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denphone 22-06-2013 13:10
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Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35587131)
39 days to go and still no news about BT Sport launching on Virgin Media... surely talks between them don't take this long?
Talks can take longer then you think and remember no news is usually good news.:D

Chad 22-06-2013 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35587131)
39 days to go and still no news about BT Sport launching on Virgin Media... surely talks between them don't take this long?
I think a deal has been done on the understanding that Virgin can't make any announcement until maybe a few days prior to launch. This would allow BT to plug the channel as being exclusive to BT right up until the last 72 hours. There is no way the below was a simple mistake by Virgin. I think Virgin "accidentally" put the information out there to reassure existing customers the channel is on the way. Even if the page was only live on Virgins website for an hour, that would be long enough for the information to go viral, and Virgin know this!

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Dash: CF noob 22-06-2013 13:18
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I'm inclined to think the same way Chad.

denphone 22-06-2013 13:20
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35587142)
I think a deal has been done on the understanding that Virgin can't make any announcement until maybe a few days prior to launch. This would allow BT to plug the channel as being exclusive to BT right up until the last 72 hours. There is no way the below was a simple mistake by Virgin. I think Virgin "accidentally" put the information out there to reassure existing customers the channel is on the way. Even if the page was only live on Virgins website for an hour, that would be long enough for the information to go viral, and Virgin know this!

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That crystal ball never lets you down dear chap.:D

Mad Max 22-06-2013 13:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35587142)
I think a deal has been done on the understanding that Virgin can't make any announcement until maybe a few days prior to launch. This would allow BT to plug the channel as being exclusive to BT right up until the last 72 hours. There is no way the below was a simple mistake by Virgin. I think Virgin "accidentally" put the information out there to reassure existing customers the channel is on the way. Even if the page was only live on Virgins website for an hour, that would be long enough for the information to go viral, and Virgin know this!

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Spot on mate!

Chad 22-06-2013 13:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587147)
That crystal ball never lets you down dear chap.:D
The only time it is wrong is when I try to gaze into it after a few beers! I'm beer free at the moment, so the omens are good ;)

nstokes 22-06-2013 13:41
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I agree with Chad, deal has been done but not able to say that yet so BT can keep advertising the way they do. Wonder if VM will get the HD channels as well or just the SD ones

johnasimmons 22-06-2013 13:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35587152)
The only time it is wrong is when I try to gaze into it after a few beers! I'm beer free at the moment, so the omens are good ;)
:beer:

Chad 22-06-2013 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35587158)
I agree with Chad, deal has been done but not able to say that yet so BT can keep advertising the way they do. Wonder if VM will get the HD channels as well or just the SD ones
We've seen Virgin come on leaps and bounds in the past 12 months adding many of the missing HD channels, with a couple rumored to arrive next week. The only provider that seems to withhold HD channels from Virgin is SKY. Other HD channels missing are either part owned by SKY, or have an exclusive deal with SKY. I see no reason why BT would withhold the HD versions of the channels from Virgin. I can see Virgin customers having to pay an extra sub to get the HD channels though, just like BT and SKY customers will have to do.

denphone 22-06-2013 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35587160)
:beer:
Oh dear you have started early today.;)

colin25 22-06-2013 14:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35587163)
We've seen Virgin come on leaps and bounds in the past 12 months adding many of the missing HD channels, with a couple rumored to arrive next week. The only provider that seems to withhold HD channels from Virgin is SKY. Other HD channels missing are either part owned by SKY, or have an exclusive deal with SKY. I see no reason why BT would withhold the HD versions of the channels from Virgin. I can see Virgin customers having to pay an extra sub to get the HD channels though, just like BT and SKY customers will have to do.
I don't see any issue with with holding channels, why should sky provide the channels unless it is in their interest.

Everyone has a choice to get sky.

that is like saying it is wrong for Virgin to hold back broadband to sky customers..they don't..you want virgin broadband..you buy from virgin

Mr Banana 22-06-2013 14:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35587151)
Spot on mate!
I'm not convinced - still think they are hammering out a deal. Reckon VM want to take the 6 quid per sub saving from Espn and pass that on making BT Sports from VM circa 9 quid. BT probably don't like that, so reckon VM are looking at ways to prop up XL, possibly with free Netflix or something similar and therefore charging full price for BT Sports.

Just my views I must add

denphone 22-06-2013 14:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35587173)
I'm not convinced - still think they are hammering out a deal. Reckon VM want to take the 6 quid per sub saving from Espn and pass that on making BT Sports from VM circa 9 quid. BT probably don't like that, so reckon VM are looking at ways to prop up XL, possibly with free Netflix or something similar and therefore charging full price for BT Sports.

