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Ultimate.Conj 08-12-2016 13:35

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874546)
But a V8 sounds better :p:

I'm getting 2 V6s, does that make a W12?....nah that's just stupid lol

Although it seems there are 8 tuners as 2 are being kept back....;)

MisterQ 08-12-2016 13:42

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RB2004 (Post 35874545)
I assume its called V6 because of the 6 tuners?

whens the V8, and V12 coming out lol? everyone knows a V12 Is better than a V6.

I thought it was the age they were targetting with TellyTubbyTablets and their "Hey there! Stuff's getter better" communication style :D

muppetman11 08-12-2016 13:52

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35874549)
I'm getting 2 V6s, does that make a W12?....nah that's just stupid lol

Although it seems there are 8 tuners as 2 are being kept back....;)

The 2 reserved tuners could easily be used for feeding live TV to a non PVR set top box like Tivo in the USA does.

RB2004 08-12-2016 13:56

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35874551)
The 2 reserved tuners could easily be used for feeding live TV to a non PVR set top box like Tivo in the USA does.

They was originally planning to use the VHD box as a TiVo box without recording capability, but it never saw the light :(

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35874549)
I'm getting 2 V6s, does that make a W12?....nah that's just stupid lol

Although it seems there are 8 tuners as 2 are being kept back....;)

if 2 are being held back, even better... a W16!

Jong1 08-12-2016 14:16

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35874534)
Sky's UHD currently doesn't include HDR but that said neither does BT's.

There is no difference in UHD support situation, specifically no HDR difference, between the V6 and Sky Q. The difference quoted was due to a misunderstanding by the reviewer, who said the Sky Q box was only HDMI 1.4 compatible.

Sky Q launched before the UHD service, so the HDMI capability was listed as HDMI 1.4 at the time. When Sky launched their UHD service they upgraded to HDMI 2.0 by firmware, necessary to support 4K/50 8-bit and 10-bit they now output.

There are two versions of HDR the boxes will need to be able to support in the future - HDR10 for most On Demand content and another, that has yet to be standardised, for live broadcast, but likely to be Hybrid Log Gamma, or HLG.

Sky said in the spring that they will do all they can to upgrade the box to support these two standards, once they are agreed, believe it should be possible, but can't say 100% until a broadcast standard is finalised. Virgin have said they will support HDR in the near future, but haven't talked about the two types, don't have any visible plans for broadcast HDR and are in the same position as Sky, chasing a yet-to-be-finalised standard (although, as the article linked above shows, The BBC are launching today test HLG broadcasts via iPlayer).

If Virgin have an advantage, it's because they are talking 7 or 8 months after Sky's last interview on the matter and probably have a clearer picture on broadcast AVR. On the other hand, they were not specific and could just have been talking support for HDR in On Demand content, and specifically for Netflix.

So really, we are still in limbo over "full" HDR support by both boxes and need to "watch this space".

Edit: seems the standards for broadcast HDR, which include HLG, are now "finalised but not yet published": http://www.insideci.co.uk/news/dvb-a...st-hdr-tv.aspx. So hopefully broadcasts using this will be incoming in the next year or so (iPlayer hopefully sooner).

Mad Max 08-12-2016 14:27

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874538)
If you need the extra tuners it provides or just want a faster box than you have just now then sure. It's not going to offer you anything in the way of 4K that you don't already have though as your TV will have Netflix built in anyway.

Will it be nice to have? Of course. The question is whether it's worth £65, or in my case as i'm not on a top tier package £115. Personally i don't think so and will be waiting until i can get it free when they do the bi-yearly subscription fee raise in a few months.

I was thinking about the football mate, some are showing games in 4K, I think? Might be BT, not sure, so would the V6 be capable of showing these games in 4K?

Ultimate.Conj 08-12-2016 14:32

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35874558)
I was thinking about the football mate, some are showing games in 4K, I think? Might be BT, not sure, so would the V6 be capable of showing these games in 4K?

If...or when (if you're feeling positive) we get 4K football/movies/on-demand, yeah the V6 will be able to show it.

Kabaal 08-12-2016 14:46

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I wonder whether BT and Sky will delay letting virgin have sports in 4K for a while, it's quite a big thing to be able to hold over their heads given the money in football these days.

Ultimate.Conj 08-12-2016 14:52

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874560)
I wonder whether BT and Sky will delay letting virgin have sports in 4K for a while, it's quite a big thing to be able to hold over their heads given the money in football these days.

I can imagine Sky & BT both holding out for as much as they can from Virgin for their 4K sports. It is big business after all.

Where VM may have some luck with Sky, is 4K movies and possibly on-demand 4K content for things like The Blacklist that is available on Sky Q.

Depends how much they want and how much VM are prepared to pay. Might not be in the next few weeks or months, but I would hazard a guess that VM are already in discussions....I hope lol

passingbat 08-12-2016 15:17

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35874561)
I can imagine Sky & BT both holding out for as much as they can from Virgin for their 4K sports. It is big business after all.

