Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The middle East envoy is conspicuous by his absence. Pity, someone might take a lucky pot-shot.:D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Either way Yes or No, next week Salmond or Cameron should resign.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

That is of course what men of honour do...

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The Telegraph have picked up on this too.

"A TNS poll conducted earlier this week found the referendum contest was level pegging, but it was conducted between August 27 and Thursday last week. The new poll was conducted between Friday and yesterday after it emerged there had been a surge for Yes. With the race tightening with just seven days to go, observers had widely expected the poll to show a lead for the Yes campaign as Survation has consistently put Yes support higher than other pollsters."

I'm taking nothing for granted. From day one I always new every single person who wanted independence would turn up at the polls to vote next week. It had long troubled me that those who planned to vote No would become complaisant due to polls continually showing a wide lead. The past 7 days has brought into focus that people who plan to vote No must turn up at the polls at all cost.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Sums it up.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/09/37.jpg

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

What's Gordo getting for helping save daves backside, Dave denied him the top job at the world bank not so long ago iirc

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Plenty of bullying today towards the YES campaign:

http://news.sky.com/story/1333388/sc...o-independence

http://news.sky.com/story/1333363/bu...-scots-no-vote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ependence.html

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I was going to post a picture of Salmond like that, but no matter how much I shrunk it, I still couldn't get all of his nose on the screen....

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b5c48254-3...#axzz3CvvRV5qY

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When you consider how many of our past and present UK armed forces personnel come from Scotland, there would be a large pool to find any trained dissidents in.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Ah, jingoism. How I've missed you.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

World banks warn Scots

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-sell-off.html

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Negative argument = scaremongering
Positive argument - jingoism

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Bliar, Brown and the rest of his New Labour cronies. If Scotland wants to vote for their ilk good let them do so after independence. ;)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Project Fear is turning into Project reality. Salmond can dismiss this as scaremongering all he likes, he did so again today, but it's happening.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/509812954892869632



---------- Post added at 22:46 ---------- Previous post was at 22:30 ----------

and another...https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/509818477587468288

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No. RBS should stay in Scotland, ditto Scottish Life and any other Scottish companies thinking of moving out of Scotland. They should pay their tax to Scotland.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It's hard to reconcile a "positive argument" with the ordinary definition of jingoism. "Jingoism is patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy.[1] Jingoism also refers to a country's advocation of the use of threats or actual force, as against peaceful relations, either economic or political, with other countries, in order to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests. Colloquially, it refers to excessive bias in judging one's own country as superior to others—an extreme type of nationalism." ---------- Post added at 23:40 ---------- Previous post was at 23:15 ---------- Moving their headquarters might not necessarily involve a physical move. As I understand it (and I may well be wrong) in the event of a "Yes" vote they could move their HQ's for the purposes of legal entity recognition to England (or Wales / Northern Ireland for that matter) by registering under the Overseas Companies Regulations 2009.

EDIT.

The Lloyds banking Group contact page makes for interesting reading. It already has HQ addresses in London & Halifax.

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For me it's always been a reality. I work in the legal team for one of those banks based in Edinburgh. Whilst nothing has been confirmed officially to us, there has been a sense in our office that changes are afoot. For the last 12 months no new staff have been hired. As people have left the company the staff who remain have taken on more responsibilities. Where we can't cope work has been moved to other offices down south, or sold to other companies. All cases that have been moved or sold are for English, Welsh and Irish customers. We've long suspected everything has been on hold until the outcome of the referendum. If Scotland votes YES, we will still have a presence in Scotland / Edinburgh but we certainly won't have the same level of work or requirement for staff. It's almost a certainty redundancies will follow. Interestingly our CEO is visiting us on Wednesday the 17th for a meeting. No agenda has been set.

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Hope this doesn't scare cast iron Dave away from giving whats left of the UK an in/out referendum on the EU. Assuming he would give us one anyway, which is doubtful. The reality that people will vote other than what he want's should wipe that smug look off his face but pretty sure he is too far detached from reality though.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

That definition of Jingoism could equally apply to the YES camp, IMHO.

