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Well he tells it as he sees it. I must agree with him though.

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That Commons Rule book looks an absolute disaster for Britain - what the hell is May thinking of here... Davis says it would hand large swathes of our Economy to the EU.... and we have no say on policies they could introduce in the future, this is not leaving the EU it's handing them more power, surely no Remainer would have this shit ?

Sorry but May has to go, she has completely lost the plot here, a weak and feeble thicko!

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May's letter of response back to David Davis:-

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...12436389273605

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It was inevitable and he won't be the last.

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Pretty sure a certain someone will come along soon to defend her to the hilt no matter what.

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Beware Brutus might strike again before long Andrew.

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Most definitely as politicians are clever at picking the most opportune moment.

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The General election result did that.

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In the old days this country was extremely good at organising things but sadly we could not organise a piss up in a brewery now and that pains me.

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The person heading Vote Leave, Dominic Cummings, made it a strategy not to have a plan for leaving as he didn't want the debate into specifics. That meant any trade-off would not be debated and allow them to unite different visions of Brexit.

In the end they didn't have any particular vision for Brexit and neither did Remain. So here we are.

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It's OK though as any sensible government would work to establish its' position on leaving the EU, get all the i's dotted and t's crossed, make sure there's no distracting elections in the way and then invoke article 50, handing over the governments position to the EU at that point. That gives a good clear 2 years of negotiation with a clear starting point and a desired end point.

Oh wait....

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What does the EU want from all this? Apart from our money, to tell us what we can and cannot do, and to send us further hordes of people, especially criminals, from the likes of Turkey, Albania, and Ukraine?

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Jacob Rees-Mogg on LBC this morning...

Was asked if he would vote in a No confidence motion against PM, said he would not, his beef was with the policy, was asked if he felt same as Boris Iohnson and the chequers Brexit strategy was a “Polished turd”, said he wouldn’t use that kind of terminology, was asked what he would use, said “Not Brexit.”.

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The EU bosses do not want to make it easy for any country to leave their cabal because that threatens their power and income.

Leaders of poorer EU countries do not want the UK to leave as that would mean a drop in the free money they are receiving.

So any arrangement for the UK to leave must be seen to punish at least financially to put other countries off the idea of leaving.

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Well, considering none of those countries are in the EU, probably not...

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BREAKING: Dominic Raab New Brexit Secretary.

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Any agreement with the EU as an entity includes any countries current AND future and any countries they have an agreement with. That includes any special privileges that the EU hands out with regards visa requirements.

April 2018

Nov 1017

Just look at the changes in the last 20 years.


Still leaves the central question of what does the EU want from us?

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I think most Brexiteers just wanted to leave on WTO terms.

The idea of having an agreement to secure tariff free, frictionless trade with the EU was a good one, but this was more complicated than a simple 'Brexit', but unfortunately it looks like it was doomed to failure from the start.

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I think you are now being revisionist based on where it looks like we will now end up. People voted Leave with a variety of outcomes in mind. Some would welcome Mrs May's 'soft-ish" Brexit although it almost certainly will be made "softer" once it undergoes the to's & fro's of EU negotiations.

The hard Brexit you now seek was never put before the voters by the official Leave campaign:

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/campaign.html

It is disingenuous to now claim that Leavers, en-masse, wanted a hard Brexit under WTO rules with all the economic damage that would deliver.

A lot of Leavers did not vote to be poorer and they were promised they would not be.

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Vote to be poorer is a Remainer made up myth.

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Seems Boris has resigned ...