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Nor is Barcelona, I was employing a neat verbal trick known as 'irony'. Considering Ferguson lost in Turkey to get an easier draw, I laughed a lot when that came out.

I see AC are the favourites for the whole thing now, though. Time to get the pizza out, Manc boys, you're up against a proper team there. Footballer of the Year and all.

11-2 - AC Milan
13-2 - Barcelona and Chelsea
15-2 - Arsenal
8-1 - Juventus
11-1 - Inter Milan and Manchester United

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Cool, it'll give us the chance to shine and raise our game.

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5-2 to my boys, good result :tu:

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split loyalties for me as i support both clubs.. palace played well and deserved to get level after the break.. man u were better in the second half and deserved the win.. good performance from keano as well.. when will he get that 50th goal ?

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Certainly looking like the Arseââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s declining performances are continuing halfway through the season. Relying on a defender to score the winner in a game against a team like Portsmouth (no disrespect to them) isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t really what you'd call the mark of champions who are hoping to retain their crown. I always knew theyââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢d slip up this season but I wasnââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t expecting it to be so early.

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whilst i agree it looks like arsenal are slipping at the moment.. pompey beat us.

Trouble is I can see Chelsea loosing too many games this season.. if we have a strong second half to the season we should get second

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Yeah but we're not trying to retain anything. We're established champions whereas Arse have yet to show any long-term championship material, just as I predicted last season.

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ok get your point now...if they don't finish this season as champs I can see a few players leaving.. Viera only stayed because Real didn't offer him enough money in the summer... if they come back in with a new offer he could go as well

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:rolleyes: all the united fans bigging it up in here as usual, to be honest Russ the proof is in the points on the board....and united by their standards are not doing and by the end of New years day you will be back in 5th were you belong :p:

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Um...where am I bragging???

No-one wins the title by Christmas (although United have come close a few times :D) remember!

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lets see who's weeping on that day shall we ;) methinks it won't be the mighty red army :angel:

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bith United and Arsenal fans are all the same, they seem to think the whole football world revolves around them. Bring on Mr Glazier ;)

Very true statement Russ but United have lost it by xmas this year :D

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very true Debs and spoken like a true 'boro' fan :D

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it does, surely Man U are the centre of the universe oops:

:knock: not while i've got any braincells left

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Most Man U fans don't even know where manchester is ;)

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Well I suspect you're a closet Man U fan really so maybe you need a visit to OT :rofl: :Sprint:

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would rather be :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:


:D :angel:

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Chelski look good for the Premiership title this season but my boys are not to be written off, can see a strong finish by them. Lets see who else gets a Champion League place and who doesn't ;)

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Yeh and lets see who gets to a European final and who doesn't :)

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:handshake you have a deal there mr scooby ;)

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This fine is nowhere near enough, but if it had happened here, FIFA would have............ I'll say no more.

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Someone, if true, couldn't find an ashtray... :smokin: ;)

Link and another...

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It seems that Rooney is being targeted by the press once again, as he is now a Man Utd player.
His slap in the face to the Bolton defender is all it was, but I suspect Rooney will be heavily fined or given a 2/3 match ban :rolleyes:
Source: Yahoo Sport

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To be fair - he intentionally struck another player in the face - he should have gone off for that, no question about it. SAF really needs to crack down on Rooney's lack of discipline now.

However Haim should also have action taken against him for play acting. In an interview to the BBC he said..

...which, apart from being the most lame defence I've ever heard, proves he can not be trusted in a game as he will 'instinctively' drop to the floor under any contact in the game. Does 'instinct' also dictate staying on the ground as well?

Charge him with bringing the game in to disrepute for that and let's see a ban.

