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Stuart 19-09-2012 13:24

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Well, got my brand spanking new iPhone 5 ordered. T Mobile full monty. Actually, the contract I was on with O2 only costs a fiver less each month, and doesn't offer anywhere near what Full Monty offers in terms of minutes, text and data. So, I probably would have changed anyway..

Just have to hope it doesn't take too long after Friday to arrive.

AndyCambs 19-09-2012 13:37

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No iOs6 yet...

ToonEll 19-09-2012 13:38

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6pm UK time I read somewhere on the net.

Stuart 19-09-2012 13:39

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That'll probably appear around 6 or 7pm. Apple tend to release major iOS upgrades at the start of their working day, and they are 8 hours behind us.

Vieil Homme 19-09-2012 14:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35475612)
Tomorrow.

Can you have a word with Apple as its telling me lies saying my version 5.1.1 is current :D

Dam just seen Stuarts post :)

Russ 19-09-2012 14:53

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Read up...

LSainsbury 19-09-2012 15:53

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Just over 3 hours to go...

Russ 19-09-2012 17:16

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....until the internet crashes...

Stuart 19-09-2012 17:24

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Looks like it's due for release at 10am Pacific Time which translates to 6pm BST..

http://absinthejailbreak.org/ios-6-r...ties-timezone/

Vieil Homme 19-09-2012 17:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35475945)
Looks like it's due for release at 10am Pacific Time which translates to 6pm BST..

http://absinthejailbreak.org/ios-6-r...ties-timezone/

Great info but did you see one question:
Quote:

can IOS6 can be jaiLbreaked ???
The cheaky Expletive removed :p:

RB2004 19-09-2012 17:44

I've just installed iOS6

It's good :)

I like there is now a mode called do not disturb lol under settings

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/09/28.jpg

It's been floating around for a few days already.

If anything like last time a big update came out was anything to go by its worth doing it early or late because last time while world tried to update at same time and it overloaded apples servers.. Was taking like 6 hours to download and when it came to install it was showing errors because iTunes couldn't communicate with apple servers.

Nightmare

qasdfdsaq 19-09-2012 17:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35474054)
it does not look at all the same as the original, the 3G, or the 3GS.

The "black rectangle with rounded corners" lawyers might not agree with that...

Stuart 19-09-2012 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RB2004 (Post 35475961)
I've just installed iOS6

It's good :)

I like there is now a mode called do not disturb lol under settings

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/09/28.jpg

It's been floating around for a few days already.

If anything like last time a big update came out was anything to go by its worth doing it early or late because last time while world tried to update at same time and it overloaded apples servers.. Was taking like 6 hours to download and when it came to install it was showing errors because iTunes couldn't communicate with apple servers.

Nightmare

You sure? The only officially available downloads (and being a registered developer, I have access to them) are the various betas and the GM. Now the final version of 6.0 has been released, you can expect these to expire in the next 2 weeks.

RB2004 19-09-2012 18:36

It's a golden master.

The betas aren't always usable because they validate the phone against your account.

Golden master is the same as they have been preloading on the iPhone 5 coming out the factory, albeit a different variant.

But I'm not bothered if it does expire because by that time the apple servers will be back to normal.

I just didn't want a repeat of before.
Have a reasonably fast connection and it was telling me 9 hours to download then when I did it wouldn't install because the validation portion wouldn't connect with apple servers.

Really frustrating lol

Stuart 19-09-2012 19:02

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Fair enough. The reason I put the warning is simply that I know of cases where people have tried the betas (even a GM, IIRC) and it's expired when they are in a situation where they need a phone and are no where near a computer they can use to unbrick the phone.

Russ 19-09-2012 19:15

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Thar she blows!!

---------- Post added at 18:15 ---------- Previous post was at 18:13 ----------

....2 hours remaining?!

Vieil Homme 19-09-2012 19:16

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Just starting mine on a 30Gb connection now reporting 33 sec to download software....yes I know it has to install...


18:24 iPhone re-booting..all done and setting-up the cloud.....


18:28 all done and working..theres cool :D

Also just noticed I'm no longer with T-Mobile but EE.....

