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Paul 31-07-2023 00:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36157597)
Enjoy Cambodia and Thailand, for some reason I just get the feeling you holiday there.
Thats enough, you were warned last time.
You have been removed from the topic for 7 days.
Seems you cannot discuss this subject without being an ass.

Maggy 31-07-2023 07:09
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36157590)
Fan of noncing are you?

17 / 18. Hey as soon as the clock strikes they’re fair game.

---------- Post added at 22:09 ---------- Previous post was at 22:05 ----------



As I said before Maggy, as a teacher.

If the 60yr old head teacher of your school was paying a 6th form girl for naked photos, you’re on board with that? No worries?

You didn’t answer last time, I’ll wait.
Have been in a situation where the teacher was in his 30s.It was completely legal..Yes I as a teacher I was concerned but at the end he wasn't involved directly in her education and they were two consenting adults.

As for this situation there has been so many red herrings and misinformation from so many muddying the case with so called righteous indignation I'm suspecting it's all about selling newspapers not about any true concern for the 18 year old.

Consider this.An 18 year old can be fighting in the armed services,serving in the police,firefighting,vote,have sexual relations with whomever they choose to and the law doesn't figure in any of those choices unless they are breaking the prostitution laws in the last situation.

When do any of you consider the age of adulthood begins?Are we going to insist that childhood continues until 22,25,30?Just because we are living longer there is no need to insist that childhood lasts longer.

peanut 31-07-2023 07:42
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A lot has changed over the years. An 18 year old a couple of decades ago was considered a adult without question, today's Gen Zs / Millenials with the changes in parenting and attitudes these days an 18 year old are now treated a whole lot differently.

Jaymoss 31-07-2023 09:08
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36157614)
A lot has changed over the years. An 18 year old a couple of decades ago was considered a adult without question, today's Gen Zs / Millenials with the changes in parenting and attitudes these days an 18 year old are now treated a whole lot differently.
Many 18 year olds fought and died in both WWI and WWII

The UK still enlists 16 and 17 year olds but do not deploy them until they are 18

Yet some here still want to consider 18 year olds as children

Damien 31-07-2023 09:28
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I do think 18 is young and that such an age gap is dodgy. I think age gaps become less of a problem when the younger person is older, i.e late 20s, and fully into adulthood.

The focus on legality though is that a lot of what made this a story in the public interest has turned out not to be true. It seems not only were no images exchanged when the person in question was under 18, but Edwards also didn't even meet them until they were 18. It's also clear the person consented and said as much to The Sun which didn't publish that whilst also pushing the 'might be illegal line'. Finally if what Private Eye has said is true and the 'money for drugs' was not part of the original allegations (and certainly not part of the complaint to the BBC) then they can't be classed as vulnerable.

The Sun slammed the BBC for their lack of investigation but, from what we know now, the BBC was told of a relationship between two consenting adults of legal age. You can't suspend someone from their job for a legal relationship because you have qualms about the age gap. The Sun also started a narrative of 'who is the BBC presenter soliciting illegal images from a crack-addicted 17-year-old?' story. The story wasn't 'who is the BBC presenter engaged in a consensual and legal relationship with an inappropriate age gap?'. The reason for that is that is far less obvious that it's in the public interest to root that person out.

OLD BOY 31-07-2023 09:43
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Sephiroth 31-07-2023 10:56
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36157609)
Well being immoral in most instances is not illegal. Sex outside marriage, adultery, viewing porn. I am sure a good portion on this forum have done at least one of those
Nobody said being immoral was illegal. It's all about a respected, austere, public figure doing immoral stuff and being complained about.

ianch99 31-07-2023 11:03
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I think the wider problem here is not what Huw Edwards did or did not do, but rather the ease & degree with which so many people are triggered by the media. We have so many public figures, both living and past, that have had relationships of a dubious nature with their partners but rarely have garnered the sort of outage we see here.

It is as if the population is being directed who to "rage" against. I find this very sinister.

Jaymoss 31-07-2023 11:03
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36157619)
Nobody said being immoral was illegal. It's all about a respected, austere, public figure doing immoral stuff and being complained about.
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone

Sephiroth 31-07-2023 11:19
Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36157621)
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone

So what?

He that is with sin among the great unknown can also cast stones at those with sin who project themselves with gravitas that conceals their immorality.

I guess there are two camps:

1. The misguided woke camp that won't criticise immorality if it's legal.

2. The more reasonably minded old school who might not care so much what people like Edwards do (because they don't know about it) but are aghast when it comes into public view.

What you and your fellow posters avoid is an answer to Pierre's question: If it were your 18 year old son/daughter, would you be OK with what Edwards was doing? Why do you and others avoid answering that? I know why.

peanut 31-07-2023 11:25
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I can't answer the question because I don't have kids. And I don't know all the facts. For all I know it could have been the 18 year who took advantage. After all he made a lot of money out of it all for what, a few pics.

ianch99 31-07-2023 11:34
Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36157622)

So what?

He that is with sin among the great unknown can also cast stones at those with sin who project themselves with gravitas that conceals their immorality.

I guess there are two camps:

1. The misguided woke camp that won't criticise immorality if it's legal.

2. The more reasonably minded old school who might not care so much what people like Edwards do (because they don't know about it) but are aghast when it comes into public view.

What you and your fellow posters avoid is an answer to Pierre's question: If it were your 18 year old son/daughter, would you be OK with what Edwards was doing? Why do you and others avoid answering that? I know why.
A good example of a post based on no objective evidence but following the raging mob:

"I am so angry!! Grrr..."

"Why are you so angry?"

"I just am! I was told that something terrible happened and it must be true! Oh, and what's worse, it something to do with woke! Grrrr ...."

"But the lawyer for the young person said: “For the avoidance of doubt, nothing inappropriate or unlawful has taken place between our client and the BBC personality and the allegations reported in the Sun newspaper are rubbish.”"

"I don't care! I know what I think happened so it must be true! Grrr...."

:p:

Sephiroth 31-07-2023 11:49
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Another one who won't answer Pierre's most fundamental question in morality.

TheDaddy 31-07-2023 11:57
Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36157613)
Have been in a situation where the teacher was in his 30s.It was completely legal..Yes I as a teacher I was concerned but at the end he wasn't involved directly in her education and they were two consenting adults.

As for this situation there has been so many red herrings and misinformation from so many muddying the case with so called righteous indignation I'm suspecting it's all about selling newspapers not about any true concern for the 18 year old.

Consider this.An 18 year old can be fighting in the armed services,serving in the police,firefighting,vote,have sexual relations with whomever they choose to and the law doesn't figure in any of those choices unless they are breaking the prostitution laws in the last situation.

When do any of you consider the age of adulthood begins?Are we going to insist that childhood continues until 22,25,30?Just because we are living longer there is no need to insist that childhood lasts longer.
You sure it was completely legal as I seem to remember from my teacher training that the law says it's illegal for a student and teacher to indulge in a relationship and the example used was exactly as you describe 30+ teacher and 18 year old student

Jaymoss 31-07-2023 12:05
Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36157622)

So what?

He that is with sin among the great unknown can also cast stones at those with sin who project themselves with gravitas that conceals their immorality.

I guess there are two camps:

1. The misguided woke camp that won't criticise immorality if it's legal.

2. The more reasonably minded old school who might not care so much what people like Edwards do (because they don't know about it) but are aghast when it comes into public view.

What you and your fellow posters avoid is an answer to Pierre's question: If it were your 18 year old son/daughter, would you be OK with what Edwards was doing? Why do you and others avoid answering that? I know why.

I did not avoid it. Read back and see my honest answer then apologise


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