Just my views I must add
And all views are welcomed as its the different opinions that make this forum so interesting.

Dave42 22-06-2013 15:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587171)
I don't see any issue with with holding channels, why should sky provide the channels unless it is in their interest.

Everyone has a choice to get sky.

that is like saying it is wrong for Virgin to hold back broadband to sky customers..they don't..you want virgin broadband..you buy from virgin
not everyone can get sky Colin you naughty man

colin25 22-06-2013 15:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35587187)
not everyone can get sky Colin you naughty man
Point taken. But not everyone can get Virgin either :)

passingbat 22-06-2013 15:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587191)
Point taken. But not everyone can get Virgin either :)

True, but I don't think there are any channels that you can watch on VM that you can't watch on Sky (I believe film4 HD may be one, but that is being added to Sky soon)


The same isn't true the other way round. And that is the problem.

OLD BOY 22-06-2013 16:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587171)
I don't see any issue with with holding channels, why should sky provide the channels unless it is in their interest.

Everyone has a choice to get sky.

that is like saying it is wrong for Virgin to hold back broadband to sky customers..they don't..you want virgin broadband..you buy from virgin

denphone 22-06-2013 16:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587191)
Point taken. But not everyone can get Virgin either :)
Such eloquence from one trained in the dark arts.:D

colin25 22-06-2013 16:02
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35587195)
True, but I don't think there are any channels that you can watch on VM that you can't watch on Sky (I believe film4 HD may be one, but that is being added to Sky soon)


The same isn't true the other way round. And that is the problem.
Why?

Film 4 isn't Virgin's to offer. So that isn't a true comparison.

That is like people who get free view, complaining they aren't getting all the channels

devilincarnate 22-06-2013 16:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587191)
Point taken. But not everyone can get Virgin either :)
It depends on old you are:erm:

OLD BOY 22-06-2013 16:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587171)
I don't see any issue with with holding channels, why should sky provide the channels unless it is in their interest.

Everyone has a choice to get sky.

that is like saying it is wrong for Virgin to hold back broadband to sky customers..they don't..you want virgin broadband..you buy from virgin
Not everyone wants Sky, Colin. We're not asking for these channels free, we're prepared to pay for them!

TV channels should be available for all platforms at an appropriate price. If those channel providers are not prepared to share, then they shouldn't be allowed to buy programmes and films exclusively. That should be the law.

colin25 22-06-2013 16:03
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35587201)
It depends on old you are:erm:
They are a rare breed these days

johnasimmons 22-06-2013 16:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587166)
Oh dear you have started early today.;)
I started last night! ;) :beer:

colin25 22-06-2013 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35587203)
Not everyone wants Sky, Colin. We're not asking for these channels free, we're prepared to pay for them!

TV channels should be available for all platforms at an appropriate price. If those channel providers are not prepared to share, then they shouldn't be allowed to buy programmes and films exclusively. That should be the law.
I disagree. Sky is a tv content provider.

Annoying no doubt, but don't see why they should provide to other platforms, unless they are compensated.

Dave42 22-06-2013 16:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587206)
I disagree. Sky is a tv content provider.

Annoying no doubt, but don't see why they should provide to other platforms, unless they are compensated.
no one is asking them to provide them free colin as you well know we just want chance to access to them

colin25 22-06-2013 16:25
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35587208)
no one is asking them to provide them free colin as you well know we just what access to them
lol..I didn't say free. i am saying that sky should be allowed exclusivity.

OLD BOY 22-06-2013 17:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587206)
I disagree. Sky is a tv content provider.

Annoying no doubt, but don't see why they should provide to other platforms, unless they are compensated.
What are you talking about? They get compensated when we pay them, don't they? Do they want bribes as well? :shocked::shocked::shocked:

colin25 22-06-2013 17:13
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35587227)
What are you talking about? They get compensated when we pay them, don't they? Do they want bribes as well? :shocked::shocked::shocked:
lol..I mean the amount they want...not the amount virgin want to pay

OLD BOY 22-06-2013 17:14
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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587212)
lol..I didn't say free. i am saying that sky should be allowed exclusivity.
Why? How does this benefit the consumer? In your world, I suppose if we wanted access to all channels, we would be paying Sky, VM and BT! Doesn't make sense, does it?

