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The very same people who cried foul over that result are now denying Trump the right to do the same to the 2020 election result , hmmm isn't that strange.

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Comparing apples with giraffes - one was an advisory referendum, the other was a National Election.

One took points of law, supported by evidence, to the Courts and won some cases, the other never took any evidence of fraud to the Courts, but still cried "Fraud!”.

One never had anyone trying to say certain votes didn’t count, the other did. (even though they had brought the laws in about those votes).

Nice try...

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Your evidence is tossed case closed.

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A US Constitutional Law Professor on Twitter (@ProfBrianKalt) has pointed out a small problem with the Republican Members of the House/Senate who may try to overturn the State Certification in Congress on the 6th January (to stop Biden becoming President).

Ya possibly Maggy :)

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No “possibly” about it. If you still believe any of this extremist far-right nonsense you’re a moron.

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There's plenty of those in the US.;)

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Plenty in the UK as well. ;)

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Republican plan to challenge election signals ‘cult of Trump’ will live on in Biden era
Around 140 Republicans expected vote against counting of electoral college votes, in symbolic move to disrupt Congress and bolster Trump



Maverick super-loyalists to Donald Trump are set to make an audacious spectacle in Washington next week by voting against the formal counting of electoral college votes certifying Joe Biden’s victory.

While the tactic by outliers won’t be enough to stop Biden becoming the 46th president, it will serve to disrupt Congress, bolster Trump and establish an acidic tone to political co-operation with the incoming Democratic administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ctoral-college

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Not counting votes seems to be common theme in the 'cult of Trump'. Some of his nutty believers wanted to bring the military in to make sure people voted the right way in a rerun...

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Mr K being utterly and ridiculously one sided again. In everything you post it’s utter one sided, poorly researched drivel. You do know the pathetic and cheating Democrats have challenged the certification of electoral votes, in the last three Republican presidential election victories?

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Individual Democrats - not the losing candidates...

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Not even shocked by this!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55524838

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Possibly.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ashington-post

The audio has been released.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...991_video.html

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I think you meant pathetic and cheating Trump... Along with pardoning all his lackeys, and no doubt himself, he's been caught on tape (again) trying to force the Georgia election official into finding extra votes for him.

Either he's very stupid or just thinks he can get away with it. If it's the latter then its is very worrying for the future of the US.

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I just feel very sorry for all Trump's supporters who are now finally seeing him for what he truly is. And to the institutions of the United States which he has denigrated but have saved him from himself.

Stupid or thinks he can get away with it? Neither. He just doesn't seem in good mental health to me.

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Both I think, he's certainly taken abuse of power to a whole new level. Can't wait to see the back of the orange dictator.

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Quite a few will dismiss it as ”Fake News", and others will say he needs to do it as the Government/Deep State/Courts/Democrats/other Republicans/Soros/Hillary/Obama/etc. are ‘doing the same thing"/cheating/voter fraud/etc....

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Trump could order a military coup and his supporters will buy into whatever spin he gives.

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Nah they'll just ignore Andrews piss poor attempt at pretending to feel sorry for trump supporters:)

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If he can get General Bud F nukem on his side it sounds like a plan.

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You've saved Mick a rant there Hugh ! ;)

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Yeah he does not seem too keen on proper democratic democracy does he..

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Again, poorly researched nonsense you post. Get back to me when you check out who other past presidents have pardoned, far more dodgy people than “Trump’s lackey’s”, before leaving office. Clinton pardoned his own brother, that must have been a lackey. Obama pardoned Oscar Lopez Rivera, a suspected terrorist leader of an organisation responsible for 130 bombings in the US during 1974-1983. And yet here we have yet again, a TDS baseless rant on pardons on Trump associates indicated in a hoax investigation, led by Mueller.

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Yes you could say, he is acting like most of the Remoaners, have been on here for last four and half years.

I saw a piss poor attempt by Hugh, to suggest this is like comparing applies with giraffes, because EU ref was advisory, what utter bollocks. No it is not comparing like that at all.

