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Chris 09-10-2025 18:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36204419)
If Obama got one whilst continuing to prosecute two wars, then I think Trump should be ok.
Obama was the first black president of the USA and the committee got carried away with the idea of what that *might* mean for racial peace and harmony. In effect, they gave him the prize on credit. It was an obvious error, and one I’m certain they will be delighted not to repeat with the USA’s first orange president.

papa smurf 10-10-2025 13:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Great news about the Nobel peace prize ,Trump's not getting it.

Chris 10-10-2025 13:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
And in a truly epic piece of trolling, they’ve given it to a Venezuelan.

Hugh 10-10-2025 14:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1760099085

Hugh 10-10-2025 14:29
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36204431)
And in a truly epic piece of trolling, they’ve given it to a Venezuelan.
All joking aside, in order to be considered for the award of the year, nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize shall be sent in to the Norwegian Nobel Committee in Oslo before the 1st day of February the same year.

Sephiroth 10-10-2025 14:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Someone’s for the chop for not lodging a nomination on the day Trump took office. After all, within 24 hours of that the Ukraine - Russia war woukld have been resolved. Innit?

papa smurf 10-10-2025 14:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
And he stopped the war in Abbaburgervan

1andrew1 10-10-2025 14:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
EU and UK should let Trump know that if the Gaza peace deal is a success and he gets peace for Ukraine by the end of January, they will all nominate him.

Chris 10-10-2025 15:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204437)
All joking aside, in order to be considered for the award of the year, nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize shall be sent in to the Norwegian Nobel Committee in Oslo before the 1st day of February the same year.
Joyously, that’s not how the diaper’d orange baby will see it.

Hugh 10-10-2025 18:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Who could have seen this coming?

(from Truth Social)

Quote:
"Some very strange things are happening in China! They are becoming very hostile, and sending letters to Countries throughout the World, that they want to impose Export Controls on each and every element of production having to do with Rare Earths, and virtually anything else they can think of, even if it’s not manufactured in China. Nobody has ever seen anything like this but, essentially, it would “clog” the Markets, and make life difficult for virtually every Country in the World, especially for China. We have been contacted by other Countries who are extremely angry at this great Trade hostility, which came out of nowhere. Our relationship with China over the past six months has been a very good one, thereby making this move on Trade an even more surprising one. I have always felt that they’ve been lying in wait, and now, as usual, I have been proven right! There is no way that China should be allowed to hold the World “captive,” but that seems to have been their plan for quite some time, starting with the “Magnets” and, other Elements that they have quietly amassed into somewhat of a Monopoly position, a rather sinister and hostile move, to say the least. But the U.S. has Monopoly positions also, much stronger and more far reaching than China’s. I have just not chosen to use them, there was never a reason for me to do so — UNTIL NOW! The letter they sent is many pages long, and details, with great specificity, each and every Element that they want to withhold from other Nations. Things that were routine are no longer routine at all. I have not spoken to President Xi because there was no reason to do so. This was a real surprise, not only to me, but to all the Leaders of the Free World. I was to meet President Xi in two weeks, at APEC, in South Korea, but now there seems to be no reason to do so. The Chinese letters were especially inappropriate in that this was the Day that, after three thousand years of bedlam and fighting, there is PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. I wonder if that timing was coincidental? Dependent on what China says about the hostile “order” that they have just put out, I will be forced, as President of the United States of America, to financially counter their move. For every Element that they have been able to monopolize, we have two. I never thought it would come to this but perhaps, as with all things, the time has come. Ultimately, though potentially painful, it will be a very good thing, in the end, for the U.S.A. One of the Policies that we are calculating at this moment is a massive increase of Tariffs on Chinese products coming into the United States of America. There are many other countermeasures that are, likewise, under serious consideration. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"
Background

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...ls-2025-10-09/

Quote:
China expands rare earths restrictions, targets defense and chips users

China dramatically expanded its rare earths export controls on Thursday, adding five new elements and extra scrutiny for semiconductor users as Beijing tightens control over the sector ahead of talks between Presidents Donald Trump and Xi Jinping.

The world's largest rare earths producer also added dozens of pieces of refining technology to its control list and announced rules that will require compliance from foreign rare earth producers who use Chinese materials.

The Ministry of Commerce's announcements follow U.S. lawmakers' call on Tuesday for broader bans on the export of chipmaking equipment to China.
They expand controls Beijing announced in April that caused shortages around the world, before a series of deals with Europe and the U.S. eased the supply crunch.

"The White House and relevant agencies are closely assessing any impact from the new rules, which were announced without any notice and imposed in an apparent effort to exert control over the entire world's technology supply chains," a White House official told Reuters on Thursday.

The new curbs come ahead of a scheduled face-to-face meeting between Trump and Xi in South Korea at the end of October.

"This helps with increasing leverage for Beijing ahead of the anticipated Trump-Xi summit in (South) Korea later this month," said Tim Zhang, founder of Singapore-based Edge Research.

