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thenry

16-10-2025 19:47

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modern society!

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Aston Villa can confirm the club has been informed that no away fans may attend the UEFA Europa League match with Maccabi Tel Aviv on Thursday, November 6, following an instruction from the Safety Advisory Group.

The Safety Advisory Group (SAG) are responsible for issuing safety certificates for every match at Villa Park, based on a number of physical and safety factors.

Following a meeting this afternoon, the SAG have formally written to the club and UEFA to advise no away fans will be permitted to attend Villa Park for this fixture.

West Midlands Police have advised the SAG that they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.

The club are in continuous dialogue with Maccabi Tel Aviv and the local authorities throughout this ongoing process, with the safety of supporters attending the match and the safety of local residents at the forefront of any decision.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/oct...cabi-tel-aviv/

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Maccabi Tel Aviv fans will not be able to attend their side's Europa League match with Aston Villa because of safety concerns, it has been announced.

West Midlands Police said the decision was based partly on what happened in Amsterdam last year, when Maccabi Tel Aviv fans attending a match against Ajax were targets of antisemitic attacks.

Dozens of people were arrested and Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof said assaults "against Israelis and Jews are nothing short of shocking and reprehensible".

The Jewish Leadership Council, which works to protect British Jews, slammed the decision to stop Israeli fans from travelling to Birmingham.

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-t...cerns-13451240

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Aston Villa’s Europa League match against Maccabi Tel Aviv next month is set to be played without any away fans of the Israeli club at the game.

West Midlands Police has advised Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group (SAG) to hold the match at Villa Park on November 6 without away supporters due to safety concerns around the fixture, sources have told The Times.

It would be unprecedented for the SAG not to follow police advice, and Uefa will implement a ban on away fans on the basis of a decision by the local authorities.

A number of threats have been made around the match, which are understood to have been taken seriously by police.

About 120 travelling fans attended Maccabi Tel Aviv’s Europa League match against the Greek side PAOK on September 24, amid heavy police protection, with pro-Palestinian protests taking place outside the ground in Thessaloniki. They are the only Israeli side in European club competition this season.

There were also protests when Israel’s national team played in Norway and Italy this week in World Cup qualifiers.

The ceasefire agreed in Gaza has meant that plans by Uefa to vote on suspending Israel have been put on hold. The Times revealed last month that several European clubs had asked Uefa if there was any way they could avoid playing Israeli opponents.

West Midlands Police and Villa have been approached for comment.

https://archive.ph/FJLG3

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/footb...game-96bc9bkp7

Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.

papa smurf

16-10-2025 19:52

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36204785)

modern society!

Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.

safety first

i hate football so I'll just say if you can't behave it's tough shyte

Paul	16-10-2025 20:02

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36204785)

Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.

There will be fans, just mostly Aston Villa fans.

Pierre

16-10-2025 20:54

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Keep politics out of sport.

That used to be the slogan didn’t it?

thenry

16-10-2025 20:57

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Only when it suits them. Cry for Ukraine is still prevalent.

Hugh	16-10-2025 21:20

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36204801)

Keep politics out of sport.

That used to be the slogan didn’t it?

Who said that?

Pierre

16-10-2025 21:24

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36204812)

Who said that?

I don’t know who, but it was used during the days of apartheid when people still wanted to play South Africa at cricket and rugby.

thenry

17-10-2025 18:55

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So the government are trying to make this match go ahead as normal. I find it tragic whether or not both sets of fans have thugs. Not any one person will ever dominate this world. I feel the exclusion hands power to a very dangerous presidence. Birmingham doesn't belong to any one faith. Trump declared drug terrorism. Our coward leader should declare this terrorism!

Pierre

17-10-2025 19:43

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“Keep racism out of football”

Will they be taking the knee this weekend?

Pierre

19-10-2025 22:35

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The hostages are out.

I would now level the place.

Give 48hrs notice, then level it.