Where VM may have some luck with Sky, is 4K movies and possibly on-demand 4K content for things like The Blacklist that is available on Sky Q.

Depends how much they want and how much VM are prepared to pay. Might not be in the next few weeks or months, but I would hazard a guess that VM are already in discussions....I hope lol




The sensible business decision IMHO for Sky/BT, would be to hold on to them, as a USP, given that both boxes are equal and the only real distinguishing difference is personal usage requirements.

Ultimate.Conj 08-12-2016 15:19

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35874565)
The sensible business decision IMHO for Sky/BT, would be to hold on to them, as a USP, given that both boxes are equal and the only real distinguishing difference is personal usage requirements.

Did the same thing happen with HD, PB? I can't remember lol

It might take a while, but VM are in the business of providing content. Just how far/how much will they pay, to provide that content is anyone's guess at the moment when it comes to 4K.

I have faith....I think they'll come good :)

Rob King 08-12-2016 15:38

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob King (Post 35874406)
I rang Virgin Media tonight to order the V6 box after 24 hours i decided to go ahead i spoke with a Asian lady who told me i would need to pay £99 plus £15 Activation fee and that i need to keep my old tivo box that will cost me £7.50 more a month she told me that the V6 would Launch in January 2017, i do wish these customer service people would read up before speaking with us m btw i was told yesterday i would pay £64 for my V6 box i wish i had ordered it yesterday lol

**** UPDATE 8TH Dec ******

I rang Virgin media to try to order the V6 Box i mentioned that i rang last night and got a install for 5th Jan 2017 the lady last night told me sooo much BS they person i spoke with couldn't believe what the lady said to me i even got the Activation Fee FREE and even got Sky Sports and Movie £20 less a Month for 6 months so i'm a happy Bunny , it looks like you have to have your modem next to your superhub i just hope they got to alter the Traffic Management before too much data is used

passingbat 08-12-2016 15:42

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35874566)
Did the same thing happen with HD, PB? I can't remember lol


There were several years delay, and VM (Telewest then?) ended up selling the channels they owned and associated content to Sky in exchange for HD plus restoration of Sky channels that had been withheld by Sky in a financial dispute. It wasn't quite as simple as that but that was the outcome. A few months after that, Sky launched Atlantic and kept it exclusive.

swindonindieguy 08-12-2016 16:03

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I thought I would share my renegotiation with Virgin in the hope that it could help someone.

We have 200mb BB, XL TV and Talk Weekends (paying now the deals ended £51.49 + the line rental with a 1TB Tivo and an additional basic box upstairs.

Currently come to the end of our deal with Virgin and had cancelled on the 30th November, when I spoke to an adviser and raised a complaint about his attitude, I didn't hear anything back and then spoke to someone from the complaints team yesterday who offer who could offer me £48 per month if I kept my existing Tivo box something that I didn't want to do but they could offer me it at £51.49 + £150 for a V6 box in installation something that I decided not to take, however the credited the account with £50 to close the complaint.

I phoned back today and spoke to retentions, who said they would ask the outbound retentions team to call me as I was now in cancellations. A lovely chap phoned me back and in the end did my full package for £41.50 per month (200mb/TV XL/Talk Weekends a V6 and the extra box upstairs) although I had to pay £50 for the box and £50 for the install the £50 credit covered some off and now they've changed the package It recalculated our bill crediting the account with a further £30 leaving us effectively with £20 to pay.

Only downside is they can't install till 8th Feb although he advised me to call back after Christmas to see if there were any new slots - gives us some time to watch the recorded shows!

Martin_D 08-12-2016 16:20

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
My 2 V6's have just been installed and they are on wifi and working fantastic

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telegramsam 08-12-2016 16:21

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35874570)
There were several years delay, and VM (Telewest then?) ended up selling the channels they owned and associated content to Sky in exchange for HD plus restoration of Sky channels that had been withheld by Sky in a financial dispute. It wasn't quite as simple as that but that was the outcome. A few months after that, Sky launched Atlantic and kept it exclusive.

Actually it was Virgin Media not Telewest back then.

Ultimate.Conj 08-12-2016 16:28

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin_D (Post 35874575)
My 2 V6's have just been installed and they are on wifi and working fantastic

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Sweet, nice one mate :)

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 17:11

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Hi could you upload a wee video to show them working

Ultimate.Conj 08-12-2016 17:14

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874580)
Hi could you upload a wee video to show them working

This is not the place for wee videos :D:D

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 17:15

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I meant a link to a youtube video

paultrademark 08-12-2016 17:43

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
do they only run on 2.4ghz?

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 17:46

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Well I found a slot available and that is for Wednesday 14th December instead of January 6th. If people want me to do a video I'll be more than happy to do so, and a full review including streaming and any bugs I find

BenMcr 08-12-2016 17:46

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35874591)
do they only run on 2.4ghz?