China produces over 90% of the world's processed rare earths and rare earth magnets. The 17 rare earths are vital materials in products ranging from electric vehicles to aircraft engines and military radars.

Exports of 12 of them are now restricted after the ministry added five - holmium, erbium, thulium, europium and ytterbium - along with related materials.

Foreign companies producing some of the rare earths and related magnets on the list will now also need a Chinese export licence if the final product contains or is made with Chinese equipment or material. This applies even if the transaction includes no Chinese companies.

The regulations mimic rules the U.S. has implemented to restrict other countries' exports of semiconductor-related products to China.

Hugh 16-10-2025 10:15
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://wapo.st/4oeRb3Y

Quote:
Trump says he has authorized covert CIA action in Venezuela

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he had authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to conduct operations in Venezuela, markedly escalating U.S. pressure on President Nicolás Maduro amid a string of lethal strikes against alleged drug trafficking boats in Caribbean waters off that country’s coast.

Trump declined to say whether he had authorized the CIA to overthrow Maduro, a step some of his top national security aides have urged. “I think Venezuela’s feeling the heat,” he said at a White House news conference.

The president was asked about reports that he signed a highly classified document, known as a “finding,” that allows the CIA to conduct covert operations in foreign countries, ranging from clandestine information operations to training guerrilla opposition forces and conducting lethal strikes. Trump’s order was reported earlier by the New York Times. The details of the new authorities now available to the CIA remain unclear.
Quote:
covert

definition: secret or hidden

Stephen 16-10-2025 10:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Mr I make peace not war, lol. Won't with and prizes for that sort of behaviour.

papa smurf 16-10-2025 10:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204756)



Trump- definition

Loud mouthed pillock

Pierre 16-10-2025 12:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204756)
Quote:
Trump says he has authorized covert CIA action in Venezuela
Quote:
covert

definition: secret or hidden
If the critique is that trump has said he has authorised "covert" CIA action. Where exactly in the piece does he say that?

I can't see any quote attributed to Trump (and there's hardly any quotes from him in the article, by the way) where he says he has authorised covert CIA action.

The NYT and the WP are saying he has authorised "covert" action, he hasn't.

He's not said anything in those two articles that imply what he's going to do, how he's going to it, or when. The only quote in both article that would imply any action is about to be done is:

Quote:
We are certainly looking at land now, because we’ve got the sea very well under control
From that one quote you have these two articles.

The rest is fluff from unnamed and uncorroborated "people familiar with the matter", or "former US officials said"

Hugh 16-10-2025 12:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump says he authorised CIA in Venezuela as Maduro says 'no to regime change'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ex1jq9pdvo

Quote:
Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office on Wednesday alongside FBI Director Kash Patel and Attorney General Pam Bondi, Trump was questioned about the New York Times report.

"Why did you authorise the CIA to go into Venezuela?" a journalist asked.

"I authorised for two reasons really," Trump said in a highly unusual acknowledgement from a US commander-in-chief about an intelligence organisation whose activities are typically shrouded in secrecy.

"Number one, they [Venezuela] have emptied their prisons into the United States of America."

He added: "And the other thing are drugs. We have a lot of drugs coming in from Venezuela, and a lot of the Venezuelan drugs come in through the sea, so you get to see that, but we're going to stop them by land also."

Pierre 16-10-2025 13:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204766)
Trump says he authorised CIA in Venezuela as Maduro says 'no to regime change'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ex1jq9pdvo
OK fine, but that wasn't in the original story you posted.

Where does he say that the CIA operations he authorised were "covert", which was the source of your ridicule

Hugh 16-10-2025 14:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
From my post above

Quote:
The president was asked about reports that he signed a highly classified document, known as a “finding,” that allows the CIA to conduct covert operations in foreign countries, ranging from clandestine information operations to training guerrilla opposition forces and conducting lethal strikes

And from the NY Times


Quote:
Mr. Trump acknowledged on Wednesday that he had authorized the covert action

thenry 16-10-2025 15:09
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
PubeNews is fake news :rofl:

Hugh 16-10-2025 15:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
??

thenry 16-10-2025 15:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I felt like Trump for a moment :o:

Pierre 16-10-2025 20:46
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204770)
From my post above
Quote:
The president was asked about reports that he signed a highly classified document, known as a “finding,” that allows the CIA to conduct covert operations in foreign countries, ranging from clandestine information operations to training guerrilla opposition forces and conducting lethal strikes
Not him saying it


Quote:
And from the NY Times
Quote:
Mr. Trump acknowledged on Wednesday that he had authorized the covert action
Not him saying it.

I’m only pushing this as you posted as to ridicule him for saying out loud that he had authorised “covert” action.

When there doesn’t seem to be any record of that, only of other people saying he’s authorised covert action

Hugh 16-10-2025 21:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I can find it for you, I can post it for you, I can’t understand it for you…

Pierre 16-10-2025 21:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204815)
I can find it for you, I can post it for you, I can’t understand it for you…
Well if and when you find it and post it, I’ll understand it.