Paul	19-10-2025 23:18

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36204868)

Will they be taking the knee this weekend?

Forest and Chelsea did. It wasnt well greeted, people are tired of a useless political jesture.

Carth

20-10-2025 11:31

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36204934)

Forest and Chelsea did. It wasnt well greeted, people are tired of a useless political jesture.

I think people are fed up with most of the politically correct guff that's taken us over, it's not just sport fans

denphone

20-10-2025 11:49

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36204867)

The government and most politicians should leave it to the West Midlands Police as their current intelligence has been proved to be absolutely spot on.

Sephiroth

20-10-2025 12:39

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36204948)

The government and most politicians should leave it to the West Midlands Police as their current intelligence has been proved to be absolutely spot on.

So, do you think that Maccabi fans should be banned from the game?

papa smurf

20-10-2025 12:40

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36204948)

The government and most politicians should leave it to the West Midlands Police as their current intelligence has been proved to be absolutely spot on.

exactly

Tel Aviv football derby between Hapoel and Maccabi called off after rioting

https://www.theguardian.com/football...-after-rioting

denphone

20-10-2025 13:31

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204953)

So, do you think that Maccabi fans should be banned from the game?

Yes is the simple answer and it has nothing to do with religion.

Sephiroth

20-10-2025 15:32

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36204957)

Yes is the simple answer and it has nothing to do with religion.

Would that be fair given the Muslim influence in Birmingham?
Would it not be best for the police to be augmented with additional resources? Don't you think there is an anti-Israel element to this ban?

denphone

20-10-2025 15:47

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204965)

Would that be fair given the Muslim influence in Birmingham?
Would it not be best for the police to be augmented with additional resources? Don't you think there is an anti-Israel element to this ban?

Why?, as the Police's job is to weigh the security risk and then make a rational, reasoned decision, it happens a fair amount when it comes to football matches.

Hugh	20-10-2025 15:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204965)

Do you think there was one at this ban?

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Tel Aviv football derby between Hapoel and Maccabi called off after rioting

Or any of these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c203z1d0yjwo

Or Eintracht Frankfurt vs Napoli at the Stadio Diego Armando Maradona in Naples, Italy.

https://www.sportbible.com/football/...07409-20251018

1andrew1

20-10-2025 18:13

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204965)

I think the Police are looking at a bunch of football-following hooligans and seeing them as just that. I don't think they should be given special treatment because of the country they hail from.

Sephiroth

20-10-2025 20:09

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204974)

I think the Police are looking at a bunch of football-following hooligans and seeing them as just that. I don't think they should be given special treatment because of the country they hail from.

But there's a context. An extant antisemitism context. Had the scene been different, a ban could be justified if additional resources to police the crowds couldn't be found.

Pierre

20-10-2025 21:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204974)

I think the Police are looking at a bunch of football-following hooligans and seeing them as just that. I don't think they should be given special treatment because of the country they hail from.

I think you have it the wrong way round, the police have based their original decision looking at the safety of the Maccabi fans from pro-Hamas protestors, not from Maccabi football hooligans.

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West Midlands Police said they partly based their decision about next month's match on what happened last year, when violent clashes between pro-Palestinian demonstrators and Israeli fans erupted around the UEFA Europa League football match between Dutch club Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Five men were given prison sentences for attacks on visiting fans in riots denounced as antisemitic by Dutch authorities and foreign leaders, including Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Sephiroth

20-10-2025 22:53

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This is very serious. If the Police are afraid of pro-Hamas thugs, then what hope is there when said thugs decide to come onto the streets anyway?

We (the UK) seems to be at the mercy (to some degree at least) of the enemy within.

tweetiepooh

21-10-2025 10:51

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I wouldn't read it as fear of the thugs but that it causes a volatile situation that can be avoided. If they had let the fans in and something happened then they would be blamed for ignoring intelligence that warned something could happen.

