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Kushan 21-01-2013 22:39

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Yeah, but that's load balancing of the network, not of the down streams the guy has. There may be an over-utilisation of the upstream he's on, but even if he was only on one downstream it wouldn't be any better is what I'm saying.

Qtx 21-01-2013 22:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horace (Post 35525780)
Anyone with a clue know why my connection falls apart between 4pm and Midnight exactly every day, I mean, utilisation problems shouldn't be so well scheduled and there's nothing running on my end to swamp my connection during those times by the way.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/01/62.jpg

It is obviously related to peak time usage. Pretty sure that more users active can increase some type of errors. Not sure if that would be HEC/FEC or something else, or indicative of an amp on its way out or whatever though.

The packet loss makes me think its not as simple as utilisation.

qasdfdsaq 22-01-2013 03:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35525786)
I don't think the number of downstreams versus the number of upstreams has any impact.

Given each downstream channel requires a certain amount of upstream bandwidth to work, it does.

Considering one downstream channel uses up to 5-10% of the upstream channel capacity to run, fully utilizing 8 downstream channels with one upstream could result in up to 80% of the upstream capacity being utilized just to operate the downstream, while nobody is uploading anything. That leaves very little upstream capacity left over for actual uploading, especially given congestion issues can begin at above 70% upstream utilization

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35525811)
Yeah, but that's load balancing of the network, not of the down streams the guy has. There may be an over-utilisation of the upstream he's on, but even if he was only on one downstream it wouldn't be any better is what I'm saying.

However if the network only had one downstream (aside from downstream congestion issues) that would leave at least 90% of the upstream capacity available, compared to the ~40-50% left over with 8 downstream channels in use.

Sephiroth 22-01-2013 08:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35525841)
Given each downstream channel requires a certain amount of upstream bandwidth to work, it does.

Considering one downstream channel uses up to 5-10% of the upstream channel capacity to run, fully utilizing 8 downstream channels with one upstream could result in up to 80% of the upstream capacity being utilized just to operate the downstream, while nobody is uploading anything. That leaves very little upstream capacity left over for actual uploading, especially given congestion issues can begin at above 70% upstream utilization.

There's an interesting article on the subject here.

The takeaway in the context of Qasi's post is that the frequency of ACKs sent back (through a busy) upstream on data received will slow the download (decrease throughput).

Whether or not that is a 5-10% overhead I'll leave to Qasi to justify, if he cares to. But it is an important point that he makes.

Kushan 22-01-2013 09:10

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35525841)
Given each downstream channel requires a certain amount of upstream bandwidth to work, it does.

Considering one downstream channel uses up to 5-10% of the upstream channel capacity to run, fully utilizing 8 downstream channels with one upstream could result in up to 80% of the upstream capacity being utilized just to operate the downstream, while nobody is uploading anything. That leaves very little upstream capacity left over for actual uploading, especially given congestion issues can begin at above 70% upstream utilization

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However if the network only had one downstream (aside from downstream congestion issues) that would leave at least 90% of the upstream capacity available, compared to the ~40-50% left over with 8 downstream channels in use.

Believe it or not, this situation is nothing new to VM. Remember when the 50Meg first came out and had an upload speed of barely over 1.5Mbit? (If I recall correctly). The ACKs alone would nearly congest the upload stream in itself, yet it actually ran fairly smoothly (For most, there's always an exception). Anyway, there is a point in what you're saying but he's having this issue without actually utilising his downstream, which is the point I'm making - just HAVING 8 downstreams versus 1 upstream isn't the issue, there's obviously something else going on there.

I'd like to know where you're getting your figures, though, 5-10% of upstream per downstream for example. Are you referring to the available bandwidth for the connection (What profile the modem is set to), or the available bandwidth for the channels (8x50Mbit on the downstream, 1x~30Mbit on the upstream?) or what?

Chrysalis 22-01-2013 13:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35525761)
8 downstreams with only 1 upstream? Yeah that's begging for problems...

I now have 8 downstream but I dont know how many upstream, superhub is crashing 1 min after boot. I cant load the upstream page.

joglynne 22-01-2013 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35525952)
I now have 8 downstream but I dont know how many upstream, superhub is crashing 1 min after boot. I cant load the upstream page.

Probably a silly suggestion but could you go directly to your upstream page

http://192.168.100.1/VmRouterStatus_upstream.asp

Sorry if it's a daft idea. :( (I'll get my coat on the way off the thread. :D )

Chrysalis 22-01-2013 17:54

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its fixed now, the issue was it couldnt get a wan ip and I guess whilst in that state in modem mode it isnt responsive. I will post a graph after some uptime.

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...22-01-2013.png

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-01-2013.png

Kushan 22-01-2013 18:30

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Seems like a massive improvement on before.

Chrysalis 22-01-2013 18:46

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so far yeah, lets see how it goes at 6pm.

and yeah doh its already gone 6pm, 2US

babis3g 23-01-2013 00:01

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something is going on right now
Maybe is local
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...23-01-2013.png
http://www.pingtest.net/result/75986845.png
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...3-01-2013.html

Chrysalis 24-01-2013 19:08

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
2 days after waiting a year or so for the upgrade seems another is needed.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...24-01-2013.png

VM just cant get that modem count down enough.

morley04 24-01-2013 21:03

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Where in LE3 are you as I notice you're graph says " Bonded US "

Chrysalis 24-01-2013 22:43

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fosse road area.

babis3g 25-01-2013 04:46

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35527153)
2 days after waiting a year or so for the upgrade seems another is needed.

same here after few days gone back up, then after 1-3 weeks gone down again
seems they will load balance it (or whatever they doing) by time


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