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high jitter for my vmng300. here is the real shock tho. I may be stm'd, but must be a fault if I am as I havent downloaded anything today, however it did flat line at 25% and didnt look like congestion. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/24.png |
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I think I am defenitly STM'd (flatlines not jagged) but will be ringing up tommorow to ask why and them to check my official usage stats.
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A blind pig with poor sense of smell will probably find a truffle now and then. Likewise, even a terribly made piece of equipment might work well on a network or two, here and there. Those are odds.
What concerns me is not just the releasing of products that are poor/unfinished two or three times in a row (pre-update VMNG300/Hub, current Super Hub) but how slapdash the alleged testing is. Didn't I see Mark Wilikin say the beta pool was something like 100 users in a recent post about R26? That's hardly a comprehensive study, even if those people are all very tech savvy, especially when updates are being pushed out fast and are still found to introduce other problems or exacerbate existing ones. Obviously things are wrong with several links in the chain, even a layperson could see that. In fact, the Super Hub is so bad that I think R27 (i.e. bridge mode version) isn't going to help. It seems that even this will be screwed up. Simplest solution... call Ambit up and have them produce another line of VMNG300s. Better still, while they're doing that have them make another standalone modem which can bond 8 downstream channels etc. Wising up and cutting losses, going with what has been proven to work well when rolled out across the whole network, that's the logical move. The entire life cycle of the Super Hub so far has been a classic exercise in how not to release a piece of technology. VM are a service provider not a manufacturer, and their increasing attempts to dabble are making their CPEs steadily worse. Leave the device making to the experts, like you did years ago. How about allowing customers to use whatever modem they want provided it complies with network requirements in the area in will be used in? These are all better stopgap solutions than making a shoddy piece of kit steadily worse and wasting pots of money in the process. As a company, VM are full of pride and oblivious of the fall that often follows. Of course all the sound advice suggested by me and countless others will fall on ears as deaf as stone because VM knows best, right up until a mass migration of customers to other more reliable services. Remember there's a recession on: people are looking for more value and service than they might have lived with a few years back. If BT Infinity is up to the task when it becomes available in more areas, the smart people will up sticks sooner than you boys can cook up another denial in the face of overwhelming evidence from all quarters. Anyone burned yet? ;) :D |
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when 100mbit is released by the start of next year in all cable areas will we need a new modem or will this superhub be ok? i dont want to upgrade and then have to upgrade again for the 100meg line like a xtrm super hub or something
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Because that's what VM want. They did exactly the same with 50Mb so no point in questioning it.
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Probably to explain to your face why your 5 year old wireless g laptop only gets 30meg wirelessly
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my sister gave me her laptop to sort out it had a few issues.
1 - mega slow for bootup and general use, hdd permanently on. 2 - very poor internet speeds isp virgin media. The laptop has the bundled vista on it and a gig of ram, to make things worse the graphics card also uses 256mb ram for itself and it cannot be tuned in bios to a lower amount. I have installed win7 home premium on it one of my technet licenses and most of the performance issues are now relieved although its still clearly ram saturated. New ram is ordered and an extra 2 gig will go in next week when it arrives. Now regarding the internet speed I tested it on my wireless and it maxed out at 20mbit flatlined, just to make sure I repeated the test and also tested on my pc and laptop, both of mine were 30mbit. Looking at device manager shows her laptop is indeed only wireless G, so I have concluded there is a 20mbit limit on that to my wireless router, I plan to repeat the test to my dir615 wireless as thats the router my sister has at home. However she was also complaining of speeds jumping up and down and stalling at 0 for periods of time, thats the same symptons I had when I was on docsis1 legacy network so the problems could also be VM side for her but is possible I guess if her wireless channel has interference it could have the same symptons. Either way she has been advised to get hold of a wireless N dongle and when she gets the laptop back I plan to test her connection over ethernet. Probably will also take my laptop there and test with that also. So in her case long story short I hit a 20mbit cap on G. Mine on N at 30mbit does get affected the speed is a bit shaky and occasionally dips if I speedtest but for the most part it can sustain 30mbit. My laptop ironically is a lower spec cpu and hdd than hers. But as it turns out I got a better wireless interface N vs G, the hdd is noticebly less sluggish even tho its smaller, and my graphics card doesnt steal any ram so they managed to give me one that has its own memory. Hers feels like they sorted the cpu out to improve the spec most people look at but the rest of it was built cheap. Both laptops fairly old, we got at the same time free with phone contracts. The difference been tho her bottlenecks are easier to solve, a dongle fixes the wireless and ram should sort out slow hdd grinding, whilst mine is a cpu limitation. |
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Yeah! After an email to the CEO's office and a short wait I'm having a brand new VMNG300 sent out. Great service by the chap there, none of this tiresome "Super Hub or nothing" drivel I've been fed before.