18:51 has handed back from iTunes..free and single now do it all again with the iPad :)

Russ 19-09-2012 19:26

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30gb?!

Less than a minute left on a 10mb pipe...

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....and it's just jumped up to 5 minutes...whoop-de-doo...

Tezcatlipoca 19-09-2012 19:48

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Agh. My phone doesn't have enough space! It needs 2.5GB to unpack the OTA update.

muppetman11 19-09-2012 20:39

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Safari seems lightning quick under iOS 6 on my 4S very happy :)

Vieil Homme 19-09-2012 20:43

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Anybody know about OS 6 on the iPad I thought it was going to have Siri with the update????

Stuart 19-09-2012 20:46

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3rd gen ipad only, I'm afraid.

wwe 19-09-2012 20:50

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Going to try do mine now just wanted to double check I've backed my iPhone 1st. When I go on iTunes on pc and go to device backups it just has 1 from today is that right? As I've backed it up plenty of orther times? So does it delete the old 1 when u add a new 1?

Stuart 19-09-2012 20:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wwe (Post 35476050)
Going to try do mine now just wanted to double check I've backed my iPhone 1st. When I go on iTunes on pc and go to device backups it just has 1 from today is that right? As I've backed it up plenty of orther times? So does it delete the old 1 when u add a new 1?

iTunes should offer to back the phone up anyway, and it allows you to store as many backups as you have disk space for. At least if you let it back up to your local computer. I think iCloud is limited to one backup.

wwe 19-09-2012 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35476052)
iTunes should offer to back the phone up anyway, and it allows you to store as many backups as you have disk space for. At least if you let it back up to your local computer. I think iCloud is limited to one backup.

Thanks I allways backed it up to my labtop as iCloud kept saying it was full. Wounder why it only backed it up once as my labtop got plenty of space. Just don't want to lose everything befor I do the update

Russ 19-09-2012 21:37

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I'm liking the new satnav! And Siri actually finds things now!

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When you play music on it, the slider for the volume has a virtual 'button' and if you tilt the phone, the 'reflection' of light on it moves as if it really was made of shiny metal :D

wwe 19-09-2012 23:35

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I've got the update all works fine. Siri is so much better does loads more now. How does passbook work? As doesn't seem to do anything?

Russ 19-09-2012 23:39

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There aren't any apps for it yet so if you try to use it it should just say it can't connect to the App Store. But there will be some in the coming weeks.

Vieil Homme 19-09-2012 23:42

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Just asked Siri to tell me a joke to see if they have got any better: How Many iPhones does it take to..Oh never mind :D

There is also an update for your Mac if you have one running Mountain Lion it takes you to 10.8.2 contains loads of bug and fixes.

wwe 20-09-2012 01:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35476109)
There aren't any apps for it yet so if you try to use it it should just say it can't connect to the App Store. But there will be some in the coming weeks.

Thanks yer that's what it saids.

AndyCambs 20-09-2012 08:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35476109)
There aren't any apps for it yet so if you try to use it it should just say it can't connect to the App Store. But there will be some in the coming weeks.

I see one for Lufthansa in the App store

Russ 20-09-2012 09:41

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Apparently this is an ios6 bug. If you really want it to work, go in to Settings and change the date to 2013. We await the fix...

Chris 20-09-2012 11:48

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I'm not mad keen on the idea of the Apple Maps app, which I have seen some less-than-favourable comments about (inaccurate placing of stuff, roads missing, etc). So far, also, there appears to be no iPad-optimised YouTube app in the app store. At the moment I think I'm better sticking with iOS 5.1, unless iOS 6 offers any dramatic performance improvements on the original iPad. Has anyone put iOS 6 on an iPad 1 yet? How did it work out?

Tezcatlipoca 20-09-2012 14:42

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Ah. Slight issue there... iOS6 is not available for the iPad 1 :erm:

http://www.apple.com/uk/ios/whats-new/

iOS6 is compatible with...

iPhone 3GS onwards

iPod Touch (4th generation) onwards

iPad 2 onwards

Russ 20-09-2012 14:46

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Have a road-trip planned in the next few days to work a wrestling show in the north of England and was planning on using the Apple satnav instead of the Copilot that I paid for.