---------- Post added at 08:53 ---------- Previous post was at 08:51 ----------

You shouldn't try and mask your feelings - tell us what you really think....;)

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Not suprising as Lloyds was bought/merged, whatever, with the HBOS group. Halifax Bank of Scotland.

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The headlines don't look great for the Yessers this morning. Today's papers are carrying the news that BP and Shell both agree with the assessment that the oil will be pretty much gone within 35 years, and that Standard Life and RBS have plans in place to relocate to England in the event of a Yes.

Oh, and that most aptly named newspaper, The Scotsman, has published a front page editorial tearing the case for independence to shreds and coming out firmly for NO.

Apparently Salmond also got his generously proportioned erse handed to him on a plate in an online debate with Darling at Mumsnet.com as well ...

---------- Post added at 10:22 ---------- Previous post was at 10:19 ----------

LBG's main consumer banking brands are Lloyds, Halifax and Bank of Scotland, so naturally they have existing HQ addresses in London, Halifax and Edinburgh. The prospect of the Edinburgh operation losing its status or disappearing altogether would be seismic. It was bad enough when they merged with Halifax, after which there was a lot of huffing and puffing over which location had become the 'true' head office of the combined group.

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I see the BBC are reporting that RBS have confirmed the "relocation" is as I suspected and will not cost jobs according to a letter issued by their CEO. ---------- Post added at 10:34 ---------- Previous post was at 10:33 ---------- Agreed. ---------- Post added at 10:37 ---------- Previous post was at 10:34 ---------- Again, I suspect any "move" will be in keeping with those clarified by RBS.

I see from that report that Lloyds have also clarified their position "Lloyds Banking Group said it could also shift its legal home to its headquarters, which is already in London. However, Lloyds said this was just a legal procedure and "there would be no immediate changes or issues"."

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Symbolism is of great importance in issues pertaining to nationalism and identity, Mr A. Living where you do, you of all CF members are surely aware of that. Even if not one penny moves south, major "Scottish" banking brands no longer being legally Scottish, means something to some people.

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Salmond has dismissed the banks moving out as, yup, scaremongering.

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I agree totally Chris, you're on the money (no pun intended) but I am looking at the facts, not the emotions. As you say, living where I do, I'm acutely aware of symbolism, but that's all it is to me.

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It is not just symbolic.

They want the registration in England because they would want their customers, or more accurate the majority of their customers would want, to be regulated by the British regulator. It's not just the address changing, it's also where all those accounts, savings, investments and mortgages are registered. So it's also where the majority of the corporate activity is occurring. It's where the tax would be paid.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

They are contemplating the creation of a legal entity, that is all, nothing has to move. It is a matter of Company law, not nationalism or symbolism.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Linky

So not bullying now but a conspiracy.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Salmond's doing a great job of emulating Putin's hyprocrisy right now.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

well he does admire putin

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Wonder if they'll get the London Borough of Tower Hamlets in to supervise the count?

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It'll be interesting how 'animated' the SNP lot become if they start to think things aren't going their way. They're already acting like boorish idiots and always seem to resort to accusations or threats when they can't answer questions like what's plan B when it comes to a currency?

Salmond has brought the sort of off the field tactics normally associated with an England trip to Murrayfield into politics and just as with the rugby, it's a sure sign of desperation to win at any cost.

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http://news.sky.com/story/1333891/sc...prices-warning

I have never heard so much crap in all my life. What we simply have is that Scotland, are still within the UK. Irrespective, of the fact that they want to run there own 'country'.

We have MPs saying this and that, What Scotland has is the riches of the oil fields, dont forget, they get a better health care than we do.

My wife is Scottish, and are proud of there birthplace. And have been wanted to vote, but have been told they cannot.

IF Scotland can run there own 'country' then let them do it. They seem to run it better, than Cameron is running the rest of the UK.

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Actually, Arthur, that's entirely factual but hey why let facts get in the way of a good rant?