Advisory or not, it was still a democratic mandate, to leave EU, so was 2017 General Election and the more recent 2019 Election that saw a landslide for a party that went on a campaign of respecting the 2016 EU Referendum. Those elections are not advisory btw. So don’t try this comparing bullshit, or even try suggest the EU Referendum, is a different kind of Democracy that it’s result was not important, that the result it created, was meaningless, a result to be ignored. It is not comparing apples and giraffes at all, it’s the same thing and the Remainers on here ranting about Trump not respecting Democracy, do us a favour. Stop being pathetic hypocrites.

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l am a remainer but l accepted the result because l believe in democracy like most do on this forum.

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And you think Trump is respecting democracy? because the very clear fact he is doing nothing of the sort but you know that anyway as it seems you want to turn the other cheek when it involves someone you strongly supported politically.

You cannot have your cake and eat it Mick...

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I don't think it's that, although he does seem particularly fond of the company of leaders who, shall we say, don't always tick the democracy box.

But I think in this instance that he genuinely believes that he won.

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But are you not the hypocrite for saying you believe in democracy when its quite clear that Trump is doing everything he can to not respect the democratic mandate of the people and yet you think there is nothing wrong with his actions.

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His flock of supporters may buy into his spin. But I doubt the army would obey the coup orders though.

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Cake and eat it?

Wtf you talking about?

I don’t want any cake. I accepted weeks ago Trump lost. I’ve barely posted in this thread for weeks.

Yes I support the idea that Democrats cheat, they do and there is evidence of this when they cooked up a fake Russian dossier, paid for by them and Hillary Clinton in 2016, in an attempt to get Trump out of office via impeachment. Because I believe this, doesn’t mean I support Trump.

I do not support Trump, I’m sick of saying this. I do however refuse to jump on the “Trump man bad” bandwagon, that many of you are on, have been on, that isn’t supporting him, I have heavily defended him, but that does not equal supporting him. If I was a US citizen, I would have abstained in the last two elections.

Joe Biden has, on appearance, a serious health problem, he is suffering from a cognitive decline issue. He will be the 46th President of the United States, but not for long. Kamala Harris will need to be sworn in as the 47th president, when the 25th Amendment is used.

What the last two elections have shown, the U.S Election process is mundane, outdated and prolonged than it needs to be.

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Stop putting words in my mouth Denphone and more importantly, wind your neck in. I have not said ever in this thread, he isn’t doing anything wrong, I have not passed any judgment on his actions. I have said infrequently, I do believe however that Democrats have cheated, like they always do. But this doesn’t mean I don’t accept Trump lost.

Quite frankly and to be totally truthful, I really haven’t cared much, pretty much because I live in the UK, not the U.S.

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that kind of statement is akin to calling Brexit voters, stupid, racist, uneducated.......etc.

Many voted for Trump because he offered an alternative, and I wouldn't bet against the next republican (whoever they may be) winning in 4 years, after Biden/Harris have dished out 4 more years of what they were sick of.

You don't have to like the man to vote for him, if you think he'd do a job for you.

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Agree with that. It's a joke.

Different voting systems and different rules in every state. They should not have electronic voting systems because it's so much easier for people to claim they're rigged, unlike paper.

They should all have the same rules on postal voting and when votes are within the allowed window and not. They should all be allowed to count them early as Flordia did and we do.

I know it's not currently constitutional but they need to have federal elections regulated by federal laws and federal bodies. They cannot legitimately claim this is a matter of States Rights when they're electing people to national office. There is no reason to leave it up to the States how their electors vote when it impacts the entire country. They're not sending people to Washington via horse and cart anymore and the country is already far more federalised than their founders intended because it turns out a great many things are more efficient if they're unified.

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That phone call is shocking. Trump clearly trying to get state officials to 'find' enough votes for him to steal the Georgia vote. Its been recounted3 time each with the same result. Trump lost and there was no fraud or cheating involved. However his constant whining has goths followers believing that there was fraud.

The sooner he is outofofficethe better.

Same with his suggesting that Biden is suffering dementia. Its simply not true.

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Where then is the pushback from within this base against this absurd attempt to overturn the election? Even the wider Republican Party is largely keeping quiet whilst the Trump base in Congress is actively seeking to challenge the counts this week.