No, they are also 5Ghz compatible

RichardCoulter 08-12-2016 17:47

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874550)
I thought it was the age they were targetting with TellyTubbyTablets and their "Hey there! Stuff's getter better" communication style :D

I agree, I hate all this dumbed down street kid way of communicating from organisations that purport to be professional.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob King (Post 35874569)
**** UPDATE 8TH Dec ******

I rang Virgin media to try to order the V6 Box i mentioned that i rang last night and got a install for 5th Jan 2017 the lady last night told me sooo much BS they person i spoke with couldn't believe what the lady said to me i even got the Activation Fee FREE and even got Sky Sports and Movie £20 less a Month for 6 months so i'm a happy Bunny , it looks like you have to have your modem next to your superhub i just hope they got to alter the Traffic Management before too much data is used

Mine isn't, its two floors up! I use WiFi with no problems.

carbon60 08-12-2016 17:50

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
As we're comparing charges this is what I got:

Activation Fee £14.99
Activation Exception £14.99CR
Manned Installation Credit £40.00CR
Manned Installation Charge £40.00
V6 Box Activation Credit £50.00CR
V6 Box Activation Fee £99.95

One-off charges & credits total £49.95

paultrademark 08-12-2016 18:08

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35874593)
No, they are also 5Ghz compatible

Cheers Ben, good to know

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 18:17

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I found this in my email after order

http://virginmediapresents.com/#all/...zedraw_issue50

Rob 08-12-2016 18:29

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Hi everyone first post here. I got the new V6 box installed today and the speed is great compared to the old tivo box.

Just one problem, in the old Tivo box I used HDMI port to main tv and Scart (21 pin?) cable to Kitchen tv. In the V6 box there is no 21 pin scart and not sure what the scart output (9 pin) thing is. Since there is only 1 hdmi port , anyone have a idea to what I can do, use a scart coverter or something?

djs9750 08-12-2016 18:33

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874592)
Well I found a slot available and that is for Wednesday 14th December instead of January 6th. If people want me to do a video I'll be more than happy to do so, and a full review including streaming and any bugs I find

Did it allow you to reschedule online or did you have to phone up? I had a look and there was a slot showing as available but as soon as I chose it, it said I couldn't reschedule online.

MisterQ 08-12-2016 18:33

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874602)
I found this in my email after order

http://virginmediapresents.com/#all/...zedraw_issue50

You would have thought they would have updated the terms and conditions.

"TiVo features: Record three shows and watch a fourth"

Here come the targeted adverts we have been hearing about:

"Information about your TiVo use: By having the and/or using the TiVo service you give us your consent to use your viewing information to personalise your TiVo experience (in addition to the other purposes set out in our privacy policy). We may share this information with third parties..."

P.S. No ideas what "By having the and/or using" means.

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 18:35

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by djs9750 (Post 35874604)
Did it allow you to reschedule online or did you have to phone up? I had a look and there was a slot showing as available but as soon as I chose it, it said I couldn't reschedule online.

Hi mate yeah you need to phone up option

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djs9750 08-12-2016 18:37

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874606)
Hi mate yeah you need to phone up option

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Thanks - I'll give it a try. I got 1st February as install date.

MisterQ 08-12-2016 18:40

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35874603)
Hi everyone first post here. I got the new V6 box installed today and the speed is great compared to the old tivo box.

Just one problem, in the old Tivo box I used HDMI port to main tv and Scart (21 pin?) cable to Kitchen tv. In the V6 box there is no 21 pin scart and not sure what the scart output (9 pin) thing is. Since there is only 1 hdmi port , anyone have a idea to how I can a scart coverter or something?

I think the idea is that you pay them another £300 to get a tablet to use as a small tv without a remote control. I mentioned a page or two back (as have several others) that that totally does not appeal to me and is one of several reasons I won't be upgrading. The only other option is to "buy" a second V6 and connect it with coax and ethernet and have it sitting there doing nothing 99% of the time.

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 19:21

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Keep checking my Virgin media

---------- Post added at 18:13 ---------- Previous post was at 18:12 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874608)
I think the idea is that you pay them another £300 to get a tablet to use as a small tv without a remote control. I mentioned a page or two back (as have several others) that that totally does not appeal to me and is one of several reasons I won't be upgrading. The only other option is to "buy" a second V6 and connect it with coax and ethernet and have it sitting there doing nothing 99% of the time.

The second v6 will connect totally with wifi

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Can anybody explain what scary out 9 pin does

BenMcr 08-12-2016 19:23

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874605)
You would have thought they would have updated the terms and conditions.

"TiVo features: Record three shows and watch a fourth"

Although I get your point, they're the current standard TV terms and I would expect the terms will be updated once it goes on general sale to new customers as well.

Quote:

Here come the targeted adverts we have been hearing about:

"Information about your TiVo use: By having the and/or using the TiVo service you give us your consent to use your viewing information to personalise your TiVo experience (in addition to the other purposes set out in our privacy policy). We may share this information with third parties..."
Those terms have been in since TiVo first launched on VM. TiVo's suggestions and Thumbs wouldn't work without the consent.