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Hmmm the latest story in the never ending transfer rumors is that Pablo Aimar wants to come to Liverpool. :D :shocked: :eeek: :smokin: (if it was to happen which I don't think it will...prolly get a better deal from his current club)

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Good result tonight for the lads :tu:

Villa 0 - 1 Man Utd

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He's done it again - just when his future with United is called in to question, Giggs puts in a run of killer performances :D

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Yes, I was thinking that as well :D

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Both parties are charged
What a shame :erm: the thug and the play acting faker are both being charged by the FA. Maybe it will help Rooney realise that he has to either calm his temper down or at the very least make it a little less obvious next time ;)

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Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m glad both were charged and Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m quietly hoping Haim will get more of a punishment as heââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s admitted his instinct is to hit the floor and pretty much stay there. He should be used as an example to players who play act to get people like Rooney sent off.

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3 match ban for him , not enough i say :td: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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The Fat boy deserves 8 months as much as Rio!

What is everyone's opinion on Coleen's thighs?

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why are worried about thighs at 14 years old :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd:

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I am 15 in a couple of days and I have a girlfriend, what wrong with that?

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dont worry about it , you will understand in a few years ;)

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Yeah, I do have to admit that Rooney was the first person that I'd ever seen do that on the pitch, so he should have been hung, drawn and quatered. :erm: :rolleyes:

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean that he should not get a worse punishment than any other player who does the same and other players have done it before.

Before you say anything, I do believe that he should have got punished for it and got what the rules state as the correct punishment.

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but maybe the rules are too lenient , how about a 10 game ban or something like that , it would make them think more than twice about doing something like that again :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd: , nip it in the bud sort of thing :tu:

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Yes that's fine it might make them think twice before doing it, but it happens throughout football, it's not just Rooney (and I don't mean that that makes it okay either, it's still wrong). That's what annoyed me :tu:

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couldnt agree more , i am not pointing the finger at rooney , just making the point that if the punishment was more severe then the likelihood of it happening would lessen over time :)

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3 match ban is what everyone gets for similar offences now!! He's not the first and won't be the last :)

Glad to see the bolton player is getting done as well, his reaction was a disgusting, acting like he had been shot :erm: Hopefully the FA will fine him 6 weeks wages and 1 match ban :)

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No no, he should get at least the same as Rooney seeing as he's admitted it's his instinct to react like that. As a result he should be made an example of.

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for all Man Yoo players, 8 month bans should be given for ANY offence on/off the pitch.......












;)

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from what i understand Russ because of what he has been charged with he can't get the same as Rooney :erm:

but i agree they prehaps should of done the same......

what about players that dive should they be dealt with in the same way?

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Some teams *cough* Liverpool *cough* should be banned full stop! ;) :D

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What the penalty for bad acting? Ginola was very good at diving....this Isreali bloke was the pits...

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Penalty for bad acting?? As opposed to a reward for good acting?? ;)

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the thing is we have had 2 players tried by video this season and i don't see the same thing happening to the Arse or Chelsea..

As for the Bolton bloke he admitted to diving and should be kicked out of football. It's a game played by sportsmen and that wasn't a sporting act. The FA, UEFA and FIFA should be looking into these things. Where's the comments from that stupid Blatter about this

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What about the pizza wars at OT?

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what about it :confused:

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yes something else the arse have got away with..

don't remember anyone being tried by TV or media for that one.

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Whoa, that's harsh :confused:

Diving's a part of football. If caught in the game - yellow carded, no more. If caught on camera after the game NO ACTION should be taken.

Im sick to death of players getting reprimanded after a games took place. What happens in a game should stay in a game... if the ref misses it, it should mean the players got away with it. That's how it used to be, and thats how it should be now.

The only thing cameras in footy stadiums should be used for is to allow people to watch it on TV and to control the crowd, nothing more.

Technology is ruining football.

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LOL.

Yeah, the arse get away with everything. Even telling the truth :rolleyes:

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we;; if we had some consistency I would agree with you. Wonder what will happen next time Cole does a foul that is missed by the ref and caught on camera.

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Yeah, I see what your getting at.

With the amount of money involved in football these days - I guess consistancy is needed in the big games. Money ruining football, yet again.

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Forest win, finally... Bopp goal gives a 1-0 win vs 9-man Stoke lol.

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I think someone needs to amend their signature. ;) :D 2-0 to United was it?