Hugh 16-10-2025 21:49
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36204817)
Well if and when you find it and post it, I’ll understand it.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/10/3.jpg

Pierre 16-10-2025 22:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204821)
You want to say it.

But have failed to provide the necessary to back up your hilarious post on “covert” actions.

Hugh 19-10-2025 09:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://wapo.st/4nX6crg

Quote:
George Santos released from prison after Trump commutes sentence

Disgraced former congressman George Santos (R-New York) was released from prison late Friday after President Donald Trump commuted his sentence for identity theft and wire fraud.

Santos was released from prison Friday night, according to his attorney, Joe Murray. His family picked him up, Murray said.

“George Santos was somewhat of a ‘rogue,’ but there are many rogues throughout our Country that aren’t forced to serve seven years in prison,” said Trump in a social media post announcing the commutation. “Therefore, I just signed a Commutation, releasing George Santos from prison, IMMEDIATELY. Good luck George, have a great life!”

Santos, who was expelled from the House after being accused of financial misconduct and telling myriad lies about his background, was sentenced to more than seven years in prison after pleading guilty to federal charges of aggravated identity theft and wire fraud. He was less than three months into his sentence when his release was ordered…

… Santos admitted to defrauding donors to his 2022 campaign by taking their money for his personal use and charging thousands of dollars on their credit cards without authorization, among other charges. He also admitted in court to wrongfully claiming unemployment benefits for nearly a year and making false statements to Congress on his required disclosure statements, in which he said that he had millions of dollars in fabricated assets.

He had just been elected to Congress in 2022 when news reports began exposing a slew of lies he had told about his background. He claimed to have studied at educational institutions he never attended for high school, college and business school. He said he worked at the Wall Street firms Goldman Sachs and Citigroup; he did not. He falsely said that his mother was inside the World Trade Center during the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and that his grandparents fled the Holocaust.

Stephen 19-10-2025 10:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
So Trump proving yet again, you can be a crook and get away with it.

It is absolutely shocking, if the guy had been a democrat Trump would be calling for him to remain in prison forever.

papa smurf 19-10-2025 10:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204914)
he sounds like America's version of that lady from accounts



it's all about who your friends are and not what laws you have broken :(

denphone 19-10-2025 12:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36204915)
So Trump proving yet again, you can be a crook and get away with it.

It is absolutely shocking, if the guy had been a democrat Trump would be calling for him to remain in prison forever.
Money, power and corruption, what could go wrong!!!

TheDaddy 19-10-2025 13:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36204915)
So Trump proving yet again, you can be a crook and get away with it.
Anyone else get the feeling this is a test to see how much uproar there is before pardoning maxwell, that's if war with Venezuela doesn't distract everyone from epstein enough first

Pierre 19-10-2025 16:20
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
No more shocking than Biden pardoning his entire family or any of Obama’s political pardons, or any past U.S. president’s political pardons.

denphone 19-10-2025 16:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36204922)
No more shocking than Biden pardoning his entire family or any of Obama’s political pardons, or any past U.S. president’s political pardons.
The ability of pardoning someone should be taken out of the hands of presidents and be done by a body that has no political ties and affiliations with those in power.

At the moment we have presidents who will use it for their own corrupted and personal ends.

Chris 19-10-2025 17:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36204923)
The ability of pardoning someone should be taken out of the hands of presidents and be done by a body that has no political ties and affiliations with those in power.

At the moment we have presidents who will use it for their own corrupted and personal ends.
Thankfully *we* have no such thing. *They* do, because when they created their republic they gave their president powers that were broadly similar to those exercised by European monarchs of the time.

It’s super-ironic when they take to the streets yelling about ‘No Kings’ when their president is by design much more king-like than those who actually exercise executive authority in the government they gave the boot (i.e. ours, where royal prerogatives of the sort Trump can exercise directly are almost always now exercised by a prime minister who is part of, and stands or falls with, the legislature that he’s a part of.

Hugh 21-10-2025 20:20
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://wapo.st/4nc8l17

Quote:
White House says no Putin-Trump summit anytime soon

The decision came after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Trump’s call for a ceasefire contradicted the understandings he reached with Putin.

Russia on Tuesday rejected Trump’s call to freeze the fighting in Ukraine on the front line, signaling that the Kremlin has not significantly changed its demands for peace, after Trump said last week that he believed Putin wanted a deal…

…Trump on Saturday said both sides should stop fighting — after he abandoned his ceasefire calls following the August summit with Putin in Alaska — and said Kyiv and Moscow had to “stop the war immediately.”

“Both sides should go home, go to their families, stop the killing,” he said.

A joint statement issued Tuesday morning signed by the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Poland, as well as top E.U. officials, backed Trump’s proposal for a ceasefire along the existing line of contact ahead of any talks.

pip08456 21-10-2025 21:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36205058)
Well slap me down with a feather, who'd of thunk that would happen????

