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figgyburn 30-07-2015 14:33
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Now the politically correct word police are on the warpath again.Where does this politically correct madness end?

Osem 30-07-2015 15:11
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35791172)
The open door immigration party speaks up. :rolleyes: They're responsible for making the UK a magnet to every chancer who wants a better life. Hypocrites.
Totally. They talk tough when it suits (normally around election time) but beneath all the rhetoric is the same old attitude towards mass immigration and the obsession with social engineering which lies behind it.

Given that Labour hasn't suggested that beefing up security in order to keep illegals penned up in squalor in Calais is wrong, I can only assume they agree with the policy and are more concerned about point scoring with regard to the the PM's chosen collective noun than any human suffering or long term security risk they pose to the UK and what Labour would do about it.
:rolleyes:

What those who say we should let them in refuse to acknowledge is the undeniable truth that we could let them all in tomorrow and even more would come, heartened by the news that getting into the UK had just been made easier. How many times could/should/would we be able to do this? The only real argument is about numbers isn't it? So my question to the 'let them in' brigade is what will they say to those who continue to come after the acceptable limit we've decided upon has been reached? Telling them we're full won't work, they'll continue to come in ever increasing numbers and they'll be mainly young men who'll increasingly distort the demographics of this country. It's rather like aggressive begging - you start out giving a little food or cash to someone and then they come to expect more. You give more and the word gets around so more people come. More needy people all of whom might deserve help but what do you do? What do you tell those you don't want to help and how would you feel if they decided to intimidate and threaten you into giving them more? Right now that's what we're facing in the EU and nobody seems willing to bite the bullet and acknowledge it can't be allowed to carry on let alone start tackling it.

Arthurgray50@blu 30-07-2015 17:55
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Isnt it strange that, there is all talk about the problems in Calais and at Dover.

And yet, they plan on putting up fencing, almost certainly will get pulled down. And yet, they can send in armed forces to protect the drivers. Who must be going through hell.

I personally think that the army or Navy for that matter, will ONLY be brought in if Haulage firms, say enough is enough and we will take legal action - which they can do.

If a company is prevented from proceeding his lawful way for work, and this is what drivers and haulage companies are doing - then l believe they can sue for damages.

And its the Government at fault for not doing enough to protect the innocent - am sure someone will tell me l am wrong

ALSO, what the government can do, is build fencing that is in prisons

Taf 30-07-2015 18:34
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Think of lorry drivers stuck in Operation Stack for days on end.

Arthurgray50@blu 30-07-2015 18:45
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Taf, totally agree with you

Sirius 30-07-2015 19:28
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Dam right there a swarm and there going to get bigger as the last groups that landed in Italy arrive . I now await the politically correct bunch to turn up and tell me what a bad man i am. Should i not be around when you get here this is my reply :upyours:

Osem 30-07-2015 19:32
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And this is what all the denial is causing in Germany:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33700624

Still, let's not worry about any of that. Let's just carry on pretending that it'll all be OK and any amount of migrants can be happily absorbed... :rolleyes:

mrmistoffelees 30-07-2015 23:08
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Let's put this here for the 'they come to England for the benefits' mob

http://mashable.com/2015/07/29/migra...lais-uk-myths/

Let's see you argue your way out of this one

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100,000 estimated crossing the med to Europe 3000 estimated in Calais

Not exactly a huge percentage is it ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35791227)
Think of lorry drivers stuck in Operation Stack for days on end.
In their comfortable cabs with beds TV hot food toilets? An inconvenience

And the people in the make shift camps in Calais we just don't give a **** about ?

Hang on what happens if a lorry driver is polish ? Do we feel for them then ? Or is it just British lorry drivers ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35791225)
Isnt it strange that, there is all talk about the problems in Calais and at Dover.

And yet, they plan on putting up fencing, almost certainly will get pulled down. And yet, they can send in armed forces to protect the drivers. Who must be going through hell.

I personally think that the army or Navy for that matter, will ONLY be brought in if Haulage firms, say enough is enough and we will take legal action - which they can do.

If a company is prevented from proceeding his lawful way for work, and this is what drivers and haulage companies are doing - then l believe they can sue for damages.