Sephiroth

21-10-2025 13:12

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36205008)

This really is rock/hard place stuff. BUT -

If the fear is that pro-Hamas groups will enact street violence because Maccabi fans are attending a footie match, then it is the pro-Hamas lot that need to be dealt with. This violent, antisemitic minority must not be able to dictate events.

Paul	21-10-2025 15:10

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36205012)

... minority must not be able to dictate events.

This is how our country works now, the vocal minority dictate.

Sephiroth

21-10-2025 15:37

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…. And it must stop - particularly where it as alien culture that is doing the dictating.

papa smurf

21-10-2025 16:22

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Maccabi Tel Aviv FC fans will not be able to buy tickets to Aston Villa match in Birmingham
The Tel Aviv side won't sell their supporters any tickets - irrespective of whether the current ban on attendance is overturned or not.Maccabi Tel Aviv FC fans will not be able to buy tickets to Aston Villa match in Birmingham

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-t...match-13454141

looks like their thugs won't be meeting our thugs after all

thenry

21-10-2025 16:33

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A match spoiled by a bunch of offended people. How sad.

papa smurf

21-10-2025 16:46

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36205045)

A match spoiled by a bunch of offended people. How sad.

the match was incidental, the fight was the main event

Paul	21-10-2025 22:27

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36205045)

A match spoiled by a bunch of offended people. How sad.

I think thats a bit of an exageration, the match will not be spoilt, and there will be plenty of fans still.

thenry

21-10-2025 22:34

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36205065)

I think thats a bit of an exageration, the match will not be spoilt, and there will be plenty of fans still.

Home fans only :confused:

Paul	21-10-2025 22:41

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36205068)

Home fans only :confused:

Yes (officially). How is that confusing ?

thenry

21-10-2025 22:48

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36205071)

Yes (officially). How is that confusing ?

I thought the game was two sided. I guess you see it differently. Fairs :tu:

denphone

22-10-2025 07:25

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l guess Keir Starmer and his clones delusionally think they know more then the West Midlands Police.

Intelligence on ‘extreme’ Maccabi fans with history of violence led to Villa Park ban.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...villa-park-ban

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Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters were banned from watching their game against Aston Villa after police intelligence concluded the biggest risk of violence came from extremist fans of the Israeli club.

The ban ignited an intense controversy and was criticised by the prime minister, as well as others claiming it was a surrender to antisemitism.

The police assessment led to the fixture on 6 November at Villa Park in Birmingham being classed as high risk. The intelligence and risk assessments that led to that conclusion and ban have not been made public.

But sources with knowledge of the details of the intelligence and risk assessments have told the Guardian that the Maccabi fans were considered likely to be the perpetrators of trouble.

According to sources, police intelligence said:

Scores of extreme Maccabi fans with a past history of violence and shouting “racist taunts” were expected to travel to the Birmingham game.

Dutch police told their British counterparts that the Maccabi fans had instigated trouble in Amsterdam at a game last year.

They had randomly picked Muslims in Amsterdam to attack. That led to reprisal violence with some Dutch Jews attacked.

A huge Dutch police effort, involving 5,000 officers across three days, was needed to quell the trouble.

A community impact assessment by West Midlands police recorded that some Jewish people wanted the Maccabi fans banned because of the trouble that might ensue if they attended.

Any trouble started by Maccabi fans attending the Birmingham game could lead to reprisals from local people and further trouble.

The process did not consider whether the ban on fans of the Israeli club could be criticised as antisemitic itself or surrendering to antisemitism.

The ban on Maccabi fans was made by Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group. It was decided after an intelligence assessment was conducted by West Midlands police, shared with the national UK football policing unit.

The UK football policing unit is understood to have backed the conclusions reached by local police.

papa smurf

22-10-2025 09:10

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36205072)

I thought the game was two sided. I guess you see it differently. Fairs :tu:

the fans aren't playing but both teams are. so it's still a two sided game.