Not so sure now. Especially after reading the Viz Top Tips facebook status just now...

Quote:

RELIVE the pioneering spirit of Columbus and Raleigh by using Apple's new maps app to get around
:disturbd:

peanut 20-09-2012 17:06

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I won't be bothering to update my ipad 2 (jailbroken) any time soon. I don't see the point in why people want the latest when the differences aren't that great. If I do update it'll be when it's a lot more tried / tested and updated to work properly. And obviously when there is an untethered jailbreak for it, if it doesn't happen then I'll happily stick with 5.1.

From watching the BBCs report on the maps, it doesn't sound all too good. No streetview either.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19664578

Stephen 20-09-2012 17:08

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Apples own map app has already recieved a huge amount of coverage, but for all the wrong reasons. Poor satellite imagery, places being spelled wrong and places missing or in the wrong place.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736

http://www.informationweek.com/mobil...lops/240007656
Quote:

Anil Dash, a respected blogger and director of technology incubator Expert Labs, slams Apple's new Maps app as being inferior to the Google-powered Maps app in iOS 5 and earlier. "When you buy an iOS 6 device, you get a worse experience for search and no ability to get transit directions out of the box, both of which are significant downgrades from iOS 5," he wrote in a lengthy blog post on Wednesday.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_1899603.html

There is a way to sort of get Google maps back.

Go to Safari and visit maps.google.co.uk and click yes to find my location and then from the bar at the top click add to home screen. You will then have a nice little shortcut to the web app ;)

Chris 20-09-2012 17:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35476265)
Ah. Slight issue there... iOS6 is not available for the iPad 1 :erm:

http://www.apple.com/uk/ios/whats-new/

iOS6 is compatible with...

iPhone 3GS onwards

iPod Touch (4th generation) onwards

iPad 2 onwards

Suits me - my iPad does everything I want it to already.

Uncle Peter 21-09-2012 12:08

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Is there any great disadvantage in running Google maps through Safari vs a dedicated app?

Russ 21-09-2012 12:15

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Other than it needs a data connection and runs a little slower, not really.

Uncle Peter 21-09-2012 12:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35476570)
Other than it needs a data connection and runs a little slower, not really.

OK I get how it works now. I was trying to work out why so many people were hacked off about the Apple maps debacle but didn't realise that you didn't need a data connection for the native application.

Russ 21-09-2012 12:28

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If you just want to have a look around on the maps, the original Google Maps app didn't need a data connection unless you were looking for a business or more specific information.

Vieil Homme 21-09-2012 13:04

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I know it may seem to be a silly question but as I have a bus pass it can only get worse. :confused: On the settings of the iPhone, General, Data Roaming should this be on or off while in the UK?

I have had it in the off position and it does not seem to stop any data getting through as far as I know, so is it needed and does it use more power when on??

When in say over in France I would make sure it is in the off position along with the Cellular data switch.

Russ 21-09-2012 13:28

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If you have Data Roaming switched off then it means if you go outside the UK you won't use that country's data signal, thereby preventing high data charges.

If like myself you don't go outside the UK then it won't make difference which setting you have it on.

Lew 21-09-2012 15:22

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http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com

I think Russ will think twice about crossing the Severn Bridge in future… :rofl:

Tezcatlipoca 21-09-2012 19:27

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...09/1.jpg:large

Uncle Peter 21-09-2012 19:30

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Apple Stores are probably sick of people taking the P, ringing up and asking for directions to the shop ;)

Vieil Homme 21-09-2012 20:09

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On a good point have you tried the camera on panoramic the shots come out at 17 Mb you do need good light but its dead cool and easy

Vieil Homme 22-09-2012 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35476593)
If you have Data Roaming switched off then it means if you go outside the UK you won't use that country's data signal, thereby preventing high data charges.

If like myself you don't go outside the UK then it won't make difference which setting you have it on.

So had better have it off then :D

Jameseh 22-09-2012 17:47

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I wonder if Apple will be on the (i)phone to Microsoft & Nokia for some help with maps.

Vieil Homme 22-09-2012 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35476936)
I wonder if Apple will be on the (i)phone to Microsoft & Nokia for some help with maps.

