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Ok I feel I have to make a point here
Richard clearly has issues of some sort or another. I see possible symptoms of a few mental health issues of some sort or another (sorry Richard if I am wrong but you do display symptoms) I also know he winds a number of forum members here and some of them respond with comments I personally as some who does suffer from mental health issues as seriously distasteful and sometime discriminatory. When I first arrives here I did not know Richard and responses to some of his posts triggered me massively and put a huge chip on my shoulder which I directed here and elsewhere those who I saw to be discriminating against Richard and mental health as a whole. Almost to the point of getting banned. I am not pointing any fingers here just saying it how I saw it and see it and I almost triggered today due to my anxiety and my feelings on the subject. Imagine how that will look to others who may be browsing or looking to join? they come and see posts like this see like I did posts that could be taken as discrimination how will they feel? Also look at the subject and what the government are looking to do. Imagine for one minute this site gets reported and no matter how innocent the intent is misconstrued (which is very easy in text) and some sort of action is taken. I am not asking for miracles all I am asking is if Richard (or me) winds you up understand it could be because of his (or mine) mental health. I have come a long way (imo) since I joined and I bite my tongue as it were which is very hard as part of my condition is I tend to go off on one. If I can do it so can you |
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Nobody “really” knows anybody on here (apart from a small minority, of which I’m not). After being on here and interacting with posters you get to feel who is genuine and who is not. I personally have never been 100% certain Richard is genuine, I’m 50/50 on whether he’s genuine or just obnoxious. Probably 40/60. |
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Ii always try to be kind and understanding of others and their own personal issues. I believed that this was the decent way to treat others even before my diagnoses. You're so right, communicating via text can certainly make interaction more problematic to understand correctly, without the additional burden of having to deal with cognitive issues on top. I acknowledge that I can certainly get hold of the wrong end of the stick too. The best we can do is be kind and supportive of each other as there are so many people who don't understand (by fault or design) the difficulties that we face, |
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Please get back to the actual subject now, before any holes get dug too deep. :dig:
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I'll leave it up to the sites T&Cs and moderators to say what is and isn't acceptable. If something isn't accepted personally by some and no rules are broken then you just have to deal with it.
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I mean it would be nice if the person getting shitcanned was sent a message giving the reasons why they've had their membership removed (and think most do), but members don't own the page, they're not owed a membership. |
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Obsessive behaviour and misplaced resentment are also traits of those suffering from various conditions, including Aspergers syndrome.
If you come across this it has to be borne in mind that their distorted view of reality is completely genuine. Because they have poor social skills they are likely to be deliberately or unknowingly offensive. All I can advise is to think of it as their learning difficulty saying inappropriate & offensive things to you and not themselves. In my experience punishment or tit for tat responses will not work and is only likely to make the situation worse. This is relevant to the Online Safety Bill in the sense that, at first glance, they appear to be trolls who relish making unpleasent comments, to people. This can be viewed as bullying if one particular individual becomes a subject of their obsessive behaviour. The Online Safety Bill won't be perfect. Some parts will be found to be over zealous, whilst others may need to be amended to give stronger powers. Those who cannot help their inappropriate behaviour due to mental illness or disability do need to be stopped, but I think that the Act should contain measures to help and support them with only punitive measures being used as a last resort. |
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That seems like one helluva "Get Out Of Jail Free" card…
I’m sure it will never be abused/misused. |
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It's a difficult one as on the one hand inappropriate behaviour on the internet must be stamped out, but it wouldn't be appropriate to punish disabled people for doing something that they cannot help or don't even realise they're doing. Yet other people must be protected from them, who may also be disabled too. |
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So I can get away with anything if I identify as disabled.
Good game this, isn’t it? This is not going to work. |
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I have experience of one of your conditions because I have a family member and a friend who have Aspergers too.
I believe that it is incumbent on others to learn about these things so that they can understand the situation of others. I am currently living with people who are suffering from things like dementia or who have had stroke. If our various issues ever get us down, it's always worth remembering that there is always someone worse off than ourselves. ---------- Post added at 09:41 ---------- Previous post was at 09:23 ---------- Quote:
For example, because the NHS is now in such a mess? a lot of people are now getting frustrated and are taking it out on frontline staff because they are in pain, frightened etc. Many GP surgeries are now adopting a zero tolerance policy towards inappropriate behaviour. However, it wouldn't be appropriate to punish someone with Tourettes Syndromw for going in and shouting and/or using bad language. Are you suggesting that they should be punished for suffering from an affect of their condition? If so, I disagree. Someone with Aspergers cannot help how they think and the resulting resentment, sarcasm, rudeness etc comes about because of their misconceived ideas and genuinely held beliefs. They are not being unpleasent on purpose. It is down to the affects of a severe, life long & incurable learning disability. They need and deserve our help & support rather than punishment and i'm keen that the Online Safety Bill is sensitive to their needs. How this is achieved is above my pay scale! |
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Been thinking through the options that may have to be used to allow a forum such as ours survive this Bill, and, taking Richard's suggestions into account.