Going by said wait I'm guessing either more stock of the modem was found. Or more likely, some folks higher up the food chain have released that these 100Mb-capable bug-free boxes which already work flawlessly on the network are well worth keeping a supply of, to replace the woeful Super Hub for those customers who won't put up with the nonsense, and ordered some more. The best thing about this is, now I don't have to give a crap about whether or not bridge mode works, because the Super Hub is going back in it's box. Better still, I might just toss it into the sea. I'm not one to litter, but if any piece of junk deserves a watery grave it's that. :D |
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I have no idea. I was just doing some comedy riffing on the subject. ;)
Best CPE VM currently offers is the VMNG300. If you need faster than 20Mb, that's the one to go for. |
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probably more about wanting then needing :) but if the current super hub has bugs then maybe its best to wait before upgrading
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I would. The Ambit 250/256 you probably already have is a solid bit of kit. Mine's been going strong for about six years... we're talking terabytes of data moved.
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Remember that the CEO's office does not employ Harry Potter so they cannot supply what will no longer exist. |
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curious masque how do you know the stock level's and how do you know they wont order more if run out?
you dont, you simply guessing. Granted your manager will have told you the official line which is superhub's only but you dont work in retentions or the ceo office they have different rules to abide by than yourself. Given that only a tiny portion of VM's customer's will even know about the CEO office I dont think the requests for them will have been particurly high. |
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As I have said time and time again this modem was never on our systems for us to order as a replacement, so it was never a proper stock item. Do you really believe for one nanosecond that they would start to order a modem on the back of what is very few complaints especially as they are going forwards with the development of the Superhub. No one throws money away like that and the few VMNG300 modems that are making their way out to customers will be dwindling fast as the remaining stock is finite. |
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These will be 50Mb customer returns when they upgrade to 100Mb as they get the superhub for 100Mb
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VM have thrown a lot of money away on the superhub already, swapping out modems that didnt need swapping and replacing failing superhubs that have a high failure rate. On top of that having to source a new vendor as netgear have failed to impress. ---------- Post added at 08:50 ---------- Previous post was at 08:48 ---------- Quote:
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so how is a few people ordering them going to kill the stock?
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I will give you another chance to answer the question. Given the stock is increased with vmng300s been swapped out for superhubs how is it going to run out from a very few been given out by the ceo office? |
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So again, what is the basis of the claims that they about to run out, maybe 100mbit orders are really really poor and are less than modems been given out? |
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Just been on the phone talking to a colleague in London. After sorting out work related problems we got on to Virgin Media, he's just had a new TV/BB/Phone package installed. 30MB Broadband and was given the VMNG300 and a router.
Interestingly he also mentioned the TV picture is nowhere near as good as his Freeview picture! I really think the VM staff need to take the 'all views are my own ' out of their sigs most are clearly spouting VM policies when replying. |
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I happen to really like my VM package and have had no issues at all. |
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guys I am taking a time out from this forum for a bit I need to chill out. Will be back at some point in the future, enjoy yourselves.
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we dont doubt you that you dont have problems with your hub or service. But dont be so ignorant to other users who do have issues. Don't forget if you want to go by facts, there is the official company statement admitting to problems with the Hub.. Before this was released Virgin staff would typically say there is no problems with the Hub..Which we all knew to be lies and still is.. |
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Didn't you post somewhere on here that gaming is a no go for you? |
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Black ops BF2BC Cod 5 waw Cod 4 mw Mw2 Many members of the clan post here including one of the mods who hosted a lan at his house on a 20 meg modem with NO problems. Most members of the clan are on VM connections and i am sure they will tell you THEY have NO problems ether with the games i mention. I am not saying that SOME on here are not having problems but there are those on here who claim EVERYONE will have the problems with gaming and i feel that is wrong. To quote our news from the last lan found HERE Quote:
So before people automatically say that all will have a problem please put brain in gear before opening mouth and placing foot in it and remember not ALL will have a problem. ---------- Post added at 12:51 ---------- Previous post was at 12:47 ---------- Quote:
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Perhaps the PC versions of these games are not using P2P, it's the only way I can see that you're not having problems after all we ALL know VM throttle P2P traffic which most games use.