And its the Government at fault for not doing enough to protect the innocent - am sure someone will tell me l am wrong

ALSO, what the government can do, is build fencing that is in prisons
Aaaah Arthur yet more wistful crap gushes forth from your mouth

Jimmy-J 30-07-2015 23:11
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Maybe they are all coming because of how great our country is... :D

Quote:
This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.
lol

nomadking 31-07-2015 00:18
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How is the number of recorded asylum seekers relevant? They only seek asylum once caught. Once they get this side of the channel, they are not turning themselves in. They seem to go to an awful lot of trouble not to get caught, so they must be doing BETTER than if they claimed asylum.

From 2010
Quote:
A family of former asylum-seekers from Somalia are living in a £2.1million luxury townhouse in one of Britain's most exclusive addresses at a cost to taxpayers of £8,000 a month.
...
Mr Nur said his former five-bedroom home in the Kensal Rise area of Brent, which cost £900 a week in housing benefit, was suitable for the family's needs but he said they had felt compelled to move because they did not like living 'in a very poor area' and were unhappy with the quality of local shops and schools.
January 2014
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Asylum seekers given homes and benefits were found to have iPads, mobile phones and flat screen televisions despite claiming they were "destitute", a report has found. The National Audit Office found migrants seeking permanent asylum in Britain were earning an income above legal levels required for them to be given housing and pay-outs. The report warned that these families were taking flats and houses from those asylum seekers whose need was far greater.
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Dispersal accommodation is typically a flat or shared house in which the asylumseeker is provided with bedding and basic kitchen equipment as well as basic furniture and access to cooking and washing facilities.

mrmistoffelees 31-07-2015 07:31
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35791299)
How is the number of recorded asylum seekers relevant? They only seek asylum once caught. Once they get this side of the channel, they are not turning themselves in. They seem to go to an awful lot of trouble not to get caught, so they must be doing BETTER than if they claimed asylum.

From 2010
January 2014
If they don't get caught then they're therefore illegal yes ? Well illegal immigrants get no benefits

Listening to radio 4 this morning I think it was Kent social services saying about the number of asylum applications made by those under the age of 18 some as young as 12 has gone up five fold that have come via the camps in Calais.

most of them suffering from stress or ptsd mental health issues

Should we leave people who are basically children to rot in the squalor of Calais ?

nomadking 31-07-2015 08:07
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35791311)
If they don't get caught then they're therefore illegal yes ? Well illegal immigrants get no benefits

Listening to radio 4 this morning I think it was Kent social services saying about the number of asylum applications made by those under the age of 18 some as young as 12 has gone up five fold that have come via the camps in Calais.

most of them suffering from stress or ptsd mental health issues

Should we leave people who are basically children to rot in the squalor of Calais ?
If they are not yet discovered then they are not in any figures.

Still doesn't address the FACT that if as illegals they have no money or accommodation, that they choose to stay that way rather than, get some income and housing from claiming asylum.

Claiming to be under 18 is a well known scam as they are put into foster care and then have a tendency to disappear. Even those that stay in foster care have a cushy number.

So stressed and yet they still made it all this way.:rolleyes:

Their parents AND the French abandoned them.

Osem 31-07-2015 08:12
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Delaying their applications for asylum is a good tactic - they can disappear and work for as long as it takes for them to be caught and then commence the protracted asylum process. The longer they can stay here the less likely it is that they'll ever be returned...

And as for the 'record amounts of unaccompanied minors' getting through the tunnel - I wonder how many are simply claiming to be minors. As anyone who's ever bothered to watch any of the immigration related documentaries will know, that's a standard technique for misleading the authorities too and when someone makes such a claim it has to be taken seriously even if the person appears to be older than they're claiming.

We really do have to stop making excuses for people who are in a perfectly safe country and could/should claim asylum there. The conditions they're currently suffering are of their own making and as a result of their own choices and I fail to see why we should treat them with more sympathy than the genuine refugees stuck in tents in places like Turkey. The only danger the migrants in Calais are in is the danger the cause to themselves and others but the reality is that they know the French system is a lot tougher to abuse than ours and that's the only reason they want to come here. I'm sorry but nowhere in the relevant law does it give illegal migrants the right to choose where they want to live or claim asylum.