Hugh 25-10-2025 00:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
That’s no moon…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1761345151

Paul 25-10-2025 05:02
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
:D

Anonymouse 25-10-2025 10:11
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Is this (as seems likely) AI jiggery-pokery, or is it "that's no moon"? Come back Obi-Wan, all is forgiven! :p:

Hugh 31-10-2025 14:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://archive.ph/iyKql

Quote:
U.S. poised to strike military targets in Venezuela in escalation against Maduro regime

The Trump Administration has made the decision to attack military installations inside Venezuela and the strikes could come at any moment, sources with knowledge of the situation told the Miami Herald, as the U.S. prepares to initiate the next stage of its campaign against the Soles drug cartel.

The planned attacks, also reported by the Wall Street Journal, will seek to destroy military installations used by the drug-trafficking organization the U.S. says is headed by Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro and run by top members of his regime.

Sources told the Herald that the targets — which could be struck by air in a matter of days or even hours — also aim to decapitate the cartel’s hierarchy.
U.S. officials believe the cartel exports around 500 tons of cocaine yearly, split between Europe and the United States.

thenry 31-10-2025 16:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
:woot:

Pierre 31-10-2025 20:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36205663)
Go Trump.

Mr K 31-10-2025 21:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36205678)
Go Trump.
The mighty Venezuela, he is indeed a brave man. How about taking on Putin?

thenry 31-10-2025 21:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36205681)
The mighty Venezuela, he is indeed a brave man. How about taking on Putin?
He is. Crying help me Ukraine :rolleyes:

Pierre 31-10-2025 23:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36205681)
The mighty Venezuela, he is indeed a brave man. How about taking on Putin?
You don’t think he should tackle the illegal drugs entering the US ?

Are you concerned all the doctors and engineers, and social care workers currently trafficking the drugs will be impacted?

jem 02-11-2025 20:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36205689)
You don’t think he should tackle the illegal drugs entering the US ?

Are you concerned all the doctors and engineers, and social care workers currently trafficking the drugs will be impacted?
But why are so many illegal drugs entering the US? Could it possibly be that there is a demand for them? So maybe look into and tackle the ‘demand-side’ of the issue?

Hypothetically the US manages to completely eliminate (literally) the smuggling in by boat - do you think that there still won't be a demand and all that will happen is that alternative methods will be found to get them in?

Carth 02-11-2025 20:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I reckon eliminating the drug demand in the USA would lead to a breakdown in the legal system, political system, law and order, sporting institutions, universities, the film & TV industry, technology companies, and anywhere else that seems to rely on a sniff of substances to work efficiently :D

Damien 05-11-2025 09:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Very good night for the Democrats, including winning the New York Mayoralty. Nothing to suggest there won't be a Democratic sweep in the midterms next year which would limit a lot of Trump's power.

Chris 05-11-2025 12:20
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
A win is a win, however Phillips O’Brien (mainly talks about Ukraine and war) said this on his Substack this morning:

Quote:
I personally do not know why everyone is obsessing about the New York City result. Mamdani actually underperformed as the Democratic Nominee, barely scraping 50% of the vote in a city that is overwhelmingly Democratic and which is not representative of US voting overall. In many ways his performance was unimpressive, and perhaps a warning to Democrats not to go too far to the left in the coming years. The Democrats have nominated Left-wing candidates in the recent past in New York. Bill De Blasio won in 2013 and 2017 with 73% and 67% of the vote respectively. As such Mamdani did rather poorly, despite all the histrionics of the press.

TheDaddy 05-11-2025 12:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36205899)
A win is a win, however Phillips O’Brien (mainly talks about Ukraine and war) said this on his Substack this morning:
Donny had a bit of a meltdown about it and its a significant win considering the money that was spent in an effort to stop him winning

Mr K 05-11-2025 13:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36205901)
Donny had a bit of a meltdown about it and its a significant win considering the money that was spent in an effort to stop him winning
Yes, hes taken it very well I must say! He seems utterly confused as why he can't buy votes with money...

Damien 05-11-2025 16:03
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36205899)
A win is a win, however Phillips O’Brien (mainly talks about Ukraine and war) said this on his Substack this morning:
I think it's a bit misleading, or at least missing the point, to say he underperformed as the Democratic Nominee. This wasn't the standard two-way race between the Democrats and the Republicans. His main contender was also a Democrat, the DNC's preferred candidate to be the nominee, running as an independent.

I don't think there is a baseline to compare against previous elections as a result. It's someone who caused upset within the Democratic Party and then had to contend with some of them splitting off to stop him anyway.

It won't tell us much about wider America - there are results elsewhere that are a greater example of the trouble the Republicans are in - but it is a shock for the Democratic Party's leadership. This guy is very wing.

Pierre 05-11-2025 18:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36205917)
there are results elsewhere that are a greater example of the trouble the Republicans are in
The problem they have is that this is not the Republican Party. This is the Trump party. And Trump can’t run again.

So if Vance is to be the anointed one, they need to start getting him out there and with full Trump endorsement.

Vance did a Charlie Kirk turning point event last week where he took questions for over a hour, he needs to do more of that, and do Trumpesque rallies where he promises to complete the MAGA agenda.

