingly difficult for the Democrats to win though. Tonight it seems that they’re winning the popular vote in the house by 9% but if they had a bit lower than that the Republicans could have kept it. You have a situation now where more people can vote for the Democrats in each branch of government and yet still have the Republicans control all three.

Mick 07-11-2018 07:50

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969541)
Not really. This was quite a blow for the Republicans. It was pretty obvious that they would retain control of the Senate as it was mainly Democrat seats up for grabs. All eyes now will be looking at the implications of this landslide for the Presidency in 2020. Not looking good for the Donald.

I disagree and I wouldn’t use the Mid terms as a Measure of what will happen in 2020 Presidential Election. Remember, Barack Obama, in his first mid term test lost 60+ House Seats for the Democrats, that was a significant mid term defeat for the Democrats. He still won his second term in 2012.

There was suppose to be this “Blue Wave” expected. Damp squib springs to mind.

Damien 07-11-2018 08:00

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Not a blue wave IMO but obviously significant in that the Democrats took the house. 2010 is a good comparison although you can’t compare seats directly because it’s not the same cycle.

I think the Democrats can be disappointed it wasn’t a blow out. Earlier in the year people thought even the senate might be up for grabs. To lose seats, even if it was likely, is not great.

papa smurf 07-11-2018 10:37

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969551)
Not a blue wave IMO but obviously significant in that the Democrats took the house. 2010 is a good comparison although you can’t compare seats directly because it’s not the same cycle.

I think the Democrats can be disappointed it wasn’t a blow out. Earlier in the year people thought even the senate might be up for grabs. To lose seats, even if it was likely, is not great.

And every candidate backed by Obama took a nose dive and lost ;)

Damien 07-11-2018 11:03

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35969558)
And every candidate backed by Obama took a nose dive and lost ;)

That can't be statistically possible.

papa smurf 07-11-2018 11:14

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969563)
That can't be statistically possible.

According to channel 5 it is.

Damien 07-11-2018 12:27

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35969565)
According to channel 5 it is.

Well either something has been lost in translation or they're wrong. Here is the list of endorsements: https://ballotpedia.org/Endorsements_by_Barack_Obama

Just taking one: Tina Smith. She is the projected winner in Minnesota. Jacky Rosen is the projected winner in Nevada and Tammy Baldin is the projected winner in Wisconsin: https://edition.cnn.com/election/2018/results/senate

And if you go for the House there are far too many Endorsements for them to have all lost and the Democrats have won the House.

papa smurf 07-11-2018 13:28

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969571)
Well either something has been lost in translation or they're wrong. Here is the list of endorsements: https://ballotpedia.org/Endorsements_by_Barack_Obama

Just taking one: Tina Smith. She is the projected winner in Minnesota. Jacky Rosen is the projected winner in Nevada and Tammy Baldin is the projected winner in Wisconsin: https://edition.cnn.com/election/2018/results/senate

And if you go for the House there are far too many Endorsements for them to have all lost and the Democrats have won the House.

Maybe it was flake news .

Hugh 07-11-2018 18:50

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35969581)
Maybe it was flake news .

Maybe it was wishful thinking.

Mr K 07-11-2018 19:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35969620)
Maybe it was wishful thinking.

By Channel 5 or the Smurf ? :D

See the Donald is accepting defeat gracefully by bullying reporters ! Give him his due, he won't change. Just aswell he'll now be stopped from doing whatever he wants. I should think he'll keep just keep quiet and accept it, try and work with opposition and abandon being a twonk. May be he'll quit Twitter too, and welcome the homeless into the White House,champion healthcare for all, ban guns etc. I have every faith in him ;)

Hugh 07-11-2018 19:50

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1 Attachment(s)
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ice-department

Sessions is out...

https://komonews.com/news/nation-wor...2018-194818413
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President Donald Trump announced in a tweet that Sessions' chief of staff Matt Whitaker would become the new acting attorney general.
He ‘resigned’*...




