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heero_yuy 02-07-2017 14:35
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Remainers made it abundantly clear what voting leave meant: £30bn emergency budget, city collapse, the four horsemen of the apocalypse, WWIII, death of your first-born, debut of the anti-Christ, the end of the world as we know it, blah, blah, blah.

No mention of the benefits of being in the EU, just dire, false predictions of what might happen if we left. Continued regurgitation of falsehoods by frustrated remainers does not make them facts.

Don't forget, we STILL voted to leave.

Osem 02-07-2017 15:49
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35905955)
Remainers made it abundantly clear what voting leave meant: £30bn emergency budget, city collapse, the four horsemen of the apocalypse, WWIII, death of your first-born, debut of the anti-Christ, the end of the world as we know it, blah, blah, blah.

No mention of the benefits of being in the EU, just dire, false predictions of what might happen if we left. Continued regurgitation of falsehoods by frustrated remainers does not make them facts.

Don't forget, we STILL voted to leave.
... but of course the Europhiles* only ever accept the referenda which go their way because they know best...

* those who see the EU as the only way forward as opposed to those who're perfectly happy being part of Europe but don't want to be part of a single European state run from Brussels.

Mr K 02-07-2017 20:07
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Why are Brexiters still desperately unhappy and complaining all the time ?? Things are are going how they planned aren't they ???

Or maybe they are realising how things might pan out and can't face the truth...

Mick 02-07-2017 22:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35905971)
Why are Brexiters still desperately unhappy and complaining all the time ?? Things are are going how they planned aren't they ???

Or maybe they are realising how things might pan out and can't face the truth...
Only people complaining and moaning is the likes of you and your few remainer buddies.

Typical of you misrepresenting what us Brexiteers think, maybe we are sick of seeing the same crap from the usual whiners... :rolleyes:

As for brexit. Bring it on. Then we can leave the corrupt and unbalanced economic disaster group for good. #StillNoRegrets

Ramrod 02-07-2017 22:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35905971)
Why are Brexiters still desperately unhappy and complaining all the time ?? Things are are going how they planned aren't they ???
We are unhappy at remoaners complaining and are complaining at remoners complaining. ;)

pip08456 02-07-2017 22:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35905985)
We are unhappy at remoaners complaining and are complaining at remoners complaining. ;)
Remoaners just keep complaining Ad Nauseam.

1andrew1 02-07-2017 22:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35905971)
Why are Brexiters still desperately unhappy and complaining all the time ?? Things are going how they planned aren't they ???

Or maybe they are realising how things might pan out and can't face the truth...
Agreed. Leavers like to complain, if it's not about the EU it's about people who express alternative views to them.

pip08456 02-07-2017 22:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35905991)
Agreed. Leavers like to complain, if it's not about the EU it's about people who express alternative views to them.
No Andrew, we complain about you and your ilk who continuously post negative reports and surveys from pro EU sources.

1andrew1 02-07-2017 23:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35905993)
No Andrew, we complain about you and your ilk who continuously post negative reports and surveys from pro EU sources.
Every source is pro-EU according to leavers.

Stuart 02-07-2017 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35905993)
No Andrew, we complain about you and your ilk who continuously post negative reports and surveys from pro EU sources.
I was listening to a financial expert explain exactly WHY the predictions are so negative. He didn't say whether he was pro eu or anti, but I would argue that whether he is pro or anti is almost irrelevant as I suspect he was telling the truth.
Do you know why the predictions are so negative? Simple. The government is releasing almost nothing about their plans (apart from the odd soundbite and repeating the frankly meaningless phrase "Brexit Means Brexit"). As such, in the absence of any actual hard info, the experts have to go for a worst-case scenario, to ensure their clients are ready. In short "Expect the worst, hope for the best".

1andrew1 02-07-2017 23:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35905998)
I was listening to a financial expert explain exactly WHY the predictions are so negative. He didn't say whether he was pro eu or anti, but I would argue that whether he is pro or anti is almost irrelevant as I suspect he was telling the truth.
Do you know why the predictions are so negative? Simple. The government is releasing almost nothing about their plans (apart from the odd soundbite and repeating the frankly meaningless phrase "Brexit Means Brexit"). As such, in the absence of any actual hard info, the experts have to go for a worst-case scenario, to ensure their clients are ready. In short "Expect the worst, hope for the best".
Plan for the worst, hope things won't be as bad is the approach many businesses are taking.
Interesting to see some busineses are trying to help salvage matters, knowing that the Government's approach (as Stuart has noted) is less than optimum.
Quote:
A City of London delegation will head to Brussels this week with a secret blueprint for a post-Brexit free-trade deal on financial services, as concern mounts about the damage facing employers if they are forced to move operations to the continent.
The initiative, led by Mark Hoban, the former City minister, is independent of government but has the unofficial support of senior figures in Whitehall, according to three people close to the project.
https://www.ft.com/content/558b82dc-...7-502f7ee26895

Mick 03-07-2017 00:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35905998)
I was listening to a financial expert explain exactly WHY the predictions are so negative. He didn't say whether he was pro eu or anti, but I would argue that whether he is pro or anti is almost irrelevant as I suspect he was telling the truth.
Do you know why the predictions are so negative? Simple. The government is releasing almost nothing about their plans (apart from the odd soundbite and repeating the frankly meaningless phrase "Brexit Means Brexit"). As such, in the absence of any actual hard info, the experts have to go for a worst-case scenario, to ensure their clients are ready. In short "Expect the worst, hope for the best".
Predictions are Predictions. No one has the ability to predict the truth at all. But here is the truth, UK managed before the existence of EU and it can manage again.

