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The Sun was reporting last week that YouTube Kids would be exempt, but I can’t find anything confirming that.

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I sincerely hope that Youtube isn't going to be included in this age verification crap.

Much of my entertainment is via Youtube - Music, watching old comedy stuff, checking out games I'm thinking of getting, and occasionally searching for answers on how to change the spogthrutch linkage on cars not designed to be maintained by human hands

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Yoti just looked at my face . I created an account and where Yoti is used I just log in verify and that is it no personal details

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As noted by thenry, it does appear YouTube Kids will be exempt, I think thats what she is using (via Amazon Kids).

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On tonights BBC News the responses ranged from "it will save thousands of generations " & "it feels like they don't trust us to use it properly".

On the local news, following an experiment in Bradford, it was "it makes me much happier and I feel hralthirr", "i've been catching up on a lot of sleep" & "it's enabled me to read books & go outside to play football or something".

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Only Reform is talking sense. It’s amazing to me that so many people don’t realise this yet.

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Huh ?

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They mean children spending hours scrolling through social media because they are addicted to it.

YouTube is classed as social media because it has user generated comments and there have been cases of inappropriate comments, bullying, harrassment etc.

Critics have said that this initiative will lead to children turning to VPN's and/or unregulated sites.

Who knows, perhaps this move will attract thousands of children to cableforum grin ��

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I think he meant ...from the pitfalls/downsides of social media use.

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You are correct. We are changing the law for a minority of children who are vulnerable and should have better parental oversight at the expense of the majority, who know and understand right from wrong.

The correct solution is to ensure the social media companies employ safeguards. It can’t be that difficult.

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Richard, did you go to a State school? Remember the playground?

What’s the difference?

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It's been discussed previously as to why leaving it to parental responsibility doesn't work.

Critics agree with your point about making social media companies responsible for safety instead of this ban. The trouble with this is that they tend to be located abroard and put profits before anything else & Ofcom would face the same issues when trying to enforce our laws onto them as they have found when trying to enforce over 18 legislation for porn sites thus far, if they don't comply.

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You don’t get it, Richard. Kids nowadays are familiar with VPNs and know how to circumvent the system.

What you have been advocating all this time will penalise adults, not kids.

A better solution than this is required.

Incidentally, on your point about internet security, my eldest daughter used to monitor her children’s use of the internet, and if they were sneakily trying to use it outside of the approved times, she would switch off the broadband.

It’s not rocket science.

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What's going to happen in the next stage of this fiasco, you know, when 80% of the UK internet traffic is going through VPN's?

:rofl:

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They'll call it a success and they'll say everything is working to plan.

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That would be a disaster for online safety and children’s private information - everything is being sent through some dodgy VPN provider, based, God knows where, offering a ‘free’ service - free, because?

See ‘Law of Unintended Consequences’!

But ‘peanut’ is right, the politicians will point to stats showing that very few under-16s are connecting to social media from UK-based IP addresses*; and laud it as a great success.

*Because they are all connecting from, apparently, somewhere in Azerbaijan!

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I always remember PIA VPN when VPNs are discussed because they used "always use protection" as their slogan. Imagine ID requirements to buy condoms, contraception fall and birth giving on the rise. Proper labour that. Those college courses for young mothers were a hit during labours last tenure.

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Actually, I’m not 100% sure that I understand what Richard’s position on this really is.

On the face of it, it does look as if he is in favour of increased controls irrespective of the consequences to everyone else - but then he posts that a similar scheme in Australia has resulted in some 70% of under-16s have managed to trivially bypass the requirements. Which is true and would undermine any argument he might have in favour.

So it’s all very confusing - so maybe, just to clarify things, would you, Richard, be prepared to state, unequivocally, your stance on this? Just so we all know where we all stand and can argue our cases rationally.

I’ll start; I’m all in favour of doing what is ‘reasonable’ to protect children from the murkier side of the internet - but this simply will not work. Just as in Australia, the majority of children who actively want to use social media will, absolutely will, find a way around it. Yes some will be deterred, and stop using it. But the cost, the cost to everyone else who needs to somehow prove their age?

Yes I know the argument ‘well if it saves just one child then.....’

The vast, vast majority of child abuse incidents (sexual or otherwise) take place in their own home or the home of a relative. Should it be mandated that permanently-on CCTV cameras be fitted into every room (yes including the bathroom) in every house in the UK, recording 24/7?

After all, if it saves one child then.......

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Starmer has done another u turn with this . Looking for support from his MPs. Not sure I am happy about having to prove am 76.

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My view is that any right thinking person should want to protect the vulnerable from harm by predators, scammers, bullies etc, be they be vulnerable due to age, disability, mental illness/disability etc.

Generally speaking I have a neutral stance on the attempts being made and have no axe to grind, so don't think it's helpful to try and cause political mischief, so it's all up for discussion, as long as transparency is maintained at all times.