*”At your request, I am submitting my resignation"

Damien 07-11-2018 19:54

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Is he moving to fire Mueller? Almost certainly the democrats would try to impeach him for obstruction.

Mr K 07-11-2018 20:23

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He still thinks this Presidency thing is an episode of The Apprentice.

Mick 08-11-2018 08:24

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969628)
Is he moving to fire Mueller? Almost certainly the democrats would try to impeach him for obstruction.

And that would be idiotic when they don’t have the Senate. Jeff Sessions being fired is justified. The President of the United States is entitled to choose who he wants as his AG as per the Constitution.

Damien 08-11-2018 08:44

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35969646)
And that would be idiotic when they don’t have the Senate. Jeff Sessions being fired is justified. The President of the United States is entitled to choose who he wants as his AG as per the Constitution.

No one is saying he doesn't have the legal ability to fire him. The question is if he is moving to shut down the investigation. That itself would be stupid because Mueller could pass any incriminating information to the House committees, it could find it's way into the press or back to the FBI. Nixon tried to shut down the investigations into Watergate but it doesn't work.

Mick 08-11-2018 08:49

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An investigation that is politically set up can be shut down. The hoax investigation should be shut down, it’s waste of money. There was no collusion except by the DNC and Hillary paying “Russians” for fake intel aka the Dossier.

Damien 08-11-2018 09:01

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35969650)
An investigation that is politically set up can be shut down. The hoax investigation should be shut down, it’s waste of money. There was no collusion except by the DNC and Hillary paying “Russians” for fake intel aka the Dossier.

According to you and you aren't privy to the materials they are. We don't conduct criminal investigations by the opinions of the internet. If there is no collusion then there is no harm in letting the investigation continue. However the person who is connected, if not a subject, of an investigation having the power to shut it down is very dodgy. Hence why Sessions recused himself in the first place.

Put it this way. If there was an investigation into the Clinton Foundation under a President Clinton and she shut it down because there was no crime would you think that is fair?

Angua 08-11-2018 09:30

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969654)
According to you and you aren't privy to the materials they are. We don't conduct criminal investigations by the opinions of the internet. If there is no collusion then there is no harm in letting the investigation continue. However the person who is connected, if not a subject, of an investigation having the power to shut it down is very dodgy. Hence why Sessions recused himself in the first place.

Put it this way. If there was an investigation into the Clinton Foundation under a President Clinton and she shut it down because there was no crime would you think that is fair?

Surely an innocent person would want to be exonerated, with the ability to crow about it. This would appeal tremendously to Trump.....

Mick 08-11-2018 10:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35969654)
According to you and you aren't privy to the materials they are. We don't conduct criminal investigations by the opinions of the internet. If there is no collusion then there is no harm in letting the investigation continue. However the person who is connected, if not a subject, of an investigation having the power to shut it down is very dodgy. Hence why Sessions recused himself in the first place.

Put it this way. If there was an investigation into the Clinton Foundation under a President Clinton and she shut it down because there was no crime would you think that is fair?

Let’s just go back to President Bill Clinton, he was guilty of all sorts, as he got impeached in the House and acquitted in the Senate, at the time because every Democrat Senator stood by him even though he was very guilty of serious crimes and misdemeanours.

The Russian investigation is a sham.

And Yes I am privy to the info, as are you. The info was released early in year. This is not “internet information” that you’re classing it as, this is material released by congress.

Mr K 08-11-2018 10:53

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35969666)
Let’s just go back to President Bill Clinton, he was guilty of all sorts, as he got impeached in the House and acquitted in the Senate, at the time because every Democrat Senator stood by him even though he was very guilty of serious crimes and misdemeanours.

The Russian investigation is a sham.

And Yes I am privy to the info, as are you. The info was released early in year. This is not “internet information” that you’re classing it as, this is material released by congress.

Mr Clinton was tried and found innocent. Trump is trying to stop being tried at all.

Stephen 08-11-2018 11:17

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We don't have access to all the info.