I'm surprised these so called financial experts, have nothing to say about what they think of the EU blocks sustainability, with less countries paying in than those who get paid out, this to me is a financial catastrophe waiting to happen.

denphone 03-07-2017 05:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35905985)
We are unhappy at remoaners complaining and are complaining at remoners complaining. ;)
No moaning from me my dear as lets move along now.;):waving:

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35905988)
Remoaners just keep complaining Ad Nauseam.
Some not all..:)

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35905991)
Agreed. Leavers like to complain, if it's not about the EU it's about people who express alternative views to them.
One should respect that everybody has differing views and opinions on this thread and others as that is free speech and democracy at work whether one likes it or not..

heero_yuy 03-07-2017 10:54
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A think-tank said Ireland should give 'serious consideration' to leaving the EU

The Republic could opt to remain with the UK in a customs and free-trade area, while negotiating as favourable as possible exit terms with the remaining 26 member states, Policy Exchange added.

<snip>

The document was drawn up by former Irish diplomat Ray Bassett.
Source

So the cracks start to appear. :)

OLD BOY 03-07-2017 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35905998)
I was listening to a financial expert explain exactly WHY the predictions are so negative. He didn't say whether he was pro eu or anti, but I would argue that whether he is pro or anti is almost irrelevant as I suspect he was telling the truth.
Do you know why the predictions are so negative? Simple. The government is releasing almost nothing about their plans (apart from the odd soundbite and repeating the frankly meaningless phrase "Brexit Means Brexit"). As such, in the absence of any actual hard info, the experts have to go for a worst-case scenario, to ensure their clients are ready. In short "Expect the worst, hope for the best".
Well I have to take issue witb the comment tbat the government is releasing 'almost nothing' about its plans. Does anyone seriously believe this?

The main things people need to know are that we will be leaving the Common Market (because unless we do so we will have to accept free movement of people and EU legislation) and we will be leaving the Customs Union (because unless we do, we will not be able to strike deals with the rest of the world, which is essential for the strategy to work).

There are lots of other issues too, such as the rights of EU/UK citizens who are living and working abroad, security co-operation, border controls, nuclear safeguards and so on, but these have already been addressed by the Government in the House of Commons.

I really cannot understand what it is that people are desperate to know. The government cannot give absolute fine detail on everything, because this is a negotiation, but everything will be very clear by the end of those negotiations.

To claim that there is next to no information is far from the truth, and I believe, deliberately misleading.

Osem 03-07-2017 13:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35906029)
Well I have to take issue witb the comment tbat the government is releasing 'almost nothing' about its plans. Does anyone seriously believe this?

The main things people need to know are that we will be leaving the Common Market (because unless we do so we will have to accept free movement of people and EU legislation) and we will be leaving the Customs Union (because unless we do, we will not be able to strike deals with the rest of the world, which is essential for the strategy to work).

There are lots of other issues too, such as the rights of EU/UK citizens who are living and working abroad, security co-operation, border controls, nuclear safeguards and so on, but these have already been addressed by the Government in the House of Commons.

I really cannot understand what it is that people are desperate to know. The government cannot give absolute fine detail on everything, because this is a negotiation, but everything will be very clear by the end of those negotiations.

To claim that there is next to no information is far from the truth, and I believe, deliberately misleading.
Yup. :tu:

I don't recall many of these people seeming equally concerned about wanting to know what the EU they want to remain part of has planned for the future and what guarantees they can give about it all.

Mick 04-07-2017 11:18
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Oh dear. Are the cracks already showing?..... Juncker loses it in EU Parliament today....



Made my day seeing old pissant, Juncker getting two slap downs in one day. :bsmack::rofl:

Kursk 04-07-2017 13:36
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35906119)
Oh dear. Are the cracks already showing?..... Juncker loses it in EU Parliament today....

Made my day seeing old pissant, Juncker getting two slap downs in one day. :bsmack::rofl:
Haha, perhaps 88 is the number of times Junckers will be shot down in flames :D.

Uncle Peter 04-07-2017 14:10
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906138)
Haha, perhaps 88 is the number of times Junckers will be shot down in flames :D.
Are you sure that old Fokker wasn't a Messerschmitt ?

Kursk 04-07-2017 14:47
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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35906142)
Are you sure that old Fokker wasn't a Messerschmitt ?
:D A Stan Boardman classic as told to Des O'Connor. Brilliant.

TheDaddy 04-07-2017 16:20
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906145)
:D A Stan Boardman classic as told to Des O'Connor. Brilliant.
It was so good he's still doing the same gag nearly 40 years later

Uncle Peter 04-07-2017 17:00
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35906153)
It was so good he's still doing the same gag nearly 40 years later
I think his gag writer died about 40 years ago..... Not from laughter

RizzyKing 04-07-2017 18:38
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To be honest i think juncker holds the EU parliament in as much contempt as he holds normal citizens he'd much prefer the commission to run everything and hold all the power.

1andrew1 04-07-2017 22:18
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"Vote Leave, take back control" Dominic Cummings now appreciates the truth about Brexit and describes the referendum as a 'dumb idea' - shaping up to be a 'guaranteed debacle'. Hopefully, Cable Forum readers will understand his journey.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7822386.html

gba93 04-07-2017 22:30
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35906182)
"Vote Leave, take back control" Dominic Cummings now appreciates the truth about Brexit and describes the referendum as a 'dumb idea' - shaping up to be a 'guaranteed debacle'. Hopefully, Cable Forum readers will understand his journey.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7822386.html
As always focusing on those issues that could be a problem when we leave - never looking at the problems that would exist if we had stayed (e.g. Austria are preparing to send troops and armour to their border with Italy because of immigration issues).

