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thenry

16-10-2025 19:47

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modern society!

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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.

The Safety Advisory Group (SAG) are responsible for issuing safety certificates for every match at Villa Park, based on a number of physical and safety factors.

Following a meeting this afternoon, the SAG have formally written to the club and UEFA to advise no away fans will be permitted to attend Villa Park for this fixture.

West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.

The club are in continuous dialogue with Maccabi Tel Aviv and the local authorities throughout this ongoing process, with the safety of supporters attending the match and the safety of local residents at the forefront of any decision.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/oct...cabi-tel-aviv/

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Maccabi Tel Aviv fans will not be able to attend their side's Europa League match with Aston Villa because of safety concerns, it has been announced.

West Midlands Police said the decision was based partly on what happened in Amsterdam last year, when Maccabi Tel Aviv fans attending a match against Ajax were targets of antisemitic attacks.

Dozens of people were arrested and Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof said assaults "against Israelis and Jews are nothing short of shocking and reprehensible".

The Jewish Leadership Council, which works to protect British Jews, slammed the decision to stop Israeli fans from travelling to Birmingham.

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-t...cerns-13451240

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Aston Villa’s Europa League match against Maccabi Tel Aviv next month is set to be played without any away fans of the Israeli club at the game.

West Midlands Police has advised Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group (SAG) to hold the match at Villa Park on November 6 without away supporters due to safety concerns around the fixture, sources have told The Times.

It would be unprecedented for the SAG not to follow police advice, and Uefa will implement a ban on away fans on the basis of a decision by the local authorities.

A number of threats have been made around the match, which are understood to have been taken seriously by police.

About 120 travelling fans attended Maccabi Tel Aviv’s Europa League match against the Greek side PAOK on September 24, amid heavy police protection, with pro-Palestinian protests taking place outside the ground in Thessaloniki. They are the only Israeli side in European club competition this season.

There were also protests when Israel’s national team played in Norway and Italy this week in World Cup qualifiers.

The ceasefire agreed in Gaza has meant that plans by Uefa to vote on suspending Israel have been put on hold. The Times revealed last month that several European clubs had asked Uefa if there was any way they could avoid playing Israeli opponents.

West Midlands Police and Villa have been approached for comment.

https://archive.ph/FJLG3

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/footb...game-96bc9bkp7

Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.

papa smurf

16-10-2025 19:52

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36204785)

modern society!

Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.

safety first

i hate football so I'll just say if you can't behave it's tough shyte

Paul	16-10-2025 20:02

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36204785)

Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.

There will be fans, just mostly Aston Villa fans.

Pierre

16-10-2025 20:54

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Keep politics out of sport.

That used to be the slogan didn’t it?

thenry

16-10-2025 20:57

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Only when it suits them. Cry for Ukraine is still prevalent.

Hugh	16-10-2025 21:20

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36204801)

Keep politics out of sport.

That used to be the slogan didn’t it?

Who said that?

Pierre

16-10-2025 21:24

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204812)

Who said that?

I don’t know who, but it was used during the days of apartheid when people still wanted to play South Africa at cricket and rugby.

thenry

17-10-2025 18:55

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So the government are trying to make this match go ahead as normal. I find it tragic whether or not both sets of fans have thugs. Not any one person will ever dominate this world. I feel the exclusion hands power to a very dangerous presidence. Birmingham doesn't belong to any one faith. Trump declared drug terrorism. Our coward leader should declare this terrorism!

Pierre

17-10-2025 19:43

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“Keep racism out of football”

Will they be taking the knee this weekend?

Pierre

19-10-2025 22:35

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The hostages are out.

I would now level the place.

Give 48hrs notice, then level it.

Paul	19-10-2025 23:18

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36204868)

Will they be taking the knee this weekend?

Forest and Chelsea did. It wasnt well greeted, people are tired of a useless political jesture.

Carth

20-10-2025 11:31

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36204934)

Forest and Chelsea did. It wasnt well greeted, people are tired of a useless political jesture.