However if Trump is innocent then no harm will be done by allowing the investigation to continue to completion.

As he is so determined to shut down the investigation that screams guilty to me. He has something to hide.

Mick 08-11-2018 11:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35969674)
Mr Clinton was tried and found innocent. Trump is trying to stop being tried at all.

He has to have committed a crime first to be tried - no evidence exists to date of ANY Russian collusion.

As for your rubbish above about Bill Clinton - This is where you don't bother to do your homework - Fact: Found innocent not by a Judicial court, but by the political motions in Congress / Senate, he was still impeached by the House of Representatives and in a civil case, he had to pay a settlement fine to a woman who accused him of a sexual allegation which he initially denied, causing him to perjure himself when evidence came to light that he had lied about the Monica Lewinsky affair.

On the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).

"In April 1999, Judge Wright found President Bill Clinton in civil contempt of court for misleading testimony in the Jones case. She ordered Clinton to pay $1,202 to the court and an additional $90,000 to Jones's lawyers for expenses incurred." - Wikipedia.

Bill Clinton Innocent, my arse!!! :rolleyes:

Stephen 08-11-2018 12:22

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How is contempt of court in a civil matter mean Clinton being found guilty of the original charges he was found innocent of?

OLD BOY 08-11-2018 13:06

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35969675)
We don't have access to all the info.

However if Trump is innocent then no harm will be done by allowing the investigation to continue to completion.

As he is so determined to shut down the investigation that screams guilty to me. He has something to hide.





Not necessarily. Unfortunately, all this is distracting from concentrating on fulfilling the promises he made to the electorate, which presumably is the intention of his detractors.

Stephen 08-11-2018 13:14

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969692)
[/B]


Not necessarily. Unfortunately, all this is distracting from concentrating on fulfilling the promises he made to the electorate, which presumably is the intention of his detractors.

The man who was on video last week stating he is the first President to fulfill more promises than he had made:monkey::dunce:

Mick 08-11-2018 13:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35969687)
How is contempt of court in a civil matter mean Clinton being found guilty of the original charges he was found innocent of?

Because um, are you being deliberately obtuse?

He was found guilty in the House of Representatives on the two counts, as I said above. Lying under oath and trying to obstruct justice. His party, The Democrats came to his rescue in the Senate. Impeachment is not a standard Judiciary of proceedings like a court room based on evidence, it’s purely a partisan political circus. Bill Clinton lied under oath, that is a federal crime that carries a 5 year prison sentence, but Democrats aligned with their lying President and cleared him via a political motion.

Hugh 08-11-2018 14:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35969696)
Because um, are you being deliberately obtuse?

He was found guilty in the House of Representatives on the two counts, as I said above. Lying under oath and trying to obstruct justice. His party, The Democrats came to his rescue in the Senate. Impeachment is not a standard Judiciary of proceedings like a court room based on evidence, it’s purely a partisan political circus. Bill Clinton lied under oath, that is a federal crime that carries a 5 year prison sentence, but Democrats aligned with their lying President and cleared him via a political motion.

He wasn't found guilty of anything by the House - they submitted a resolution to impeach him on two grounds - perjury to a grand jury, and obstruction of justice - and then they were approved.

Impeachment is a political process, being found guilty of something is a legal process (impeachment can lead to further legal proceedings, but in itself is not a legal process).

Once the bill had passed though the House, it went to the Senate for an impeachment trial (actually overseen by a Judge) - they did not get a super-majority of votes required to find him guilty (67 out of 100) - it was 45-55 on one charge, 50-50 on the other (5 Republicans voted with the Democrats on that one).

So Clinton was acquitted, and that means, no matter how many times you say it, he wasn't found guilty.

Mr K 08-11-2018 14:30

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Never mind Mick, you can have a go at Chelsea Clinton next, a subversive liberal for sure ;)

Stephen 08-11-2018 14:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35969696)
Because um, are you being deliberately obtuse?