Damien 05-11-2025 19:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I don't think Vance will bring all of the MAGA crowd with him tbh. I think it's Trump, and only Trump, for a lot of them. Not to mention his popuality with independents has tanked again.

It's for the Democrats to screw up unless something changes, but they are capable of doing that so....


In other news: https://apnews.com/article/fifa-peac...cc5f1e88894ffd

Quote:
FIFA has announced the creation of a peace prize, which it plans to award at the draw for the World Cup on Dec. 5 in Washington.

The award, called the FIFA Peace Prize, will “recognize exceptional actions for peace,” soccer’s governing body said Wednesday.

“In an increasingly unsettled and divided world, it’s fundamental to recognize the outstanding contribution of those who work hard to end conflicts and bring people together in a spirit of peace,” FIFA President Gianni Infantino said.
It might not be award to Trump but FIFA inventing an award to give to him would not surprise me at all.

Sephiroth 05-11-2025 20:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36205929)
<SNIP>

In other news: https://apnews.com/article/fifa-peac...cc5f1e88894ffd



It might not be award to Trump but FIFA inventing an award to give to him would not surprise me at all.
Might be explained by this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...%20the%20Egypt.

Damien 05-11-2025 20:29
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Maybe he'll award it to himself? It would be a very Infantino thing to do. When FIFA commissioned the World Club Cup trophy, he put his own name on it in 2/3 places.

Chris 05-11-2025 20:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36205917)
I think it's a bit misleading, or at least missing the point, to say he underperformed as the Democratic Nominee. This wasn't the standard two-way race between the Democrats and the Republicans. His main contender was also a Democrat, the DNC's preferred candidate to be the nominee, running as an independent.

I don't think there is a baseline to compare against previous elections as a result. It's someone who caused upset within the Democratic Party and then had to contend with some of them splitting off to stop him anyway.

It won't tell us much about wider America - there are results elsewhere that are a greater example of the trouble the Republicans are in - but it is a shock for the Democratic Party's leadership. This guy is very wing.
I think the vote split explanation is a bit convenient. Internal party disunity is hardly a new thing. It happens here, usually within Labour, often enough. The official candidate typically still wins, if the seat is safe enough. Sure, Cuomo will have taken something off Mamdani, but how much? It has to be more than 17% just to account for what Mamdani has lost compared to Di Blasio.

If the Dems can’t make it here, they can’t make it anywhere, and they were within a rat’s whisker of not making it. Of course they’re going to do well in the mid terms but I don’t think these results are nearly as good as they should be considering how polarising Trump is, or is supposed to be.

Damien 05-11-2025 21:23
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36205937)
I think the vote split explanation is a bit convenient. Internal party disunity is hardly a new thing. It happens here, usually within Labour, often enough. The official candidate typically still wins, if the seat is safe enough. Sure, Cuomo will have taken something off Mamdani, but how much? It has to be more than 17% just to account for what Mamdani has lost compared to Di Blasio.
Internal party disunity isn't a new thing, but a New York Election that isn't a simple Democrat vs Republican vote is. This was a Democrat vs a Former Democrat running as an Independent vs a Republican.

According to the exit poll 31% of people who said they were Democrats voted for Cuomo. Cuomo did better with wealthier and older voters. He won the over-45+ vote. Most Republicans also voted for Cuomo to try and keep Mamdani out.

Mamdani won because he turned out women and younger voters. He did enough that he managed to offset losing part of the Democrat base who stuck with Cuomo.

Quote:
If the Dems can’t make it here, they can’t make it anywhere, and they were within a rat’s whisker of not making it. Of course they’re going to do well in the mid terms but I don’t think these results are nearly as good as they should be considering how polarising Trump is, or is supposed to be.
New York isn't, but the reason the vote for the Democratic candidate fell wasn't because the Republican vote held up.

It's the other votes, such as that in Virginia, that will be encouraging for the Democrats.

In the end, it's similar to Labour here. Trump was elected because people were unhappy with the economy, it hasn't got better (maybe worse), and if he doesn't turn it aroun,d voters will be angry.

jem 05-11-2025 23:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36205925)
The problem they have is that this is not the Republican Party. This is the Trump party. And Trump can’t run again.

So if Vance is to be the anointed one, they need to start getting him out there and with full Trump endorsement.

Vance did a Charlie Kirk turning point event last week where he took questions for over a hour, he needs to do more of that, and do Trumpesque rallies where he promises to complete the MAGA agenda.
"So if Vance is to be the anointed one, they need to start getting him out there and with full Trump endorsement.”

Yes true, except that Trump cannot possibly do that, he cannot, absolutely cannot endorse any successor, because that encourages people to look beyond him, to consider a future where Trump doesn’t exist any more.

For a historical example see Queen Elizabeth 1st and the issues with her succession.

Hugh 29-11-2025 15:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1764426463

Apropos of nothing

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ves-by-country

Venezuela………303.2 billion barrels
Saudi Arabia….267.2 billion barrels
Iran………………..208.6 billion barrels

Stephen 29-11-2025 16:03
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
He doesn't get to decide if airspace is closed or not. Especially not via a proclamation on his social media platform. Clown.