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587229)
lol..I mean the amount they want...not the amount virgin want to pay
Well yes, as long as it's not extortionate. There is a generally accepted mark up rate.

colin25 22-06-2013 17:17
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35587230)
Why? How does this benefit the consumer? In your world, I suppose if we wanted access to all channels, we would be paying Sky, VM and BT! Doesn't make sense, does it?
wait...you think the world is run to benefit the consumer?

What industry does that?

And yes, it is quite possible you might have to pay all providers.

As you do when you want to watch exclusives (eg netflix etc)

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I have to pay to get ESPN...you get it for free

Do you hear me complaining?

No..if I want it free, I switch to virgin..I pay for it

That is the rules. Like them..or lump them

OLD BOY 22-06-2013 17:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587232)
wait...you think the world is run to benefit the consumer?

What industry does that?

And yes, it is quite possible you might have to pay all providers.

As you do when you want to watch exclusives (eg netflix etc)[COLOR="Silver"]
Companies have to meet the expectations of the shareholders, but OFCOM and the Competition Commission are there to protect our interests. They are not doing a very good job of it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587232)
I have to pay to get ESPN...you get it for free

Do you hear me complaining?

No..if I want it free, I switch to virgin..I pay for it

That is the rules. Like them..or lump them
Yes, but you can at least get ESPN, whether you are on the Sky or VM platforms. We can't get Sky Atlantic even when we are prepared to pay for it unless we go to Sky. That's just barmy.

If you are happy with this situation, fine, but many of us on this forum are fed up with it. I hope this appears in the manifesto of one of the political parties at the next election!

colin25 22-06-2013 17:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35587236)
Companies have to meet the expectations of the shareholders, but OFCOM and the Competition Commission are there to protect our interests. They are not doing a very good job of it.

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Yes, but you can at least get ESPN, whether you are on the Sky or VM platforms. We can't get Sky Atlantic even when we are prepared to pay for it unless we go to Sky. That's just barmy.

If you are happy with this situation, fine, but many of us on this forum are fed up with it. I hope this appears in the manifesto of one of the political parties at the next election!
lol..I have no doubt lots would be happy with the manifesto of.."though shall not allow sky to broadcast"

Can't see it happening.

And I still don't get your complaint...why aren't you complaining when netflix shows exclusives?

They do that so you can buy their product too.

I see sky atlantic the same way

Mad Max 22-06-2013 17:34
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but OFCOM and the Competition Commission are there to protect our interests. They are not doing a very good job of it.
They are a bunch of fannies actually...........:2up:

denphone 22-06-2013 17:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35587203)
Not everyone wants Sky, Colin. We're not asking for these channels free, we're prepared to pay for them!

TV channels should be available for all platforms at an appropriate price. If those channel providers are not prepared to share, then they shouldn't be allowed to buy programmes and films exclusively. That should be the law.
Summed up perfectly.

johnasimmons 22-06-2013 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35587203)
Not everyone wants Sky, Colin. We're not asking for these channels free, we're prepared to pay for them!

TV channels should be available for all platforms at an appropriate price. If those channel providers are not prepared to share, then they shouldn't be allowed to buy programmes and films exclusively. That should be the law.
:clap: :clap: :beer:

andy_m 22-06-2013 19:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35587203)
Not everyone wants Sky, Colin. We're not asking for these channels free, we're prepared to pay for them!

TV channels should be available for all platforms at an appropriate price. If those channel providers are not prepared to share, then they shouldn't be allowed to buy programmes and films exclusively. That should be the law.
I hate to take issue with what is apparently a popular post, but we're not all prepared to pay for the missing Sky channels! If I was then I'd be doing so, direct to Sky, but I don't want Atlantic, etc, and certainly not at extra cost.

Wicked_and_Crazy 22-06-2013 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35587242)
They are a bunch of fannies actually...........:2up:
True, if they had anything about then sky would be either a distribution channel or a media provider. To be both is a monopoly and is wrong

muppetman11 22-06-2013 20:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy (Post 35587282)
True, if they had anything about then sky would be either a distribution channel or a media provider. To be both is a monopoly and is wrong
Its amazing how all these things should only apply to Sky , BT is both a content provider and platform as is Liberty Global , there are many more examples around the world Comcast , DirecTV , CanalSat , Rogers communications the list goes on so why should only Sky be hit with this stipulation. Only a couple of years ago VM was both a platform and content provider funny nobody had a problem with that.

passingbat 22-06-2013 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587287)
Only a couple of years ago VM was both a platform and content provider funny nobody had a problem with that.
But did VM withhold any of their SD channels from Sky though? ;)

Maybe that's why.