I think when Microsoft first did their maps they were also wrong in places. Mind you I would love it if Apple did move Luton next to Exeter and we could have open fields were Luton was :D

Peter_ 22-09-2012 21:41

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/09/16.jpg



Uncle Peter 22-09-2012 22:51

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Despite the Apple Maps issues is it worth updating to ios6? I've just invested in one of these 3rd gen iPads (I were expectin' an iPatch but the scabby land lubbers gave me one of these isntead, arrr!)

It has 5.1 loaded at the moment so not sure whether or not to do the software update.

Vieil Homme 22-09-2012 23:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35477019)
Despite the Apple Maps issues is it worth updating to ios6? I've just invested in one of these 3rd gen iPads (I were expectin' an iPatch but the scabby land lubbers gave me one of these isntead, arrr!)

It has 5.1 loaded at the moment so not sure whether or not to do the software update.

Sorry old boy should it not be: Despite t' Apple Maps issues be it worth updatin' t' ios6? I've just invested in one o' these 3rd gen iPads (I were expectin' an iPatch but t' scabby land lubbers gave me one o' these isntead, arrr!)"

"T' iPad 3 should work better with Os 6" or my names not Black Beard arrr! :p:

Uncle Peter 22-09-2012 23:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vieil Homme (Post 35477022)
Sorry old boy should it not be: Despite t' Apple Maps issues be it worth updatin' t' ios6? I've just invested in one o' these 3rd gen iPads (I were expectin' an iPatch but t' scabby land lubbers gave me one o' these isntead, arrr!)"

"T' iPad 3 should work better with Os 6" or my names not Black Beard arrr! :p:

Reckon I might walk the plank and take the plunge then and have a good laugh at them thar maps. As long as I can find the silver train for a plunderin' before it reaches port the jobs a good 'un.

Vieil Homme 22-09-2012 23:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35477025)
Reckon I might walk the plank and take the plunge then and have a good laugh at them thar maps. As long as I can find the silver train for a plunderin' before it reaches port the jobs a good 'un.

Just some advise if you do use t' maps on OS6 don't use it if you want t' goto Luton or you will end up in Exeter :p:

Uncle Peter 22-09-2012 23:32

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Everytime I've been to Luton I have wished I was somewhere else so it's really not a problem!

Tezcatlipoca 22-09-2012 23:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35477019)
Despite the Apple Maps issues is it worth updating to ios6? I've just invested in one of these 3rd gen iPads (I were expectin' an iPatch but the scabby land lubbers gave me one of these isntead, arrr!)

It has 5.1 loaded at the moment so not sure whether or not to do the software update.

Yes, IMO it's worth it (unless you *need* the features of Google Maps that Apple Maps doesn't have).

Siri is vastly improved, and could actually be considered very useful now, instead of just a gimmick as it was when first released on the iPhone 4S.

Safari & Mail have been improved, and the Facebook integration is handy if you like that sort of thing.

One other thing to consider, as well as the Maps, is that iOS 6 does not contain the YouTube app present in all previous versions of iOS.

That is not such an issue for the iPhone, as Google has already released a separate YouTube app... one that is vastly superior to the now-removed in-built app.

But the iPad version is not ready yet, so if you want to use YouTube on the iPad you'll need to use the website instead. Still, using YouTube via the browser is generally a hell of a lot better than the crappy old Apple-controlled YouTube app anyway.


My wife relies on Google Maps a lot, so is holding off on iOS 6 for now on her iPhone and iPad. Me? I'm not fussed about it. I agree that Apple Maps is inferior to Google Maps, but it's not a deal-breaker for me.

Vieil Homme 23-09-2012 13:34

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Detailed info of iPhone 5 front glass lens LINK they have advanced it quite a lot.

Hugh 25-09-2012 22:55

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An iPhone user walks into a bar, or it could be a hotel, or a field. He's not too sure

Peter_ 26-09-2012 07:31

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When you receive your iPhone 5 try calling your provider to enquire if it will work with 4G you may be in for an unpleasant surprise.

jb66 26-09-2012 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35477975)
When you receive your iPhone 5 try calling your provider to enquire if it will work with 4G you may be in for an unpleasant surprise.