When the court process failed they instead shifted to trying to find other ways of overturning the election but this time without due process. States were pressured to not certify, in Georgia's police had to protect the Republican Secretary of State because of the threats they were getting.

The election held up because a few people in these key positions refused to overrule process. It's incredibly dangerous.

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Joe Biden is suffering from Cognitive Decline. The stage before a Dementia diagnosis. I can say that because I work and have qualifications in healthcare. All the gaffes and memory lapses in his speeches shows this decline to be totally apparent.

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Maybe he's just old? He seems more switched on than most 78 year olds. The US has history here- Ronald Reagan wasn't exactly a bright spark. They should have an age limit.
He has a very capable deputy anyway and isn't a power mad narcissistic criminal dictator, so that's a definite
improvement.

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hopefully the tape make sure the democrats win Georgia senate seats and they have majority

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My mum and mother in law both have alzheimers and dementia I certainly know the signs and stages. Biden is not suffering cognitive decline. No matter what Trump tries to claim. He himself is prone to memory lapses and problems with walking and slurring his words from time to time.

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It's really a speech/stutter issue isn't it?

https://websterjournal.com/2020/11/1...ly-not-a-joke/

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Yes and airforce one is a flying pig.

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Yes he is and nothing you say changes this.

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He has a stutter and has suffered from it since he was young. Thats all it is.

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No that is not at all what it just is - He has a stutter that bad which makes him think he joined the Senate 180 years ago... he thought he was in a presidential fight against George Bush.... gimme a break...that is not just a stutter.

He is suffering from Cognitive Decline-end of.

Just read these:

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10...ental-decline/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...crats-video-vn

https://www.inquisitr.com/6408259/jo...sues-replaced/

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They mostly seem to be from Trump siding right leaning sites so of course they will post that sort of a story.

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I knew you would come back with that ridiculous copout - This said - the evidence is on video as well, captured over the last year or so.

The fact remains - Biden is in Cognitive Decline. He has made gaffe after gaffe, all signalling his cognitive issues.

You cannot excuse his 180 year Senate remark.

You cannot excuse his remark about running for president against George Bush.

You cannot excuse his gaffe that early last year he asked for help because he was running for the United States Senate.

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Trump also made many gaffes that are on video. He surely must also be suffering cognitive decline being of a similar age?

Suffering from a stutter and mixing up words is not always a sign of cognitive decline. Hell I say the wrong words sometimes when talking or mix things up. Look for something only to forget what I was looking for.

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We are not talking about Trump, I've said in the past he says stupid things, this is not a cognitive issue, this is just basic stupidity and yes I am saying that about Trump - you made an erroneous comment stated as though it is fact that Joe Biden only has a stutter and is not in cognitive decline, when in fact, remarks even made by doctors, one I linked to in that story, i.e people more qualified than you or I, say he is suffering from a cognitive impairment based off the very many gaffes he has made and made in front of the camera for all to see.

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To suggest that Former White House physician Dr Ronny Jackson; who recently won a Texas House seat for the Republicans; is going to give an unbiased opinion on Biden's health in such a politicised environment as the US is more than optimistic.

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You go on about evidence all the time Andrew, it's right there on many videos of all his gaffes, the symptoms of his cognitive decline.

I have not seen you excuse his remark about joining the Senate 180 years ago, or him thinking he is running against George Bush, because it cannot be excused for anything other than a cognitive decline problem.

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The man is 78 years old (older than Trump).
To deny he is in decline is just nuts, its well established that mental abilities decline with age.

The fact is that regardless of that, he could die soon anyway, he's reached the average lifespan for a male in the US.

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No one's denying that mental abilities decline with age. But talk of Biden having dementia and ignoring his stammer and related mistalking is off the mark.

I would be the first to put an age limit on being President and Trump and Biden both fall on the wrong side of it.

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Yes, I fell into the trap as well. :dunce:

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What has it got to do with you what people are discussing in this thread?

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Trap?

Jeez Louise...