He was found guilty in the House of Representatives on the two counts, as I said above. Lying under oath and trying to obstruct justice. His party, The Democrats came to his rescue in the Senate. Impeachment is not a standard Judiciary of proceedings like a court room based on evidence, it’s purely a partisan political circus. Bill Clinton lied under oath, that is a federal crime that carries a 5 year prison sentence, but Democrats aligned with their lying President and cleared him via a political motion.

Wow can't give a meaningful response so starting to insult or at least attempt to is really mature.

Mick 08-11-2018 16:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35969704)
He wasn't found guilty of anything by the House - they submitted a resolution to impeach him on two grounds - perjury to a grand jury, and obstruction of justice - and then they were approved.

Impeachment is a political process, being found guilty of something is a legal process (impeachment can lead to further legal proceedings, but in itself is not a legal process).

Once the bill had passed though the House, it went to the Senate for an impeachment trial (actually overseen by a Judge) - they did not get a super-majority of votes required to find him guilty (67 out of 100) - it was 45-55 on one charge, 50-50 on the other (5 Republicans voted with the Democrats on that one).

So Clinton was acquitted, and that means, no matter how many times you say it, he wasn't found guilty.

He was found guilty of two counts via the votes that’s the same thing- you never learn that I stand by what I say!! Clinton was guilty!

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35969706)
Wow can't give a meaningful response so starting to insult or at least attempt to is really mature.

Wow nothing. If you cannot accept the facts that’s not my problem. Obtuse or TDS, great description for many folk in this dying topic, time to close it soon, me thinks.

Hugh 08-11-2018 17:02

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Interesting statement from a pro-Trump Judge on "Fox and Friends" today.

Quote:

"There’s only three ways a person can become acting attorney general," Napolitano said. "One, if you are the deputy attorney general — Rod Rosenstein — the president signs an executive order and makes you acting."

"Two is if you are already in the Department of Justice and have a job that requires Senate confirmation and you have received confirmation," Napolitano added. "That is not the case with Matt Whitaker because he’s the chief of staff. That does not require Senate confirmation."

Whitaker's most recent post was chief of staff to Sessions at the Justice Department.

"Three is a recess appointment, which is not relevant here because the Senate is not in recess," Napolitano continued.

"So with deference and respect to what the president’s trying to do — he has every right to have whoever he wants run the Justice Department — he has chosen someone who does not qualify under the law to be the acting attorney general," Napolitano added.
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...lify-under-the

Stephen 08-11-2018 18:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35969715)
He was found guilty of two counts via the votes that’s the same thing- you never learn that I stand by what I say!! Clinton was guilty!

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Wow nothing. If you cannot accept the facts that’s not my problem. Obtuse or TDS, great description for many folk in this dying topic, time to close it soon, me thinks.

I don't consider it a dying topic at all and neither do the other members of the forum posting in it and discussing it.

I can accept the facts when the facts are acceptable and valid.

Mick 08-11-2018 18:55

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My thread, I can close it if I want, don’t need your permission. (And I’m also one of the site owners that also gives me the right- A very big one too) !!!

Hom3r 09-11-2018 22:03

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I heard a comedian saying "Trump is to politics , what Josef Fritzl is to child care"

ianch99 12-11-2018 10:48

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At the Remembrance service, we heard stanzas from the moving Ode of Remembrance:

Quote:

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
Unless it is raining of course ..

Armistice Day: Growing criticism of Trump WW1 no-show

1andrew1 12-11-2018 11:14

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35970239)
At the Remembrance service, we heard stanzas from the moving Ode of Remembrance:

Unless it is raining of course ..

Armistice Day: Growing criticism of Trump WW1 no-show

Words fail me on this disrespect for those who made the ultimate sacrifice. :td:

Mick 12-11-2018 11:40

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Talking of which....

.....Nothing can be worse than attending the 100 Remembrance in a scruffy looking Anorak with a tiny Poppy pin, quite like Jeremy Corbyn did yesterday, that was disgusting and disrespectful.