4gs a gimmick, they do t give us full 3G speed as it is

Stephen 26-09-2012 12:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35478016)
4gs a gimmick, they do t give us full 3G speed as it is

Who doesn't? I get fantastic 3G/HSDPA+ speeds from my phone and my Mobile BB providers.

Its not a gimmic, depending on where you are 4G can give up to 100Mb speeds.

jb66 26-09-2012 13:01

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virgin cap at 1.8meg as confirmed by ceo office

dilli-theclaw 26-09-2012 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35478068)
virgin cap at 1.8meg as confirmed by ceo office

Virgin mobile cap download at 1.8meg?

When?

jb66 26-09-2012 16:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701 (Post 35478121)
Virgin mobile cap download at 1.8meg?

When?

All the time, it's crap

dilli-theclaw 26-09-2012 16:24

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It's currently going at 4.7 on my phone. But only as I'm not getting all that good a signal at the moment - its usually faster.

Russ 26-09-2012 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35478068)
virgin cap at 1.8meg as confirmed by ceo office

Link?

jb66 26-09-2012 16:40

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i dont have a link as it was an email from ceo office

---------- Post added at 15:40 ---------- Previous post was at 15:36 ----------

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...e/td-p/1463748

Stephen 26-09-2012 23:28

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My S3 is deffo running faster than 1.8Mb. Especially since the H+ started last year.

Tezcatlipoca 26-09-2012 23:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35477975)
When you receive your iPhone 5 try calling your provider to enquire if it will work with 4G you may be in for an unpleasant surprise.

I doubt it would be much of a surprise.

The fact that the iPhone 5's "4G" (LTE) will only work in the UK with EE (& eventually Three, in a year) has been very widely publicised.


If only a certain network had not wasted so much time taking legal action against Ofcom to delay the 4G auction, the UK may have actually had 4G by now, and Apple would have given us an iPhone that used well developed bands...

jb66 27-09-2012 00:19

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I still can't get over 1.8, if it wasn't for a staff deal I'd be away from virgin

Peter_ 27-09-2012 07:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35478306)
I doubt it would be much of a surprise.

People expect it to work on 4G and many will be shocked that it will not.

Chris 27-09-2012 11:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35478360)
People expect it to work on 4G and many will be shocked that it will not.

I would have thought, with 4G being so new (and still unadvertised by any UK service provider, including EE, unless i've missed something very recent), that anyone considering using a 4G service would have taken the trouble to check its availability, and would therefore know that there isn't any.

Tezcatlipoca 27-09-2012 19:41

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Indeed.

I doubt that very many people would be "surprised" or "shocked" about 4G on the iPhone 5.

As mentioned earlier, it has been *widely* reported as only having 4G LTE compatibility with EE in the UK. It's not just the tech sites that have had stories on this, even the BBC and other mainstream media have done so too.

Also, O2, Vodafone, and Three have made no mention of the iPhone 5 being 4G or LTE compatible. They simply mention e.g. "super-fast wireless" and HSPA+ etc.

T-Mobile, Orange, and EE have advertised the iPhone 5 as being 4G LTE compatible, and specifically said that it would require 4G coverage with EE, and a 4G tariff with EE, once EE launches later in the year.

Peter_ 27-09-2012 21:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35478415)
I would have thought, with 4G being so new (and still unadvertised by any UK service provider, including EE, unless i've missed something very recent), that anyone considering using a 4G service would have taken the trouble to check its availability, and would therefore know that there isn't any.

Talking about being futureproof and the frequencies most providers will get will not be compatible with this device.

Jameseh 27-09-2012 22:14

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I doubt they will even on the iPhone 6. Apple won't make a variant just for o2 and Vodaphone UK.

Tezcatlipoca 28-09-2012 01:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35478597)
Talking about being futureproof and the frequencies most providers will get will not be compatible with this device.

Other than EE (which does support the iPhone 5's 4G LTE), we won't have 4G LTE in the UK for another year or more, by which time there'll be an iPhone 5S that presumably will support the bands being auctioned by Ofcom (unless of course the roll-out is delayed yet again...).

It's not Apple's fault that the UK currently has no 4G LTE. Apple can't support every possible band (there are quite a few in the LTE standard!), and there's no point supporting bands that currently have zero use and will continue to have zero use for the near future.