Some people have to wait years to get an official diagnosis, how would that effect rulings on perceved transgressions. Guilty untill proved innocent? Will all our posts have to be vetted before posting is approved? Or maybe we would all have to inform the owners of any medically confirmed conditions so that they could be taken into account in order to excuse any one who appears to relish making condescending and unpleasent personal comments? Would there need to be some form of moderator's decision added to such posts that are then allowed to be viewed? Maybe members could be required to list any relevant conditions in their signatures to explain why their posts are acceptable. ...I am sure none of use would ever wish to have this imposed I know I wouldn't. IMHO What ever solution is chosen there would be a detrimental effect on the flow on any discussions/debates. |
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Whatever is done will have to comply with other regulations such as GDPR, the Equalities Act etc. Some time back, an excellent point was made about a situation where a forum pre-approved all comments before publication in order to comply with the various requirements. By doing this they are effectively endorsing what is said and could become liable for action to be taken against them for doing so should a subsequent complaint be made. |
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This law will play havoc with forums and the right to free speech and I am appalled that this government is contemplating it at all. |
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I think the result will be that anybody on a forum who thinks they've been offended will get banned PDQ. :erm:
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All Richard is doing by posting how things will happen (in his opinion) is proving exactly how the proposed bill will not work!
The Online Safety bill will not only be a disaster but also unworkable and unenforceable. Referring to heero's comment that is easy done in a change to the T's & C's of use of the forum. Then they'll be whingeing about the forums they can't use becaused themselves to be excluded from membership. Depending on how it's worded those who could be offended won't be allowed to join. I look forward to the court cases that will arise and waste so much or public money on a flawed cause. I doubt Richard would bother about that though due to his agenda. |
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The Government is today expected to announce measures to protect children from the harmful effects of pornography.
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If the UK's rules are out of kilter of the rest of Europe, it will be interesting to see how organisations react.
Will they come up with UK-specific websites, ignore the legislation or just exit the country? What might be affordable for Meta and Google may not be affordable for Wikipedia or Duck Duck Go. |
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This legislation will put the owners of social media sites in an impossible position. This is basically an attack on free speech because it will lead to sites closing down and moderators being ultra-cautious of allowing even mildly controversial subjects to be discussed.
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It’s certainly in incoherent policy from a “small c” conservative perspective. Increased regulation that can only appeal to curtain twitchers.
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Currently I want to post a couple of things but I won't, not allowed. I will explain later.
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The people who are savvy and who want to access a service of course would. It’s cheap enough, and in fact if you are shopping around for subscription services can save yourself a wee bit in the process.
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The only people who will have their freedom of speech curtailed will be those who, by fault or design, are offensive to others. If an offensive remark is inadvertently made, they won't be thrown into prison, but will hopefully be educated and shown the error of their ways so that it doesn't happen again. If the offending behaviour is repeated I imagine that negative sanctions will be applied to ensure compliance to protect the site, its owner(s) and moderator(s). The final sanction, unless the remarks are so serious that more formal action needs to be taken against an offender, will be to ban them from the site. If the new legislation is applied correctly & consistently I believe that it will lead to a more positive experience for everybody and, as people think more thoroughly before they publish something online, life for moderators will actually become easier. One of the critiscisms of this bill was that people would have to think twice before they post something. Errr, yes was my response. ---------- Post added at 14:26 ---------- Previous post was at 14:19 ---------- The World at One today reported that the highest number of criminals are those who pose a sexual risk to children, with an estimated 1.6% of the population falling into this category. More and more companies are objecting to Governments wanting to view material sent via end to end encryption to track paedophiles, terrorists etc. At some point society via their various Governments are going to have to decide which is more important to them- Their privacy or the safety of themselves and their children. |
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I recommend people buy shares now in VPN providers. There stock will go through the roof once this offended user's charter comes in to effect. If i had the money i would start a VPN company myself :)
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How about we all calm down BEFORE we say something we regret.
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Admin have previously made it clear that this thread is not about me nor any disability that I have.
Every so often the usual few do their level best to bait, troll and make discriminatory comments All excellent examples of why the Online Safety Bill is needed though |
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Alternatively an excellent example of why the bill is disproportionate and excessive.
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Well, it's not just our Government who want to be able to circumvent end to end encryption in order to be able to detect paedophiles, terrorists etc.
A number of other companies have joined Whattsapp in saying they don't want this to happen amidst privacy concerns. Privacy is important and as jaymoss said earlier, Governments often use emotive subjects to obtain greater powers. On the other hand, it's perfectly reasonable that law enforcement and anti terrorist agencies will want to be able to detect and circumvent some of the most terrible acts in society. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. ---------- Post added at 13:03 ---------- Previous post was at 12:48 ---------- Those who enjoy being unpleasent to or bullying disabled people online will probably view this as a comedy programme, but I think decent right thinking people will be appalled if they wach Channel 4 at 10pm tomorrow evening. Quote:
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And presumably the perpetrators are already guilty of existing crimes?