Chris

22-10-2025 09:29

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36205076)

Unfortunately plod has form when it comes to giving undue weight to activists in recent times. Starmer might - might - have spoken hastily in this instance, however only a blind fool could fail to see the extreme latitude given to the pro-pals in their terrorist tea towels to act in threatening ways and utter blatant antisemitic slurs on our streets over the past months. Questionable decisions in the name of community cohesion (Rotherham, anyone?) and over-reaction, bowing to pressure from well-placed activists (5 armed coppers arresting a comedian for something he wrote on the internet) would tend to erode even a prime minister’s assumption that the police are handling culturally-sensitive issues fairly.

thenry

22-10-2025 09:40

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36205077)

the fans aren't playing but both teams are. so it's still a two sided game.

You think the fans are a collective?

thenry

04-12-2025 19:11

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Israel will be allowed to compete in next year's Eurovision Song Contest - with several broadcasters saying they will now boycott the event.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-al...hdraw-13479330

Its one thing talking but another actually taking action. Brutal acts is all I can say about the whole fiasco :upyours:

thenry

10-12-2025 18:18

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Iceland has announced it is boycotting next year's Eurovision over Israel's participation in the competition, saying taking part would "neither be a source of joy nor peace".

Dutch broadcaster AVROTROS, Spain's RTVE, Ireland's RTE and Slovenia's RTV immediately issued statements announcing their withdrawal.

https://news.sky.com/story/iceland-t...ation-13481807

have these boycotters been berated at all? all the while football and politics can mix for Ukraine :rolleyes: cry more!

papa smurf

10-12-2025 19:16

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I'm going to boycott the Eurovision song contest

Hugh	10-12-2025 19:32

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36207620)

have these boycotters been berated at all? all the while football and politics can mix for Ukraine :rolleyes: cry more!

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36207624)

I'm going to boycott the Eurovision song contest

That’s a bit woke…

Carth

10-12-2025 19:34

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If everyone but the UK boycotted it . . would we have a chance of winning it, or even coming in the top 3?

thenry

10-12-2025 19:37

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207627)

If everyone but the UK boycotted it . . would we have a chance of winning it, or even coming in the top 3?

A trophy for competing but really nobody else turned up? It must be excellent living that bullshit life.

TheDaddy

10-12-2025 19:49

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207627)

If everyone but the UK boycotted it . . would we have a chance of winning it, or even coming in the top 3?

Only problem with that statement is the UK is joint 3rd on the all time winners list...

papa smurf

10-12-2025 19:58

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36207625)

That’s a bit woke…

it's because it's crap

thenry

10-12-2025 20:01

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36207630)

Only problem with that statement is the UK is joint 3rd on the all time winners list...

Joint second

https://www.officialcharts.com/chart...-song-contest/

Hugh	10-12-2025 20:10

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36207631)

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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post

That’s a bit woke…

it's because it's crap

I meant you boycotting the Eurovision Song Contest…

Carth

10-12-2025 20:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36207633)

I meant you boycotting the Eurovision Song Contest…

I thought everyone boycotted it to be honest, obviously apart from the contestants . . . and a few of the Judges . . and the TV companies

Hugh	10-12-2025 21:26

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207635)

I thought everyone boycotted it to be honest, obviously apart from the contestants . . . and a few of the Judges . . and the TV companies

Your proposition is unfounded*

*166 million people watched the 2025 Eurovision Song Contest

Carth

10-12-2025 22:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36207638)

Your proposition is unfounded*

*166 million people watched the 2025 Eurovision Song Contest

Just shows that some people will watch anything . . .

Sephiroth

11-12-2025 14:54

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There will be a reason why Israel is a Eurovision member and Gaza etc are not.

Those hypocritical countries boycotting Eurovision are displaying their true anti-semitic tendencies.

Btw, I always watch the voting.