Dave42 22-06-2013 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587287)
Its amazing how all these things should only apply to Sky , BT is both a content provider and platform as is Liberty Global , there are many more examples around the world Comcast , DirecTV , CanalSat , Rogers communications the list goes on so why should only Sky be hit with this stipulation. Only a couple of years ago VM was both a platform and content provider funny nobody had a problem with that.
the problem is with the with holding of channels MM when VM had the channels they were all available on sky didn't withhold anything that the complain I got with holding channels no matter who with holds them

colin25 22-06-2013 21:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35587297)
But did VM withhold any of their SD channels from Sky though? ;)

Maybe that's why.
Virgin were desperate for the money...to extent they sold the channels they had to ?..not sure..but some tv company :D

muppetman11 22-06-2013 21:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35587297)
But did VM withhold any of their SD channels from Sky though? ;)

Maybe that's why.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35587298)
the problem is with the with holding of channels MM when VM had the channels they were all available on sky didn't withhold anything that the complain I got with holding channels no matter who with holds them
BT Sport is only available on BT and Sky (ordered through BT) currently.

Liberty Global have channels that are not available on VM and BT.

VM only has one Sky channels content that's not available , its arguably the best place for Sky content after the Sky platform itself.

Dave42 22-06-2013 22:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587315)
BT Sport is only available on BT and Sky (ordered through BT) currently.

Liberty Global have channels that are not available on VM and BT.

VM only has one Sky channels content that's not available , its arguably the best place for Sky content after the Sky platform itself.
yes SA is only sky channels content not available on VM but you know it not only channel they with holding MM and VM is by far sky's biggest customer

Chad 22-06-2013 22:16
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Groundhog Day :D

Mr Banana 22-06-2013 22:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587312)
Virgin were desperate for the money...to extent they sold the channels they had to ?..not sure..but some tv company :D
That's not true, they did not have to sell them for the money. They sold them because they inherited them from the telewest, ntl merger and realised it was something they considered not to be a core part of their business.

Dave42 22-06-2013 23:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35587348)
That's not true, they did not have to sell them for the money. They sold them because they inherited them from the telewest, ntl merger and realised it was something they considered not to be a core part of their business.
and to get the sky HD channels they never would have got them without selling the channels or red button

Mr Banana 22-06-2013 23:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35587354)
and to get the sky HD channels they never would have got them without selling the channels or red button
Correct, that was part of the deal. Suppose the question is, was it the right decision?

denphone 23-06-2013 05:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587287)
Its amazing how all these things should only apply to Sky , BT is both a content provider and platform as is Liberty Global , there are many more examples around the world Comcast , DirecTV , CanalSat , Rogers communications the list goes on so why should only Sky be hit with this stipulation. Only a couple of years ago VM was both a platform and content provider funny nobody had a problem with that.
"Oyez, Oyez, Oyez!" l proclaim the great one and only Muppetman defends his beloved Sky again.;):D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587312)
Virgin were desperate for the money...to extent they sold the channels they had to ?..not sure..but some tv company :D
l will serve you my one and only master.:nworthy::D

Sirius 23-06-2013 07:28
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So what would you all do if god forbid VM failed to get a deal with BT and they ended up not carrying the BT sports channel (i have no idea if they have or have not got a deal), would you leave VM and move to sky or BT ???

GrimUpNorth 23-06-2013 07:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35587385)
So what would you all do if god forbid VM failed to get a deal with BT and they ended up not carrying the BT sports channel (i have no idea if they have or have not got a deal), would you leave VM and move to sky or BT ???
I'd keep calm and carry on. Gave up with football some years ago and now rarely even look at the results. It's an easy change to make in life, weekends are more enjoyable and much less stressful. We've a few friends who MUST watch football (doesn't matter who's playing) or sport of any desription if there's no football on, and apart from one guy who's wife is also sport mad, they all have pretty fed up wives!! There's much more to life than football!!

Cheers

Grim

WillPS 23-06-2013 07:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35587348)
That's not true, they did not have to sell them for the money. They sold them because they inherited them from the telewest, ntl merger and realised it was something they considered not to be a core part of their business.
That's a massive misrepresentation. The Flextech business was a core part of the Virgin Media launch strategy - do you not remember the fanfare surrounding Virgin 1?

It was in the years down the line that Virgin Media Television (as the business had been renamed) was lined up for sale; it would appear as a method of getting Sky to 'give up the goods'. It was a massive gamble, as it meant essentially sacrificing their bargaining chip for future carriage agreements.

It was prudent therefore that VM secured carriage of the channels for an extended period. However, whoever negotiated this deal obviously neglected to consider channels which Sky may launch in the future. As it stands, there would be nothing to stop Sky launching "Sky 1a", siphoning off all the content from Sky 1 to it, and thereby depriving VM viewers of that content. The Sky Atlantic situation could and should have been prevented.