1andrew1 04-07-2017 23:12
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Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35906184)
As always focusing on those issues that could be a problem when we leave - never looking at the problems that would exist if we had stayed (e.g. Austria are preparing to send troops and armour to their border with Italy because of immigration issues).
Not sure you've read and digested the article. :confused:

RizzyKing 05-07-2017 00:58
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He's the moron behind the ridiculous 350 million to the nhs rubbish how seriously am i supposed to take him and also being honest he strikes me as the type that is happy to change his views depending on whose paying him. Andrew you can trot out as many so called converts as you want we had the vote the vote was to leave and despite the constant faffing around amongst the talking heads brigade hard brexit is coming. We are leaving the EU and despite the predictions of doom for the UK have you been keeping up with whats going on within the EU???.

Austria is coming close to forcefully closing their border, unrest against immigrants in Germany is increasing and a number of their army bases are under investigation, Hungary is ignoring the EU and throwing immigrants out and protests are increasing in Poland and that's just immigration. Add in the financial troubles that are currently brewing in southern europe and the EU isn't looking quite so much of a utopia and they haven't started to address losing the 2nd biggest contributor instead throwing silly amount divorce settlements around that even pro EU legal experts have said are rubbish.

The EU is on the edge of a precipice and juncker is throwing temper tantrums in the parliament yes very convincing it beggers belief we dared to leave the paradise isn't it.

papa smurf 05-07-2017 09:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35906187)
Not sure you've read and digested the article. :confused:
no need to read we already know the content of your brexit posts .

daveeb 05-07-2017 10:47
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35906187)
Not sure you've read and digested the article. :confused:
Andrew have you not realised yet that the only articles worth posting links to are in the Mail, Sun and similar premium quality journals. Everything else is biased, unbalanced, lefty nonsense, and definitely not worth reading. ;)

Kursk 05-07-2017 10:56
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Look, we're leaving and you're coming with us and we don't give a bugger :D.

ianch99 05-07-2017 10:58
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906224)
Look, we're leaving and you're coming with us and we don't give a bugger :D.
Yup, that about sums up the Brextremist attitude ..

Kursk 05-07-2017 11:03
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906225)
Yup, that about sums up the Brextremist attitude ..
We're still leaving :p:.

papa smurf 05-07-2017 11:14
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906229)
We're still leaving :p:.
and he's still coming with us :rofl:

Kursk 05-07-2017 11:19
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906231)
and he's still coming with us :rofl:
Yup :cleader:

papa smurf 05-07-2017 11:23
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906234)
Yup :cleader:
i love democracy it's what the people want

ianch99 05-07-2017 13:40
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906231)
and he's still coming with us :rofl:
and you still don't give a bugger :)

I would like to thank you all for your honesty. No Double standards here then. You don't give a damn about what half of the country thinks and are quite happy and content for the country to be worse off (in many ways) if this transpires to be the case.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906238)
i love democracy it's what the people want
Let me correct that for you:

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i love democracy it's what 37% of the Electorate and 27% of the UK population voted for

Kursk 05-07-2017 13:56
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906250)
Let me correct that for you:
And let me confirm for you: we're STILL leaving and you're STILL coming with us and we STILL don't give a bugger :D.

Mick 05-07-2017 13:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906250)

Let me correct that for you:
Not this nonsense again. You have not corrected anything.

'What time is it, must be 6am, time for some Sonny and Cher, It's Groundhog Day!' :rolleyes:

Kursk 05-07-2017 14:16
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35906255)
Not this nonsense again. You have not corrected anything.

'What time is it, must be 6am, time for some Sonny and Cher, It's Groundhog Day!' :rolleyes:
And listen, they're singing the Brexit song: "we don't give a bugger, babe" :p:

RizzyKing 05-07-2017 15:46
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Ianch why should we care if the result had gone remains way you wouldn't care what leave supporters wanted and we'd have had just as big a dose of smugness. As usual when stuff that's happening in the EU that isn't all good it's a deafening silence from the pro EU group keeping to the mantra of everythings ok if we don't talk about it. I predict by the time we legally leave things will be worse in the EU and those headlines will far outnumber negative brexit headlines.

papa smurf 05-07-2017 15:49
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35906271)
Ianch why should we care if the result had gone remains way you wouldn't care what leave supporters wanted and we'd have had just as big a dose of smugness. As usual when stuff that's happening in the EU that isn't all good it's a deafening silence from the pro EU group keeping to the mantra of everythings ok if we don't talk about it. I predict by the time we legally leave things will be worse in the EU and those headlines will far outnumber negative brexit headlines.
they don't care what we want now ,that's why they are constantly trying to overturn it .

Osem 05-07-2017 16:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35906271)
Ianch why should we care if the result had gone remains way you wouldn't care what leave supporters wanted and we'd have had just as big a dose of smugness. As usual when stuff that's happening in the EU that isn't all good it's a deafening silence from the pro EU group keeping to the mantra of everythings ok if we don't talk about it. I predict by the time we legally leave things will be worse in the EU and those headlines will far outnumber negative brexit headlines.
Correct. :tu:


Meanwhile:

Quote:
London remains Europe's number one hub for technology investment despite Brexit, with record levels of capital flowing in, say officials in the city.
In the first half of 2017, private equity investment in the capital's tech sector totalled £4.5bn, said the Mayor of London's agency, London & Partners.
At the same time, venture capital invested £1.1bn in London's tech firms.
That total was more than in any other six-month period in the past decade, the agency said.
The city's "fundamental strengths" as a centre for technology and business were unchanged, said London & Partners.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40496569

Mayor Khan will be delighted I'm sure.

