Re: The existence of God
 

about half an hour ago I was just thinking of suggesting we got on topic and here we are back on topic.

Well done...;)

Re: The existence of God
 

Dark matter, dark energy - these have been postulated to fill the gaps; whats the difference between these and "faith".

Re: The existence of God
 

Why?

It's this old spin trick: "Look the scientists are uncertain - they know they are WRONG!"

or

"LOOK the scientists are unquestioning - they are dogmatic!"

Re: The existence of God
 

If you specifically don't want to see it then you never will.

Re: The existence of God
 

No one has said they are wrong - they are saying why don't we look at other options.

It would appear it is (imho) you who are "spinning" by trying to make everything black and white, when it is, again imho, a voyage of discovery.

Re: The existence of God
 

Yes and no. Dark matter and dark energy are name for the numbers we use to balance the equations to make them work with what we see. We know something is causing these effect we just don't know what.

Or the laws are wrong, in which case we need to discover new ones.

Re: The existence of God
 

... because I suspect there wisnae a trace of irony intended when you posted, in a thread about the existence of God, that questions about the origin of the universe are "... an issue for physicists, I'm failing to see how god comes into it."

;)

Re: The existence of God
 

Well even if we find a perfect answer that does not "disprove god". Even if god did do it there's no reason we can't discover "how".

This is god of the gaps theology.

Re: The existence of God
 

I'm sorry, you obviously can't see the irony in that statement - it would appear it alright for physicists to have "faith" in something that "makes things work", but not for others to have a different sort of "faith".

Re: The existence of God
 

What do you think cosmologists are doing? People are paid to do this. They don't sit on their asses or go out preaching preexisting conclusions.

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Yes and no, there is a PHYSICAL measurable number of unknown origin.

If you loose £100 from your bank account, do you go looking for where it went or do you shrug and say it was an act of god? Or do you say there is no money missing?

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And we don't have faith in dark matter its a name given to something we have yet to find out.

And we are looking.

Re: The existence of God
 

Sounds fairly like preaching preexisting conclusions..... :D
btw, I think cosmologists are mainly "sitting on their asses" - they sure aren't out at the Large Magellanic Cloud.....;)

Re: The existence of God
 

False dilemma.

And please have a read of this. ;)

Re: The existence of God
 

True, you could do nothing at all or go into denial.

Re: The existence of God
 

Or you could accept that it's perfectly possible for you to do both - that is, go looking for it, whilst believing the original theft to be an 'act of God'. ;)

Re: The existence of God
 

There are multiple reasons for why someone is denied funding. They maybe untalented or the committee has no confidence they will find anything.

Perhaps I should qualify what I said. There are of course always alternatives, but to be taken seriously they must account for known observations and make correct predictions the existing one can't

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Well you could, or you could suppose that the banking system or the rules of arithmetic have spontaneously failed.