Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

No because Newcastle weren't any points in front IIRC, they had already blown it, if anything made them feel preasure it was the fact United were winning games, booger all to do with any mind games.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

It proves my point that someone tried take on SAF with mind games and blew it. Has happened many many times and no doubt will continue to do so.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

I think it proves more that they are über hyped and completely irrelevant...

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

I actually agree, i think the whole 'mind games' thing is a load of rubbish, for me they just add a bit a fun to press conferences, watching managers try and get one over Ferguson and in Keegans case falling flat on his face.

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That's all I've said it is - except in Rafa's case I believe his rants had a major negative affect on his team.

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Fat chance. You tapped him and now you're stuck with him. Although frp, BBC rumours:

I can't think who'd pay £30m on him except Citeh. I doubt Man Yoo would want to lose face by being seen to be taking a quick loss on him. Maybe go to the Germany where the play is slower or perhaps Spain. Ita funny though everyone said he was lazy due to Spurs' laxidaisical management style and that a "proper" manager like Fergie would sort him out. Clearly didn't. He's probably not the only ego that will be coming down a notch or two.

Some of the Spurs ITKs

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We took him because he was the only real prospect with time running out. Turns out there wasn't such a hurry after all. Totally ineffective. There's no way we'll recoup the money so a loss is going to be the only way and I can see a drop of 50% on his price. I have a feeling SAF may give Donkey Dimitar until Christmas, if he fails to remind anyone he's on the pitch then I expect him to be gone in the january window or at least have his replacement ready.

Speaking of which, Karem Benzema is looking interesting.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Give Berbatov another season, before passing judgement, I'd say. Andy Cole struggled in his first full season, let's not forget that.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

That is complete tosh and you know it is.

You are the one who is making this mind games thing a big issue, it is a load of bullocks quite frankly.

What did fergy take 6 years to do that Rafa achieved in 1 ?

How many trophies did fergy win in his first nine years compared to paisley?

And finally, how long had united gone before winning the league?

So please dont proclaim fergy as some kind of genius, genius is when you can work wonders with limited funds and limited support.

And sorry to say it, as a born and bred 'pool fan united are and always will be in our shadows.

Just to bury this " rant " crap.


Pre rant
P 20 W 13 D 6 L 1 F 35 A 13 Pts 45 GD 22
Win rate of 65%


Post Rant
P 16 W 10 D 5 L 1 F 37 A 13 Pts 35 GD 24
Win rate of 63%


Pre " Rant " Liverpool had played 4 more games so the idea that his " rant " had a negative effect is not bourn out at all.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Now whos falling for mind games

:D:D:D


Stop with the in your shadow crap , its just not true anymore.


Delusion

–noun
3. a false belief or opinion


All sorted now

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

I think I shall email the webmasters of dictionary.com and offer them the link to your post to replace their versions of "delusional" and "owned".

Just accept the fact that yet again your team won nothing.

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What a peice of crap yesterdays game was :) I make no excuses we were simply beat. After the first goal chelsea just seemed to have the ball all the time. Was expecting a bit more from the game tbh but it was ok. Hope we can get a full fit squad again soon :)

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Gutted for you mate, have to agree tho - the fight was over in the first 5 minutes!

Hopefully Merseyside teams being back at Wembley is a sign for the future :)

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would like you to quote the results following the rant (right after think there was lots of draws involved :) )thats when it went pear shaped , if you don't see that then fine but it put pressure on the liverpoo team , Rafa Beneathus should have kept his gob shut ;) , forget the past fella , live for the present , Forget the funds , read the amout spent over the past 10 years utd vs lpoo is about 10 million difference , the main difference being lpoo have bought mediocre player rather than world class !! . If Fergy had been your manager you would think him a genius , again if you don't see that then fine, its my opinion.
i see the livpoo vs utd argument all the time in my place of work , unfortunatley apart from Barcelona winning the champions league (amazing how many lpoo fans support Barca ) you have absolutely NOTHING to crow about , you hold on to the 'next year its ours ' you have been doing for so many years i have lost count , amazing how last time you came close you came 4th in a three horse race ,so thanks for your 5 minutes but until your a recent successful club forget it :) .

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

I suggest you open your deluded eyes and you will see that I did quote the teams form after the so called " rant "

For years United were mediocre, I notice Russ never answered the questions I put to him.

You talk about Liverpool fans supporting Barcelona, ffs if Liverpool had been beaten in the final the Glory Hunting United Supporters would have been rubbing their prawn sandwich eating hands in Glee, so do not give me that crap!

Just to finish, where does buying your so called class players put your bank balance? ffs Rooney vs Torres? When the debt collectors call in the loans and all uniteds top earners have to be sold to fund the club the real supporters will emerge, not your supporters who decided in 1992 that Football had arrived.

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I didn't answer them because you're starting to embarrass yourself now with your rant, perhaps influenced by Rafa? I see similarities.

You want to talk about the past? Fair enough, as that's where Liverpool's success is.

And you speak as if United are the only team who borrowed to pay for players. But you're taking delusion to new levels if you think United will ever have to sell the top players to get by. There will always be someone wanting to invest in the world's biggest club.

I love your last comment. No, there aren't any Liverpool supporters that 'joined up' during their 70s and 80s heyday are there?

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This is worrying.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/8076867.stm

Martinez is loyal to us but Celtic are closer to European football than Swansea :(

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

I'm glad you pointed that out. A lot of Liverpool fans in their late 20s/early30s I know started following/supporting them after the team's dominance of the 80s. They are very quick to bandy the term glory hunters when talking about Man U fans, even calling Chelsea fans glory hunters too, but I'd be confident on putting a bet on them supporting another club if Liverpool weren't so good in the 80s.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Every team has glory hunters, the reason scousers point it out with United fans is their glory hunters were long established before United took over in the 90s.