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Salmond seems to have forgotten that a campaign rally and a press conference are two different kinds of event.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5804192.html

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YouGov poll tonight for The Sun/The Times.

Murdoch hasn't tweeted a spoiler which might suggest it's not to his liking. Alternatively tomorrow might be the day that The Sun in Scotland comes out supporting Independence and has a nice juicy poll to hammer the point home. The latter is out of the control of Murdoch, YouGov are a reputable company that won't produce a loaded poll to suit the political motivations of the client.

Still I imagine the timing of the Yes pronouncement will be coordinated to have the biggest impact to give a positive news cycle for Yes. When The Sun backed the Conservatives for the 2010 General Election they did it the day after Gordon Brown's speech to the Labour Conference, which was otherwise well received, to kill any positive press he would have gotten.

This is the a card we presume Yes have up their sleeve it's just a question of when it's deployed.

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There's no question of Kellner rigging a poll to suit Murdoch, but something peculiar has definitely happened to YouGov's sample. The shift in opinion it has shown in the last month should have had at least an echo in this week's Survation poll, but there wasn't even a flicker. Survation is absolutely rock steady, with a 6-point lead for No.

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It could be argued YouGov was reverting to the mean but it was odd as where did those extra people come from? There is the concept of herding where polls that are significant outliers suddenly adjust as they don't want to be wrong but no one has suggested a methodology change from YouGov for that poll.

We'll see tonight if it's stable, regressed a bit, moved for Yes a bit. Given the lack of 'hype' from Murdoch I suspect it's but No just ahead again.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Sorry Arthur but huh?

If Scotland was to seperate then the higher prices ARE a possiblity. They will NOT be within the UK at all. Attached to it but not in it.

Scotland has the exact same healthcare....The NHS its just we run it a bit better.

However currently Scotland is still 'run' by Cameron and Westminster. We just have control over certain things like education, Policing, health. The main things are still the exact same as England/Wales/NI.

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BTW It's worth looking at Murdoch's Twitter feed to see just how much he is enjoying toying around with what he plans to do. Drops teasingly little tweets now and then...

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch

He is really not happy with Westminster but I suspect it's more over phone hacking than anything higher, more noble, purpose.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Salmond's becoming increasingly delusional. Why anyone want to put their trust in him is beyond me. A 'press conference' surrounded by sychophants? Sounding ever more like Putin...

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If anyone wants an insight as to just how disappointingly biased, selective and embittered some at the BBC have become when it comes to reporting facts I'd invite them to watch these two clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enrdDaf3uss

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

YouGov puts No back in the lead:

YES - 48% (-3)
NO - 52% (+3)

:)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Anyone unable to see the schools debate on BBC One Scotland that has just finished, you must see it when it's broadcast to the rest of the UK after the news, starting around 10.40pm IIRC. Patrick Harvie, Nicola Sturgeon, Ruth Davidson and Gorgeous George Galloway in front of an audience of 7,000 sixth year pupils from every school in Scotland.

This was by far the best debate I have seen and this time the BBC Scotland hack in the chair wasn't afraid to keep control and tell the panellists to shut up when necessary.

And, in terms of getting their points across, a modest win for the No campaign, IMO. Harvie was earnest but esoteric while Sturgeon resorted to playing the man (or woman) as is the nationalist way. Davidson was calm and clear while Galloway ... well, he was George Galloway. A good orator.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Been watching the debate on BBC with all the school kids. Yet again Sturgeon just like bawface was shouting over everyone else when they tried to answer.

My step daughter was due to be there today but couldn't go.

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It'll be an interesting watch from what I saw of the live commentary on the Cardigan.

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It was good but thought the panelists were still given too much of the floor. It would have been interesting to hear more from the 16 and 17 year olds (I don't think it was restricted to 6th years, although I suspect it was mainly 6th Years who were among the 500 on the floor).