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i suppose kids will just have to go back to joining gangs and making everyone's life a living hell now they won't have anything to do ,bit of grand theft auto, shoplifting, all the fun things that kids in bedrooms don't do

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What; you claim to be 76, but your profile on CF clearly states that you are 75?

Citizen, we need you to come down to the station while we verify your actual status.

You see where this is headed?

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I was thinking I could claim to be 21 (again) but then got worried they'd stop my pension :erm:

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Perhaps he'll be 76 by the time this comes into effect ... ;)

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:D. :D. :D

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Forgive the length and the "nervousness" I am just starting out making videos, but this is a video I did recently on my new router.

Skip to the 1 hour mark to see what all ISP's should be forced to introduce and why parents should be educated on how to enable blocks.

The software has now been updated to the latest one, and I am planning on making a follow up within the next month or so, still got a lot to deal with but it gives an idea on the ease at which things can be controlled at home, without government intervention or loss of privacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGyScxlG7Cc


Although it wouldn't stop kids seeing comments, there is another option in the software where you can make it "Safe for work" essentially which is what holiday parks etc use which disables the ability to make or see the comments on YouTube.

That sort of thing could be implemented onto home routers, kids phones etc and if a kid is found with a phone that is not classed as a "kids phone" the parents get fined.

It's quite simple really but that won't make money for the companies who are taking your data, monitoring everything you do on the internet via the likes of Yoti etc and from selling you access to a VPN in order to get around the restrictions they are pushing to be implemented in order to make money from VPN sales.

The amount of bad VPN's hitting the markets is astronomical and I am telling you now, if you have kids keep an eye on what VPN they install, because they will install one, because there are ones forcing ad's to be watched, ones which are turning the mic's and cameras on, on devices and recording the user's, all this OSA and Social Media ban is doing is exposing the kids to more danger, but hey what do those with common sense know.

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Thinking of when it becomes law.
: Sorry you couldn't work that out. Should have remembered what a friend for mine , whom was a TV reporter said when I asked why he asked such obvious questions," you have to ask for the most stupid person you can think of."

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Think he could and did work it out tbf, anyway, haven't you got an appointment at the station to be going to...

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Sorry you have lost me,:shocked:

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happy to help Itshim ;)

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Heard someone say this morning that the only way to stop children accessing YouTube on the TV app is via the router.

Good point about bad VPN's, children trying to circumvent the ban are likely to go for the first free one they come across.

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From September schoolchildren will be taught about the pitfalls of social media.

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Are there any ads on YouTube Kids?

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https://support.google.com/youtubeki...you%20selected.

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Yep and when you have a government who see no issues with going into schools and then telling kids, "your dad is wrong" because the kid's dad opposes what Labour are saying, you know the only ad's going to be allowed to be shown in the UK are "Labour Approved Propaganda".

When the Conservatives or Reform or who ever is in next, they will do the same, control the message seen by kids in order to try and control who they vote for, try to stop them seeing a counter argument to everything the government says.

All about control, not about protecting children.

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It's stupidly easy to block stuff, but that doesn't give data to the people who want these blocks in place, so the simple blocks will not be done.

When I get some money, I am grabbing a 3 year VPN from PIA, I will then go into my router and most of the traffic from my network will be routed over the VPN.

My brothers eldest daughter was staying here for a few days whilst her dad was doing the celtman, she couldn't go because of exams, I gave her an experience of what it would be like if she was living in the era of what it will be like when this government implement all the stuff they want to, let's just say she hated it and because she will be able to vote at the next election said she will not be voting for the clowns in charge now!

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It's a damn shame that this thing can't have a trial period of one week . . sometime in the next few months . . so that the general population and the Government can see the problems that are sure to arise.

it's gonna be too late once it's law

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if the tec giants got together and banned mp's from all social media sites i think we might see a screeching u turn in a very short time once they get a taste of what they're proposing for the younger generations.

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Very good Papa, I like it :tu:

They'd all go screaming to the IT Dept. and get the answer "you broke it, you fix it" :D

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They did a trial with a "Fake" social media platform of all different situations, it was completely rigged as they controlled the content visible, they controlled and forced content that they deem "bad" to be seen.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safe...al-media-users

Right at the start of the document they state "but almost 3 in 10 adults (27%) say they have recently been exposed to potentially harmful content", the question is how "sensitive" was the person who decided what is "harmful content, violent etc"


The Government have done this to be skewed to how they want it to come out, they were never going to do anything but what they wanted.

It's the same with my local council they say "have your say on these roadworks" meanwhile they have already instructed utility companies that the work is going ahead on X date making the consultation pointless.


Said before and I will say it again, welcome to North Korea where soon we will all have to have photos of Starmer on our wall's, wake up each morning and have to salute, bow and then say "Good Morning Lord".

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Can we change the thread title to

"the state censorship and data collection bill"

:D

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That'd learn them,from memory we had one watching porn in the chamber, about a dozen caught in a grinder honey trap, more caught in the ashley maddison data breach and dozens having been found to be spending time on a local affairs website, maybe they thought its was current affairs as in currently having an affair, hope elmo and the others do scupper their shenanigans