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Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36101174)

What's the old military saying, when your enemy is making a mistake, don't stop them

Exactly.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36101185)

Rees Mogg doesn’t own a company that doesn’t own a company that does own a company that makes money in Cayman. He doesn’t get paid by the company he doesn’t own but his wife who doesn‘t own the company works for it and gets wages. He doesn’t get paid by this company but owns 100% of the shares, and gets directors loans of £6,000,000, which he paid total interest of 0.8% (£48k in total) over 3 years, but this isn’t any form of remuneration, just "Directors Loans"…

So he borrowed his own money from his own company and paid it back to himself with interest:shrug:

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36101171)

Whataboutism will not get the current crop of Tory MPs off the hook if they have been found guilty of having their hands on the proverbial cookie jar.

FFS how many threads are on this forum alone about MPs of all colours raping the system for their owns gains.

To try and make this subject just about Tory MPs is laughable, and pretty pathetic.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36101219)

FFS how many threads are on this forum alone about MPs of all colours raping the system for their owns gains.

To try and make this subject just about Tory MPs is laughable, and pretty pathetic.

Just this one.;) Also it started with one Tory(in the title) but has grown to include others from all parties.;)

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36101218)

So he borrowed his own money from his own company and paid it back to himself with interest:shrug:

But didn’t declare it…

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36101198)

I am fully aware that some anti-Boris Conservatives are on the same side as Labour on this subject. They, too, tend to be on the left of the Conservative Party. They’ll get over it.

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You wish!

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I asked you a question (hence the question mark). Has he broken any rules?

Feel free to ignore this question with the usual diversionary tactics if you can’t possibly comment. I’ll understand.

Comment… ;)

From that bastion of the left of the Conservative Party, the Daily Mail…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eap-loans.html

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Jacob Rees-Mogg may have broken rules by 'not declaring £6million in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company'

J acob Rees-Mogg may have breached parliamentary rules by not declaring £6 million in personal loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

He is the first Cabinet Minister to be dragged into the row over MPs’ outside interests, and led the Government’s botched attempt to soften parliamentary sleaze rules.

The Leader of the Commons borrowed up to £2.94 million a year in ‘director’s loans’ from his UK-based Saliston Ltd between 2018 and 2020.

Parliamentary rules require MPs to be ‘open and frank in drawing attention to any relevant interest’.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36101187)

So are you excusing Rees Mogg for not breaking any rules?

Remember the rules are set and maintained by those who support the ultra wealthy paying little or no tax.

The "well, they followed the rules" trope has no merit as a rationale.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36101245)

Remember the rules are set and maintained by those who support the ultra wealthy paying little or no tax.

The "well, they followed the rules" trope has no merit as a rationale.

Especially when they try to change the rules to benefit themselves further...

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36101247)

Especially when they try to change the rules to benefit themselves further...

To benefit MPs on all sides of the house actually. All they want to do is provide a right of appeal within the disciplinary process. It’s no big deal.

I’d have though liberal types such as your good self would applaud that as ‘the right thing to do’ in the name of justice.

Silly me.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36101304)

To benefit MPs on all sides of the house actually.

You’re absolutely right. But seeing as only one side has the power to govern the UK perhaps we should be focussing on them right now?

You know, just a thought.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36101304)

The right thing to do would have been to have resigned in shame saving embarrassing the Government further by getting Boris to whip them to bail him out.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36101337)

The right thing to do would have been to have resigned in shame saving embarrassing the Government further by getting Boris to whip them to bail him out.

Crazy thing is if he'd just manned up at the start he'd have only got a week's suspension, all this bs about an appeals process when if he hadn't been such a dopey pawn it would have amounted to a week off :spin:

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36101337)

The right thing to do would have been to have resigned in shame saving embarrassing the Government further by getting Boris to whip them to bail him out.

Maybe that's exactly what he should have done.

However, once again, a right of appeal isn't a 'bail out'.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

TBH OB, your starting to sound like a broken record.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36101364)

TBH OB, your starting to sound like a broken record.

:tu:

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36101364)

TBH OB, your starting to sound like a broken record.

I thought you'd given me that honour.