Sirius 23-06-2013 07:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35587390)
I'd keep calm and carry on. Gave up with football some years ago and now rarely even look at the results. It's an easy change to make in life, weekends are more enjoyable and much less stressful. We've a few friends who MUST watch football (doesn't matter who's playing) or sport of any desription if there's no football on, and apart from one guy who's wife is also sport mad, they all have pretty fed up wives!! There's much more to life than football!!

Cheers

Grim
Indeed i am a rugby fan and don't watch football, however for those that are football fans i can see this as being a big issue for them at this time.

colin25 23-06-2013 08:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35587390)
I'd keep calm and carry on. Gave up with football some years ago and now rarely even look at the results. It's an easy change to make in life, weekends are more enjoyable and much less stressful. We've a few friends who MUST watch football (doesn't matter who's playing) or sport of any desription if there's no football on, and apart from one guy who's wife is also sport mad, they all have pretty fed up wives!! There's much more to life than football!!

Cheers

Grim
Well, that explains the name "Grim" :D

(unless you take after the tv series lol)

Mr Banana 23-06-2013 08:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillPS (Post 35587392)
That's a massive misrepresentation. The Flextech business was a core part of the Virgin Media launch strategy - do you not remember the fanfare surrounding Virgin 1?

It was in the years down the line that Virgin Media Television (as the business had been renamed) was lined up for sale; it would appear as a method of getting Sky to 'give up the goods'. It was a massive gamble, as it meant essentially sacrificing their bargaining chip for future carriage agreements.

It was prudent therefore that VM secured carriage of the channels for an extended period. However, whoever negotiated this deal obviously neglected to consider channels which Sky may launch in the future. As it stands, there would be nothing to stop Sky launching "Sky 1a", siphoning off all the content from Sky 1 to it, and thereby depriving VM viewers of that content. The Sky Atlantic situation could and should have been prevented.
Yes that's what the earlier poster said and I agree, however I was disagreeing with the post that they sold them as they needed the money, that wasn't the core reason.

denphone 23-06-2013 08:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35587385)
So what would you all do if god forbid VM failed to get a deal with BT and they ended up not carrying the BT sports channel (i have no idea if they have or have not got a deal), would you leave VM and move to sky or BT ???
If Virgin don't get a deal with BT then l will just watch the football on Sky Sports with Virgin but somehow l cannot see the scenario of BT Sports not arriving on Virgin in my humble honest opinion.

muppetman11 23-06-2013 08:46
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...#ixzz2Wz3pexKg

GrimUpNorth 23-06-2013 08:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587398)
Well, that explains the name "Grim" :D

(unless you take after the tv series lol)
Maybe I should change it to LifeUpNorth ;)

Cheers

Grim

denphone 23-06-2013 08:59
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587405)
Yes l knew they were planning something to combat BT Sports as l heard about project purple a little while back.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35587406)
Maybe I should change it to LifeUpNorth ;)

Cheers

Grim
Don't listen to that old misery guts :waving: ;) as we prefer your name as it is.

johnasimmons 23-06-2013 09:02
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587403)
If Virgin don't get a deal with BT then l will just watch the football on Sky Sports with Virgin but somehow l cannot see the scenario of BT Sports not arriving on Virgin in my humble honest opinion.
I got a feeling that a deal with BT Sport is going to be announced in late July

colin25 23-06-2013 09:06
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587405)
Sigh, just what everyone wants, some idiots giving their views

I tend to watch football for the game itself, not others opinions

Next they will start playing "now" music during the game..maybe some cartoon graphics real time during game...that should keep the kids entertained :)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35587414)
I got a feeling that a deal with BT Sport is going to be announced in late July
If it is to be announced, late July early august is favourite

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35587406)
Maybe I should change it to LifeUpNorth ;)

Cheers

Grim
Or "life in a northern town "..I'm sure you could make a song about it :D

MaverickJesus 23-06-2013 09:31
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
If I were BT I wouldn't sell BT Sports to VM (or anyone else) at all, for exactly the same reasons Sky won't wholesale Atlantic - when you make your profit from triple play bundles not the channel itself, wholesaling access to your biggest USP to a direct rival is counter productive. The only reason its available on Sky is because BT can buy the EPG access direct and cut out Sky entirely, and just use the fact that most people have Sky already as a convenient way to deliver it to people without decent broadband.