Unlike the situation with the "4G" iPad 3, Apple is not to blame for this situation.

It has made it abundantly clear, from its iPhone 5 media event through to its own website, that the iPhone 5's 4G LTE will only work in the UK on the upcoming EE network.

The media has also made this clear, via news stories from the BBC, the national press, and various tech sites and mainstream sites.

And the networks have made it clear, given that only EE / Orange / T-Mobile have made any mention of 4G LTE with the iPhone 5 and all the other networks have kept quiet about it.

I do not see many people being "surprised" or "shocked" about the 4G LTE situation given that no UK network currently even has 4G LTE, and the only one that even mentions it in relation to the iPhone 5 is Everything Everywhere (Orange / T-Mobile / EE).

If you do want to blame someone, from what I have read the primary blame allegedly lies with O2 for delaying the 4G auction by taking repeated legal action against Ofcom.

As such, it amuses me that O2 is now saying that it wants its 4G services running "as quickly as possible".

It also amuses me that O2 is apparently unhappy with EE being allowed by Ofcom to re-farm its 1800MHz spectrum for 4G LTE, given that:

1) The other networks could also have asked Ofcom for permission to re-farm existing spectrum for 4G LTE.

2) O2 itself benefitted from Ofcom allowing it to re-farm its own 900MHz spectrum for 3G.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19586067

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/26/2_6ghz_battle/

http://www.itpro.co.uk/634114/update...ion-is-illegal

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...7&postcount=23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35478603)
I doubt they will even on the iPhone 6. Apple won't make a variant just for o2 and Vodaphone UK.

Actually, I don't think that that would be so implausible.

Apple made a version of the iPhone 4 specifically for the Verizon network in the US (which uses the CDMA2000 system, rather than GSM/UMTS). It also has two versions of the iPhone 5 in North America: One GSM/UMTS model that supports the LTE bands used by AT&T in the US and also three networks in Canada, and one CDMA2000 model that supports the LTE bands used by Verizon and Sprint in the US.

So, if there was a sufficient market for an iPhone that worked on another set of LTE bands in Europe, in addition to the bands supported by the current European iPhone 5, then... why not?

Jameseh 28-09-2012 11:46

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Verizon and Sprint are in another league, # of customers wise, to O2 and Vodaphone. Most of Europe already uses 1800 too.

Also, doesn't the CDMA version do China as well?

Tezcatlipoca 28-09-2012 14:22

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The only country in Europe that will have 4G LTE with the iPhone 5 other than the UK (with EE) is Germany (Deutsche Telekom).

It may be that most of Europe uses 1800MHz, but not for 4G LTE.


You have a point about number of customers, lol.

Jameseh 28-09-2012 14:46

Re: The iPhone thread
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

Based on that at least 14 European countries use 1800 for LTE, though I have no idea whether those networks offer the iPhone.

Regardless, I can't afford one. :(

Cobbydaler 28-09-2012 22:32

Re: The iPhone thread
 
Apple apologise for maps fiasco...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19760978

Tezcatlipoca 29-09-2012 03:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35478822)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

Based on that at least 14 European countries use 1800 for LTE, though I have no idea whether those networks offer the iPhone.

Regardless, I can't afford one. :(

Ah. I checked a different list on Wiki that covered the bands and mentioned far fewer networks in Europe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35479015)
Apple apologise for maps fiasco...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19760978


Very surprising. Good move by Tim Cook, though. Steve Jobs would have just told us to shut up and deal with it! ;)

Peter_ 29-09-2012 10:38

Re: The iPhone thread
 
An apology does not really cut it if you were able to rely on the maps in the previous versions, but still it is quite amusing.

Russ 29-09-2012 11:14

Re: The iPhone thread
 
It's no big deal - Google maps through the browser works just as well.

Peter_ 29-09-2012 11:56

Re: The iPhone thread
 
I use a Nokia N8 so just use OVI maps when required and it just works.

Russ 29-09-2012 12:12

Re: The iPhone thread
 
I used to use that, it was pretty good but out of all the free satnavs I still say Google Navigation is the best.