Quote:

P.S. No ideas what "By having the and/or using" means.
It's a shorter version of 'By having the TiVo service and/or using the TiVo service'

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874617)
Can anybody explain what scary out 9 pin does

Nothing. It's not enabled in the UK.

To get a SCART output from the V6, you'd need an HDMI splitter an HDMI to SCART converter.

heero_yuy 08-12-2016 19:25

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874617)
Can anybody explain what scary out 9 pin does

Google it. There's plenty of 9 pin circular to standard SCART adapter cables out there.

BTW its an S-Video port.

paultrademark 08-12-2016 19:34

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35874624)
Google it. There's plenty of 9 pin circular to standard SCART adapter cables out there.

BTW its an S-Video port.

Pointless if its not enabled though

heero_yuy 08-12-2016 19:38

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35874625)
Pointless if its not enabled though

If it's not then the box is a very backward step. Many people run the SCART into a modulator and /or DVD/HDD recorder as I do to run the TV signal round the house.

MisterQ 08-12-2016 19:42

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35874621)
Those terms have been in since TiVo first launched on VM. TiVo's suggestions and Thumbs wouldn't work without the consent.

Interesting to know that it is not done locally on the box as it was originally, before VM messed around with them. Thanks. They always used to be clever and useful the way Tivo designed it but after it stopped working altogether when VM "made it better" it was never the same again and I like many others then switched them off for good. Shame! I guess there could be financial advantages in being able to control which programs get suggested!!?

Still think it won't be long before targeted adverts start appearing on the menu and pause screens though. Never mind, I'm sure some people will enjoy them. :shocked: The US still have the option to opt out I understand.

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 19:46

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35874621)
Although I get your point, they're the current standard TV terms and I would expect the terms will be updated once it goes on general sale to new customers as well.

Those terms have been in since TiVo first launched on VM. TiVo's suggestions and Thumbs wouldn't work without the consent.


It's a shorter version of 'By having the TiVo service and/or using the TiVo service'

---------- Post added at 18:23 ---------- Previous post was at 18:22 ----------

Nothing. It's not enabled in the UK.

To get a SCART output from the V6, you'd need an HDMI splitter an HDMI to SCART converter.

can you explain if I get hdmi to scart converter how does that work, as the hdmi is already taken up on v6 to the tv

MisterQ 08-12-2016 19:50

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35874625)
Pointless if its not enabled though

I'm sure someone said they are getting audio out of it but video is disabled in software and even the audio is "not supported" and could be disabled too at any time.

heero_yuy 08-12-2016 19:52

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
What a useless bit of kit then. Forcing people to add yet another box to get TV circulated around the home. -10000 points.

MisterQ 08-12-2016 19:53

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874628)
can you explain if I get hdmi to scart converter how does that work, as the hdmi is already taken up on v6 to the tv

Even if you could, it is possible that Tivo would not work properly if it cannot "talk" with the tv. Not saying it won't but unless someone has it working, I would not bet on it.

Kabaal 08-12-2016 19:58

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35874631)
What a useless bit of kit then. Forcing people to add yet another box to get TV circulated around the home. -10000 points.

Don't be melodramatic, scart is very old tech and has no place in today's world. It has to be phased out sometime.

nomadking 08-12-2016 20:01

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874628)
can you explain if I get hdmi to scart converter how does that work, as the hdmi is already taken up on v6 to the tv

Hence the need for the HDMI splitter, which splits(ie duplicates) the HDMI signal into 2( or more depending on the splitter) separate HDMI signals. Eg You could have 2 TVs showing the same picture from a single HDMI output.

The HDMI to RCA converters seem to cost less than £10.

MisterQ 08-12-2016 20:04

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874636)
Don't be melodramatic, scart is very old tech and has no place in today's world. It has to be phased out sometime.

All well and good taking away features that people love and use if VM had provided a sensible replacement, like Sky have done with Sky mini.

OLD BOY 08-12-2016 20:08

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874638)
All well and good taking away features that people love and use if VM had provided a sensible replacement, like Sky have done with Sky mini.

Oh, do give it a rest! If you don't like it, why are you still here? After all, Sky is so wonderful :rolleyes:

MisterQ 08-12-2016 20:09

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35874640)
Oh, do give it a rest! If you don't like it, why are you still here? After all, Sky is so wonderful :rolleyes:

It is a discussion forum, is it not?

heero_yuy 08-12-2016 20:11

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874638)
All well and good taking away features that people love and use if VM had provided a sensible replacement, like Sky have done with Sky mini.

Exactly, SCART maybe old technology but many like me distribute TV around the house on a modulator for older low res TVs or would like to use 576i recorders. All previous boxes have supported this. Seems to me the only positive thing is more tuners for those with square eyes. Otherwise it's many steps backward. POS personified.

OLD BOY 08-12-2016 20:14

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874641)
It is a discussion forum, is it not?