Kursk 05-07-2017 17:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35906271)
Ianch why should we care if the result had gone remains way you wouldn't care what leave supporters wanted and we'd have had just as big a dose of smugness. As usual when stuff that's happening in the EU that isn't all good it's a deafening silence from the pro EU group keeping to the mantra of everythings ok if we don't talk about it. I predict by the time we legally leave things will be worse in the EU and those headlines will far outnumber negative brexit headlines.
In their defence, starry-eyed youngsters only ever see good in everything. They are lucky to have our hard-earned experience to guide them. And if they don't want that guidance, they're getting it anyway because we don't give a bugger.

TheDaddy 05-07-2017 19:43
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35905896)
He's probably on about the devaluation of the pound which some pro remain group has interpreted as a household loss since the referendum. Andrew what you need to really start understanding is that despite the constant remain groups saying "we didn't know what we voted for" a large majority of leave voters did understand. We simply felt it was a price worth paying to be out of the EU, personally i expect to be worse off for a good decade maybe more but in time greater prosperity will be enjoyed by my kids.
I spent more than 10 years being poorer thanks to the EU, no one listened to me back then, in fact people on here were quite rude, why should I have to suffer twice now people have seen the light once it's far to late.

1andrew1 05-07-2017 19:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906205)
no need to read we already know the content of your brexit posts .
As someone on this forums says, "Links posted from news sources are not necessarily my opinion. I don't have the time or the crayons to keep explaining this." :)

RizzyKing 05-07-2017 20:09
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But you do tend to only put up the negative side Andrew and ignore the positive so you can hardly be surprised that you attract the odd accusation.

1andrew1 05-07-2017 20:39
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35906303)
But you do tend to only put up the negative side Andrew and ignore the positive so you can hardly be surprised that you attract the odd accusation.
I've posted positive news in the past but a poll of people is neither good news nor bad news, it's a poll but people still feel that's negative.
My posts represent the situation at the moment. There is currently a story in The Standard at the moment blaming future train price hikes on Brexit. That's accurate of course but we all know that inflation has come from the Pound's post-Brexit vote devaluation so as it does not add to our learnings I've not posted it. If I wanted to make a point I would have done.

papa smurf 05-07-2017 22:31
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35906301)
As someone on this forums says, "Links posted from news sources are not necessarily my opinion. I don't have the time or the crayons to keep explaining this." :)
except the links are mirroring your opinion over and over every day ,it must be hard work trawling the bowels of the media to find this negative repetitive remoaner drivel ,but no hard feelings i know it's all the losing side have left after the country voted out ,your just going through the stages of the grieving process i'm sure you'll work your way through it and if being a negative nelly helps then go for it no leave voter cares :shrug:

1andrew1 05-07-2017 22:45
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906315)
except the links are mirroring your opinion over and over every day ,it must be hard work trawling the bowels of the media to find this negative repetitive remoaner drivel ,but no hard feelings i know it's all the losing side have left after the country voted out ,your just going through the stages of the grieving process i'm sure you'll work your way through it and if being a negative nelly helps then go for it no leave voter cares :shrug:
As I've explained, the articles I've posted represent developments in the ongoing Brexit saga. They don't represent my opinions and like your good self, I don't have the time or crayons to state this all the time.
In fact, quite how reporting that the guy who came up with the bus slogan is having second thoughts reflects my opinion when I'm not having second thoughts is particularly intriguing. Maybe I AM having second thoughts but keeping it quiet! :D

RizzyKing 06-07-2017 00:25
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Brexit has become the easy goto excuse for increasing prices in many areas and it's all driven by nothing because nothing has actually happened yet and won't for nearly two years but the amount of people in this country happy to downplay the UK has surprised me. I never realised how many people were so scared of change that any change sends them into near panic, what's not a surprise is the number of *******s cashing in on it those lowlifes are a constant it seems. I can just about believe that the future will be bright for the UK out of the EU and unless it drastically changes there will not be an EU in ten years time. But as is always the case the biggest enemies to any country are those within it's border's undermining that country and we have no shortage.

Damien 06-07-2017 11:39
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35906321)
Brexit has become the easy goto excuse for increasing prices in many areas
The drop in the value of the pound unquestionably drives up the relative cost of imports. If a product costs $100 and the pound has dropped 15% against the dollar then it's going to cost 15% more to buy it.

Anyway the EU has agreed a trade deal with Japan: http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-an...ade-agreement/

Taken 4 years and likely one or two more. Big deal seems to be EU access to food markets and a drop in tariffs on Japanese cars. But it's a reminder that there is no such thing as a single 'trade deal', it's a collection of regulations, laws and agreements bundled together.

Kursk 06-07-2017 13:11
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35906356)
The drop in the value of the pound unquestionably drives up the relative cost of imports. If a product costs $100 and the pound has dropped 15% against the dollar then it's going to cost 15% more to buy it.

Anyway the EU has agreed a trade deal with Japan: http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-an...ade-agreement/

Taken 4 years and likely one or two more. Big deal seems to be EU access to food markets and a drop in tariffs on Japanese cars. But it's a reminder that there is no such thing as a single 'trade deal', it's a collection of regulations, laws and agreements bundled together.
I bet the trade deal with Japan doesn't include the free movement of people ;).