Tezcatlipoca 29-09-2012 15:52

Re: The iPhone thread
 
Having tried out Apple Maps some more... it really is awful :(

Oh sure, streets and roads are fine, and it has turn-by-turn, etc. etc., but... So many points of interest (POIs) are completely wrong. Some are in the wrong place, some ceased to exist years ago, and some are not listed at all and so do not even show up in a search :rolleyes: No use having turn-by-turn or a search function if it doesn't find the location you want, or it does find it but takes you to the wrong place.

I've tried it out for a few locations here in Cambridge. I've used it to check out areas I'm particularly familiar with, pubs, my walk to work, and so on.

Just on my walk to work there are several errors: Pubs are on the wrong side of the road, McDonald's is on the wrong side of a roundabout, a B&B is on the wrong block completely, an Indian restaurant that closed down five years ago is still shown, a branch of MFI that ceased to exist when MFI went into administration in 2008 is still shown...

I was out on Thursday night at a popular local pub that has been around for years in the same location: Google Maps has it in the correct location, while Apple Maps has it at the other end of the road and round a corner, while a different pub is shown in its place instead of on the opposite side of the road as it is in reality.

Mrs D and I went to London yesterday for my birthday. She took me to see the stage version of War Horse (which is excellent btw).

War Horse was at the New London Theatre in Drury Lane, not far from Covent Garden. The theatre opened in 1973, and according to Wikipedia is well known for Cats, which premiered there in 1981 and ran for 21 years. It's not some random little back-alley theatre that no one has heard of.

While in Covent Garden, I tested both Apple Maps and (via the web app) Google Maps.

I searched for "New London Theatre", and Apple Maps gave me a theatre in New London, Connecticut, USA.

I tried again, with "The New London Theatre". Apple Maps found nothing. I tried again with "New London Theatre London", and it gave me a location in New London, New Hampshire, USA. I tried "New London Theatre Drury Lane", and it gave me Drury Ln, New London, New Hampshire, USA. I tried "New London Theatre England", "New London Theatre UK"... all returned no results.

Mrs D suggested I try some other well-known theatres in the West End's "Theatreland".

"Savoy Theatre" gave me a theatre in Savoy, Illinois, USA.

"Queen's Theatre" gave me Shaftesbury Avenue, Harrow instead of Shaftesbury Avenue, London.

"Novello Theatre" gave me no results.

"Lyceum Theatre" gave me no results.


And what did Google Maps find? It found every location first time, without problem, and without even needing to refine the search by adding "London" or "England" to the end (not that that helped with Apple Maps!).



Another test: Public transport.

The old Map app, which Mrs D still has on her iPhone 4S as she refuses to update to iOS6, would also handle directions via public transport as well as car or foot. She uses it regularly when she goes to London to see musicals (hence refusing to update to iOS6). Stick in a start point and an end point and it will tell you how to get there by public transport, with detailed information regarding e.g. where to walk to get the bus, which number and destination bus to get, what time the bus is and how long it will take... [This also still works via the Google Maps web app]

Apple Maps on iOS6? Ask it for a public transport route, and... it takes you to the App Store, to the section for transport apps. Useless :rolleyes:

Stuart 29-09-2012 16:48

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I think what happens now is the important thing. Apple have publically accepted there is a problem (which is something they almost never do). They now need to fix the problems. Which, in fairness, they seem to be doing. I wonder if Tim Cook did the same as Steve Jobs did when MobileMe didn't live up to expectations? For those who don't know, when the reports of bad service started coming in, Steve called the team behind MobileMe into his office. He asked "Can anyone tell me what this service is supposed to do?" When they replied, he stopped them and said "Now can you tell me why the **** it isn't doing it?". Not sure what else he did, but MobileMe improved pretty quickly after that.

Jimmy-J 29-09-2012 17:26

Re: The iPhone thread
 
All these problems... You must be holding it wrong. :D

Can't a Google Maps app be used until they fix it?

