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1andrew1 03-05-2025 09:07
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By snipping my words mid-sentence you've entirely changed its meaning. My sentence was about the impact of adult social care costs on councils.

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If you understood the smallest thing about the impact of adult social care costs on councils and the tough funding choices they make, you would be somewhat less generous in your 'praise'.
Obviously, I'm very sorry about your mother in law.

Councils principally went bankrupt due to a 50% reduction in funding since 2010, the aforementioned hike in adult social care costs and punts on property designed to replace lost central government funding.

I don't pretend all the councils who went bankrupt were perfectly run (eg Woking with its property punts), but there simply isn't any fat left to cut. Reform UK will discover this when they take control of councils but most of Farage's words were more rhetoric and PR than anything else. They're not going to start adding to the real estate to ensure everyone is in five days a week, for example, as this would be too costly.

GrimUpNorth 03-05-2025 14:34
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36195933)
By snipping my words mid-sentence you've entirely changed its meaning. My sentence was about the impact of adult social care costs on councils.



Obviously, I'm very sorry about your mother in law.

Councils principally went bankrupt due to a 50% reduction in funding since 2010, the aforementioned hike in adult social care costs and punts on property designed to replace lost central government funding.

I don't pretend all the councils who went bankrupt were perfectly run (eg Woking with its property punts), but there simply isn't any fat left to cut. Reform UK will discover this when they take control of councils but most of Farage's words were more rhetoric and PR than anything else. They're not going to start adding to the real estate to ensure everyone is in five days a week, for example, as this would be too costly.
One of the few threats the unions have left is to get all the staff turning up at the office, it works and it scares most local councils silly. My employer has cut office space dramatically and used the savings to balance the books for the last few years.

1andrew1 03-05-2025 23:19
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One of the few threats the unions have left is to get all the staff turning up at the office, it works and it scares most local councils silly. My employer has cut office space dramatically and used the savings to balance the books for the last few years.
An anti-strike! :D

GrimUpNorth 04-05-2025 09:47
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An anti-strike! :D
Yeah, they can't dock your pay for turning up for work!

OLD BOY 04-05-2025 16:25
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From what I have seen, most councils have not made any savings as a result of working from home and the desks of the homers are still there, sitting empty most of the time.

Some have, however, but Reform’s redundancy programme should see to that.

RichardCoulter 04-05-2025 17:56
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One of the few threats the unions have left is to get all the staff turning up at the office, it works and it scares most local councils silly. My employer has cut office space dramatically and used the savings to balance the books for the last few years.
Our local authority has done the same, WFH saves the cost of accommodation, heating, lighting, cleaning, insurance etc. The effects of covid enlightened them of the savings to be made.

Anyone who needs to now has to book a desk.

OLD BOY 04-05-2025 18:49
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Our local authority has done the same, WFH saves the cost of accommodation, heating, lighting, cleaning, insurance etc. The effects of covid enlightened them of the savings to be made.

Anyone who needs to now has to book a desk.
That's how it should work.

Mr K 04-05-2025 20:03
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That's how it should work.
And if there are more staff than desks? That is the reality of offices now. They saw an opportunity to save money on office space and grabbed it. You can't put Willy where Willy has nowhere to sit, think there was a song along those lines....

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From what I have seen, most councils have not made any savings as a result of working from home and the desks of the homers are still there, sitting empty most of the time.
Do tell us when you were last working in an Office OB. 1988?

Paul 04-05-2025 21:46
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And if there are more staff than desks?
You counted wrong when you decided how many desks. ;)

1andrew1 04-05-2025 21:56
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From what I have seen, most councils have not made any savings as a result of working from home and the desks of the homers are still there, sitting empty most of the time.

Some have, however, but Reform’s redundancy programme should see to that.
Have you analysed most councils in the UK to reach this conclusion? And I doubt Reform has a redundancy programme, just some rhetoric aimed at their supporters.

Hugh 04-05-2025 23:14
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36195976)
From what I have seen, most councils have not made any savings as a result of working from home and the desks of the homers are still there, sitting empty most of the time.

Some have, however, but Reform’s redundancy programme should see to that.
What have you seen, and can you provide this info to the rest of the forum, please?

(Bearing in mind there are 317 Councils in England, including district, county, metropolitan and unitary authorities along with London boroughs and the City of London Corporation, so "most of" is greatest amount, so at least half+1 - 159 Councils).

Russ 05-05-2025 08:07
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papa smurf 05-05-2025 08:42
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Reform. The gift that keeps on giving
Quite right too the lazy gits

Sephiroth 05-05-2025 09:20
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Papa is right. Unless the councils have a sophisticated team working method, there is no substitute for being in the office in terms of work outcomes.

papa smurf 05-05-2025 09:29
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Papa is right. Unless the councils have a sophisticated team working method, there is no substitute for being in the office in terms of work outcomes.
Lets not forget we pay for these people through our taxes, you get naff all out of councils as it is


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