Yes, I know, Mister Q, but why so negative?

There are advantages and disadvantages of being with Sky or Virgin Media. Most on this forum are with Virgin by choice and it does seem that Virgin can do nothing right in your eyes. Hence, why I asked the question - why are you still with Virgin?

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 20:21

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
OK so does that mean copying recordings is now not allowed

MisterQ 08-12-2016 20:22

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35874643)
Yes, I know, Mister Q, but why so negative?

There are advantages and disadvantages of being with Sky or Virgin Media. Most on this forum are with Virgin by choice and it does seem that Virgin can do nothing right in your eyes. Hence, why I asked the question - why are you still with Virgin?

I am still with Virgin because they kept calling me back after I left and gave me factually incorrect information that eventually persuaded me to give them one last chance, so I still have a few months left to go on a contract. Hopefully there will be a price rise in February so I can leave earlier, as I have said previously. I have participated in discussions here to determine if V6 has anything to offer me. If I had something positive to say I would say it. I have responded to people asking questions by providing helpful answers. I do not ridicule other peoples opinions or make jokes about mental health as other people have done and later admitted to finding "funny". Sorry you keep wanting to take sensible discussions offtrack. I hope I have answered your question?

heero_yuy 08-12-2016 20:27

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
If when my old VHD box goes belly up that the only TV offering is the V6 then it's bye bye Virgin.

Kabaal 08-12-2016 20:32

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I have a fondness for VHS too.

mackemsrule 08-12-2016 20:34

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
[QUOTE=mackemsrule;35874153]I'll get back onto them tomorrow, thanksJst

Just been back on the phone and the lady said that the price given was correct for being on the lower bb speed, and it was £50 less if you are on the larger 200mb speed package. The fella who placed my order bumped my speed up and gave me a £50cr to cover this, I told her people were saying it was still wrong and she went and checked and said she couldn't change the order so she has given me another £50 credit off my bill due this month, so only paying £30+ for this month, so thanks everyone

Mad Max 08-12-2016 20:36

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874652)
I have a fondness for VHS too.



You've took that too far mister..........:D

nomadking 08-12-2016 20:39

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874646)
OK so does that mean copying recordings is now not allowed

Doesn't Macrovison copy protection prevent that anyway?

MisterQ 08-12-2016 20:42

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874652)
I have a fondness for VHS too.

Good old PDC starting and stopping recordings at the correct times!

Rob 08-12-2016 20:45

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35874637)
Hence the need for the HDMI splitter, which splits(ie duplicates) the HDMI signal into 2( or more depending on the splitter) separate HDMI signals. Eg You could have 2 TVs showing the same picture from a single HDMI output.

The HDMI to RCA converters seem to cost less than £10.


Would a HDMI splitter work?

passingbat 08-12-2016 20:48

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874636)
Don't be melodramatic, scart is very old tech and has no place in today's world. It has to be phased out sometime.


I believe it's the entertainment industry that has, for several years, been putting pressure on the equipment manufacturers to phase scart out. They want all connectors to be a copy protected type, and therefore, HDMI.

nomadking 08-12-2016 20:50

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35874658)
Would a HDMI splitter work?

To do what? It wouldn't do both tasks of duplicating and converting. One output could go to a TV and the other could go to distribution setup of whatever sort.

Rob 08-12-2016 20:52

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
To go to 2 TVs , would both be able to view same thing.

nomadking 08-12-2016 20:53

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35874661)
To go to 2 TVs , would both be able to view same thing.

Yes.

Wild Oscar 08-12-2016 21:10

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874605)
"TiVo features: Record three shows and watch a fourth"

I'm still amazed that people can find that many programs worth watching!!

meanwhile I'm spinning Jack The Lad on the turntable ... lovely ..

denphone 08-12-2016 22:11

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Oscar (Post 35874666)
I'm still amazed that people can find that many programs worth watching!!

meanwhile I'm spinning Jack The Lad on the turntable ... lovely ..

A household can have a lot of varied tastes and at certain times extra tuners are definitely needed as there are clashes sadly.

BenMcr 08-12-2016 22:34

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874627)
Interesting to know that it is not done locally on the box as it was originally, before VM messed around with them. Thanks. They always used to be clever and useful the way Tivo designed it but after it stopped working altogether when VM "made it better" it was never the same again and I like many others then switched them off for good. Shame! I guess there could be financial advantages in being able to control which programs get suggested!!?

Still think it won't be long before targeted adverts start appearing on the menu and pause screens though. Never mind, I'm sure some people will enjoy them. :shocked: The US still have the option to opt out I understand.

Not sure what you mean, Virgin Media haven't changed the way the TiVo system collects data. TiVo US do exactly the same thing. Aggregated data on Thumbs and viewing is what drives the Suggestions engine and other personlisation options for TiVo

http://tivo.pactsafe.io/legal.html#privacy-policy

Quote:

Information we automatically collect may include, for example, data about your viewing behavior (such as how you use, watch, record, rate and interact with content accessed on or through TiVo products), device (such as model number, software versions, and unique device identifiers), location (such as GPS data, zip code, and time zone), and cable service (such as cable provider and cable channels).