Damien 06-07-2017 13:26
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906372)
I bet the trade deal with Japan doesn't include the free movement of people ;).
No but then I've never claimed a trade deal is analogous to the single market because the former is significantly more restrictive.

papa smurf 06-07-2017 13:27
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is there a big market for radio active produce ?

Kursk 06-07-2017 13:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35906378)
No but then I've never claimed a trade deal is analogous to the single market because the former is significantly more restrictive.
Never said you did?

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906381)
is there a big market for radio active produce ?
Well, at least it'll be cooked.

Damien 06-07-2017 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906381)
is there a big market for radio active produce ?
We (well the French and the Chinese) are building a nuclear power plant.

papa smurf 06-07-2017 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906383)
Never said you did?



Well, at least it'll be cooked.
i've herd of food having a shelf life but never a half-life ;)

OLD BOY 06-07-2017 13:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906392)
i've herd of food having a shelf life but never a half-life ;)
I've heard it radiates goodness.

Kursk 06-07-2017 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906392)
i've herd of food having a shelf life but never a half-life ;)
The new, EU food safety label:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/07/2.jpg

papa smurf 06-07-2017 13:57
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35906395)
I've heard it radiates goodness.
it has glowing reports

heero_yuy 06-07-2017 14:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35906356)
Anyway the EU has agreed a trade deal with Japan: http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-an...ade-agreement/

Taken 4 years and likely one or two more. Big deal seems to be EU access to food markets and a drop in tariffs on Japanese cars. But it's a reminder that there is no such thing as a single 'trade deal', it's a collection of regulations, laws and agreements bundled together.
One has to remember that the EU is a ramshackle alliance of 28, soon to be 27, nation states all with their own requirements on a trade deal and special interest groups to appease. That makes it take time. The UK is one state, a lot less complex.

OLD BOY 06-07-2017 14:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35906409)
One has to remember that the EU is a ramshackle alliance of 28, soon to be 27, nation states all with their own requirements on a trade deal and special interest groups to appease. That makes it take time. The UK is one state, a lot less complex.
Correct. This would not be the case in a Federal Europe with one federal government, which although not wanted by the majority, would at least make Europe work more efficiently. Hell, even the Euro could be made to work in a United States of Europe.

Two examples of wrong decisions being made on setting up this whole convoluted structure which have condemned this monolithic bureaucracy to failure.

Implosion imminent.

Pierre 06-07-2017 21:13
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Read this:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=3924

Then this:

https://www.ft.com/content/56ad41e6-...4-0ac7eb84e5f1

As mentioned many times on here, London is a "Global" financial hub.

ianch99 06-07-2017 21:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35906306)
I've posted positive news in the past but a poll of people is neither good news nor bad news, it's a poll but people still feel that's negative.
My posts represent the situation at the moment. There is currently a story in The Standard at the moment blaming future train price hikes on Brexit. That's accurate of course but we all know that inflation has come from the Pound's post-Brexit vote devaluation so as it does not add to our learnings I've not posted it. If I wanted to make a point I would have done.
Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

Kursk 06-07-2017 21:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906473)
Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.
Can anyone else hear a violin playing? :D

daveeb 06-07-2017 22:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906473)
Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.
Spot on mate, i'd save your breath though. Try a kipper forum, you might get a more reasoned response. :rolleyes:

pip08456 06-07-2017 22:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906474)
Can anyone else hear a violin playing? :D
I wish he'd tune it first!

1andrew1 06-07-2017 22:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906473)
Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.
I just believe in democracy and freedom of expression and acknowledge that in politics, there's often never a right or wrong answer. I guess that makes me an old-fashioned liberal.
I've never been the greatest fan of the EU (but most of us in the UK haven't) but some of the inaccuracies peddled in the name of Brexit make Tony Blair look like a saint on steroids!
The truth of the matter is that there is a trade-off between control of your country and its prosperity. That's an uncomfortable truth for some but not all Brexiters. If you don't want to accept the rulings of global courts then that rules out WTO membership which is the North Korean situation.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35906412)
Correct. This would not be the case in a Federal Europe with one federal government, which although not wanted by the majority, would at least make Europe work more efficiently. Hell, even the Euro could be made to work in a United States of Europe.

Two examples of wrong decisions being made on setting up this whole convoluted structure which have condemned this monolithic bureaucracy to failure.

Implosion imminent.
When is imminent? People here predicted its demise five years ago. Since then it's expanded and has just signed a trade deal with Japan.

ianch99 06-07-2017 23:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906474)
Can anyone else hear a violin playing? :D
Contempt, ridicule or both :)

Kursk 07-07-2017 00:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906487)
Contempt, ridicule or both :)
Sympathy, as SS Ridiculous goes down. The band forlornly playing the same old tune ;)

denphone 07-07-2017 04:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906473)
Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.
Look Andrew Brexit is happening as yes l don't agree with it , never did!!!! but its happening end of as one has to accept it and all its consequences even though l believe it won't be the panacea to end many of our ills as yes some want their country back and some want to make their own decisions again so l can accept that even though l would not trust politicians in this country as far as l could throw them as many would steal from their own mother and stab their closest friends in the back before ever considering the putting this country first and the betterment of others first before their own selfish political ends.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906473)
Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.
They don't show contempt and ridicule me as l have quite a few differing opinions so just laugh it off ianch and just keep posting what you believe in end of....