To use a kid's phrase "He started it!" before anyone thinks that I'm gloating :D

Revenge sort of thing... ;)

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All I can say is Middlesburied, :) they were very poor.

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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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:wavey: :wavey: ;) :D

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:( :( :( :( :( :(

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:wavey: So I take it that you didn't enjoy the match then ;) :D

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Oh I can do that for him if he likes..... :D

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couldn't argee more with you, we were dire :dozey: not one shot on target all game :Yikes: and Downing seem to forget how to run at people with the ball, like he has been all season :confused: everytime he got the ball he crossed as soon as he approached a defender.

:shrug:

still not bothered because i have a picture of a certain lady in a 'boro' top;)

:p:

anyway well done to the Manc's you actually deserved to win :shocked:

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show us a piccy then :D :D :D

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Glad to see that you took your signature off and that you enjoyed the game ;) :D

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I was really chuffed with the result as I can't imagine the stick I'd have got if Boro had won :erm:

anyway, any pictures that were taken were done whilst under the influence of alcohol so cannot be posted on a family forum :blush: :eek:

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:confused: you were drinking at 10 in the morning? :Yikes: :Yikes:

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just changed it slightly actually :p:

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At least people know who utd are to hate them! ;) :D

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see i must have been drunk still cos i can't remember when it was taken :erm: :Yikes: :dozey: remember the match in perfect detail though ;)

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If that makes you feel better about it, then i'm happy for you :)

I have NO doubt you will be cheering for 'boro' on tuesday though :D

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What's the point, if you play like you did against us, you'll just rollover and a very easy/comfortable 3 points for them ;) :D

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:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

typical Manc responce to anything

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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What's typical? I'm just saying that they're going to have improve a hell of a lot from when they played us. :)

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well shocking decision last night by the ref..we should have had at least 2 pens :D :D

Not sure how everyone missed it but i think Carroll helped with his reaction to just keep on playing..

Despite all our possession and shots we still didn't really unlock the door and Robinson only had a few saves to make. Still think we need to get another playmaker in midfield.. Keono looks back to his best but Ronaldo is only really a wingr and not great when he comes inside. Scholes is starting to get abit old now and we need someone else who can break teams down.

With all the injuries to the other strikers was expecting Smith to show his early season form and get a few hattricks and cement his place in the side. Fraid as a loan striker he hasn't been outstanding in the last few games. Don't think we would have done any better with Rooney playing either.

With the arse drawing we had a chance to close the gap to second instead we threw it away and let Everton come back at us

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I was joking but Fergie think's we should have had a pen

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/4143123.stm

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Anyone remember the goal Sparky "scored" when he was playing for Southampton?

He hit a cracker which went flying into the net, hit the advertising hording right behind the net and came flying out again, the ref played on.

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Losing Giggsy is what cost us the win. He could be out for 6 weeks :(

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don't remember it but i remember the Dell ground with the very short nets behind the goal so doesn't surprise me.

Loosing Giggs would have been ok if we had some depth in the squad.. Bellion isn't good enough for Man U and I don't think he ever will be. We only have one striker now in Smith.. DOn't know why Rossi or someone from the reservers \ youth team hasn't stepped up to the first team if we are short of strikers..

Although Giggs has been playing well over the past few games he still missed a one on one with the keeper against Bolton and what about all the other games we have played since 99. It just shows he hasn't been performing and at his age is prone to injuries which is why he should only get a one year extension

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Self centred the lot of you ;) Just think what Spurs fans must be feeling like, they must feel like they were mugged last nite.

I thinks you need a new keeper in Jan give 'boro' 2 million and you can have one :angel: and 15 mill for Mr Downing as a replacement for Giggs :)

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We have no need for a new keeper, we are covered in that area.

Here is a question - How many league games have Man Utd lost when Carroll has been in goal.

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:erm: i think you will find that ferguson wants a new keeper and will be doing his level best to get one in Jan, as he has no faith in the 2 you have and last night would of reinforced that view i have no doubt! ;)

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How do you know that? Are someone who Sir Alex confides in? Or are you just going on quote less media reports?