I think people are fed up with most of the politically correct guff that's taken us over, it's not just sport fans

denphone

20-10-2025 11:49

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36204867)

The government and most politicians should leave it to the West Midlands Police as their current intelligence has been proved to be absolutely spot on.

Sephiroth

20-10-2025 12:39

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36204948)

The government and most politicians should leave it to the West Midlands Police as their current intelligence has been proved to be absolutely spot on.

So, do you think that Maccabi fans should be banned from the game?

papa smurf

20-10-2025 12:40

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36204948)

The government and most politicians should leave it to the West Midlands Police as their current intelligence has been proved to be absolutely spot on.

exactly

Tel Aviv football derby between Hapoel and Maccabi called off after rioting

https://www.theguardian.com/football...-after-rioting

denphone

20-10-2025 13:31

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204953)

So, do you think that Maccabi fans should be banned from the game?

Yes is the simple answer and it has nothing to do with religion.

Sephiroth

20-10-2025 15:32

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36204957)

Yes is the simple answer and it has nothing to do with religion.

Would that be fair given the Muslim influence in Birmingham?
Would it not be best for the police to be augmented with additional resources? Don't you think there is an anti-Israel element to this ban?

denphone

20-10-2025 15:47

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204965)

Would that be fair given the Muslim influence in Birmingham?
Would it not be best for the police to be augmented with additional resources? Don't you think there is an anti-Israel element to this ban?

Why?, as the Police's job is to weigh the security risk and then make a rational, reasoned decision, it happens a fair amount when it comes to football matches.

Hugh	20-10-2025 15:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204965)

Do you think there was one at this ban?

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Tel Aviv football derby between Hapoel and Maccabi called off after rioting

Or any of these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c203z1d0yjwo

Or Eintracht Frankfurt vs Napoli at the Stadio Diego Armando Maradona in Naples, Italy.

https://www.sportbible.com/football/...07409-20251018

1andrew1

20-10-2025 18:13

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204965)

I think the Police are looking at a bunch of football-following hooligans and seeing them as just that. I don't think they should be given special treatment because of the country they hail from.

Sephiroth

20-10-2025 20:09

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204974)

I think the Police are looking at a bunch of football-following hooligans and seeing them as just that. I don't think they should be given special treatment because of the country they hail from.

But there's a context. An extant antisemitism context. Had the scene been different, a ban could be justified if additional resources to police the crowds couldn't be found.

Pierre

20-10-2025 21:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204974)

I think the Police are looking at a bunch of football-following hooligans and seeing them as just that. I don't think they should be given special treatment because of the country they hail from.

I think you have it the wrong way round, the police have based their original decision looking at the safety of the Maccabi fans from pro-Hamas protestors, not from Maccabi football hooligans.

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West Midlands Police said they partly based their decision about next month's match on what happened last year, when violent clashes between pro-Palestinian demonstrators and Israeli fans erupted around the UEFA Europa League football match between Dutch club Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Five men were given prison sentences for attacks on visiting fans in riots denounced as antisemitic by Dutch authorities and foreign leaders, including Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Sephiroth

20-10-2025 22:53

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This is very serious. If the Police are afraid of pro-Hamas thugs, then what hope is there when said thugs decide to come onto the streets anyway?

We (the UK) seems to be at the mercy (to some degree at least) of the enemy within.

tweetiepooh

21-10-2025 10:51

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I wouldn't read it as fear of the thugs but that it causes a volatile situation that can be avoided. If they had let the fans in and something happened then they would be blamed for ignoring intelligence that warned something could happen.

Sephiroth

21-10-2025 13:12

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36205008)

This really is rock/hard place stuff. BUT -

If the fear is that pro-Hamas groups will enact street violence because Maccabi fans are attending a footie match, then it is the pro-Hamas lot that need to be dealt with. This violent, antisemitic minority must not be able to dictate events.

Paul	21-10-2025 15:10

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36205012)

... minority must not be able to dictate events.

This is how our country works now, the vocal minority dictate.