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906474)
Can anyone else hear a violin playing? :D
Yes your own as you need to tune it a little bit better...;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35906478)
I wish he'd tune it first!
By heck another one that needs to play the violin properly.:D

papa smurf 07-07-2017 07:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35906474)
Can anyone else hear a violin playing? :D
thought it was a harp- he's always harping on about remaining ;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906487)
Contempt, ridicule or both :)
it's free take both :)

Mr K 07-07-2017 08:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906473)
Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

very true. I've noticed Brexiters becoming angrier as they realise the fate of the country, and that their families will be badly affected. People will never admit their mistakes, even if they know they're wrong, particularly on the interweb ;) The EU isn't perfect, but the alternative is worse as we'll find out.

RizzyKing 07-07-2017 08:23
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The only anger such as maybe is because some just will not accept the decision are happy to constantly talk down the UK and seize every negative article they can to push their own superiority of belief and some even claim they are being pro democracy it's very tiresome. Most leave voters were well aware of the possible consequences of leaving we couldn't really miss it as it was the complete focus of the remain campaign and at the end of the day decided it was a price worth paying to be out of the EU.

Actually if anything regarding the consequences MrK we are happier no world war 3 or emergency budget cutting everything to the bone. Yes the pound has devalued it had before while we were members of the EU and it will again in the future and would have if we'd stayed in the EU they are called currency speculators and they are going nowhere. Yet again not a word on the growing troubles within the EU the usual suspects just ignore all that and post a few more anti brexit articles it's not anger we have it's a growing sense of boredom and deja vu.

papa smurf 07-07-2017 08:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35906509)
very true. I've noticed Brexiters becoming angrier as they realise the fate of the country, and that their families will be badly affected. People will never admit their mistakes, even if they know they're wrong, particularly on the interweb ;) The EU isn't perfect, but the alternative is worse as we'll find out.
we aren't angry we are just laughing at the remoaners and klingons getting all uppity co's they can't have their own way [ party on dude ] :)

Kursk 07-07-2017 08:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906511)
we aren't angry we are just laughing at the remoaners and klingons getting all uppity co's they can't have their own way [ party on dude ] :)
Yep, plus we don't give a bugger. We're leaving and they're coming with us :D

Mick 07-07-2017 08:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35906509)
very true. I've noticed Brexiters becoming angrier as they realise the fate of the country, and that their families will be badly affected. People will never admit their mistakes, even if they know they're wrong, particularly on the interweb ;) The EU isn't perfect, but the alternative is worse as we'll find out.
Another day and another dose of more delusional, doom and gloom rubbish from you. :rolleyes:

Guess what?

How many times do I and others, have to insist that my/their vote to leave is one I/they do NOT regret?

That I and others who rightly voted to leave, have made no mistakes?!?!?!

You're slightly right on one thing, EU is not perfect, it is damn right ugly, it's unbalanced and full of corruption and we are rightly leaving it, remaining in this unbalanced economic bloc would be bad!!!#StillNoRegrets #StillHappyWithMyLeaveVote

Ramrod 07-07-2017 09:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35906509)
very true. I've noticed Brexiters becoming angrier as they realise the fate of the country, and that their families will be badly affected.
Honestly, that's not why we're angry. It's because there is a constant drip of negativity and doom mongering from remainers as well as various plots to scupper leave.
Quote:
The EU isn't perfect, but the alternative is worse as we'll find out.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one m8 :)

OLD BOY 07-07-2017 09:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35906509)
very true. I've noticed Brexiters becoming angrier as they realise the fate of the country, and that their families will be badly affected. People will never admit their mistakes, even if they know they're wrong, particularly on the interweb ;) The EU isn't perfect, but the alternative is worse as we'll find out.
Control of who comes into this country. No more ridiculous EU legislation of the 'straight bananas' ilk. No more inability to kick out criminals and jihadi supporters who previously entered this country from abroad. Freedom to trade with the rest of the world as well as the EU. No more wasted payments into the EU.

Why exactly is the alternative to the EU worse, in your opinion? It beggars belief that anyone can say that without laughing.

When you eventually see the EU disintegrating, maybe you will start to acknowledge our good sense in pulling out.

ianch99 07-07-2017 10:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35906523)
Control of who comes into this country
You mean how we control the larger non-EU migration :rofl:

papa smurf 07-07-2017 10:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906526)
You mean how we control the larger non-EU migration :rofl:
nothing like a slow cruise up denial :)

Mick 07-07-2017 11:25
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35906529)
nothing like a slow cruise up denial :)
And that ship has a leak that's just keeps getting bigger. ;)

papa smurf 07-07-2017 11:27
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35906539)
And that ship has a leak that's just keeps getting bigger. ;)
it needs an EU bail out :rofl:

Hugh 07-07-2017 11:39
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/b...20170707131320

Quote:
UK businesses ‘not positive enough’ about huge meteor heading towards London

INTERNATIONAL trade secretary Liam Fox has complained that UK businesses are ‘ignoring the opportunities’ offered by the meteor set to impact central London in 2019.

Fox has told the business community and the media that they need to be more positive about the coming asteroid, which will replace the capital with an 180-mile diameter crater.

He continued: “Day after day I see the same moaning faces.“‘What’s the point in investing in developments that will be atomised in less than two years, Mr Fox?’ ‘Won’t this badly affect Britain’s standing in the international community, Mr Fox?’ ‘Can the meteor not be stopped, Mr Fox?’

“And the BBC, my lord. If I see one more report that begins ‘Despite the meteor, it may be possible for small communities in the Outer Hebrides to survive,’ I swear I’ll write a letter.

“What about looking at the upside? What about the expected boom in traditional hunter-gatherer businesses? What about world-leading low-carbon economy we’ll achieve at a stroke?