---------- Post added at 21:34 ---------- Previous post was at 21:29 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35874631)
What a useless bit of kit then. Forcing people to add yet another box to get TV circulated around the home. -10000 points.

I seem to recall similar comments when the RF out connection was removed on both Virgin and Sky STBs. Yet I doubt anyone would expect a box released in 2016 to have RF on it.

Ddonald2016 08-12-2016 22:44

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
So how can we archieve material on v6

nomadking 08-12-2016 23:05

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874689)
So how can we archieve material on v6

We're not allowed to say.

A Freeview recorder should be able to archive material in SD quality.

Mad Max 08-12-2016 23:38

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I think people need to get out more!

OhReally 09-12-2016 00:34

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874546)
But a V8 sounds better :p:

Especially when you slap a supercharger on and force feed it 1.5 gallons of Nitro per second :D

---------- Post added at 23:22 ---------- Previous post was at 23:15 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterQ (Post 35874605)
You would have thought they would have updated the terms and conditions.

"TiVo features: Record three shows and watch a fourth"

Here come the targeted adverts we have been hearing about:

"Information about your TiVo use: By having the and/or using the TiVo service you give us your consent to use your viewing information to personalise your TiVo experience (in addition to the other purposes set out in our privacy policy). We may share this information with third parties..."

P.S. No ideas what "By having the and/or using" means.

If you go and have a look through some of the info pages you will see a line which says

Opted in = True

This means everything you do on the box is reported back to them.

On the real Tivo (old original silver box) you could set this to FALSE.

---------- Post added at 23:23 ---------- Previous post was at 23:22 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35874603)
Hi everyone first post here. I got the new V6 box installed today and the speed is great compared to the old tivo box.

Just one problem, in the old Tivo box I used HDMI port to main tv and Scart (21 pin?) cable to Kitchen tv. In the V6 box there is no 21 pin scart and not sure what the scart output (9 pin) thing is. Since there is only 1 hdmi port , anyone have a idea to what I can do, use a scart coverter or something?

You might want to send it back as you are out of luck my son, the scart is disabled.

Progress is always forwards you know :dozey:

---------- Post added at 23:26 ---------- Previous post was at 23:23 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35874621)
[snip]

Those terms have been in since TiVo first launched on VM. TiVo's suggestions and Thumbs wouldn't work without the consent.

Unless they've completely rewritten the underlying code base from the original that simply isn't true, on the old real Tivo suggestions worked perfectly with Opted in switched off.

---------- Post added at 23:29 ---------- Previous post was at 23:26 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35874636)
Don't be melodramatic, scart is very old tech and has no place in today's world. It has to be phased out sometime.

You speak for yourself.

I have a VHS player with a built in DVD burner, that's SCART.

How do you plan to archive shows off your latest shiny-shiny..oh yes, you CAN'T

---------- Post added at 23:32 ---------- Previous post was at 23:29 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874646)
OK so does that mean copying recordings is now not allowed

The law specifically allows it (for personal use only blah blah) but VM (and Sky also?) have seen fit to block your legal rights.

---------- Post added at 23:34 ---------- Previous post was at 23:32 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35874655)
Doesn't Macrovison copy protection prevent that anyway?

Can't stop you putting it onto VHS, take it out of the machine and hand it so someone else :D

Or even transfer to a DVD recorder...see, some of us have abandoned old fashioned tape...

BenMcr 09-12-2016 01:19

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OhReally (Post 35874698)
Unless they've completely rewritten the underlying code base from the original that simply isn't true, on the old real Tivo suggestions worked perfectly with Opted in switched off.

Which they did:

https://support.tivo.com/articles/Fe...ls-and-Privacy

Quote:

If you have a TiVo Series2 or Series3 DVR and opt out, we will not collect your viewing logs.

If you have a TiVo Series4 or newer TiVo product (e.g. TiVo Mini, TiVo Roamio or TiVo BOLT) and choose "Do not share" as your privacy status, we will still collect your viewing logs, but will use them only to provide you with features of the TiVo service as described in this policy (for example, to suggest a particular TV show that you may enjoy).
The VM term covers the collection of the logs for the TiVo features, and sharing of that data in aggregated form. As the term does then say:

Quote:

This will not personally identify you. This aggregated data may be used by those third parties for marketing purposes.
It's just that there isn't a specific opt out of the aggregated data when you have V6 or TiVo with Virgin Media - but again that's been true from the start.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhReally (Post 35874698)
The law specifically allows it (for personal use only blah blah) but VM (and Sky also?) have seen fit to block your legal rights.

The law specifically allows a copy for time-shifting purposes NOT for archiving.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright

Quote:

Time-shifting
A recording of a broadcast can be made in domestic premises for private and domestic use to enable it to be viewed or listened to at a more convenient time.

