Cable Forum - Brexit

I think most people would accept I was trying to inject humour into a thread that often lacks it. The notion of Putin personally sitting in the Kremlin with a dossier of candidates vetting them is rather unlikely.

Who funds the Brexit Party is an important question but it's much more likely to be secretive corporate financial interests (nothing new) than the Russian state itself. Conservatives have their donors, Labour have their unions, everyone is buying influence in politics that's the poisonous underbelly of capitalism. As Neil Diamond says "money talks".

I really wouldn't try humour in CF, it's not understood or wanted ;)

OLD BOY

31-05-2019 18:09

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35997413)

I really wouldn't try humour in CF, it's not understood or wanted ;)

That puts paid to practically all of your posts, then, old chap!:D

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35997411)

You've not read the relevant posts properly if that's your conclusion.

Oh, yes I have. Everything needs to be seen in context, even when it discredits your own arguments.

1andrew1

31-05-2019 18:18

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997415)

Oh, yes I have. Everything needs to be seen in context, even when it discredits your own arguments.

lol, it doesn't come across that way as the relevant posts in question don't discredit my arguments.

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People have discussed chlorinated chicken on this thread before in the context of a free trade deal with the US. If anyone's interested, there's a Channel 4 Dispatches programme on the subject on Monday at 8pm.

OLD BOY

31-05-2019 18:27

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35997419)

lol, it doesn't come across that way as the relevant posts in question don't discredit my arguments.

I apologise, Andrew, you were right and I was wrong. With all these posts in quick succession and limitations on my time, I was confusing arguments.

:sorry:

1andrew1

31-05-2019 19:17

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997423)

I apologise, Andrew, you were right and I was wrong. With all these posts in quick succession and limitations on my time, I was confusing arguments.

:sorry:

:tu:

Mr K	03-06-2019 09:29

Re: Brexit

Something to look forward to post Brexit.....

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The US will want business access to the NHS in any post-Brexit trade deal, the US ambassador has said, prompting anger from politicians and campaigners before Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

nomadking

03-06-2019 09:55

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35997716)

Something to look forward to post Brexit.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

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Woody Johnson, who is a close friend of the US president, said every area of the UK economy would be up for discussion when the two sides brokered a trade deal.

Doesn't mean they are insisting on it being part of any agreement.

OLD BOY

03-06-2019 10:17

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35997716)

Something to look forward to post Brexit.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

You shouldn't read too much into that. There are no plans to de-nationalise the health service!

Angua

03-06-2019 12:19

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997720)

You shouldn't read too much into that. There are no plans to de-nationalise the health service!

Can you really see the NHS surviving the onslaught of Trade Deals with the US?

nomadking

03-06-2019 12:23

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35997733)

Can you really see the NHS surviving the onslaught of Trade Deals with the US?

:confused: What are you going on about?

A lot is outside the NHS already, eg GP surgeries and associated services(eg physiotherapy).

Hugh	03-06-2019 13:09

Re: Brexit

Really? GPs may be independent contractors, but they are still part of the NHS - that's like saying because hospitals are Independent Trusts, they aren't part of the NHS.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/gp/

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GPs and practice teams provide vital services for patients. They are at the heart of our communities, the foundation of the NHS.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2019/05/t...cross-england/

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NHS England has recruited 300 more family doctors and thousands more nurses, pharmacists and other staff to work alongside GPs delivering better care in the community.

Angua

03-06-2019 13:13

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35997734)

:confused: What are you going on about?

A lot is outside the NHS already, eg GP surgeries and associated services(eg physiotherapy).

GPs have always been slightly outside NHS control.

What I fear is the NHS sold off piecemeal until nothing is left, then a US style insurance based system imposed. Brexit, leaves us in a weak negotiating position and the US will be circling like sharks to kill off the NHS even sooner.

Hugh	03-06-2019 13:20

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35997716)

Something to look forward to post Brexit.....

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35997717)

Doesn't mean they are insisting on it being part of any agreement.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nhs-pay-drugs/

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Donald Trump is ready to use trade talks to force the National Health Service to pay more for its drugs as part of his scheme to "put American patients first”.

Mr Trump has claimed that the high costs faced by US patients are a direct result of other countries’ health services “freeloading” at America’s expense.

Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States.

heero_yuy

03-06-2019 13:21

Re: Brexit

Whereas staying in the EU:

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Quote from The Express:

Hundreds of papers from the secretive trade talks between the US and EU have been released online.

They appear to confirm fears that the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership talks between Brussels and Washington will, when ratified, lead to the health service being privatised or dismantled.

The documents, obtained by Greenpeace Netherlands, include a US proposal to have a committee with representatives from Washington and Brussels to meet each year “to review state-owned enterprises and monopolies” which would include the NHS.

The committee would meet annually and would not be guaranteed a representative from Britain.

But it would still be able to review state-run services in this country. Its duties would include checking that state services do not “distort” the market.

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