Around 2001, Arsenal were suddenly the team to follow. When Roman came along suddenly Chelsea fans were everywhere.

Each of the top 4 has glory hunters and claiming one has any more than the other is unsubstanciated rubbish.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

I think it's clear United have a lot more though, I live near London and of the people I know the United to Arsenal fan ratio is about equal. Hardly any Liverpool Supporters though, only know of two and one of them is from Liverpool.

I doubt there are legions of Arsenal fans up north to the extent that United fans exist everywhere.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

It's only clear as you live where you do - in South Wales there are leigons of 30 and 40 something Liverpool supporters. A lot to do with Ian Rush as well. Funny how they didn't switch alliegence to Juventus when he went there.

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Exactly, they always go for the champs, in the '80's United had no fans at my school yet Liverpool had hundreds...

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Well fair enough I do only have anecdotal evidence to support it, I live around my own age group though which would be too young to be around during the Liverpool years and were around during the United treble win. My year at school contained an enoumous amount of United supporters, I mean they formed a easy majority. Followed by West Ham supports and Spurs supporters (many Spurs supporters miffed that their friends were suddenly 'United supporters') and a few Arsenal fans.

Arsenal and Chelsea have never had a massive peroid of dominance though so I imagine there are less glory hunters (although there are still a lot, see my story about how difficult it became to get tickets for Highbury after the first double win!).

This is not a negative reflection on United or their geniune fans though.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

although I don't stop them and ask when I drive up to OT from London you see loads of Liverpool fans etc going up North too.

Also a lot of Arsenal , Chelsea fans don't live anywhere near the ground but live in Kent, Hertfordshire etc anyway, loads of Chelsea fans live in Mitcham but none of them support Tooting and Mithcam, or Fulham they go for the bigger clubs instead

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Course they don't but then you don't find many football fans full stop around Kensington and Westminster...

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

If it was a Liverpool vs Barcelona final...who do you think the United fans would support?

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Football is a game of double standards.

If it was an international final, and England were playing but I was rooting for whoever they were against, I'd get "you're just bitter, why can't you be happy that a home nation might win a trophy" whereas if it's Man United v Barca (or whoever) all the Scousers suddenly are Spanish. It's the same for rugby too.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Aye, I just don't see why people moan about the scousers doing it, yet they would do the same thing if the situation was reversed.

In a way, I wanted both teams to win. United because they're English, and I'd rather at least an English team win. But also Barcelona, because I like them, and United (and supporters) often annoy me. :P

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Irrespective of who l would support, but if Cheslea were playing Man Utd, l would only watch the game, after finding out who the ref was, if it was a weak one, then it would be a Utd win, if it was a tough one l would go for Chelsea.

And personnally, l cannot stand either of them, both clubs think they run football, Chelsea with that Russian geezer, who ruins football with mad transfer fee's and Man Utd with Fergie, who thinks he runs the PL.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

When i said directly after , i meant directly after , not all the remaining fixtures :erm:. DIRECTLY after Rafa's 'rant' Liverpoo drew games with Stoke (lol) , Everton (twice but one in the FA cup before you got knocked out by them) , and Wigan. Had rafa not got too carried away with previous results (being 7 points clear of United at the time although they did have 2 games in hand) by the time you hit February you were two points behind united and they still had a game in hand , so in less than a month it was game over for Liverpool.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Actually no.


Wouldnt even have watched it . or cared.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Bulkylad, do I need to insult intelligence?

Do you know what " PRE " AND " PRO " Means ?

Dont bother replying :rolleyes:

Heard some good news this morning, Owen Hargreaves, almost forgot he was still around, has cost united £1.9 million per game.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

I guess when a team wins nothing yet again all that's left to look forward to is others' misfortune :spin:

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

...again with the statistics ;) :D

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Your not getting my point , do You lack intelligence ??? , just because the stats show little difference pre and post rant does not mean it didn't have an effect. What i am suggesting to you is that just before Rafa opened his big fat spanish waiter mouth Liverpool were flying (and he knew it) , he tried to get a reaction from Fergie to no avail instead putting pressure on his team due to media pressure , he blew the papers into overdrive and with the next result being a draw at Stoke (lol) it put more and more pressure on Liverpool to perform because the manager had just made a complete idiot of himself.
ahh yes Owen Hargreaves , isn't he the one that is currently more successful domestically than any of the Liverpool team (lets not bring it down to FA cups now :dozey: ):D

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Clutching . At . Straws

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Just how much did Keane cost Liverpool on a per game basis?

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Working on a 19 million transfer fee, 1 million quid a game. However, if you look at the other way, he also cost them 3.8 million quid a goal... For a striker...

;)

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

And thats assuming he played 19 games right?

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Yeah - that's what Wiki says anyway :)

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Yeah but that's different though.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Liverpool have sold him for exactly the same cash as they bought him for if you take the add on's into account so I'd say it's very different. If only you could get anything like a similar deal for Berbatov....

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

I think someone needs to check their maths on the Hargreaves stat. According to wikipedia he's played 37 matches for us and cost £17million. I don't know how that equals £1.9million a game?

Hopefully he will be back next season with the problems with his knees gone for good, although i did hear he had a setback and won't be back until the new year.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

physio room is still reporting return date of 30th june

Cant find anything on t'internet to suggest otherwise.

Re: Football : Season 08/09
 

Season's over, all the fun and games is now at http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/88...l#post34806411 :)