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So now "benefits of EU membership" can be Cherry Picked?

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That's what we were told by Vote Leave if I remember rightly.

But let's not get stuck in the past, we need to get the best possible deal as the country's already encountering high levels of unemployment and we can't afford to get it wrong.

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Your pedantry to sidetrack the discussion based on single sentences knows no bounds.

Although I agree yes, the UK are seeking to cherry pick.

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What a crass position you are taking, jfman! Any business worth its salt would have planned to exit the EU with a deal and to exit without a deal. A pretty binary choice, and they have known this from the get-go. The third option, now dismissed, was to stay in the EU, which would have meant no change.

The Chinese? Well, that presents a really great opportunity if they keep within international rule of law, but in the absence of that, have you taken a look at a globe recently? Still plenty of opportunities out there.

But you are not an entrepreneurial type of person, so you just don't see them.

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Maybe so, but that iswhat the EU wants. You don't get it, do you?

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:D

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Well, let's start by not being so negative about leaving the EU, then.

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No, we're not. We just want a no-tariff trade deal with no strings. Pray, tell me what is wrong with that, and don't forget to look at trade deals everywhere else around the world.

The EU is not the centre of the universe, jfman. I hope I am not the first to break it to you.

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Why? Government policy for over two years was to leave with a deal. As the forum arch-capitalist willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of lives for a couple of percentage points on GDP, why would companies waste money planning for an eventuality that wasn't Government policy?

At no point have I denied there are opportunities - I've been clear though that the situation is challenging, a challenge you I don't think you underestimate, but simply I think you ignore for ideological reasons.

No China trade deal, no EU trade deal, if Trump gets beat in November how does a US trade deal go with Biden?

Are you dictating to others on the forum they aren't entitled to be sceptical? It's embarrassing Old Boy, although unsurprising given the amount there is to be sceptical of about your blue-sky plans where hope is all we need to succeed

At no point have I ever claimed the EU is the centre of the universe. I'm making one simple point here, which you are struggling with apparently so rehashing old debates that expose your own naivety (China trade deal for example).

12 extra months leaves us better prepared to negotiate trade deals ready to go on day 1 at the end of the transition. None of your hope, or optimism, changes that fact.

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I received this from the Government today regarding the changes that will need to be made when the transitional period ends on 31/12/20:

https://www.gov.uk/transition

The idea is that you go through it and tick the different activities that your business/life is involved in. Then, at the end, you can request email updates about what is changing and what will need to be done.

It's a very good idea, but the claim that everything would be easy and run smoothly for businesses from 1/1/21 was clearly a lie.

I have a friend who is originally from Ireland that supported Brexit, ironically, the other day he posted to complain about having to apply to stay in Britain and that him and his family feel now feel insecure. The daft thing is that he won't need to worry as Irish people can come to live here regardless of the EU position.

Another friend now lives in Spain and wanted Brexit too. She posted today that she is worried about what will happen to her in January!

I'm pretty 50/50 with Brexit, and thought that there were good & bad outcomes from choosing to stay in the EU or from leaving. However, it's becoming clear that some of my friends didn't properly think through how leaving would affect them and that leaving isn't going to be as easy as was claimed by Johnson et al.

Of course, it's all going to be made much worse with the forthcoming recession arising from coronavirus that will be the worst that any of us has ever seen in our lifetime.

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I would be keen to see services in the deal as that's a key strength of this country. Too much attention is paid to fishing which accounts for minimal GDP and half the UK shipping fleet has been sold to overseas owners anyway.

I see having a level playing field as working strongly in the UK's favour. We're a rich country with a high minimum wage and until recently, didn't over-interfere in industry. Such rules would actually work in favour by keeping out subsidised, unfair competition from Europe.

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Taking Back Control

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...n-tells-huawei

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I'm only opining as to how geopolitics severely limits our control, especially as we deal with the genuinely big economic players - China, the USA and the EU.

We could find ourselves in a considerably bad position should the USA shift on China, with it's economic leverage I'm sure the Chinese would be more forgiving of a new President being more pragmatic. Would it feel the same about the UK? Or would it feel the whole Huawei, and Hong Kong, situation to be a slur on their character? Who knows.

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Germany and France have ar retaining Huwaei tech. So why has the UK acted differently? From what I've read, the UK explained to China that its actions were tactical to keep the US on board for trade talks but could be amended if Trump was not re-elected, as seems likely.

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Whatever the reason. It is ultimately the right decision.