Of the panelists I thought both wummin performed well. I still despise them both though ;). Patrick Harvie was OK. I was a bit disappointed in GG. Love him or hate him he is an excellent orator but I think he underperformed. Perhaps he was distracted by having so support both the Tories and Labor :D

I don't think think there was anything in the discussion that would push the unknowns one way or the other. Certainly nothing that would turn a Nae into Yae or vice versa.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Stephen, My wife's family are from Glasgow. And she has said NO. She has been told that she cannot vote.

She is now in London, but her heart obviouly is Scotland. I believe that it is up to the people who decide. Not some pocksy MPs from London, especially Cameron. Who as far as l know Scots dont normally vote Tory.

My personnal feeling is that its the Scots who decide.

I dont believe costs will rise. The oil Fields will keep Scots thriving for years to come.

There was a poll down in London which said that IF the vote was Yes, the majoirty of votes for a general election, would be halved - how true that is l dontr know

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

More on that YouGov poll:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...71431297359872

Women are reverting back to 'No'. He says scare tactics working but only the last part of the fieldwork for the poll was done after those stories broke.

Brown does seem to be the best guy to front the campaign until polling day:

Yes is now behind in most age groups but the 25-39 year olds.

An additional positive is No's lead remains strongest with the demographic most likely to vote (older people).

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

If they do vote yes, and once the changes have happened, its unlikely Liebour will ever be in government again apparently?

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"The BBC is under political pressure to reveal details of a highly charged internal study which found that viewers in an independent Scotland would have to pay almost double their current licence fee if they wanted to continue watching and listening to the same BBC shows."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...e-impartiality

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They got majorities in '97 and '01 being enough to allow them to lose Scottish seats and be ok.

Realistically they would just drift slightly to the right, more New Labour in '97, and the Tories will drift righter still. Especially with UKIP on their tails. I think politics would be pretty different anyway so the majorities and presumptions of previous parliaments may not apply anymore.

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That is major concern. "disappointingly biased" is very diplomatic language Mr A.

Deceitfully lying is a more accurate description. It's the sort of editing I'd expect from Fox or Sky. I expect more from the BBC :(

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Same story with at least some broadband for similar reasons.

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In other words, the only people backing independence are the ones who feel sufficiently in control of their own destinies not to be excessively bothered about the risks it poses to the State, and the State's ability to provide support services which, by and large, they don't need.

But those considering education and training, and those with concerns about health, pension and social care in later life, most definitely are concerned, because, I think, they have less direct and immediate control over their lives and are more aware of the State's role in supporting them.

Far from this being a case of No voters being "I'm alright jack" and the Yessers all voting for a brigheter future, it seems to me that the people most likely to vote Yes are the ones who need worry the least about the risks it poses to the most vulnerable among us.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Of course she can't vote, she no longer lives here.

Also another really interesting fact NOT all MPs are from London. In fact the majority are from all over the UK.

Of course costsprices may rise. If independance there would be different tax rates and import costs for Scotland not to mention a different currency.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Someone also needs to enquire into the running of the YouGov polls. As a regular YouGov survey member, I was asked to fill in last week's Independence Poll. Said 'YES VOTE'. Was not asked to complete the latest poll. How do they choose who to complete Poll?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I believe half of the sample are people are constantly polled and another half are randomly selected. This is done to both try and keep the samples fresh and to measure trends.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

While I don't necessarily subscribe to the conspiracy theory implied in this graphic being circulated by some Better Together local groups, the difference between the polling results from last weekend, and the trend line implied by earlier and later results, is quite stark.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1410515104

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Most likely that aberration was noise. Murdoch was tweeted his teasing stuff again last night only this time the poll wasn't what he would have wanted.

I am beginning to think The Sun might not back anyway and Murdoch is just enjoying making 'the establishment' sweat.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

So does that mean prices could also go down?

Cheers

Grim

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Revenge for Leveson. ;)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Almost certainly. Otherwise Salmond's politics aren't his cup of tea.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

They could but that's unlikely. Spreading the costs of transport between 5 million people over a sparsely populated area will almost inevitably by more than 55 million.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...oll?CMP=twt_gu

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Squeaky bum time. Still hopeful common sense will prevail over the shiny, shiny key rattling of the yes campaign.