Carth

11-12-2025 15:01

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36207667)

Probably funnier and more interesting than anything 'Ant & Dec' or '4 in a bed dining with traitors on ice at a garden makeover'

Sephiroth

11-12-2025 15:17

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207669)

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Probably funnier and more interesting than anything 'Ant & Dec' or '4 in a bed dining with traitors on ice at a garden makeover'

You do watch a load of shit!

Carth

11-12-2025 16:01

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36207672)

You do watch a load of shit!

Wife does, I simply have to suffer the sound of it when on the PC or reading. If listening to music through headphones I have the volume loud, which she then complains about :D. . . leading to a 'loudness' battle

1andrew1

11-12-2025 17:56

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36207667)

I always watch Eurovision too. I don't agree with not inviting Israel but I don't conflate being anti-Israeli government as anti-Semitic. And there's plenty of Israeli nationals who are anti the Israeli government too.

Sephiroth

11-12-2025 20:07

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36207679)

"Jewish" is a special case, imo. You can see how it spills over in various attacks. "Bloody Jews" is easy meat. Also, "from the river to the sea" is a call to genocide of Jews.

Mr K	11-12-2025 21:44

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36207691)

"Jewish" is a special case, imo. You can see how it spills over in various attacks. "Bloody Jews" is easy meat. Also, "from the river to the sea" is a call to genocide of Jews.

Its not a special case. A war crime is a war crime no matter what's happened in the past.

thenry

23-12-2025 18:14

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Two Islamic State extremists have been found guilty of plotting a deadly gun attack on Manchester's Jewish community.

Saadaoui planned the attack with Amar Hussein, 52, a former Iraqi soldier who had claimed to be from Kuwait when he arrived in the UK in 2006.

https://news.sky.com/story/islamic-s...ester-13485467

I'm surprised they didn't claim friendly fire :rolleyes:

TheDaddy

23-12-2025 22:58

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36207679)

You know they call them self loathing Jews, just because they don't go along with those shysters in their government

Pierre

23-12-2025 23:07

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36207679)

I don't conflate being anti-Israeli government as anti-Semitic. And there's plenty of Israeli nationals who are anti the Israeli government too.

That always the go to argument………”I’m not anti-Jewish, I’m anti Israeli - Government”

Which is bollocks, obviously, and a pathetic way to to disguise your anti-semitism.

“I don’t hate the British, just Kier Starmer”..……..as you call for the eradication of the British State?

Sorry, that supposed get out card doesn’t work anymore. If you’re anti-Israel………you are anti-Jew and by definition anti-Semitic.

papa smurf

24-12-2025 10:07

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36208149)

That always the go to argument………”I’m not anti-Jewish, I’m anti Israeli - Government”

Which is bollocks, obviously, and a pathetic way to to disguise your anti-semitism.

“I don’t hate the British, just Kier Starmer”..……..as you call for the eradication of the British State?

Sorry, that supposed get out card doesn’t work anymore. If you’re anti-Israel………you are anti-Jew and by definition anti-Semitic.

i'm British and i hate Kier Starmer

Sephiroth

24-12-2025 10:14

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Didn’t he say “I’m Starmer and I hate Britain”?

papa smurf

24-12-2025 14:08

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36208162)

Didn’t he say “I’m Starmer and I hate Britain”?

what ever he says is always grey bland and usually a lie, i think the man is a lying snake who has never been acquainted with the truth

Carth

24-12-2025 19:47

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Rumoured that he was seen driving his 4x4 in N.E. Lincolnshire . . .

papa smurf

24-12-2025 21:37

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36208187)

Rumoured that he was seen driving his 4x4 in N.E. Lincolnshire . . .

couldn't have been him he didn't u turn

thenry

04-01-2026 15:39

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In a statement on Friday evening, Iran's foreign ministry condemned the "intimidating remarks" and accused the US of "escalating tensions in the region".