The only way I could see it appearing on other providers if it was a 1-year deal and at higher cost to the standard BT rate, to help build the brand recognition. But even then I'm not sure I'd take that deal, the value isn't there.

colin25 23-06-2013 09:38
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35587428)
If I were BT I wouldn't sell BT Sports to VM (or anyone else) at all, for exactly the same reasons Sky won't wholesale Atlantic - when you make your profit from triple play bundles not the channel itself, wholesaling access to your biggest USP to a direct rival is counter productive. The only reason its available on Sky is because BT can buy the EPG access direct and cut out Sky entirely, and just use the fact that most people have Sky already as a convenient way to deliver it to people without decent broadband.

The only way I could see it appearing on other providers if it was a 1-year deal and at higher cost to the standard BT rate, to help build the brand recognition. But even then I'm not sure I'd take that deal, the value isn't there.
That is my default view too

But waiting and seeing what will happen

MaverickJesus 23-06-2013 09:39
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Actually there is another possibility - if they get exceptionally poor subscriber numbers on the run up to the new Premiership season they might open it up to wholesale, but I haven't seen any figures released that indicate that either way. When is BTs next results release?

denphone 23-06-2013 09:54
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35587414)
I got a feeling that a deal with BT Sport is going to be announced in late July
We would hope that would be the scenario.

johnasimmons 23-06-2013 10:53
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35587142)

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The time could come where this web-page (which was pulled after a day) comes true!

colin25 23-06-2013 11:32
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35587464)
The time could come where this web-page (which was pulled after a day) comes true!
http://www.endofworld.net/

And this web page

johnasimmons 23-06-2013 11:45
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587483)
http://www.endofworld.net/

And this web page

that was brilliant! :)

DaMac 23-06-2013 11:49
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35587385)
So what would you all do if god forbid VM failed to get a deal with BT and they ended up not carrying the BT sports channel (i have no idea if they have or have not got a deal), would you leave VM and move to sky or BT ???
I have been thinking of changing to sky tv and BT fibre for a a while for a variety of reasons, VM not getting BT would be yet another reason.... But I could stay with my existing VM pack and upgrade my satellite dish, there are other ways of getting live HD premier league football on a Saturday, and one suspects that the BT matches will also be available from our European cousins. :rolleyes:

colin25 23-06-2013 11:51
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35587494)
I have been thinking of changing to sky tv and BT fibre for a a while for a variety of reasons, VM not getting BT would be yet another reason.... But I could stay with my existing VM pack and upgrade my satellite dish, there are other ways of getting live HD premier league football on a Saturday, and one suspects that the BT matches will also be available from our European cousins. :rolleyes:
I was reading that BT etc will start to block these online football providers...now they have an interest

Dave42 23-06-2013 12:23
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35587385)
So what would you all do if god forbid VM failed to get a deal with BT and they ended up not carrying the BT sports channel (i have no idea if they have or have not got a deal), would you leave VM and move to sky or BT ???
no wouldn't leave to join sky :nono::nono::nono:

DaMac 23-06-2013 13:34
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587498)
I was reading that BT etc will start to block these online football providers...now they have an interest
Who said anything about online providers? The clue was updating the satellite dish. Sky was recently thwarted by a Portsmouth landlady who chooses to get her live premier league footage from Greece. There are options out there.

colin25 23-06-2013 13:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35587547)
Who said anything about online providers? The clue was updating the satellite dish. Sky was recently thwarted by a Portsmouth landlady who chooses to get her live premier league footage from Greece. There are options out there.
Ahh, sorry..didn't read that right :(

And yes, i remember that case

DaMac 23-06-2013 15:10
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
...as to blocking streaming access, so they should, it is terrible quality if nothing else.

Arthurgray50@blu 23-06-2013 15:30
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
There must be lots of members that cannot get Sky ie the dish, so therefore have to depend on other sources ie BT or VM.

The only company being a pain in the rear is VM. They should be a provider of all channels that Sky have.

But then VM dont give a monkeys for it customer - we have seen that over the years. Customers are after certain channels, but don't get them. Irs always the same - we are in talks, same old crap.

denphone 23-06-2013 15:32
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35587590)
There must be lots of members that cannot get Sky ie the dish, so therefore have to depend on other sources ie BT or VM.

The only company being a pain in the rear is VM. They should be a provider of all channels that Sky have.