Damien 12-11-2018 12:56

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Maybe Corbyn should have lent Trump his raincoat. Two birds, one stone.

Anyway I am not sure what the official Poppy size is acceptable but the Poppy pin is sold by the Royal British Legion for a higher amount than the paper poppy, I prefer the pin as it's more sturdy.

OLD BOY 12-11-2018 12:58

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970253)
Talking of which....

.....Nothing can be worse than attending the 100 Remembrance in a scruffy looking Anorak with a tiny Poppy pin, quite like Jeremy Corbyn did yesterday, that was disgusting and disrespectful.

Apparently, Mick, we aren't permitted to make comparisons with Labour. It's just too uncomfortable for their supporters to bear, and they have no answers.

So it's easier just to whinge on about the Government.

Damien 12-11-2018 13:00

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35970259)
Apparently, Mick, we aren't permitted to make comparisons with Labour. It's just too uncomfortable for their supporters to bear, and they have no answers.

So it's easier just to whinge on about the Government.

I think you can make comparisons with them, especially the tendency to label all opposition as fake news, but I think comparing not turning up with wearing a raincoat with a Poppy of insufficient size is not quite the same.

Hugh 12-11-2018 13:03

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35970258)
Maybe Corbyn should have lent Trump his raincoat. Two birds, one stone.

Anyway I am not sure what the official Poppy size is acceptable but the Poppy pin is sold by the Royal British Legion for a higher amount than the paper poppy, I prefer the pin as it's more sturdy. I hadn't realised it was disgusting and disrespectful.

Agreed - I have 2 pins, an enamel one from the RBL, and one with my old unit from Poppypins.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1542027789

(I still drop a fiver in the collection tin each year).

Damien 12-11-2018 13:06

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Cool, I assume it was Germany related from the bird?

Hugh 12-11-2018 13:20

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35970262)
Cool, I assume it was Germany related from the bird?

26 Signals Unit, Berlin (Teufelsberg).

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2017...a8IjbezqT8csLU

Some of the stuff in this is inaccurate (the bits about the satellite dishes in the radomes), the other bits are mostly right...

ianch99 12-11-2018 13:33

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970253)
Talking of which....

.....Nothing can be worse than attending the 100 Remembrance in a scruffy looking Anorak with a tiny Poppy pin, quite like Jeremy Corbyn did yesterday, that was disgusting and disrespectful.

From what I can see he was wearing the poppy pin that the British Legion sell. I bought the same one. I paid more than the cost of the simple poppy as I wanted to make sure the British Legion got more money. What *is* wrong is suggesting that supporting the British Legion by buying one of their poppies is "disgusting".

So we now have "Poppy Fascists" now, do we? People going around measuring the size of your poppy and declaring you "disrespectful" if it does not measure up .. pathetic ..

denphone 12-11-2018 13:56

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35970264)
From what I can see he was wearing the poppy pin that the British Legion sell. I bought the same one. I paid more than the cost of the simple poppy as I wanted to make sure the British Legion got more money. What *is* wrong is suggesting that supporting the British Legion by buying one of their poppies is "disgusting".

So we now have "Poppy Fascists" now, do we? People going around measuring the size of your poppy and declaring you "disrespectful" if it does not measure up .. pathetic ..

l don't wear a poppy on a jacket or shirt as l wear wristbands with poppies on as that is what l prefer.

Mick 12-11-2018 14:42

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35970258)
Maybe Corbyn should have lent Trump his raincoat. *Two birds, one stone.

Trump attended memorials over the weekend - no rule says he has to bloody attend them all. If he had have attended them all, the TDS sufferers would have had something else to complain about him.

* Wtf is this two birds one stone shit ?

It's posts like yours thinking a debate is a pissing up the wall contest, is exactly why threads like this one, should be closed!!! :rolleyes:

1andrew1 12-11-2018 14:42

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35970260)
I think you can make comparisons with them, especially the tendency to label all opposition as fake news, but I think comparing not turning up with wearing a raincoat with a Poppy of insufficient size is not quite the same.