Sunday will see a bunch of 'defections' to Yes with Henry McLeish (former first minister) amongst them I reckon.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Why do you say that?

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Just the way he's been quietly slating the No campaign whilst praising yes but claiming to be a better together supporter.

My gut feeling is he will be announced as a convert to the cause at the last moment to try a get a final few votes from labour supporters.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I would also invite people to watch the non-edited 2nd link where the BBC includes Salmond's answer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...r9q-eGGE#t=670

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Ooops. Looks like the Nats caring/sharing mask is slipping and they are showing their true colours

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-vote-Yes.html

There you go. Speak out about legitimate concerns and someone close to the heart of the Yes campaign will decide to exact some revenge.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The Cardigan comes out for No, but manages to sound like an aged house master, lecturing a wayward student over the top of his half-rims.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...h-independence

"Britain deserves another chance" ... well thank you Grauniad, thank you so much for your generosity ... :erm:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I'm sure that the editorial isn't at all influenced by Rusbridger standing to inherit the Benshie estate through his wife, daughter of Baron Mackie of Benshie.

No declaration if interest in the article so I'm sure it's all above board... Aye rihgt
;)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Craig Murray hasn't yet explained why he wouldn't or why it's relevant. Also seems to be playing the man rather than the ball.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

One thing that worries me if the yes voters lose by a small amount, will they feel robbed and forever feel bitter towards being part of the UK? Could it give birth to like a scottish IRA?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The FT, The Economist, and the Welsh Western Mail also came out for No today.

---------- Post added at 22:24 ---------- Previous post was at 22:23 ----------

No to the second question. The reasons and existence of the IRA is a lot deeper and more complicated than what is happening in Scotland.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I'd have thought the relevance was obvious. Don't you think that it would have been worth mentioning?

---------- Post added at 22:38 ---------- Previous post was at 22:36 ----------

I'm not sure there are many potential Yes voters who read the Welsh Western Mail. :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Why is it obvious? Where is it anyway? Will inheritance law be null and void post-Yes?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The relevant part being that it's in Scotland.
I don't get invited to too many estates :) so I'm not sure of exact location but I think it's North East.

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But it would be his estate wouldn't it? Why wouldn't his wife inherit it in the aftermath of a Yes vote anyway? It seems to make no difference at all.

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You don't see that potentially owning a large chunk of Scotland could sway how you feel about the outcome of an independence referendum? (even if you don't actually have a vote yourself)

If you were in that position and the editor of a national newspaper, and you were influencing your readers in an editorial, do you think that you might mention in passing that you have that interest.... even if it didn't influence your recommendation.

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I think that's rather tenuous.

I have no idea of the size of this 'estate'. I can't find any information about it at all and a search for Benshie comes up with nothing. I find it weird that there can be an estate of his size without a single mention on Google other than Murray's post. This place is so illusive that with 30 minutes Murray's blog was the first hit. For all we know it could simple mean 'his estate' rather than 'an estate'.

Leaving that aside I am not sure the extent to which it matters anymore than an editor advocating for lower inheritance taxes has to declare an interest that they may, in future, be paying inheritance tax does. I would say he already had an interest in being a citizen of the United Kingdom. The Scotsman declared for No as well and presumably their editor has interests in Scotland too. Ditto Sunday Herald.

I don't like the idea that anyone who advocates a side in the vote needs to declare their respective interests on either side of the border.

Unless there is something special or different in this case, i.e he would stand to lose the land in a Yes vote, I don't think he needed to declare it.

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Maybe you expect less standards from journalism than I do. Maybe the standards of journalism are such that our expectations are lower.

I'm not talking about anybody advocating a side in the vote. I'm talking about the editor of a national newspaper who doesn't have a vote, has a significant personal interest, fails to mention it.

I doubt if you'll find much information (on Google)on many estates in Scotland unless they've turned them into Safari parks, visitor centres or shooting galleries for the rich.