But then VM dont give a monkeys for it customer - we have seen that over the years. Customers are after certain channels, but don't get them. Irs always the same - we are in talks, same old crap.
Arthur sorry to upset you but you have no idea what you are talking about with regards to your comments about VM.:nono:

johnasimmons 23-06-2013 15:40
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587592)
Arthur sorry to upset you but you have no idea what you are talking about with regards to your comments about VM.:nono:
Seconded
:sniper:

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A post on the VirginMedia forum:
I've just talked to customer service, thinking of upgrading to vip pack. I asked him about BT Sport channel, and he said it will be announced by 2nd week in July. I will believe it when I see it. So I've held back on vip pack until I see whats happening with BT Sport
http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...1880924/page/2

tvtimes 23-06-2013 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35585151)
First of all Virgin are indeed wise not to bid for sports rights as they have shot through the roof in the last few years and secondly comparing Sky and BT is like comparing a incumbent heavyweight against a lightweight and the end result will always be a easy win for the stronger bigger heavyweight boxer.
Lol, you make BT sound like some incompetant newcomer; they may be a newcomer to broadcasting, but they're no lightweight.

Dave42 23-06-2013 15:56
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35587590)
There must be lots of members that cannot get Sky ie the dish, so therefore have to depend on other sources ie BT or VM.

The only company being a pain in the rear is VM. They should be a provider of all channels that Sky have.

But then VM dont give a monkeys for it customer - we have seen that over the years. Customers are after certain channels, but don't get them. Irs always the same - we are in talks, same old crap.
and tell us how when sky withholding the channels not VM what planet you on Arthur FFS do you get it SKY wont let anyone have the channels there withholding sheshhhhhhhhhhhhh come on Arthur think about it

johnasimmons 23-06-2013 15:57
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35587603)
Lol, you make BT sound like some incompetant newcomer; they may be a newcomer to broadcasting, but they're no lightweight.
True, they are no lightweights but they are newcomers to broadcasting

denphone 23-06-2013 16:04
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35587603)
Lol, you make BT sound like some incompetant newcomer; they may be a newcomer to broadcasting, but they're no lightweight.
Compared to Sky's clever brains team they are a bunch of dunces in my humble opinion.

Dave42 23-06-2013 16:06
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587613)
Compared to Sky's clever brains team they are a bunch of dunces in my humble opinion.
and don't think BT will have the money to really take on sky either sky will up the bids next time football right come alone

muppetman11 23-06-2013 16:28
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35587616)
and don't think BT will have the money to really take on sky either sky will up the bids next time football right come alone
LOL :D BT haven't got the money :D

BT market cap 24.37bn GBP
BSKYB market cap 12.49bn GBP

Best one so far today :D:D:D

colin25 23-06-2013 16:40
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587625)
LOL :D BT haven't got the money :D

BT market cap 24.37bn GBP
BSKYB market cap 12.49bn GBP

Best one so far today :D:D:D
Virgin mathematics :D

denphone 23-06-2013 16:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587625)
LOL :D BT haven't got the money :D

BT market cap 24.37bn GBP
BSKYB market cap 12.49bn GBP

Best one so far today :D:D:D
True in that respect but Sky still have the mighty News Corp to lend them a hand if need be and when it comes to the TV market Sky are light years ahead of BT.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35587631)
Virgin mathematics :D
No 1+1 equals 2 not 5 dear chap.:D;)

Dave42 23-06-2013 17:18
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587625)
LOL :D BT haven't got the money :D

BT market cap 24.37bn GBP
BSKYB market cap 12.49bn GBP

Best one so far today :D:D:D
BT wont spend the money it needs to outbid sky as sky all ready pay twice as much and will up bid and Murdoch knows how much sky need the football

sky forked out £2.28bn
BT forked out £738m

no way will BT outbid sky for football as them figures show

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...on-BT-Sky.html

Mr Banana 23-06-2013 17:43
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35587625)
LOL :D BT haven't got the money :D

BT market cap 24.37bn GBP
BSKYB market cap 12.49bn GBP

Best one so far today :D:D:D
Liberty sit right in the middle with 18.53bn

DaMac 23-06-2013 19:21
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Just reading on DS that a customer told retentions he was leaving because VM can't guarantee BT sports and they rang him back to offer him sky sports free for 6 months to get him to stay...
That doesn't sound like VM are too confident about getting it either.

denphone 23-06-2013 19:45
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35587714)
Just reading on DS that a customer told retentions he was leaving because VM can't guarantee BT sports and they rang him back to offer him sky sports free for 6 months to get him to stay...
That doesn't sound like VM are too confident about getting it either.
In the unlikely scenario of it not arriving then Virgin would be wise to have something up their sleeve as they will have to appease quite a few customers in my opinion if it does not arrive.