“This asteroid has chosen to hit Britain. Not France, America or China. Britain. Is it only me who sees that as an extraordinary privilege? Is it just me who cannot wait?"
:D

daveeb 07-07-2017 11:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35906542)
:D:D:tu:

OLD BOY 07-07-2017 12:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906526)
You mean how we control the larger non-EU migration :rofl:
Control over all migration.

We can't do that at the moment, and why would we wish to penalise non-EU migrants just because we cannot control the number of people coming into the UK from the EU?

When we can control ALL immigration, that's when we will apply the skills criteria to those wishing to come and live in this country.

ianch99 07-07-2017 17:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35906549)
Control over all migration.

We can't do that at the moment, and why would we wish to penalise non-EU migrants just because we cannot control the number of people coming into the UK from the EU?

When we can control ALL immigration, that's when we will apply the skills criteria to those wishing to come and live in this country.
Let me get this straight: for the last 20+ years, we have been letting in more non-EU migrants that we could control because we have a lesser number of EU migrants that we cannot control?

With logic like this, they need you on the Brexit Negotiation Committee!

Osem 07-07-2017 18:44
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Why should Brexiteers be at all concerned? It's not as though there's any previous record of perfectly legal EU related referenda being overturned by hook or by crook is there... :rolleyes:

We voted to leave the EU and we knew what leaving means. The remainers amongst us might not like it but they really ought to stop telling us we voted for something else and allow HMG to get on with it. There was no provision in the referendum for some form of Brexit proportional to the vote. It was in or out, one side lost. Get over it.

1andrew1 07-07-2017 20:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906576)
Let me get this straight: for the last 20+ years, we have been letting in more non-EU migrants that we could control because we have a lesser number of EU migrants that we cannot control?

With logic like this, they need you on the Brexit Negotiation Committee!
I think Old Boy must be a secret Remainer with arguments such as this most recent one. He's our secret weapon sent by Clegg to undermine the Leave camp. :D

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Ministers dash business hopes of transitional Brexit deal
Senior ministers have rejected calls by British business leaders for the UK to stay in the EU customs union and single market for a lengthy period after Brexit, raising fears of a bumpy transition to a new trading relationship with Europe...

But Philip Hammond, the chancellor, said on Friday that any transitional deal would not involve Britain remaining a member of either the customs union or single market, even though the government would do all it could to minimise “the shock” to business...

At the same time, Brexit secretary David Davis, meeting chief executives and business groups at Chevening House in Kent, dismissed the idea of Britain enjoying a transition deal that would leave it temporarily like Norway, which is not an EU member but is inside its economic and trading blocs....

Mr Hammond told reporters that Britain would definitely leave the EU, but said it would be “madness not to seek to have the closest possible” relations with the rest of Europe after Brexit.

He also confirmed that he wanted to see proof that Britain had lined up lucrative trade deals with non-EU countries before severing the UK’s links with the customs union, which would require the introduction of border checks and possible tariffs with Europe.

“The thing I remind colleagues is that if we lose access to our European markets, that will be an instant effect, overnight,” he said.
https://www.ft.com/content/b1706cf2-...7-502f7ee26895

TheDaddy 08-07-2017 08:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35906513)
Another day and another dose of more delusional, doom and gloom rubbish from you. :rolleyes:

Guess what?

How many times do I and others, have to insist that my/their vote to leave is one I/they do NOT regret?

That I and others who rightly voted to leave, have made no mistakes?!?!?!
You and "others" don't speak for all leavers, you don't even speak for all leavers on here, we all saw for ourselves how ignorant and mistaken some of the reasons for leaving some members here gave, we also saw rediculous reasons given by voters from both sides in the media, I posted pre vote that whatever the outcome it was a sad day for our democracy and think it more so when I hear someone say we have to respect the democratic outcome, why, when a hell of a lot of people didn't respect their vote enough to get their facts right prior to going into the booth. I'm not bitter about the result and I don't think it'll make a whole lot of difference to the lives of the vast majority of us but I have found the whole thing rather unpleasant and a little bit sad.

papa smurf 08-07-2017 10:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35906648)
You and "others" don't speak for all leavers, you don't even speak for all leavers on here, we all saw for ourselves how ignorant and mistaken some of the reasons for leaving some members here gave, we also saw rediculous reasons given by voters from both sides in the media, I posted pre vote that whatever the outcome it was a sad day for our democracy and think it more so when I hear someone say we have to respect the democratic outcome, why, when a hell of a lot of people didn't respect their vote enough to get their facts right prior to going into the booth. I'm not bitter about the result and I don't think it'll make a whole lot of difference to the lives of the vast majority of us but I have found the whole thing rather unpleasant and a little bit sad.
it was a sad day for your idea of what a democracy is, i suppose if the vote swung the other way it would be a great day for democracy .

Mick 08-07-2017 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35906648)
You and "others" don't speak for all leavers, you don't even speak for all leavers on here, we all saw for ourselves how ignorant and mistaken some of the reasons for leaving some members here gave, we also saw rediculous reasons given by voters from both sides in the media, I posted pre vote that whatever the outcome it was a sad day for our democracy and think it more so when I hear someone say we have to respect the democratic outcome, why, when a hell of a lot of people didn't respect their vote enough to get their facts right prior to going into the booth. I'm not bitter about the result and I don't think it'll make a whole lot of difference to the lives of the vast majority of us but I have found the whole thing rather unpleasant and a little bit sad.
No it was not a sad day, no I and others did not make any mistakes prior to voting leave, my reasons for leaving are totally justified and the right result was reached.

