Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 

The information was out there, but I didn't get your line about they didn't know who'd paid for dossier ?

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Here is a breakdown: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nunes-m...-live-updates/

It doesn’t seem the memo alleges are laws were broken but that the FBI displayed bias because they didn’t mention the source of the document and because of the text messages.

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The central allegation appears to be that the FBI knew but they didn’t tell the court that when applying for the warrant.

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The last paragraph says the Russian investigation was already underway...

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presi...ry?id=52797457

So the question is will Rosenstein be fired for renewing the warrant?

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It now makes sense why a criminal referral was launched by two Republican Senators for former British Spy, Steele, for lying to the FBI about his contacts with American Media, the FBI terminated Steele due to becoming an unreliable source and committing a cardinal sin of leaking to the media.

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I have uploaded the declassified memo here...

Note that the Memo is just a snap shot of information, bullet points, it's not everything, I have read that the Office of Inspector General, his report is far more extensive and is forthcoming soon.

I am not sure I understand why the Democrats were saying this is a risk to National Security or will create a Constitutional Crisis...

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Quite right wing websites reaction: https://www.dailywire.com/news/26693...se-ben-shapiro

Quite left wing reaction: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...-memo?ref=home

I don't understand why the Democrats where that angry unless the memo was watered down since. It's not great for Steele or the FBI though. Unless there really is something left out of the memo.

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In my view, the Memo doesn't reveal anything I already hadn't suspected.

It just explains some things in finer detail, like Comey signed some of those FISA Applications knowing the source (Christopher Steele) or justification for the FISA warrant, was not credible.

Other information to report: Carter Page has stated tonight, after the Memo's release he is updating his lawsuits against the media.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 

It' gone from believing that it was true, to having it officially confirmed as true re the FISA warrant Steele input

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So they got a warrant a couple of weeks before the election on someone who no longer was part of the Trump Campaign, and then did nothing with any info gathered to affect the Election outcome?

Worst Conspiracy ever...

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 

You are wrong, as usual.

They renewed the FISA warrant 3 times in a period during the election and past Trump's inauguration.

You missed the word in the bolded bit above, the word, illegally!

That's a major issue and hardly just a conspiracy. Abusing the FISA Courts to SPY, illegally!

The Memo was highlighting this issue mainly.

You do know the Judiciary Committee chair Chuck Grassley has a memo on Steele, the FBI & Russia dossier also, they are working to declassify?

Their memo is set to be released shortly too, then there is the big grand prize, the OIG report. This addresses what he found with the Strzok text messages and 'Insurance Policy' that was discussed in Andrew McCabe's office, you know the same Andrew McCabe, deputy director, given his marching orders by Director Wray, earlier this week. Again, hardly just a conspiracy as you wrongly suggest.

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I'm not a lawyer and even if I was I wouldn't know the inner workings of FISA courts but according the the CBS link above it doesn't allege a federal crime. Maybe it's not illegal to omit things in warrant applications just bad behaviour?

All this is also if we're taking the Republicans at their word that the memo doesn't exclude anything. If, for example, the warrant contained other information then the circumstances might change.

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Never mind Hugh there's a few of us that are 'wrong as usual' ! It's a select club, enjoy :D

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I think the rule of thumb is that the chances of a cock-up exceed the chances of a conspiracy.

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It’s not about just omitting things, it’s what was used to justify using FISA. What’s being alleged is, they were using a phony and weak unsubstantiated source and then using a media report on the Dossier, in the case, ‘Yahoo News’ to corroborate it, on the FISA Application, when it was Steele who covertly leaked to Yahoo, then got found out he did that. I would say is illegal, but I’m not only one saying it it’s obtaining the FISA illegitimately, to then spy on an American, Carter Page.

Carter Page himself has asked to see the FISA Application on him, he put in a Freedom of information request to the Department of justice and he’s heard nothing back for months.

The fundamental purpose it seems and what appears, is that a coup d'etat, was being attempted, to delegitimise, the duly elected President of the United States. That’s a treasonous act.

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When I levy that at you, it’s usually because you are or have been wrong, multiple times, simples.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 

You also missed out a word...

"Allegedly"

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No, wrong again. Evidence, sources and documentation exists remember to back up what’s in the memo. The methods of evidence gathering has obviously been removed.