Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Another piece of bad news for business:

Some wag on Twitter has worked out why the truck park in Ashford, Kent was so small: No deal = No logistics companies.

Probably good news to be honest. Best way to run a transport business is to have goods available for the 'return' journey. Let the foreign companies do it all, they can bring their stuff in then arrange stuff to go out ;)

Our own firms can then concentrate their drivers & vehicles on the booming 'internet shopping' fad :D

ianch99

23-07-2020 11:12

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Another piece of news that slipped under the radar (;)) in March was this:

Industry Troubled as UK Government Confirms EASA Departure

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The UK will leave the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) on December 31, when the transition period ends for the country’s departure from the European Union (EU). The UK Department for Transport (DfT) confirmed the plans over the weekend in a short statement after transport secretary Grant Shapps unexpectedly shared the news with U.S. publication Aviation Week in a March 6 interview.

The abrupt change in policy dashes the hopes of the UK’s aviation industry, which has collectively expressed a strong preference for staying within the EASA's jurisdiction. Industry groups had hoped that the UK would follow the example of Switzerland, which, despite not being an EU member state, is a part of EASA. The decision raises serious questions about the willingness of leading aerospace manufacturers to keep production in the UK due to potentially burdensome requirements to get separate UK type certification and approvals.

Hugh	23-07-2020 12:21

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36044410)

Well, before the COVID-19 hit us, that "fad" was accounting for nearly 20% of retail sales (it's now nearly a third of all retail sales in the UK).

papa smurf

23-07-2020 12:38

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Brexit: UK must 'face possibility' of no deal on future relationship with EU by end of transition

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk...ition-12034669

OOH by gum n heck :shocked:

Brexit LIVE: Boris Johnson refuses negotiation on fishing – EU to decide if talks continue

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...no-deal-brexit

Pierre

23-07-2020 13:19

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044421)

I think they could probably sort the fishing issue out. It's the "level playing field" that's the real issue. A problem that is the EU's making not ours. The unreasonable request that we must meet all of the EU's benchmarks so that we cannot produce things or provide services more efficiently than them and undercut them.

Which is one of the reasons we left. So if we reach no agreement on that, it's no deal - in regards to trade.

I'm sure there will be lots of other side deals around other things.

Carth

23-07-2020 16:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044418)

Well, before the COVID-19 hit us, that "fad" was accounting for nearly 20% of retail sales (it's now nearly a third of all retail sales in the UK).

exactly . . . more delivery drivers required :p:

1andrew1

23-07-2020 19:28

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36044425)

Trouble is side deals are far, far harder if there is no trade deal in the first place.

The fishing deal should be relatively unimportant to each side (I believe Harrods employs more people and adds more to UK GDP) but the UK does seem keen to want to end the current arrangements.

Carth

23-07-2020 19:42

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044454)

Do you not understand why "Harrods employs more people and adds more to UK GDP" ?

How about we get rid of 99% of civil servants, then we can say the local Tesco employs more people than them :D :D

ianch99

23-07-2020 20:03

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More Tory hypocrisy. No surprise that Redwood is front & centre ..

https://twitter.com/StevePeers/statu...49623444525063

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And there it is. Having whined (misleadingly) that Parliament did not get a vote on free trade agreements negotiated by the EU, John Redwood just voted against Parliament getting a vote on FTAs negotiated by the *UK government*:
https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Co...mber=True#noes
Contemptible hypocrisy.

nomadking

23-07-2020 20:04

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But the main reason Harrods employs more people than the fishing industry is that the other fishing employees are in the EU.

The aim isn't to completely shut out EU fishing boats, but to have UK control over who is or isn't allowed to fish in our waters. The UK fishing industry isn't big enough to pick up the slack, if EU boats were completely banned.

If the EU imposed tariffs on fish caught by UK boats and sold in the EU, wouldn't the UK have to impose some sort of tariffs on EU boats catching fish in UK waters, but selling them in the EU? Otherwise the EU boats would have an unfair advantage, as they would be tariff free.

Sephiroth

23-07-2020 20:21

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044454)

.... and the reason for this is quite simple. Why should the EU dip into our back pockets, so to speak? Surely we have the the over-riding say over who fishes in our waters? It's called sovereignty.

They say the price for a trade deal is that the fishing status quo is maintained; after all, Barnier has said, if the UK regains control of its waters, the livelihoods of the EU's fishing community will be destroyed.

1andrew1

23-07-2020 22:06

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36044456)

More Tory hypocrisy. No surprise that Redwood is front & centre ..

https://twitter.com/StevePeers/statu...49623444525063

That's appalling hypocrisy. At times he posses the rare trait of making Cummings look a credible witness.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044459)

Like Pierre, I think fishing is less of an issue than a level playing field and involvement of the European courts in disputes. But I suspect the latter two can be spun in the same manner that a border in the Irish sea was. Deny it and then by the time the facts are known, people have lost interest.

I don't think we'll be going from "easiest deal ever" to "no deal" at the end of the year. I think BoJo will do a lot of huffing and puffing and then quietly roll over in the Autumn and acquiesce. Once again. Not the first politician to adopt this approach in the face of a stronger power and doubtless not the last. When was the last time we heard "They need us more than we need them?". Quite.

We saw BoJo hot foot it up to Scotland. No deal would give the SNP and devolution more support. BoJo doesn't want to go down in history as the PM who presided over the dissolution of the UK. Although I think that's unlikely given our Churchillian level of indebtedness at the moment. In reality, Northern Ireland is a more likely candidate to break away but not under the term of BoJo's Government.

Sephiroth

23-07-2020 22:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044464)

That's appalling hypocrisy. At times he posses the rare trait of making Cummings look a credible witness.

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Like Pierre, I think fishing is less of an issue than a level playing field and involvement of the European courts in disputes. But I suspect the latter two can be spun in the same manner that a border in the Irish sea was. Deny it and then by the time the facts are known, people have lost interest.

I don't think we'll be going from "easiest deal ever" to "no deal" at the end of the year. I think BoJo will do a lot of huffing and puffing and then quietly roll over in the Autumn and acquiesce. Once again. Not the first politician to adopt this approach in the face of a stronger power and doubtless not the last. When was the last time we heard "They need us more than we need them?". Quite.

We saw BoJo hot foot it up to Scotland. No deal would give the SNP and devolution more support. BoJo doesn't want to go down in history as the PM who presided over the dissolution of the UK. Although I think that's unlikely given our Churchillian level of indebtedness at the moment. In reality, Northern Ireland is a more likely candidate to break away but not under the term of BoJo's Government.

We may disagree on some fundamentals on Brexit negotiations, but you're letting yourself down on your assessment on nationalism. For a start, the Scots need to gain a referendum from the Guvmin; why should that be granted? As to NI, can you back up your assertion?

1andrew1

23-07-2020 23:30

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044467)

Scotland - I don't think it can happen for the reason I stated but there is a big increase in support for independence - now up to 54%. My key point is this will pressure BoJo to get an EU deal. A disastrous no-deal could well see some form of referendum. It also serves the purpose of being a dead cat. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...tice-82mqs6zm9

NI - won't happen under BoJo's government but I think the Irish sea border will gradually pull NI away from GB until it makes more sense to join with Eire.

Sephiroth

23-07-2020 23:56

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044469)

I've done your research for you!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...orth-1.3891032

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