Tezcatlipoca 29-09-2012 18:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35479211)
I think what happens now is the important thing. Apple have publically accepted there is a problem (which is something they almost never do). They now need to fix the problems. Which, in fairness, they seem to be doing. I wonder if Tim Cook did the same as Steve Jobs did when MobileMe didn't live up to expectations? For those who don't know, when the reports of bad service started coming in, Steve called the team behind MobileMe into his office. He asked "Can anyone tell me what this service is supposed to do?" When they replied, he stopped them and said "Now can you tell me why the **** it isn't doing it?". Not sure what else he did, but MobileMe improved pretty quickly after that.

I'm still shocked and impressed that Cook apologised.

Apple really needs to sort this out. It is causing damage to the brand, damage to consumer confidence.

I know that people (and Apple itself) say that as it's partly crowdsourced, as users can report problems, it should get better over time with more use. But that depends on people actually reporting POI issues etc. (I have been) and depends on Apple then actually implementing those corrections (not seen any myself yet).

But... even if the incorrect POIs get corrected due to people reporting incorrect locations or non-existent locations, that does not help if a POI is not even listed in the first place. I can report a pub that is on the wrong side of the road, but I can't report a London theatre that is not listed at all.

And of course the public transport side is 100% in Apple's court. We have to rely on Apple actually bothering to add that, in place of the current lame link to the App Store.

Sure, it will get fixed eventually, you'd hope, but it should *never* have been released in such a state as this in the first place.

Apple took a away mature map system that had years of development and replaced it with something... crap. There's no excuse.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35479220)
All these problems... You must be holding it wrong. :D

Can't a Google Maps app be used until they fix it?

There is no app yet for Google Maps, although it can be used via the web browser, which actually works quite well.

The problem though with using that or any other alternative such as those 3rd party apps in the App Store is that none of them are integrated.

Even if you use Google Maps as a web app, or you use Bing, or something else, any time you click on an address in an email or a web page it will use Apple Maps, any other app that relies on the built-in mapping system will use Apple Maps, etc.

AndyCambs 30-09-2012 07:11

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Quote:


Even if you use Google Maps as a web app, or you use Bing, or something else, any time you click on an address in an email or a web page it will use Apple Maps, any other app that relies on the built-in mapping system will use Apple Maps, etc.
I happened to notice that today - if you "check-in" on Facebook, none of the locations are present, and you need to create them.

Russ 05-10-2012 09:25

Re: The iPhone thread
 
I've found a way to make Apple Maps (the satnav, anyway) a little more effective if anyone is still persevering like me...

I use the Yell app to locate a business and that has a feature where you can store the company's details in your phonebook. Do that then start Apple Maps, choose contacts and select the business and I've found the satnav works and gets me there perfectly. So far..

Tezcatlipoca 12-10-2012 19:11

Re: The iPhone thread
 
Some new apps...

Crazy Taxi - £2.99 (universal). Straight port of the Dreamcast classic, including the soundtrack.

BBC iPlayer Radio - Free (iPhone). Live streaming of all the BBC's UK radio stations, over WiFi and 3G. Seven day catch-up. Alarm clock function. Alerts for upcoming programmes. BBC podcasts.

Stuart 18-10-2012 20:19

Re: The iPhone thread
 
Just found out that on the iPhone 5, real racing 2 (non hd version) supports airplay mirroring and it works well.

You just need an Apple TV on the same wifi network. You play on the tv. The iPhone displays a map, timer, speedo and acts as a controller.

Tezcatlipoca 18-10-2012 20:30

Re: The iPhone thread
 
Yep, the iPad (HD) version's the same.

Quite a few games support Airplay now. Some big name ones are Modern Combat 3, N.O.V.A. 3, & Sky Gamblers Air Supremacy.

Peter_ 18-10-2012 22:57

Re: The iPhone thread
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/10/18.jpg

Halcyon 19-10-2012 18:12

Re: The iPhone thread
 
Anyone know why when I sent a text message to someone today it appeared blue instead of green?

I'm not connected to wifi or any Internet so am not using imessage.

Thanks.

Stephen 19-10-2012 18:21

Re: The iPhone thread
 
Yes, it was sent as an imessage as they will be using an iPhone also.

Halcyon 19-10-2012 20:00

Re: The iPhone thread
 
Oh right I see, so whatever the connection method (3G or Wifi) as long as two people have an iphone they will get an imessage.


Cool. Thanks.


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