Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35951756)

Incorrect.
WTO rules require a hard border if there was no agreement between the EU and a third country.
Ireland is concerned that a hard border would encourage the revival of terrorism and the EU is looking after its members' interests. The UK may have the upper hand when negotiating with Ireland but the position is reversed when the EU negotiates with the UK. Of course, the UK has yet to propose a solution for the Irish border as the cabinet is split down the middle on two impractical ideas. It will decide which of these ideas sinks the least in July.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35951787)

But we are trying to get agreement with the EU! Which is why the hard border is unnecessary.

And why you seem to think that the EU has the upper hand eludes me. They export more to us than we do to them, and when the crunch comes to the crunch, the remaining EU countries will demand a deal.

.After all, they won't vote to be poorer. :D

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35951788)

You talk about trade but how does an "open" border handle the movement of people from Eire to NI and then on to the Mainland? Just curious ..

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35951789)

I think the point is that without permission to work in the UK, they won't be able to work or claim benefits of any kind. So why have border controls to deal with a non-existent problem?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35951787)

After all, they won't vote to be poorer. :D

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35951734)

The use of such language distracts from the serious nature of the debacle the Leave vote has lead to. Calling the people we are negotiating with "turds" is just pathetic. [SEPH]: No it doesn't. You just want to pick a fight.

Anyway, thinking of my view of the EU Commission, what would be a more appropriate word?

I would suggest that most of the people who voted Leave had a more adult perspective on why they voted the way they did. [SEPH]: Children wouldn't know enough to be able to describe the EU Commission as turds. It's perfectly adult..



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Do you ever watch Eurovision? :rolleyes: You are not supposed to think I am, personally, the "UK Jury". It was supposed to be a joke! [SEPH]: Wasted words. Make them count. The Referendum result was LEAVE and it behoves you to make that work.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35951665)

<SNIP>


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<SNIP>

I was in Berlin a couple of weeks ago and after visiting the various WWII institutions, can clearly understand why they are motivated in the way they are and why they are so nervous of the rise of nationalism across Europe.

As Churchill said in 1957:



I feel he would saddened by the attitude of many in the UK ..[COLOR="Silver"]

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35951790)

Ok, so why do we have a "border" in France and, as a result, the Jungle?

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Why? After all, we did :)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35951756)

Ireland is concerned that a hard border would encourage the revival of terrorism

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35951808)

:D when looking at what's gone on in the past few years, and the threats that are still out there, that one made me chuckle Andrew, thanks :D

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35951803)

We did not vote to be poorer, and nor will we be! Remember, we are talking about more trade than less, so go figure.

By the way, who’s talking about France? I thought we were talking about the Ireland/Northern Ireland border!

You are pretty messed up, man!

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35951830)

Keep up :) You said there is no need for a NI border to control migration so I was asking you why the need for the Calais "border". By your logic, we should not have border security in Calais, correct?

You are talking about more trade. The emphasis being on the "talking" part. You may not have voted to be poorer, however some will be still happy if they are.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35951830)

Keep up :) You said there is no need for a NI border to control migration so I was asking you why the need for the Calais "border". By your logic, we should not have border security in Calais, correct?

You are talking about more trade. The emphasis being on the "talking" part. You may not have voted to be poorer, however some will be still happy if they are.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35951832)

But the Shengen migrants are contained in France. They cannot get to Ireland.

How can more trade make us poorer?

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35951836)

even the main Brextremists are admitting we be poorer and Boris heard say f business because they telling the truth and more people realising vast majority of people gonna lot lot poorer