Or perhaps if you're a VM staff member you don't get throttled so you can go onto forums and tell everyone honestly that you're not having problems. Or perhaps some of the people not having problems are actually talking BS. |
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I have forgotten more about VM,s network than you will ever know. Most of the people posting in this thread are posting well balanced arguments, Tell me which class your think your post should be classed under The likes of pip, ignition and Chrysalis post well laid out posts that are good to read. They don't lower themselves to petty childish remarks like you have. As soon as people start to attack other posters with posts like yours the thrust of the tread is over because posts like yours just lowers the tone of what was a good thread. |
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I'm not an expert at all I know absolutely nothing about networks except for the fact that up until Oct/Nov last year I could play COD with no problems, now I can't. I've been with Telewest/VM for 12 years or so. Do you honestly think I'd be switching if I wasn't having problems? Like I said in a previous post there's about half a dozen of us that play COD and during a pint in the local a couple of weeks ago we decided to try other ISP's. But you're also missing the point I made about a colleague who had a VMNG300 installed last week!! And you're PMing me telling me to grow up!! When you post things like 'I know more than you, nah nah nah nah nah' |
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if someone ever sent me a PM in this regard, i wouldnt discuss it in a thread, unless it was asking for more information regarding content in the thread
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Thanks for the compliment though!:D |
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I tend to stay out of these threads because there are those who's posts i find stimulating and accurate and are a pleasure to debate with, Then there are those who basically have there foot in the mouth 24/7 and would not know a proper debate if it hit them in the arse :LOL: The problem you have here pip is that your for and against debate about this problem is being derailed by one or two because they prefer to just attack anyone who they don't agree with by getting personal. |
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The only difference is that I am on a staff package but still had to pay £30 for the 30Mb upgrade which was well worth the money in my eyes. |
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And based on my calls to tech support that is the response I got. i am also sure that is the response other people got as well. The fact still remains their are problems with the hub. I agree not all users are affected, but some are. Now please the people commenting that "my hub is fine" unless there is something constructive to say to help people who do have issues then please say nothing at all. That includes any virgin media staff who are being objective and somewhat ignorant to the issue at hand. Now that may not be you ~Sirus but please if you help then please do. Knowledge shared within the community especially those that are in somewhat of a position to help is better than not sharing and talking the stupid stance of "well mines is working" If I posted in a pc hardware section saying my windows 7 kept crashing you wouldnt post back "well mines is working" you would try to help. |
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The issues that the Superhubs suffers from on the minority of accounts does not affect the majority of Superhubs otherwise we would be overwhelmed with calls. The issues with firmware have not affected my connection which again sorry to say is fact, I have tried my Superhub with everything ticked and unticked in Services without any detrimental effect on my connection. At present I only have PPTP and IPSEC ticked plus I have an Edimax router connected in another room as a wireless gateway and I can access both the Superhub and Edimax networks. As I have already stated if I had an issue then I would be complaining until it was resolved as I am a customer first, but I would not run crying to the CEO's office until I had exhausted all other routes as I would expect better service from them if the correct process is followed. But strangely enough we have the Superhub haters moaning about posts giving balance to the complaints which is tough as I will continue to state that my connection is working without any issues and has been for the past 3 months. If you dislike my posts that state my Superhub is working fine well you could always try clicking the report post button in my posts but I know that the team would give such reports short shift as we need balance. |
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Who is the superhub haters? I like the ideas of the hub when it works.
Likewise it does work for many, glad we agree but it also doenst work for some too. Lets try and resolve the issues instead of scoring stupid points. I havent cried to the CEO, and im glad your hub does work but can you offer advise on my issue with the limit upload speed? |
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Either wait for the next firmware update which may (or may not) resolve the problem or contact the CEO's office and see if they have any VMNG300's left. Perhaps not the answer you were looking for but the only 2 options availabe ATM. |
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Someone posted on here the other day that their superhub had been updated and the minislot had changed from 1 to 4 and he was now able to get full upload. You could try a power cycle to see if you have the update
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I was in the firmware trial and that did seem to cure the ping issues but not the underlying stability issues. I accept that many users (probably the majority) have no problems at all, but for those of us that did it was a nightmare (and probably still is for the users experiencing the problems). I finally had my second superhub replaced with a VMNG300 and apart from some power issues following an audit of the street cabinate have had no problems since. My superhubs are now 'in stock' with the other VM/TW hardware I've collected over the years. There seems to be a 'duff batch' of superhubs out there, the same as the duff batch of Samsung V+ boxes (remember the 'stop' issue). I was unlucky to have two of the duffers, but would happily have the superhub again if I knew it would do the job it was designed to do. In the meantime, who was it who mentioned they were using their two superhubs as bookends, maybe they can earn their keep after all.... |
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I'll tell you what; those folks at the CEO office know their stuff. As promised, my new VMNG300 arrived today. The chap who had it mailed to me recommended calling the office directly rather than going the 151 route, so I did that and reached one of his colleagues who absolutely knew his stuff (we were swapping stories about our various tech projects outside of work) and had the MAC registered and going within a few minutes, with the speed boost from 20Mb -> 30Mb following about ten minutes later. No paying £30 here.
What an improvement: ping and jitter have been halved even compared to the reliable Ambit 250, partly because the household is now on the non-legacy network. Plus, my third-party router setup can remain the same rather than with the Super Hub, which never gelled well with any of it. I even offered to send the damn thing back, but the chap wisely recommended I hold onto it for now, just in case. I sent a name-checking letter of commendation to their line manager, I was so impressed. This is the service everyone should be getting! I'm pretty sure I'll be going up to 50Mb soon, as there's very little uptake of the DOCSIS3 network in my area, which ensures outstanding performance at almost all times. I'm off to set up a broadband monitor... :D |
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I don't understand how someone can have a bunch of forum trophies when they're repeatedly rude and dismissive to others. Just because you work for VM, doesn't give you the right to slap people down in this way. In fact, every action I've seen of yours recently actually reflects badly on the company. It's disappointing. |
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