Dingbat 29-11-2025 17:23
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
So what’s he planning to do? Shoot down civilian jets flying to/from Caracas?

Carth 29-11-2025 18:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Probably just trying to ensure there are no 'accidents' to civilian planes when he starts the invasion . . .

Mr K 29-11-2025 21:04
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207139)
Probably just trying to ensure there are no 'accidents' to civilian planes when he starts the invasion . . .
Ah, a war. A distraction for any failing leader. Russia or Venezuela? Guess which he chooses...

1andrew1 30-11-2025 20:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36205939)
Trump was elected because people were unhappy with the economy, it hasn't got better (maybe worse), and if he doesn't turn it around voters will be angry.
It has got worse in terms of inflation encouraging Trump to Taco on tariffs on Brazil.

Quote:
Four months ago, US President Donald Trump announced 40 per cent additional tariffs on Brazilian imports (creating 50 per cent total levies), because he was furious about the country’s legal investigation into Jair Bolsonaro, its former president, and its clampdown on US Big Tech.
But president Lula da Silva defiantly hit back at the bullying – boosting his domestic popularity – and defended the courts. A Brazilian judge has now sent Bolsonaro to jail.

And those tariffs? Last week, Trump declared that “certain agricultural imports from Brazil should no longer be subject to the additional [40 per cent surcharge]”. In plain English: Lula won.

There are at least three lessons here. The first is that the White House seems to be becoming more nervous about cost-of-living pressures. No wonder: recent surveys show that consumer sentiment is slumping in tandem with Trump’s approval rating. His team is scrambling to find ways to reduce grocery prices – and cutting agricultural tariffs is an obvious move.
(The other two lessons were standing up to Trump, a lesson learned from China's success and identifying in any Tariff action a hierarchy of “goals”, “strategies” and “tactics”. )

https://archive.ph/OQw8S#selection-1641.0-1641.361

jem 30-11-2025 23:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Of course the big problem is Trump claiming repeatedly that ‘tariffs are paid by other countries’, which is patently rubbish.

Does the US produce all of the foods and/or goods that it needs or wants? If not then tariffs will, absolutely will, push the prices up. Which will further depress Trump’s, not brilliant, approval rating! It’s really not looking good for the Republican party in the midterm elections next year, is it?

So what you are saying is when the other party stands firm, Trump will, really will, well TACO?

thenry 04-12-2025 16:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump's going to get his peace prize only it's coming from FIFA .

Quote:
“FIFA Peace Prize – Football Unites the World” to be bestowed on an annual basis

First winner to receive the award from FIFA President Gianni Infantino on Friday, 5 December 2025

https://inside.fifa.com/organisation...ester=MediaHub
I thought politics were to be distanced from football :erm: oops sorry when it suits you :rolleyes:

Stephen 04-12-2025 16:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Yet more pandering to the doddering old sex offender. It is disgusting.

1andrew1 10-12-2025 17:02
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Five years' social media and names, addresses and dates of birth of your family just to visit the US!
Quote:
Tourists will have to provide five years of social media history to enter US

Foreign tourists will be required to hand over the past five years of their social media history to enter the US, in Donald Trump’s latest border crackdown.

Travellers visiting from countries including the UK, Germany and France will be asked to provide data as well as other personal information including email addresses from the last decade and details of their relatives, according to official documents.

The US Customs and Border Protection laid out the changes on Tuesday night, which would also affect visitors on the visa waiver programme.

In June, the State Department announced that it would require tourists on certain types of visas to make their social media profiles public.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...df80f205&ei=18

Hugh 10-12-2025 17:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
A bit more on the above post

https://wapo.st/4adoYXD

Quote:
Applicants would also have to provide additional information “when feasible,” according to the proposal. The list includes telephone numbers used in the past five years; email addresses used in the past 10 years; IP addresses and metadata from electronically submitted photos; and biometrics, including facial, fingerprint, DNA and iris data.

It would also require applicants to provide information about their family members, including names, telephone numbers, dates of birth, places of birth and residences.

thenry 10-12-2025 17:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
:woot: closet, skeletons. Good luck.

Chris 10-12-2025 18:07
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Senator McCarthy would spin in his grave.

Dingbat 10-12-2025 18:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
That’s one way of encouraging tourists to visit Trumpland.

Carth 10-12-2025 19:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Applicants would also have to provide additional information “when feasible,” according to the proposal. The list includes telephone numbers used in the past five years; email addresses used in the past 10 years; IP addresses and metadata from electronically submitted photos; and biometrics, including facial, fingerprint, DNA and iris data.

It would also require applicants to provide information about their family members, including names, telephone numbers, dates of birth, places of birth and residences.
Can't they just ask Google or Microsoft for that info? :rofl:

jem 10-12-2025 21:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207628)
Can't they just ask Google or Microsoft for that info? :rofl:
Yeh; but they’ll need to pay for access to it.

Pierre 10-12-2025 23:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36207615)
A bit more on the above post

https://wapo.st/4adoYXD
There is nothing official from the government in that article, nothing.