However, it's a well known fact in Forfar that Bensh (as us locals call it) is the secret hideaway of Elvis Presley and James Dean. It's been rumoured that Hitler holidays there but it's probably John Lennon playing jokes with a silly moustache. You won't find that on google either ;)

{some of the information in this post may contain inaccuracies}

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

If you have higher expectations then you should be a good deal more questioning about Murray's assertions in a blog post rather than assuming it to be true and asking why it wasn't declared.

We don't know if it's significant personal interest. We don't know how the vote influences it because he have no idea that 'it' is or what policies could impact upon 'it'.

All we know, and I had to research this much since Murray wasn't kind enough too, is that the guy mentioned is a Scottish Politician who was made a life peer and given the title: "Baron Mackie of Benshie". Somewhere along the line he must have been given an estate with the same name for reasons unknown, or renamed an existing estate he had with the title.

Unless Murray saw the name and presumed that Benshie was a place and since he was a 'Baron' it must be a large amount of land and that he owned it.

Still. I don't think the prospect of an editor's wife possibility being bequeathed property in the future is of sufficient importance to warrant a discloser from that editor when writing about an issue which could somehow affect it. After all the amount of issues could impact upon that property is massive.

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No.

There have been idiots who tried to do this but their neighbours informed on them and they got arrested and sent to prison.

I can't give links right now but I do remember reading about these plonkers previously.
SNLA or something similar.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Back to the bullying again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29186106

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Bullying? Or the usual childish propaganda tactics expected around election time?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I don't think this is usual, nor is it a normal election. We've seen the Westminster propaganda machine working at full force this week. I haven't seen anything like this since the days when we were being fed BS regarding Iraq.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

No it isn't an election but in a referendum (especially one with serious implications as this) there will be similarities in terms of mud-slinging and BS tactics. Alex vs Nick Robinson the other day is a good example. This close to polling day is usually 'squeaky bum time' and that's when we get the scare stories.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It's not just the scare stories. That has always been there. It's the misinformation, the selective information and the underhand mud slinging that have reached a level that has gone beyond a normal election campaign.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Some of these banks are foreign ones. Credit Sussie, Deutsche Bank. Why would they be engaged with childish propaganda as well?

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I wouldn't have thought so but I still don't consider it 'bullying'.

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He was on Sky this morning. Basically saying anyone that disagreed with the SNP were meddling in the democratic process.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

what worries me is where Britain would put our nukes if its a yes vote considering they are all currently at a site in Scotland!

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Trident would see out its life on the Clyde, of that I am sure. There are a lot of CND types up here voting Yes purely to get rid of it, but they've been had. Even the SNP White Paper on independence contains some very obvious weasel words about their aspirations to move it.

After that, Devonport is probably the most likely alternative site for the system that replaces Trident.

But it's not going to happen. :)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It's how it's reported, the interpretation and the significance it's given.

Overseas banks have also drawn up contingency plans to move some operations out of the UK because of the possiblilty of a EU referendum.

I would imagine that drawing up a contingency plan is a fairly normal procedure for any Finance institution if there a potential political change that may impact on their business. Such a contingency plan would have to look at worse case scenarios; Eventual outcomes are seldom worse case.

The interpretation by the media, including the BBC, is usually even darker than the worse case scenario

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That's not what they're saying though. They're issuing guidance to their customers that Scotland is a risky place to keep your money at the moment as they think Scotland will be weaker economically, especially in the short term, if they leave.

The Yes campaign keep saying this kind of thing is scaremongering but it isn't. It's a disruptive thing to spilt a country apart, to leave a market, and not to know what currency will be used.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Interesting interview with Jim Sillars on the BBC.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I'm not part of the Yes campaign and I can see clearly that it is scaremongering. There is unbalanced reporting. Those anti-independent businesses are making the headlines, those businesses who say it will have no effect or may be beneficial are either not reported or mentioned in the last paragraph.

The Westminster PR machine, coordinated in No 10, has managed to band together some businesses to issues pro-Union/anti-independence sentiments. This does not make that a consensus of all businesses.