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She's offended a lot of people with the title of the program. Doesn't matter what the context is, someone somewhere will always be offended by something or other. "A Channel 4 spokesperson supported Jones, stating: “This film is an authored documentary by Rosie Jones to raise awareness and educate viewers about the issue of ableism and the scale of abuse she and other disabled people face daily". “The use of the R-word in the documentary is within context of the subject matter being explored and specific to the abuse Rosie receives on social media. The film makes very clear it is an unacceptable and offensive ableist term and its inclusion was carefully considered in conversations with the editorial team, Rosie and a disability consultant.” Yet 3 contributors pulled out of the docu and had their material removed. |
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Its ill thought out, and badly implemented by people who are clearly clueless about technology, the internet, and how the vast majority of forums and other discussion systems work. They cant see any further than twitter, facebook and the 2 or 3 other large SM platforms. The phrase sledgehammer to crack a nut springs to mind. The "nut" gets crushed, no one wins. :dozey: |
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You see I am classed as disabled I have age related macular degeneration in one eye, I am deaf in both ears that requires me to use hearing aids to carry on a conversation. To top that I found out 19 weeks ago I have bladder cancer and will be having an OP on Monday to remove the tumour. Now I have never used my disability in any of my posts on this forum and was never going to. The fact is that there are those who use their disability as a badge of honor or to try and bend a conversation to there way of thinking. I do not care what other think of my disability and I certainly do not get wound up by any comments. I do not need others to be offended on my behalf or to spend money on a system that is doomed to fail. My outlook on life is to make the most of what I have and ignore the ignorant. Rant over :angel: |
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Well said, I'm very much the same. Bi-laterally deaf since birth, severe Crohn's Disease, now missing most of my bowel, had a rectal cancerous tumour removed resulting in loss of bowel control. Obviously not great combined with Crohn's disease. During the removal I ended up with Parsonage Turner Syndrome (Brachial Neuritis), I've now lost the use of my right arm. My neck C3/C4 have collapse on themselves which is now causing all kinds of problems. I also have Polycystic Kidney Disease and nearing the end of stage 3 Chronic Kidney Disease. Also Polycystic Liver Disease. All this (and a few other probs) has affected my mental health in quite a way but it's been considered normal due to everything that's gone and going on.
So like wise, sympathy is the last thing I want and I wouldn't get it as I don't use my conditions in any way shape or form to be treated any differently but I do have considerable restrictions in day to day life obviously. If someone wants to make fun of me, then as long as I can laugh with you then go for it. That's my outlook on life. |
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Some people such as yourself, Peanut and others on this forum enrich the world they inhabit others choose dark paths through life and use their disabilities as a weapon and never realise how much they are missing. Good luck on Monday I will be thinking of you. Jo xx |
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Many years ago, however, I was severely bullied from the minute I happened to mention that I had a disability (this was independently verified). Since then most of the perpetrators have become bored of it, been banned, seen the error of their ways or it transpired that they had a disability of their own that gave rise to their behaviour. Hopefully now that you have 'come out' as disabled, attitudes have changed and you or anyone else won't face what I did many years ago. There is now less than a handful who crawl out of the woodwork every now and again and egg each other on, the majority of people are fine. On this occasion it's saved me a job as we were each asked to produce five examples of online disability harrassment for our next zoom meeting. In the past a lot of people took the 'ignore the ignorant' outlook, but these days people simply won't put up with it and why should they? |
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Part of me thinks and will always think most of what you post on here with your direct lines to VM and 1001 discounts you have are all just fairy tales but sadly, there are people out there like that. If you want to take the fight to 'them' (them being who ever you want to go after this week) then you really need to be whiter than white when doing it. |
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You can't even come up with anything new these days, you just go on repeating the same nonsense whenever you get the opportunity.
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I am presuming (more in hope than expectation) that the Online Safety Bill when passed will target EVERYONE who offends against its provisions, including those with disabilities.
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On numerous occasions you’ve presumed to know anything about my condition and how it affects me. There are a handful of CF members who have met me in real life and a few others I have on my Facebook and therefore I chat to quite often. None, and I repeat NONE of them would agree with your “assessments” of how things affect me, and they know more about me than you will in a lifetime. I’m not offended by any of your “views”, you’re not relevant enough to cause me any offence. In part I almost pity you for how anything you consider is an “attack” on you is because of your “disability”. A tip for ya pal - it’s more about your self-imposed sense of superiority and knowledge, as well as you seeing fit to be offensive on here (due to your “disability” of course) yet crying out “oh infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me!!” if anything is said in return. It’s not just here you do it. I have a longtime mate on the admin team on Digital Spy and believe me you have a similar rep there. Sorry to be the one to bring all this to your attention (soz not soz) but there you go. What started off as what could have been a legitimate and interesting forum thread is constantly hijacked by the same person spouting the same brown-stuff and it’s been going around in circles for years. |
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I can only refer to what Richard posts on here. He has a sense of superiority and appears to know about everyone's disability except his own. If he dislikes VM so much why did he stay with them so long especially as he had "contacts in higher positions" in the company?
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Perhaps we should all identify as people with Tourette’s and everything will be back to normal. Do you not see yet how ridiculous all of this is? |
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A bigger highlight than that time OB left saying this was a leftie cesspit. Wonder where he is these days?
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From the Guardian.....
"Apple suggests iMessage and FaceTime could be withdrawn in UK over law change" https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...urity-features |
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