Sephiroth

21-10-2025 15:37

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…. And it must stop - particularly where it as alien culture that is doing the dictating.

papa smurf

21-10-2025 16:22

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Maccabi Tel Aviv FC fans will not be able to buy tickets to Aston Villa match in Birmingham
The Tel Aviv side won't sell their supporters any tickets - irrespective of whether the current ban on attendance is overturned or not.Maccabi Tel Aviv FC fans will not be able to buy tickets to Aston Villa match in Birmingham

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-t...match-13454141

looks like their thugs won't be meeting our thugs after all

thenry

21-10-2025 16:33

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A match spoiled by a bunch of offended people. How sad.

papa smurf

21-10-2025 16:46

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36205045)

A match spoiled by a bunch of offended people. How sad.

the match was incidental, the fight was the main event

Paul	21-10-2025 22:27

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36205045)

A match spoiled by a bunch of offended people. How sad.

I think thats a bit of an exageration, the match will not be spoilt, and there will be plenty of fans still.

thenry

21-10-2025 22:34

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36205065)

I think thats a bit of an exageration, the match will not be spoilt, and there will be plenty of fans still.

Home fans only :confused:

Paul	21-10-2025 22:41

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36205068)

Home fans only :confused:

Yes (officially). How is that confusing ?

thenry

21-10-2025 22:48

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36205071)

Yes (officially). How is that confusing ?

I thought the game was two sided. I guess you see it differently. Fairs :tu:

denphone

22-10-2025 07:25

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l guess Keir Starmer and his clones delusionally think they know more then the West Midlands Police.

Intelligence on ‘extreme’ Maccabi fans with history of violence led to Villa Park ban.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...villa-park-ban

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Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters were banned from watching their game against Aston Villa after police intelligence concluded the biggest risk of violence came from extremist fans of the Israeli club.

The ban ignited an intense controversy and was criticised by the prime minister, as well as others claiming it was a surrender to antisemitism.

The police assessment led to the fixture on 6 November at Villa Park in Birmingham being classed as high risk. The intelligence and risk assessments that led to that conclusion and ban have not been made public.

But sources with knowledge of the details of the intelligence and risk assessments have told the Guardian that the Maccabi fans were considered likely to be the perpetrators of trouble.

According to sources, police intelligence said:

Scores of extreme Maccabi fans with a past history of violence and shouting “racist taunts” were expected to travel to the Birmingham game.

Dutch police told their British counterparts that the Maccabi fans had instigated trouble in Amsterdam at a game last year.

They had randomly picked Muslims in Amsterdam to attack. That led to reprisal violence with some Dutch Jews attacked.

A huge Dutch police effort, involving 5,000 officers across three days, was needed to quell the trouble.

A community impact assessment by West Midlands police recorded that some Jewish people wanted the Maccabi fans banned because of the trouble that might ensue if they attended.

Any trouble started by Maccabi fans attending the Birmingham game could lead to reprisals from local people and further trouble.

The process did not consider whether the ban on fans of the Israeli club could be criticised as antisemitic itself or surrendering to antisemitism.

The ban on Maccabi fans was made by Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group. It was decided after an intelligence assessment was conducted by West Midlands police, shared with the national UK football policing unit.

The UK football policing unit is understood to have backed the conclusions reached by local police.

papa smurf

22-10-2025 09:10

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36205072)

I thought the game was two sided. I guess you see it differently. Fairs :tu:

the fans aren't playing but both teams are. so it's still a two sided game.

Chris

22-10-2025 09:29

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36205076)

Unfortunately plod has form when it comes to giving undue weight to activists in recent times. Starmer might - might - have spoken hastily in this instance, however only a blind fool could fail to see the extreme latitude given to the pro-pals in their terrorist tea towels to act in threatening ways and utter blatant antisemitic slurs on our streets over the past months. Questionable decisions in the name of community cohesion (Rotherham, anyone?) and over-reaction, bowing to pressure from well-placed activists (5 armed coppers arresting a comedian for something he wrote on the internet) would tend to erode even a prime minister’s assumption that the police are handling culturally-sensitive issues fairly.

thenry

22-10-2025 09:40

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36205077)

the fans aren't playing but both teams are. so it's still a two sided game.

You think the fans are a collective?

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