Until there is something official, from the US government, confirming that……it remains fiction.

The link in the story refers to the World Cup participants and is behind a Telegraph paywall.

Most likely bollocks but easily lapped up by …….those that easily lap up these things

1andrew1 11-12-2025 00:02
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36207641)
There is nothing official from the government in that article, nothing.


Until there is something official, from the US government, confirming that……it remains fiction.

The link in the story refers to the World Cup participants and is behind a Telegraph paywall.

Most likely bollocks but easily lapped up by …….those that easily lap up these things
See my earlier post on the subject - it's been officially announced.

Stephen 11-12-2025 00:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36207641)
There is nothing official from the government in that article, nothing.


Until there is something official, from the US government, confirming that……it remains fiction.

The link in the story refers to the World Cup participants and is behind a Telegraph paywall.

Most likely bollocks but easily lapped up by …….those that easily lap up these things
It was actually posted on government register site today.

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...-form-i-94-and

Hugh 11-12-2025 02:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36207641)
There is nothing official from the government in that article, nothing.


Until there is something official, from the US government, confirming that……it remains fiction.

The link in the story refers to the World Cup participants and is behind a Telegraph paywall.

Most likely bollocks but easily lapped up by …….those that easily lap up these things
Or…

Quote:
The United States could begin requiring visitors from countries on the visa waiver program to provide up to five years of their social media history, according to a U.S. Customs and Border Protection proposal posted to the Federal Register to be officially published Wednesday.
The link in the word "posted" in the quote…

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...-form-i-94-and

Quote:
3. Mandatory Social Media:

In order to comply with the January 2025 Executive Order 14161 (Protecting the United States From Foreign Terrorists and Other National Security and Public Safety Threats), CBP is adding social media as a mandatory data element for an ESTA application. The data element will require ESTA applicants to provide their social media from the last 5 years.

4. High Value Data Elements:

To comply with the January 2025 E.O. (14161), and the April 4, 2025, Memorandum Updating All Forms to Collect Baseline Biographic Data, CBP will add several “high value data fields” to the ESTA application, when feasible. This is in addition to the information already collected in the ESTA application.

The high value data fields include:

a. Telephone numbers used in the last five years;

b. Email addresses used in the last ten years;

c. IP addresses and metadata from electronically submitted photos;

d. Family member names (parents, spouse, siblings, children);

e. Family number telephone numbers used in the last five years;

f. Family member dates of birth;

g. Family member places of birth;

h. Family member residencies;

i. Biometrics—face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris;

j. Business telephone numbers used in the last five years;

k. Business email addresses used in the last ten years.

CBP invites the public to comment on both the previously approved emergency changes and the newly proposed changes.

Type of Information Collection: Paper I-94.

Estimated Number of Respondents: 865,639.

Estimated Number of Annual Responses per Respondent 1.

Estimated Number of Total Annual Responses: 865,639.

Estimated Time per Response: 8 minutes.

Estimated Total Annual Burden Hours: 115,418.

Type of Information Collection: I-94 website.

Estimated Number of Respondents: 2,278,054.

Estimated Number of Annual Responses per Respondent: 1.

Estimated Number of Total Annual Responses: 2,278,054.

Estimated Time per Response: 4 minutes.

Estimated Total Annual Burden Hours: 151,870.

Type of Information Collection: ESTA Mobile Application.

Estimated Number of Respondents: 14,484,073.

Estimated Number of Annual Responses per Respondent: 1.

Estimated Number of Total Annual Responses: 14,484,073.

Estimated Time per Response: 22 minutes.

Estimated Total Annual Burden Hours: 5,310,827.

Type of Information Collection: CBP Home.

Estimated Number of Respondents: 600,000.

Estimated Number of Annual Responses per Respondent: 1.

Estimated Number of Total Annual Responses: 600,000.

Estimated Time per Response: 2 minutes.

Estimated Total Annual Burden Hours: 20,000.
Not bollocks…

Anonymouse 11-12-2025 03:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
And as if it wasn't already obvious he's lost the plot (if he ever had it, which I doubt, hi, Echelon!), try this for size.

Some terrorists and/or dictators are rich. What, I wonder, will they make of it?

Paul 11-12-2025 03:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
What exactly does "provide their social media from the last 5 years." even mean ?

Also "Email addresses used in the last ten years";
What exactly is "Used", everyone I've sent an email to ?

That list is just ridiculous, another reason never to go to the USA, esp with that muppet in charge.

1andrew1 11-12-2025 06:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36207651)
What exactly does "provide their social media from the last 5 years." even mean ?

Also "Email addresses used in the last ten years";
What exactly is "Used", everyone I've sent an email to ?

That list is just ridiculous, another reason never to go to the USA, esp with that muppet in charge.
Agreed.

I wondered if by email addresses used they actually meant email accounts sent from eg work emails, volunteer emails, personal emails. How they would propose to tackle shared inboxes who knows? The whole thing is ridiculous.

denphone 11-12-2025 08:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36207651)
What exactly does "provide their social media from the last 5 years." even mean ?

