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With all due respect Chamberlain may have been short sighted about the Nazis intentions but that was due to the fact that he didn't want another Great War so soon after WW1 and was looking for a peaceful solution

It's such a slur to say or infer that he was a Nazi sympathiser..:rolleyes:

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Thank you nomadking. That is what I referred to before. So why did SMG tell me to read my history?

I don't see how Islam4UK are equal to Nazi Germany or that recognising their right to protest is equal to appeasement.

I suspect it was an attempt to avoid answering my points in favour of dismissing them in the most patronising way possible or that I missed some minor point about Chamberlain that was actually relevant to this topic. Unless of course Islam4UK have revealed plans to take over Czechoslovakia?

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I have said this all along, if any Muslim causes aggro and it breaks the law, deport them, if they were born in this country, still deport them. If they cannot live by our laws, then so be it, and before members get on the bandwagon about, it is there right to protest, IF they break the law, then they have broken that 'freedom of speech' they would not get away with it in any other country, then don't do it here.

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Fair enough that breaking the law is not protected under freedom of speech but why deport Muslims who commit crimes even if they were born here? What about Christians who commit crimes who were born here?

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Deport them because they're Muslim criminals? Does that mean criminals with no religious leanings can stay in the country?

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Damien, l think you are taking things out of context, Muslim extremists are protesting against the UK fighting for the freedom of others, and yet these extemists are trying to walk down the high street of Wooton with empty coffins, this is a grave insult to the hero's returning.

It has nothing to do with the general public who are innocent people, BUT it is almost certain that these members of the town, won't like it and this will cause aggro,

This country is proud of the 'freedom of speech' that we have, but all the extremeist wants to do is cause trouble - and possible bloodshed. This country is very soft, and it is always the inncocent that gets arrested, while the extremist will get away with it. I still maintain that if they break the law by walking through the town, whilst a ban is in force, then that is it as far as l am concerned.

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Unless you are prepared to deport anyone who breaks the law and not just muslims then what you are saying is singularly racist and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Just because protestors "would not get away with it (whatever "it" is) in any other country" does not give you the right to deport them. After all, as several posters on here often like to remind us when it comes to the behaviours of other countries "it's their country, their rules".

In this instance (the UK) it's the UK's rules and those rules include the right to protest, the right to free association and the right to free speech and the right to a fair trial in the event that they are accused of breaking the law (which is different from exercising a fundamental right I might add) - irrespective of whether you agree with their opinions or law abiding actions or not.

If you don't like the rules then perhaps you should consider re-locating to a country whose disregard for such rights is more in tune with your line of thought?

As I stated earlier - I don't believe that this march was ever intended to take place but rather that it was designed to stir up naked aggression against muslims in the UK in order that it might be exposed to the world. Those who are foolish enough to vent their (for the greater part) ill informed rhetoric in this thread are doing the job admirably for them.

Leave islam4uk alone, starve them of the oxygen of vapid and rabid publicity which they and their supporters so obviously crave, and they will crawl back under their respective rocks.

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Mr Angry, First of all l am NOT RACIST, what l am saying IF they break the law, then this is what should happen, IF anyone breaks the law then you should be punished for it, IF they are visitors to this country on a Visa, then they have broken that visa, and therefore, should be deported.

I live near the Harmondsworth detention centre, and twice a week, a plane takes deportees back to the own country as they have have broken the law or they are not allowed to be here, we pay our taxes for that. ANYONE can protest - legally in silence, BUT if they cause trouble, this is breaking the law, then so be it.

Are you saying that they are quite legally entitled to cause trouble and get away with it.

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Yes of course if someone breaks the law they ought to be punished but why whould the punishment for Muslims be deportation? Why should Muslims get a different punishment from Christians?

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Arthur, with all due respect, what you said in relation to muslims was;

"if they were born in this country, still deport them."

That is quite different to deporting someone to "their own country" when they have broken a law which warrants the need to do so.

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No one is saying people don't have a right to protest or demonstrate only that there are place's and ways of doing it and this group doing it in wootton bassett is not the way in any shape or form. As i have said repeatedly i am more then happy for I4UK or any other group to go protest our involvement in afghanistan or iraq in london or anywhere officially associatted with either the government or even gordon brown go protest outside chequers but not wootton bassett.

Is that so hard for a couple of you to understand there is no talk about removing a right only in limiting it for the good of the vast vast majority. Other then this grouip no one else even wants this march and given this group represent such a tiny litlle minority is it really so bad to tell them "not in that place, go to london". Like it or not we are not the great multicultural society that some would like to believe we have in some place's horrendous tensions and anything that could heighten those and maybe cause injury or abuse to another person should not be allowed to go ahead.

This group would be quite happy to have us all at each other's throats and attacking ourselves i am not prepared to honour any right to people like that and am not prepared to support them in any rights they may claim to have but would happily deny everyone if they could. Most muslims in this country are peace loving and have a love for the UK and do not wish to be associatted with groups such as these and shouldn't have to suffer any negative affects because fo a tiny bunch of traitorous morons.

This may be for some of you one little protest that doesn't mean anything but it has the potential to do so much damage to many many people that do not deserve it and that's yet another reason to stop it before it gets going. In fact the reasons to prevent this far far outnumber the reasons to allow it and the reasons for not allowing are not all little englander xenophobic reasons there are genuine concerns amongst many including the muslim community in letting this go ahead.

So far i havn't read a single reason that is good enough to allow this to go ahead given what it may cause in the wider country.

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Why, we don't have to let them in, ship 'em straight of again

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Rizzy, I understand and sympathise with what you are saying, but should the same rules apply if the BNP or EDL want to march outside a Mosque to be provocative?

(I ask this, as I remember the Orange Walk marchers/band stopping outside Catholic churches for five/ten minutes, blaring out anti-Catholic songs, at a time during their marches through Glasgow, being equally provocative).

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Mr Angry, Let me outline the point of 'there own country' If muslim extremist cause problems, and they were born here, then surely there own family must know what is going on, and should be prepared to stop this stupidy.

There are many muslim families in this country that are grateful for the help and support this country gives them, l have no problem with that, what my point is, if that person comes from a family that holds the same view as the protestor, then that is it.

We have to draw the line, this is why there are so many problems in this country, and the government just sits there and allows it to carry on,

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Umm Arthur? Can you answer my questions in posts 306 and 310 please?