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telegramsam 06-09-2020 12:07

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
The BBC will continue to drag it's heels as long as possible to preserve the licence fee but sooner or later it will disappear. The reason it will disappear is because as the older generation dies off the younger generation will not tolerate it. They will pay for streaming services and maybe Sky or Virgin but will like many of us are now question why the BBC should be privileged and get funded compulsory. I believe eventually the BBC will find themselves by adverts and part subscription. Just my opinion and I don't think it will happen anytime soon.

Carth 06-09-2020 12:46

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Most of the 'younger generation' I know watch everything on a 4.7" screen while walking around.

They're not interested in BBC, ITV etc, it's all netflix & youtube, so best of luck chasing a license fee for using a mobile phone ;)

OLD BOY 06-09-2020 13:28

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36048794)
The BBC will continue to drag it's heels as long as possible to preserve the licence fee but sooner or later it will disappear. The reason it will disappear is because as the older generation dies off the younger generation will not tolerate it. They will pay for streaming services and maybe Sky or Virgin but will like many of us are now question why the BBC should be privileged and get funded compulsory. I believe eventually the BBC will find themselves by adverts and part subscription. Just my opinion and I don't think it will happen anytime soon.

I agree, sam. It's just a matter of time before there is a public outcry over this. The only surprising thing is that there are still people who believe the licence fee is here to stay.

I mean, why??!

Oh, yes, I remember, because nothing will ever change. Yeah, right!

telegramsam 06-09-2020 13:56

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36048802)
I agree, sam. It's just a matter of time before there is a public outcry over this. The only surprising thing is that there are still people who believe the licence fee is here to stay.

I mean, why??!

Oh, yes, I remember, because nothing will ever change. Yeah, right!

Yeah as I said it will go eventually and as you said their will be a public outcry. I could even see people refusing to pay like with the Poll tax and forcing the Beebs hand.

Hugh 06-09-2020 14:25

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36048802)
I agree, sam. It's just a matter of time before there is a public outcry over this. The only surprising thing is that there are still people who believe the licence fee is here to stay.

I mean, why??!

Oh, yes, I remember, because nothing will ever change. Yeah, right!

Love when you quote a position that no one has put forward - if only there was a name for that type of fallacy?

Sephiroth 06-09-2020 14:42

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048810)
Love when you quote a position that no one has put forward - if only there was a name for that type of fallacy?

I name that fallacy “Hugh”.

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RichardCoulter 06-09-2020 18:32

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36048796)
Most of the 'younger generation' I know watch everything on a 4.7" screen while walking around.

They're not interested in BBC, ITV etc, it's all netflix & youtube, so best of luck chasing a license fee for using a mobile phone ;)

Exactly. The advent of new technology has made the TVL difficult to enforce. To legally watch TV on a mobile device, you need to:

- Have a valid TVL at your home address.

- Be in an establishment that has a valid TVL eg a friends house or a pub.

- Watching it with someone who has a valid TVL.

I imagine that most won't be breaking the law, but if they aren't, as it stands, they will never be caught.

Each morning TVL inspectors receive a list of unlicensed addresses to visit and can only visit these addresses. They can't visit a house that they notice is now occupied or a new build that has been occupied (though they can pass these details on to their manager).

They most certainly can't approach an individual in the street who is watching live TV or the iPlayer to check if they are covered by a TVL.

pip08456 06-09-2020 18:57

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36048841)
Exactly. The advent of new technology has made the TVL difficult to enforce. To legally watch TV on a mobile device, you need to:

- Have a valid TVL at your home address.

- Be in an establishment that has a valid TVL eg a friends house or a pub.

- Watching it with someone who has a valid TVL.

I imagine that most won't be breaking the law, but if they aren't, as it stands, they will never be caught.

Each morning TVL inspectors receive a list of unlicensed addresses to visit and can only visit these addresses. They can't visit a house that they notice is now occupied or a new build that has been occupied (though they can pass these details on to their manager).

They most certainly can't approach an individual in the street who is watching live TV or the iPlayer to check if they are coveted by a TVL.

They visited me once a few years ago, had a look and even though I gave them permission to check my PC declined and admitted I don't need one (I don't watch live UK TV).

Since then I have recieved numerous begging letters from Bristol, always answered (online) "You are welcome to come and inspect anytime".

I'm still waiting, even if they do they will come to the same conclusion.

OLD BOY 06-09-2020 23:18

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048810)
Love when you quote a position that no one has put forward - if only there was a name for that type of fallacy?

I think you may have missed rather a lot of posts, Hugh. Either that, or your memory is on the blink!:D

Sephiroth 06-09-2020 23:27

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36048860)
I think you may have missed rather a lot of posts, Hugh. Either that, or your memory is on the blink!:D

Nah. Either Hugh loves the BBC or he doesn't love you (and certainly not me!).

The DG has a lot of work to do. My understanding is that the previous DG, whilst crapping on the pensioners, wanted to move programmes away from appeal to the older population and draw in the younger. I hope the new DG sees the folly of any assumption that the BBC cab appeal to younger people who would hardly be seen in front of a TV unti much later in life - if then at all.

The licence cannot last indefinitely. OB is absolutely right.


Hugh 07-09-2020 00:21

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36048860)
I think you may have missed rather a lot of posts, Hugh. Either that, or your memory is on the blink!:D

People have said they like the BBC, and don’t mind paying the licence - that is not the same as saying people have said "nothing will ever change"...

Nice try, though...

1andrew1 07-09-2020 08:37

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048810)
Love when you quote a position that no one has put forward - if only there was a name for that type of fallacy?

Maybe, just maybe this? ;)
https://youtu.be/hfil34ayaEU

papa smurf 07-09-2020 08:42

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048866)
People have said they like the BBC, and don’t mind paying the licence - that is not the same as saying people have said "nothing will ever change"...

Nice try, though...

can you name them?

GrimUpNorth 07-09-2020 09:37

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36048878)
can you name them?

There's a few named here ;):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lzS8yW8INA

1andrew1 07-09-2020 10:16

Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Until someone devises a way of funding the BBC that's not through advertising or subscription, I can't see things changing under the current government and BBC Director General.
The middle way seems to be as per now - contain costs and maximise content sales which should lead to sub-inflation rises in the licence fee. Then make a bit of noise about other solutions whilst not rocking the boat too much for BBC 2/4, Radio 3/4-loving Conservative voters. (Deliberate cliches)


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