Does anyone really believe that anyone stuck in Calais who's a couple of years (maybe even more) over 16, for example, is really going to admit it when they get here, knowing how much harder that will make the process they'll be going through? They're suddenly going to abide by the rules they've been ignoring for so long? Soooo much easier to say you're a minor and to hell with it. There's no punishment for making any such false claim so you have nothing to lose and a great deal to gain. Wake up and smell the coffee folks...

mrmistoffelees 31-07-2015 10:51
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35791312)
If they are not yet discovered then they are not in any figures.

Still doesn't address the FACT that if as illegals they have no money or accommodation, that they choose to stay that way rather than, get some income and housing from claiming asylum.

Claiming to be under 18 is a well known scam as they are put into foster care and then have a tendency to disappear. Even those that stay in foster care have a cushy number.

So stressed and yet they still made it all this way.:rolleyes:

Their parents AND the French abandoned them.
So, we abandon them too? Right?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35791314)
Delaying their applications for asylum is a good tactic - they can disappear and work for as long as it takes for them to be caught and then commence the protracted asylum process. The longer they can stay here the less likely it is that they'll ever be returned...

And as for the 'record amounts of unaccompanied minors' getting through the tunnel - I wonder how many are simply claiming to be minors. As anyone who's ever bothered to watch any of the immigration related documentaries will know, that's a standard technique for misleading the authorities too and when someone makes such a claim it has to be taken seriously even if the person appears to be older than they're claiming.

We really do have to stop making excuses for people who are in a perfectly safe country and could/should claim asylum there. The conditions they're currently suffering are of their own making and as a result of their own choices and I fail to see why we should treat them with more sympathy than the genuine refugees stuck in tents in places like Turkey. The only danger the migrants in Calais are in is the danger the cause to themselves and others but the reality is that they know the French system is a lot tougher to abuse than ours and that's the only reason they want to come here. I'm sorry but nowhere in the relevant law does it give illegal migrants the right to choose where they want to live or claim asylum.

Does anyone really believe that anyone stuck in Calais who's a couple of years (maybe even more) over 16, for example, is really going to admit it when they get here, knowing how much harder that will make the process they'll be going through? They're suddenly going to abide by the rules they've been ignoring for so long? Soooo much easier to say you're a minor and to hell with it. There's no punishment for making any such false claim so you have nothing to lose and a great deal to gain. Wake up and smell the coffee folks...

What a load of twaddle, do you actually believe the words, no sorry not words, complete and utter crap you're spouting?

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http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploa...es-Problem.jpg

Seems to pretty much sum some people up on this thread.

nomadking 31-07-2015 11:46
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Quote:
Immigrants who lie about their age are being placed in Kent schools alongside pupils as young as 11, KentOnline can reveal.
Headteachers in Canterbury have disclosed that men in their 20s claiming asylum are being dishonest about their ages - prompting concern over the safety of children in schools.
It is the latest alarming twist in the immigration crisis engulfing Kent as thousands of people pour into the county from the continent each month.
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Every year, thousands of children arrive unaccompanied in the EU through the Mediterranean and other routes. Some are intentionally separated from their families by traffickers or smugglers that will later try to profit from their high level of vulnerability. In 2014, the number of unaccompanied children who applied for asylum almost doubled compared to the previous year, reaching 23,000. 2,240 of them were aged less than 14 years old, which has also doubled since last year. However, not all unaccompanied children are asylum seekers, and inconsistent data management prevents us from knowing the full extent of the presence of unaccompanied children in the EU.
What we do know, is that estimates suggest that up to 50% of unaccompanied migrant children vanish yearly from reception centers in Belgium, France, Spain and Switzerland. We know that in Italy 3.707 registered unaccompanied migrant children went missing in 2014, and many more before registration. We also know that the situation is not better in the so-called “destination countries”: In the UK, 60% of the unaccompanied children accommodated in social care centers in 2010 were estimated to have gone missing and were not found again according to the British Asylum Screening Unit. In Sweden, 374 children disappeared last year and only 59 have been tracked down.
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The majority of children who go missing in Croydon are looked after by foster parents and between the ages of 16 and 17. Asylum-seeking children who arrive in the UK unaccompanied by family or friends are also the most likely to go missing.


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