Sometimes you just have to acknowledge the weakness of a politician you might otherwise generally support. Trying to say an attendee is worse than a non-attendee defies common sense.

Mick 12-11-2018 14:45

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35970264)
From what I can see he was wearing the poppy pin that the British Legion sell. I bought the same one. I paid more than the cost of the simple poppy as I wanted to make sure the British Legion got more money. What *is* wrong is suggesting that supporting the British Legion by buying one of their poppies is "disgusting".

So we now have "Poppy Fascists" now, do we? People going around measuring the size of your poppy and declaring you "disrespectful" if it does not measure up .. pathetic ..

Have you seen what you type ?

Fascists go around abusing democracy, going on parades, trying to stop a legitimate democratic result!!!

As for the size of ones poppy - Compared to Theresa May's Poppy, Corbyn's was pathetic, along with his apparent, Tesco value anorak!!!

Damien 12-11-2018 14:49

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970280)
Trump attended memorials over the weekend - no rule says he has to bloody attend them all. If he had have attended them all, the TDS sufferers would have had something else to complain about him.

* Wtf is this two birds one stone shit ?

Two birds, one stone = solving two problems/tasks with one move. Trump could have avoided the rain and Corbyn wouldn't be wearing the raincoat.

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It's posts like yours thinking a debate is a pissing up the wall contest, is exactly why threads like this one, should be closed!!! :rolleyes:
I don't actually care if Trump attends a remembrance service, I don't think it's especially surprising. I was just responding to your post about Corbyn wearing a raincoat and having too small a Poppy.

Anyway 2020 is starting to kick-off: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...didates-955261

Mr K 12-11-2018 14:55

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970282)
Have you seen what you type ?

Fascists go around abusing democracy, going on parades, trying to stop a legitimate democratic result!!!

As for the size of ones poppy - Compared to Theresa May's Poppy, Corbyn's was pathetic, along with his apparent, Tesco value anorak!!!

Size isn't everything Mick......

Maybe Jezza could lend Donald his anorak?

Mick 12-11-2018 15:04

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35970284)

Anyway 2020 is starting to kick-off: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...didates-955261

Talking of which - I believe Crooked Hillary is putting her name forward again, LMFAO :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970286)
Size isn't everything Mick......

Maybe Jezza could lend Donald his anorak?

Do catch up - Damien, was laps ahead of you on this point.

Mr K 12-11-2018 15:05

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970291)
Talking of which - I believe Crooked Hillary is putting her name forward again, LMFAO :rofl:.

How are they allowing a convicted felon to stand ?:confused:

Mick 12-11-2018 15:12

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970294)
How are they allowing a convicted felon to stand ?:confused:

When was she convicted, last I heard she got let off after actually violating several Federal Statutes that normally carry prison time, if broken?

Mr K 12-11-2018 15:15

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970298)
When was she convicted, last I heard she got let off after actually violating several Federal Statutes that normally carry prison time, if broken?

'Got let off' = no evidence = innocent

Mick 12-11-2018 15:35

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970301)
'Got let off' = no evidence = innocent

She is not innocent. She admitted her mistake!!!

You obviously have not read the official reports then - typical, no wonder you get many things wrong and incorrect when you don't bother to read the full stories and only what your eyes want to see.

The facts are as follows:
  • The Justice Department's inspector general was/is looking into the FBI's handling of a batch of Hillary Clinton emails found on Anthony Weiner's laptop before the 2016 presidential election. Some of the emails discovered were TOP SECRET or at Classified level.
  • Andrew McCabe, who abruptly quit the FBI before being SACKED, is at the centre of the inquiry.
  • The FBI, under James Comey and Andrew McCabe's watch, didn't act on the discovery of the emails for weeks, according to the report.