The making of a recording of a broadcast for purposes other than to time-shift a programme for you or your family is likely to be illegal.
By having a Virgin Media PVR (or any other PVR) you're already time-shifting. There is no legal right to make a further copy.

Ddonald2016 09-12-2016 02:48

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35874691)
We're not allowed to say.

A Freeview recorder should be able to archive material in SD quality.

Yeah but with v6 there is no scart

OhReally 09-12-2016 03:09

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35874714)
The law specifically allows a copy for time-shifting purposes NOT for archiving.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright

Archiving is just extended time-shifting :D

I agree you can't give a copy to someone else.

nomadking 09-12-2016 08:49

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874717)
Yeah but with v6 there is no scart

Freeview recorders don't always record from external sources anyway. They do allow you to record/archive the Freeview channels.

Ddonald2016 09-12-2016 09:08

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35874727)
Freeview recorders don't always record from external sources anyway. They do allow you to record/archive the Freeview channels.

Hi no Mine does record from TiVo or did

Hugh 09-12-2016 09:12

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874717)
Yeah but with v6 there is no scart

Just like the Sky Q...

Ddonald2016 09-12-2016 09:34

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35874732)
Just like the Sky Q...

No on sky q mini you can still do it

heero_yuy 09-12-2016 09:43

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35874684)
I seem to recall similar comments when the RF out connection was removed on both Virgin and Sky STBs. Yet I doubt anyone would expect a box released in 2016 to have RF on it.

So I had to buy a separate box to do the job.:rolleyes:

Ddonald2016 09-12-2016 10:05

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35874737)
So I had to buy a separate box to do the job.:rolleyes:

Can you explain

Ultimate.Conj 09-12-2016 10:18

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
This forum went mental overnight, what has happened??

Reading all the comments about SCARTS, VHS, archiving, it's like being taken back to the dark ages lol

I've had my say on SCART and old tech...I'm looking forward to 4K UHD programming and you guys still using SCART to get TV around the house lol...couldn't make it up in 2016.

Ditch the old kit, and get with the times :-)
There is no possible argument that will convince me that people still need SCART cables and to archive programmes they will never watch again...jeez, waste of time :-)

heero_yuy 09-12-2016 10:25

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874739)
Can you explain

One of these Mixes it's output with the Freeview signal for co-ax distribution around the house.

Retransmits my DVD/HDD recorder output too. Mind you that's good Sony kit and outputs 576i SCART for the modulator and 576p component to the TV simultaneously and also feeds through the SCART from the VHD box on standby.

Ultimate.Conj 09-12-2016 10:35

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35874743)
One of these Mixes it's output with the Freeview signal for co-ax distribution around the house.

Retransmits my DVD/HDD recorder output too. Mind you that's good Sony kit and outputs 576i SCART for the modulator and 576p component to the TV simultaneously and also feeds through the SCART from the VHD box on standby.

This post makes me sad! lol

You pay VM for XL TV package which has all of the HD channels and you also have a VHD which also is capable of HD, yet you using kit that produces 576p and 576i...Please tell me you have a HD tv :D

BenMcr 09-12-2016 10:40

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874736)
No on sky q mini you can still do it

Really?
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/12/7.jpg

heero_yuy 09-12-2016 10:43

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35874744)
This post makes me sad! lol

You pay VM for XL TV package which has all of the HD channels and you also have a VHD which also is capable of HD, yet you using kit that produces 576p and 576i...Please tell me you have a HD tv :D

Naturally I have an HD TV (Sony Bravia 42" smart) in the front room on HDMI from the VHD box but I see no need to invest in a blu-ray player when I can download perfectly good 1080p films so I only need to play some DVDs. I also have a number of small TVs round the house.

Hugh 09-12-2016 10:43

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874736)
No on sky q mini you can still do it

It doesn't appear so, according to Sky...

https://www.sky.com/help/articles/se...-a-non-hdmi-tv

1andrew1 09-12-2016 10:45

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35874695)
I think people need to get out more!

Lol. so true! :D

nomadking 09-12-2016 11:11

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I have a setup that enables me, if I so wish, to record a full HD HDMI copy protected signal(HDCP) to my PC. No big deal. Off the shelf Game capture device and another device that also happens to remove the HDCP. Even works on streaming devices, such as the Roku, Amazon firestick etc. The info is out there.

BenMcr 09-12-2016 11:21

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
4K has a newer HDCP standard the HD did

https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/hdcp-2-...-need-to-know/

philipp 09-12-2016 11:32

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Can someone explain the pricing (excluding activation / box charges) fully.

Currently we pay £137.73 which has a £18.25 loyality discount so in fact its 155.58

which is basically Big Kahuna Sports and Movies Bundle HD, 3 500g tivo boxes and 200mb broadband and talk unlimited and multi talk 1000.

If I understand correctly we can have the new stuff on VIP package.