"The Islamic Republic of Iran's response to any aggression will be swift, decisive, and comprehensive," it added.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-thre...rning-13489824

What are Iran going to do while a satellite watches them :dunce: Trumps hardly going to stick it up his arse and spin on it. No dignity Iran.

thenry

09-01-2026 19:51

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Demonstrations first began last month in Tehran, triggered by a sharp decline in the value of the rial currency. Protests have since spread to all 31 of the country's provinces, with tens of thousands gathering in the streets.

The death toll from the violence around the demonstrations has now reached at least 62, with more than 2,300 other people detained, according to the US-based Human Rights Activists News Agency.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-late...#liveblog-body

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Truth Social, on 2 January, Trump wrote: "If Iran shoots [sic] and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go."

In response to Trump's post, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council wrote on X: "Trump should know that US interference in this internal matter would mean destabilising the entire region and destroying America's interests."

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-late...#liveblog-body

Holding on with dear life :naughty:

Sephiroth

09-01-2026 21:09

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It's in the world's interest that Iran's regime is taken down. Will Trump be as good as his word?

Hugh	09-01-2026 22:10

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

<cough cough>Iraq…<cough cough>

jem	09-01-2026 22:29

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36208695)

It's in the world's interest that Iran's regime is taken down. Will Trump be as good as his word?

Yes, OK, arguably right. But then what?

Suppose the US carry out a decapitation strike, kill the ‘Supreme Leader’, many if not all of the government - what do you think will happen? There is no opposition party (presumably pro-western) ready and organised to take over. Most likely the entire country will collapse into anarchy, unless the US is prepared to ‘put boots on the ground’ in large numbers and, basically take the country over and run it.

And that is easier said than done, although people may have no real love for the existing regime, they tend to resent a regime forced on them from outside. I do fear that this will make Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan look like a bad cold in terms of US and Iranian casualties.

Always, always have a clearly defined exit strategy, not just ‘oh this isn’t working and the polls are against us, so we are basically going to just pull out and leave chaos behind us, and naturally this wont foster a load of terrorist groups, all of which now have a hatred on the US - well it’ll be something for a future administration to deal with’.

For the US, removing the current regime in Iran is fairly easy, dealing with the consequences, isn’t. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced that the current US administration has the foresight to understand this.

thenry

09-01-2026 22:39

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

Can the Arab nations step up, middle easterns ? Or will they battle in Mecca :rolleyes:

Hugh	09-01-2026 22:53

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Main clause = good question
Subordinate clause = wibble!

thenry

14-01-2026 17:29

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36204785)

modern society!

Football without fans is nothing. Unless it's COVID. And government action. Yet this goes amiss.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36205041)

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Home Secretary, Shabana Mahmood, has said she no longer has confidence in the chief of West Midlands Police, following the force's decision to ban Israeli football fans from attending a game in the UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...#liveblog-body

https://news.sky.com/story/home-secr...n-ban-13493637

terrorise society :redcard:

Damien

14-01-2026 19:57

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They used a fictional match generated by an AI bot in their evidence. Little doubt he needs to go, given the other issues they had around the evidence provided to ban Maccabi fans.

thenry

16-01-2026 17:41

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The chief constable of West Midlands Police is retiring with immediate effect, the region's crime commissioner, Simon Foster, has confirmed.

It comes amid criticism of the force's decision to ban fans of Israeli team Maccabi Tel Aviv from a game against Aston Villa last year.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...#liveblog-body

Good I guess. There were all sorts of accusations thrown around, Birmingham being of divisive social behaviours one of them.

---------- Post added at 16:41 ---------- Previous post was at 16:33 ----------

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Exiled crown prince Reza Pahlavi is now speaking at a news conference in Washington.

He started out with a minute of silence "for the courageous Iranian people".

The message he conveys is that "the so-called Islamic Republic is not the government of Iran".

"This is no longer mere repression, this is foreign occupation wearing clerical robes."

He adds: "The Islamic Republic will fall - not if but when."

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-late...#liveblog-body

Horrible to see lives lost for this cause. It doesn't make it right. :no:

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