Carroll has only ever lost two league games for Man Utd. Nothing wrong with that form.

Schwarzer has made mistakes in the past, ever keeper has, what if he is signed by Man Utd and he makes a mistake, will we go and look for someone else to buy?

We need to stick with our keepers, Carroll and Howard are perfect for us, we don't need anyone else. I'm sure Fergie knows that and thats why I'm pretty confident no keeper will be purchased in January.

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Keepers make mistakes just like any other player. Decisions like last night's happen, we can't argue over it too much although had it gone against us in a game with someone like Chelsea then I'd probably be furious too.

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i must abit i'm not very confident when Carroll's in goal. yes his stats are very good but then hehas one of the best defences in the league in front of him. Any keeper, even Spironi the ex keeper at my other club Palace, would have a half decent record playing behind Rio.

I think we do need a keep and Carroll showed last night he isn't a number one. He's made quite a few mistakes, the one he made last night was not trapping the ball and then passing to a teammate, he then compounded that by not getting his body behind the ball.

Howard is a good keeper and just needs to learn how to deal with crosses and corners better.

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:LOL: At the end of the day if you want to win thorpys this season you need a new keeper :) I don't care who you get i would like you to get Mr Jones from brook street rather than 'boros' keeper :shrug:

but i will leave the utd fans to their thread :angel:

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Love to know how you work out that we need a new keeper to win trophies considering we won the FA cup last season with Howard and Carroll.

And the premiership in 2003 with Carroll.

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i'd love to win some thorpys at the end of the season.. what are they ?

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some other bad decisions

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4148525.stm

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They are going to have to do something about that groundskeeper though ;) :p: :D

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Even Jol said he was happy with a draw in the Sky interview at the end of the match. Spurs made very little attempt to actually win the match, 8/9 man defence, offside trap. Robinson and King played very well. Just think, if video evidence had been in use last year then Jose may not have become the Chelsea manager as Porto would have been out of Europe in the quarter finals.
Even so I could not believe what I was watching, Caroll didn't even manage a knock on, the dozy plonker.

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people forget that Man U have had decisions go against them in the past..

also Arsenal would have lost to Pompey as the Pires dive for the pen wouldn't have been given

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Hope you like them :D :D :D



http://www.40percent.tv/fnord/howard.jpg


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At work today, i has to skim read the xmas edition of the BMJ and my eye was drawn to this article ;)

Can the human eye detect an offside position during a football match?

The xmas issue is renowned for it's frivolous items based on real scientific research/evidence....... and i thought it might help you guys in your arguments when you screech........ THAT WAS NEVER OFF SIDE!! at the tv/ref :D

Some people just have nothing better to do....... and i'll leave it up to you to decide who i'm referring to ;)

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i can't believe some of the comments over this "goal". It's thw worst referring decision of all time apparently. Not fogetting the Hurst goal that took a world cup final to extra time. The missed goal from Chesterfield v Boro for a place in a FA Cup final. The Maradona goal that cost England a place in a world cup final. The dodgy decisions that went for South Korea in the last world cup.

Come on this has happened before and will happen again.

Just because it is Man U everyone is saying Carroll should be banned and the result overturned. I think if this happened in a Luton Town match i don't think the reactions would be the same

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Depends on whether you support Luton Town or not :D

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you know what i mean though just cos it's man u everyone is going overboard and i don't think this is the worst decision of all time by a ref

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Thats to be expected. Of all the international competitions I can remember the host nation has always got the benefit of the doubt in decisions.

It was a pretty bad decision, maybe not the worst, but up there.

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Actually, you're right - I don't think that this is the worst decision by a ref. At the end of the day, the linesmen are there to help the ref is unsighted, out of position etc. What I think this is is the highest profile one for a while and, it must be said, an absolute howler of a mistake, when the ball was a good yard over the line.

One of the issues in my mind is what's the point of the fourth official? I know he's there in case the ref gets injured, but why can't he advise the ref in cases like this - all in all, it's a good case for some form of technological back up.