So I'd say - She violated the Statutes that cover Classified Material. Classified Hillary Clinton emails being found on an insecure device belonging to the husband of her aide is pretty strong evidence of a violation or two of Federal law. But alas, she got a free pass thanks to the FBI not doing their jobs properly and or being politically motivated at the time, under the former leadership team, 6 of which have now been terminated from their jobs. ;)

papa smurf 12-11-2018 15:35

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[QUOTE=Mick;35970291]Talking of which - I believe Crooked Hillary is putting her name forward again, LMFAO :rofl:

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That's good news for the republicans ,another term for Trump looks a certainty.

denphone 12-11-2018 15:43

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That's good news for the republicans ,another term for Trump looks a certainty.

The only certain things in life are death and taxes.;)

Attachment 27638

Stephen 12-11-2018 19:49

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970310)
She is not innocent. She admitted her mistake!!!

You obviously have not read the official reports then - typical, no wonder you get many things wrong and incorrect when you don't bother to read the full stories and only what your eyes want to see.

The facts are as follows:
  • The Justice Department's inspector general was/is looking into the FBI's handling of a batch of Hillary Clinton emails found on Anthony Weiner's laptop before the 2016 presidential election. Some of the emails discovered were TOP SECRET or at Classified level.
  • Andrew McCabe, who abruptly quit the FBI before being SACKED, is at the centre of the inquiry.
  • The FBI, under James Comey and Andrew McCabe's watch, didn't act on the discovery of the emails for weeks, according to the report.

So I'd say - She violated the Statutes that cover Classified Material. Classified Hillary Clinton emails being found on an insecure device belonging to the husband of her aide is pretty strong evidence of a violation or two of Federal law. But alas, she got a free pass thanks to the FBI not doing their jobs properly and or being politically motivated at the time, under the former leadership team, 6 of which have now been terminated from their jobs. ;)

Admitting to a mistake is not the same as being guilty or being found guilty by a court, jury or judge.

She was let off, meaning not guilty.

Mr K 12-11-2018 19:54

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Once the Democrat controlled House of Representatives have completed their investigations into Trumps affairs, Hillary will look a saint....

Mick 12-11-2018 19:55

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35970365)
Admitting to a mistake is not the same as being guilty or being found guilty by a court, jury or judge.

She was let off, meaning not guilty.

Let off by people who later got fired from the FBI - go figure. It is irrelevant - She violated the laws/Statutes - nothing you say will negate this.

But wow, thanks for yours and others basic Arm chair lesson in law which I will gladly ignore.

Mr K 12-11-2018 20:01

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She's not locked up as promised. Btw where's that wall or healthcare reform ? Me thinks the blond buffoon is full of it and his worshippers have a short attention span...

papa smurf 12-11-2018 20:02

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970367)
Once the Democrat controlled House of Representatives have completed their investigations into Trumps affairs, Hillary will look a saint....

There is no substance in the known universe that can polish that turd into a saint.

Mr K 12-11-2018 20:05

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35970371)
There is no substance in the known universe that can polish that turd into a saint.

As I said the skeletons in Trumps massive cupboard could.....

Mick 12-11-2018 20:21

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970367)
Once the Democrat controlled House of Representatives have completed their investigations into Trumps affairs, Hillary will look a saint....

Hold on, I thought Robert Mueller was already doing this and after nearly a year, has found NOTHING on Trump ???

Stop getting ahead of yourself - The Democrats Control the House and that's all.

Trump/Republicans control. Senate / White House / Department of Justice / Supreme Court.

All the Democrats have, is subpoena power but that can still fail when it comes to a sitting President. There is no clear authority on compelling presidential testimony before Congress. The Justice Department has repeatedly asserted an absolute presidential immunity from congressional compulsion to testify.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970369)
She's not locked up as promised. Btw where's that wall or healthcare reform ? Me thinks the blond buffoon is full of it and his worshippers have a short attention span...

Yet again you spout utter immature bollocks. This is nothing to do with worshipping someone, I could say you worship Corbyn, but I won't because it is totally immature. Grow up FFS.