It was a glorious day and yes I believe I speak for most dedicated leavers and yes you and some of your remainer buddies are ridiculously bitter, and actually you are the ignorant ones, ignoring the fact how unbalanced the economics of the EU bloc are and wanting to stay in a corrupted mess. :rolleyes:

OLD BOY 08-07-2017 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35906596)
I think Old Boy must be a secret Remainer with arguments such as this most recent one. He's our secret weapon sent by Clegg to undermine the Leave camp. :D
Strange how you tend to twist things around when you read them, Andrew. Fascinating.

However, my point was that we need a balanced, controlled immigration policy. Not just people from Europe. My understanding is that the Government does not want to exclude all non Europeans. We have agreements with other countries such as India, and these would be compromised if we were to come down hard on them in favour of EU migrants.

My point is, the UK should have control over who comes in and is allowed to stay, not Mr Junker and his cronies, peripateting between Brussells and Strasbourg, opening all the floodgates as they go.

heero_yuy 08-07-2017 11:14
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CHINA’s leader told Theresa May last night that Brexit can be a “positive” influence for the world as he gave her his country’s full support for Britain’s EU talks.

President Xi Jinping told the PM that China’s decision to invest billions in the UK economy since last year’s EU vote “shows how much we’re confident in the UK” as even Mrs May’s staff revealed their surprise at Beijing’s optimism towards Brexit.

Both sides hailed the “golden era” between China and the UK – vowing to build a closer partnership betwen the two nations.

“The Chinese were incredibly positive,” a government source said, adding that the day as a whole had been “positive” for post-Brexit trade.
Source

More good Brexit news. :)

Osem 08-07-2017 11:28
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Quote:
US President Donald Trump has said he expects a "powerful" trade deal with the UK to be completed "very quickly".
Speaking at the G20 summit in Hamburg, he said he would go to London. Asked when, he said: "We'll work that out".
The US president was speaking ahead of talks with UK Prime Minister Theresa May to discuss post-Brexit trade deals.
It was one of a series of one-to-one meetings with world leaders which will also see Mrs May hold trade talks with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
Before their meeting, Mr Trump hailed the "very special relationship" he had developed with Mrs May.
"There is no country that could possibly be closer than our countries," he told reporters.
"We have been working on a trade deal which will be a very, very big deal, a very powerful deal, great for both countries and I think we will have that done very, very quickly."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340

Even more good news.

papa smurf 08-07-2017 11:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35906676)
we'll have to see what 1apocalyps1 counter attacks your good news with ;).

OLD BOY 08-07-2017 11:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35906673)
Source

More good Brexit news. :)
Good post, and a statement of the obvious from the Chinese leader.

It's a pity that the remainers seem to want to ignore the positives of leaving the EU and prefer to concentrate on the 'end of the world' scenarios, which are not going to happen.

Opening up trade with the rest of the world will be a good thing for the UK, the Commonwealth countries we abandoned when we joined the Common Market and the rest of the world. It will extend our influence rather than suppress it and bring more wealth to this country. What is more, the billions we pump into the EU will be available to the UK Government to spend or invest as it sees fit.

Hell, we could even spend it on the NHS, if we didn't want to see that money again or know where it went!

Osem 08-07-2017 12:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35906681)
Good post, and a statement of the obvious from the Chinese leader.

It's a pity that the remainers seem to want to ignore the positives of leaving the EU and prefer to concentrate on the 'end of the world' scenarios, which are not going to happen.

Opening up trade with the rest of the world will be a good thing for the UK, the Commonwealth countries we abandoned when we joined the Common Market and the rest of the world. It will extend our influence rather than suppress it and bring more wealth to this country. What is more, the billions we pump into the EU will be available to the UK Government to spend or invest as it sees fit.

Hell, we could even spend it on the NHS, if we didn't want to see that money again or know where it went!
I think for some of them it's worse than that - they'd rather see Brexit turn into a disaster than be a success for the UK. It's ideological and nothing anyone can say or do will change their minds. No matter what happens they'll always argue we'd have been better off inside the EU. They'll carry on undermining and delaying the process because they don't won't it to work.

Mr K 08-07-2017 14:23
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35906684)
I think for some of them it's worse than that - they'd rather see Brexit turn into a disaster than be a success for the UK. It's ideological and nothing anyone can say or do will change their minds. No matter what happens they'll always argue we'd have been better off inside the EU. They'll carry on undermining and delaying the process because they don't won't it to work.
Cobblers. It's in no one's interest to see the country go down the tubes. Certainly not for anyone who lives here or has children. It's not ideological; it a difference of opinion. There's still a lot to be decided on what Brexit actually will mean in practice. We need to have a very close relationship with EU if we've got any sense and get away from the xenophobic immigration obsession. The 'we won', 'you lost' football mentality of Brexiters doesn't help the country come together. We're all on the same side, we all lose or win.

papa smurf 08-07-2017 14:39
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35906693)
Cobblers. It's in no one's interest to see the country go down the tubes. Certainly not for anyone who lives here or has children. It's not ideological; it a difference of opinion. There's still a lot to be decided on what Brexit actually will mean in practice. We need to have a very close relationship with EU if we've got any sense and get away from the xenophobic immigration obsession. The 'we won', 'you lost' football mentality of Brexiters doesn't help the country come together. We're all on the same side, we all lose or win.
no we are not on the same side you and others like you would still opt to stay in the EU by whatever dubious means you could come up with regardless of the referendum result .


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