Re: Britain outside the EU
 

you see in that post I said about posting evidence. I just wanted to know from Hugh what I have said in this thread or elsewhere for that matter that makes me pretty much a Nazi cuz in his words he put me on the right hinges of the Overton window which according to him way beyond radical and tbh I do not appreciate that accusation

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Nah, let it go, can't be bothered with all this point scoring stuff . . . best left to politicians is that game ;)

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Ok, so, firstly, thank you for posting the link to the video, which does as you say show the French police allowing the boat to leave without intervention. In my mind they're not actively escorting but, that's semantics, so, c'est la vie.

Coming back to a point i made earlier, to be able to make a considered decision surely we need to factor in how many have been stopped from leaving?

There are always going to be a few bad apples in every police force. The UK itself shows enough evidence of that from it's recent past. Not that this justifies these officers behaviour

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Oh go on deary, double top and you've won ;)

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

once is too much though and come seriously? you know the French want rid it is plainly obvious to me anyway. Macrons whole response to Boris letter today shows he wants nothing to do with it. They were given money to slow it down and the proof that even one boat was watched leaving with no intervention is a breach

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Right . . . that's enough

Who are you, and what have you done to the real mrmistoffelees? :D



edit: . . total recall (not) . . but I seem to remember reading . . oh 6 months or so back maybe . . that the French were refusing to intercept boats because the kerfuffle may cause the migrants to panic and possibly capsize the boat they're in.

Could we play that game and leave them to flounder on towards the coast . . or are we 'better' than that?

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I don't think you will ever. ever achieve perfection,

As i said before look at the US/Mexico border and with people coming from Guatemala & other countries, look at the amount of money that the US has thrown at countries & also thrown at technology (ours by comparison is a piffling amount) and they still cannot halt the flow.

We can pay France however much we want but ultimately if 'we' want to stop these people from making that journey then the responsibility is on 'us.' Now, how that's achieved is an entirely different kettle du poisson

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I am the real me ;) had some time away from posting as i didn't like the way i was posting :)

To your edit, I don't see the British coastguard/navy intercepting and turning away boats? if it's that easy why are they not doing so?

I don't particularly want to play aquatic wiff-waff with innocent people's lives

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

I had a suggestion quite a few pages ago ( :D ) but apparently it won't work because they won't have any ID . . or somfink



. . . and it would cost money ;)

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Take them back to France. The prospect of which made Macron throw his dummy out the pram today

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

OK, so, why are we not doing that already?

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

As the fog of Covid (temporarily) clears, we can turn our attention to the train wreck that Brexit has resulted in, Business leaders certainly have:

Half of UK SMEs think whole of UK society has been damaged by Brexit

Apply the long term 4% drop on GBP, twice as bad as Covid will be, and you see more and more people realise they we're conned, big style.

Maybe the details of the train wreck were on the other side of the bus?

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

aaaah the business leaders are back, profitability first lads, all hands to the pumps, we need our cheap labour back . . . oh, and don't mention the effect lockdowns had

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Well, exactly.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

I was curious as there are claims here that France is doing nothing to prevent people crossing the channel. It turns out, unsurprisingly, that that is complete nonsense;

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/11/12.jpg

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Certain media publications just love to incite and stir up nationalism.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Not really. I'm not a fan of Macron but writing an open letter to the leader of another country won't get results. That kind of approach is just for internal consumption.

I suspect Macron was actually pleased by the open letter, he can increase his re-election prospects by saying he will stand up to an unreasonable UK and get rhe country behind him. Then do something unreasonable himself and Boris can play the same game.