I just see facts overriding certain members feelings, just like they are letting their emotions override their benefit of intellect, and I say this given the absolute poor knowledge certain members have regarding the balance of powers in the U.S Government system.

Mr K 12-11-2018 20:21

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Mueller hasn't reported yet, there's probably too much to tell ! Trump may try and sack him before the truth comes out about Russia, but the truth will come out one way or another...

Mick 12-11-2018 20:28

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35970371)
There is no substance in the known universe that can polish that turd into a saint.

:clap: Dead right there lol.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/11/3.png

Mr K 12-11-2018 20:33

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Mmm, that postal bomber had a picture with Hillary with a target on her on his van. Sometimes you need to step back and think where all this hate directed at one individual leads.

papa smurf 12-11-2018 20:40

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970385)
Mmm, that postal bomber had a picture with Hillary with a target on her on his van. Sometimes you need to step back and think where all this hate directed at one individual leads.

You should have a think about where devil worship leads.

Mick 12-11-2018 20:41

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970382)
Mueller hasn't reported yet, there's probably too much to tell ! Trump may try and sack him before the truth comes out about Russia, but the truth will come out one way or another...

Or as is more likely the case - nothing to tell because it never happened, except by the DNC and Hillary, paying for the Russian intel via Fusion GPS, in the form of the Dossier.

1andrew1 12-11-2018 20:51

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970389)
Or as is more likely the case - nothing to tell because it never happened, except by the DNC and Hillary, paying for the Russian intel via Fusion GPS, in the form of the Dossier.

It's been quite a productive year for the team. If Trump gets cleared of Russian collusion, as I hope he will, it will have still delivered on the conviction front.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35970388)
You should have a think about where devil worship leads.

Can you expand?

Mr K 13-11-2018 18:15

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Looks like there was a blue wave after all with late results going the Democrats way.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8631176.html
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. The consensus on election night seemed clear: although Democrats regained the House of Representatives for the first time in eight years, no blue wave had materialised.

A week later, the steady trickle of further gains in late results appear to reveal a far more positive picture for the party,

The Democrats have now picked up at least 32 seats in the House and are on course for four more, in addition to flipping seven governorships and eight state legislative chambers

Though the Republicans are on track to increase their Senate by two seats, they had expected more.

On Monday night, Democrat Kyrsten Sinema won Arizona’s Senate race, beating Martha McSally in a landmark victory to take the seat held by retiring Republican senator Jeff Flake.

It means the overall results in the first nationwide election of Donald Trump’s presidency represent the Democrats’ best midterm performance since 1974, a vote which came in the wake of Watergate and Richard Nixon’s resignation.

Mick 13-11-2018 18:29

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Those late votes look very suspicious, given custody of the ballots is being called in to question in some Senate races.

The Crooked Democrats only gained 32 Seats in the House ? - Obama lost 60+ in his first term LMAO.

No, that still was not a blue wave - Republicans still own the Senate / Supreme Court - White House. Try harder next time Mr K. :rolleyes:

Damien 13-11-2018 19:39

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970498)
Those late votes look very suspicious, given custody of the ballots is being called in to question in some Senate races.

Some states allow postal voting up until Election Day itself, military and out of state voters tend to come late too. It's also not unusual for votes to be counted way after Election Day, that happened in 2016 too, it's just that normally the margins are high enough for the networks to be confident in calling it based on the existing total in close elections that is not possible.

Besides it's Florida (again) where people are mostly wondering what the hell is going on.

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The Crooked Democrats only gained 32 Seats in the House ? - Obama lost 60+ in his first term LMAO.
It's not always the same seats up for grabs so it depends where they are. This time the map was not favourable to Democrats. The popular vote exceeded that that the Republicans got in 2010 for example but they got fewer seats for it. Generally Republicans need fewer votes per seat anyway. If the Democrats 'won' the popular vote by 6% they would have lost seats.

Mick 13-11-2018 19:47

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There was no blue wave though which Mr K was attributing to, in his last post.


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