So I could in theory have:

2 V6 Boxes
1 tivo box I have

for £120 + extra box charge without loyality discounts? Or have I messed up the pricing?

Also with the V6 boxes can you connect them with your own router so the hub 3 is in modem mode (either wired or wireless) ?

jonandmarkuk 09-12-2016 11:38

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin_D (Post 35874575)
My 2 V6's have just been installed and they are on wifi and working fantastic

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/12/10.png

Did the engineer complain about not being able to plug it into the Hub?
My v6 will be fine, but my mum and dad's (being fitted the day after) the hub is in a totally different room.
Wireless should be fine and they are possibly going to get Powerline plugs, but wondered if we don't have the Powerlines in place would the engineer refuse to install?

BenMcr 09-12-2016 11:42

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
As long as the V6 can talk the home network (and the internet) then the install should be completed as far as I'm aware.

If the chosen network connection method doesn't work, and the customer refuses the alternate option to get it working, then the install wouldn't complete as the V6 won't work without a valid network connection.

Martin_D 09-12-2016 12:15

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonandmarkuk (Post 35874757)
Did the engineer complain about not being able to plug it into the Hub?
My v6 will be fine, but my mum and dad's (being fitted the day after) the hub is in a totally different room.
Wireless should be fine and they are possibly going to get Powerline plugs, but wondered if we don't have the Powerlines in place would the engineer refuse to install?

The engineer was more than happy to use the wifi. & BBC Iplayer and on demand are so fast not one problem. I do plan to move them on to the 5GHz band will do this when installing ASUS RT-AC5300 sometime next week

passingbat 09-12-2016 12:42

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35874742)
This forum went mental overnight, what has happened??

Reading all the comments about SCARTS, VHS, archiving, it's like being taken back to the dark ages lol

I've had my say on SCART and old tech...I'm looking forward to 4K UHD programming and you guys still using SCART to get TV around the house lol...couldn't make it up in 2016.

Ditch the old kit, and get with the times :-)
There is no possible argument that will convince me that people still need SCART cables and to archive programmes they will never watch again...jeez, waste of time :-)


I know U C; what can you do with us oldies; stuck in the past with our Scarts, S-video and composite video via phono leads. Next thing you know, we'll be digging out valve amps and hooking up turntables and playing vinyl LPs with there associated 'clicks and pops'. Can't imagine anyone doing that today ;):D

david_w2k 09-12-2016 13:05

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Wow I am back in the 90s, I remember the good old days with Scart :-)

Quick question for everyone here. Just got my new contract through to sign. One item on it is Leapfrog Additional Tbr* ... Any idea what that is?!

RichardCoulter 09-12-2016 13:10

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35874742)
There is no possible argument that will convince me that people still need SCART cables and to archive programmes they will never watch again...jeez, waste of time :-)

Can't see much point in archiving programmes these days as they are nearly always repeated again....and again....and again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by david_w2k (Post 35874768)
Wow I am back in the 90s, I remember the good old days with Scart :-)

Quick question for everyone here. Just got my new contract through to sign. One item on it is Leapfrog Additional Tbr* ... Any idea what that is?!

Didn't think they bothered to send out hard copies of contracts to sign these days.

david_w2k 09-12-2016 13:11

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35874770)
Can't see much point in archiving programmes these days as they are nearly always repeated again....and again....and again.



Didn't think they bothered to send out hard copies of contracts to sign these days.

It is a DocuSign one - very high tech, just signed it using my finger :-) All looks in order, but not sure what the leapfrog thing is.

RichardCoulter 09-12-2016 13:20

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david_w2k (Post 35874771)
It is a DocuSign one - very high tech, just signed it using my finger :-) All looks in order, but not sure what the leapfrog thing is.

Oh right! Never heard of VM using that before.

Ddonald2016 09-12-2016 13:26

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35874770)
Can't see much point in archiving programmes these days as they are nearly always repeated again....and again....and again.



Didn't think they bothered to send out hard copies of contracts to sign these days.

It's just nice to have a choice

passingbat 09-12-2016 13:44

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Sorry if it's already been posted, but for you guys with the latest AV amps, it supports Dolby Atmos. Does Netflix support that? As someone with a 5.1 setup, I don't pay much attention to Dolby Atmos and DTS:X news.

Ultimate.Conj 09-12-2016 15:03

Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35874762)
I know U C; what can you do with us oldies; stuck in the past with our Scarts, S-video and composite video via phono leads. Next thing you know, we'll be digging out valve amps and hooking up turntables and playing vinyl LPs with there associated 'clicks and pops'. Can't imagine anyone doing that today ;):D

Oh you old git lol ;):D

Let me help you come into the 21st century with our 4K tvs and dolby digital HD, ULTRA HD surround sound (whatever they call it), that will blow your hearing aid off hehehe :D

---------- Post added at 14:03 ---------- Previous post was at 13:58 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35874776)
It's just nice to have a choice

Why do you want to archive things? What do you archive?
Without sounding patronising, after reading some posts today, I would like to know.


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