Sirius 23-06-2013 19:49
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587728)
In the unlikely scenario of it not arriving then Virgin would be wise to have something up their sleeve as they will have to appease quite a few customers in my opinion if it does not arrive.
This could if it happens that way be another Sky one debacle.

Arthurgray50@blu 23-06-2013 20:33
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Well can you answer the question then.
Why does VM treat there customers with such poor customer care. Why does it take so long for them to let us know about certain channels. and why does it take so long for talks to be done. there must be thosands of VM customers that would love the channels that Sky have but cannot get the full Sky channel service.

Other cable operators have channels that VM customers would love to have.

Dave42 23-06-2013 20:39
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35587763)
Well can you answer the question then.
Why does VM treat there customers with such poor customer care. Why does it take so long for them to let us know about certain channels. and why does it take so long for talks to be done. there must be thosands of VM customers that would love the channels that Sky have but cannot get the full Sky channel service.

Other cable operators have channels that VM customers would love to have.
as said before what can VM do if sky withhold channels Arthur or BT if they with hold bt sport it only can sky as BT sell it direct to sky customers should we blame sky for them not having access to VM's broadband Arthur ? and of course the answer is no you cant

Doug P 24-06-2013 12:15
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587613)
Compared to Sky's clever brains team they are a bunch of dunces in my humble opinion.
very much dunces in my view Den. Not a clue how to treat potential customers in my experience either....

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Simply do not agree with Arthur on VM customer care or the length of time of negotiations.

Gavin-D 25-06-2013 15:19
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Setanta Sports Ireland has singed a deal to carry all of the BT sport channels in the Republic of Ireland (ROI)

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/70512...rt-to-ireland/

Chad 25-06-2013 15:51
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35588341)
Setanta Sports Ireland has singed a deal to carry all of the BT sport channels in the Republic of Ireland (ROI)

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/70512...rt-to-ireland/
Very interesting deal. Rather than agreeing a carriage deal with SKY Ireland or UPC, BT agree a broadcast deal with Setanta instead. So BT Sports will be available on cable and satellite in Ireland but UPC and SKY will make little to no money.

Gavin-D 25-06-2013 15:53
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UKTV launches catch-up service with YouView

UKTV has joined forces with subscription TV platform YouView to launch a catch-up service. Subscribers will be able to access content from Dave, Yesterday and Really on-demand through their set-top boxes. The move marks the first time UKTV has operated a catch-up service that is purpose-built for television hardware.

"The UKTV network currently reaches over 42 million viewers a month and this agreement with YouView will make our award-winning programmes and channel brands available to even more viewers," said UKTV CEO Darren Childs. "Providing a catch-up service for our free-to-air channels on YouView is an important step for us, ensuring we give viewers the 'anytime, anywhere' access to our channels and programming that they want."

Earlier today, YouView launched its companion app for Android devices, allowing users to record shows and view listings on the move. Dave content will be available through YouView from next month, with Yesterday and Really programming to be added before the end of the year.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...#ixzz2XEw9PwNZ

muppetman11 25-06-2013 15:58
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
There's some big things to come from YouView this year.

Doug P 25-06-2013 17:07
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35588360)
There's some big things to come from YouView this year.
But not BT sports?

Chad 25-06-2013 17:37
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35588397)
But not BT sports?
BT Sports will be on Youview, if you take Youview via BT.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35588356)
UKTV launches catch-up service with YouView

UKTV has joined forces with subscription TV platform YouView to launch a catch-up service. Subscribers will be able to access content from Dave, Yesterday and Really on-demand through their set-top boxes. The move marks the first time UKTV has operated a catch-up service that is purpose-built for television hardware.

"The UKTV network currently reaches over 42 million viewers a month and this agreement with YouView will make our award-winning programmes and channel brands available to even more viewers," said UKTV CEO Darren Childs. "Providing a catch-up service for our free-to-air channels on YouView is an important step for us, ensuring we give viewers the 'anytime, anywhere' access to our channels and programming that they want."

Earlier today, YouView launched its companion app for Android devices, allowing users to record shows and view listings on the move. Dave content will be available through YouView from next month, with Yesterday and Really programming to be added before the end of the year.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...#ixzz2XEw9PwNZ
Virgin used to be the number 1 provider of catch up TV in the UK but have been overtaken by SKY and now YouView, in terms of channels covered bt their catch up service.

telegramsam 25-06-2013 17:48
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Virgin do seem to be falling behind badly as a tv provider. But then many of us saw that one coming

DaMac 25-06-2013 19:05
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Mmm it's very hard to see what virgins future strategy could be, somewhere down the line they could be as relevant as talk talk.


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