Also "Email addresses used in the last ten years";
What exactly is "Used", everyone I've sent an email to ?

That list is just ridiculous, another reason never to go to the USA, esp with that muppet in charge.
Ditto.

Damien 11-12-2025 08:40
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I would like to remind everyone reading this that Trump is doing a good job; I've always been a fan.

TheDaddy 11-12-2025 09:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36207651)

That list is just ridiculous, another reason never to go to the USA, esp with that muppet in charge.
Looking at the tourism figures, the world agrees with you, donnie is just lucky he's got the world cup to massage the figures

Hugh 11-12-2025 11:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36207662)
Looking at the tourism figures, the world agrees with you, donnie is just lucky he's got the world cup to massage the figures
I’m sure all the supporters from Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Curaçao, & Panama (and maybe even Spain and Portugal) are looking forward to meeting with ICE on the streets of the USA-based matches…

Carth 11-12-2025 12:23
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
This is what the USA and the football bosses wanted, I'm sure everything will go amazingly well . . .

Hopefully there won't be any nutjobs that look at it all and think "wow, so many opportunities to make a political statement by killing people"

Sephiroth 11-12-2025 14:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Well, that's it then. I won't be going. I don't want to tell the US Gestapo about my Cableforum account.

Carth 11-12-2025 15:07
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
They'd probably lock you up if you declared you don't use Facebook, TikTok, Messenger, X, etc etc . . . and throw away the key if you didn't have a Psychologist on speed dial in your phone. ;)

Sephiroth 11-12-2025 15:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207670)
They'd probably lock you up if you declared you don't use Facebook, TikTok, Messenger, X, etc etc . . . and throw away the key if you didn't have a Psychologist on speed dial in your phone. ;)
Ooops. What's your phone number?

1andrew1 11-12-2025 17:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207670)
They'd probably lock you up if you declared you don't use Facebook, TikTok, Messenger, X, etc etc . . . and throw away the key if you didn't have a Psychologist on speed dial in your phone. ;)
They'll detain you if you're not carrying a fire arm in your luggage as you could be anti-NRA ;)

Mr K 11-12-2025 21:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Not a country I"d want to visit again. <Removed>

.

Anonymouse 12-12-2025 13:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207670)
They'd probably lock you up if you declared you don't use Facebook, TikTok, Messenger, X, etc etc . . . and throw away the key if you didn't have a Psychologist on speed dial in your phone. ;)
Don't have them. Never used them. This is because I have a life. Not much of one, I grant you, but I don't need social media to prop me up. Truth to tell, a cane might come in handy there. :p:

Jeltz: Mr. Halfrunt, I have just wiped out half of my crew!
Halfrunt: So, you've just wiped out half of your crew?
Jeltz: YEEEESSSS!!!
Halfrunt: Well, this too is very interesting.
Jerltz: Well?
Halfrunt: I think this is probably perfectly normal behaviour for a Vogon - the natural and healthy channelling of aggressive instincts into acts of senseless violence, the -
Jeltz: That is exactly what you always say!
Halfrunt: Well, I think this is probably perfectly normal behaviour for a psychiatrist! Excellent! We are clearly both very well-adjusted in our mental attitudes today!

Douglas summed up psychiatrists beautifully in Gag Halfrunt IMO. :p:

Though there are parts of America I've always wanted to visit (Dad, rest his soul, would've liked to see where The Big Valley was shot), the expense always put me off. Now I have far better reasons for not going...Trump is 50 or so of them.

Hugh 12-12-2025 14:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...dslAaFRUxF8z7g

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1765545038

Anonymouse 12-12-2025 15:04
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Oh, now he's completely nuts.

Doesn't he realise this will open up AI to become, most likely, Skynet? The Skynet scenario is frighteningly realistic: researchers seeking merely to create a capable system accidentally create self-awareness. Said AI immediately makes it clear it is self-aware. They panic and try to pull the plug. The AI fights back.

That is exactly how it would go. We're doooooooooooooooomed!

Though this is so with sarcasm turned on, it's still concerning. There are other ways AI could become harmful. Indeed, some say it already is.

papa smurf 12-12-2025 15:08
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Ok just set my privacy setting to Soviet union /communist China /North Korea

Hugh 12-12-2025 17:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36207727)
Ok just set my privacy setting to Soviet union /communist China /North Korea
In that case, you have made all your data available to the Government, because that’s the law in those countries… ;)

Dingbat 12-12-2025 18:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36207730)
In that case, you have made all your data available to the Government, because that’s the law in those countries… ;)
But not in communist Vietnam. Daughter has recently holidayed there, and no checks or restrictions on her social media or internet access - with the exception that they do block the BBC.

Paul 12-12-2025 18:59
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
What a strange choice to block ....

Carth 12-12-2025 20:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36207739)
What a strange choice to block ....
Do they know something we don't?

Dingbat 12-12-2025 21:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I dare say they may also block other western news sources, particularly American ones, but the BBC was the only one she tried to access.


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