There is no trap - If you want to discuss that, be my guest, this thread is about the U.S Election, the next president will be, albeit briefly, Joe Biden, so if I want to discuss his health issues, I do not need yours or Sephiroph's permission.

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Another court case denied - the Judge’s comments are pretty brutal.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...330.10.0_1.pdf

Some of the comments from the judgement

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Why are we still discussing court cases? (And yes, I can ask this).

Electors have chosen their president, there is no going back, all legal routes are exhausted.

So Biden will be the next president with a serious health problem.

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Because Trump supporters are still challenging the Election, including Senators and Representatives who intend to try and negate the Election results on the 6th January, and are also using these falsehoods in the run-off Elections in Georgia, which could decide who has the Senate Majority?

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Biden in great health, physically and mentally.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...456#blogHeader

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They can try all they like, it won't amount to anything. Trump will be relegated to the history books from the 20th January, as is duty bound by their Constitution.

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An opinion from well over a year ago, a lots happened since then and there has been plenty of gaffes which say otherwise about his mental health.

I do not deny he is in good physical condition, but I argue his cognitive issues are troublesome and they cannot be denied or excused.

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He's been making those stammer-related talking gaffes since day one. They've certainly not just happened after the December 2019 report as you infer.

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No he hasn't, you go back to the speeches he made when he was Vice President which was not that long ago, 5 years ago. His speeches were clear and concise.

Those gaffes are not just stammer-related. He is in Cognitive decline. You cannot excuse very clear signs of it.

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So Ive re-read the recent posts - where exactly was it said this is only since Dec 2019 ?

The only inference i can see is he is getting worse, as would be expected in someone getting older. Something you will find out if you make it that far yourself.

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He's never been a great speaker though he's doubtless pleased to stumble across someone who thinks he was. And he acknowledged he was gaffe-prone in 2018.

Before the medical report from December 2019, he made plenty of gaffes. Nothing has changed in this respect.* https://nypost.com/article/worst-joe-biden-gaffes/

* Actually, something probably has changed. The fake videos lapped up by Trump's faithful followers.

https://theconversation.com/faked-vi...-health-145975

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He was never a great speaker?

Andrew, may I introduce to you,

Joe Biden, 2008:



And meet Joe Biden, 12 years later.... 2020:

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Gaffe's a plenty from Biden here dating back to 1974!

Feast your ears on some classic moments including my favourite:
"John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word, jobs, JOBS, jobs. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFcRbttIUNk

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Gaffes a plenty, yeah, most from last year or two. :rolleyes:

The difference to young Biden vs. old Biden speaking is obvious. Like Paul has suggested, anyone who thinks Biden is not in cognitive decline, is nuts.

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I'm not sure Paul has suggested anything other than state the fact that everyone's mental abilities reduce with age. That's not in dispute, the question is whether Biden gaffes are due to something other than dementia.

The gaffes on this video are:
No. 1 - 2007
No. 2 - 1974
No. 3 - 2008
No. 4 - 2015
No. 5 - 2019
No. 6 - 2018
No. 7 - 2008
No. 8 - 2007
No. 9 - 2008
No. 10 - 2006
No. 11 - 2015
No. 12 - 2013
No. 13 - 2007

They clearly show a long career of being gaff prone! Years for his most top gaffes on this video were back in 2007 and 2008 with three each.

Has the rate of gaffes increased since his medical examination in December 2019? No one has proved this one way or the other as far as I can see.

Obviously, Biden is likely to have made far more speeches in 2020 as a Presidential Candidate and President Elect than in earlier years... and the more speeches he makes, the more gaffes he makes! I should state that the key indicator is the rate of gaffes and not the total number of gaffes Biden makes makes.

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This is a real election ad, not a spoof or satire - she’s a candidate in the Georgia run off election.

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Senate run off for the 2 seats in Georgia looking interesting - opposite happening from election night where the early votes are coming in blue first but will tilt red as the count goes on counting in person on the day votes.

Not much margin between the candidates either so unless it's very close it'll be all or bust.

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Democrats are favoured in the remaining vote. If Democrats take the Senate that'll make things a lot easier for Biden.

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AP has called one of the races for Warnock. The Democrat who has up against the odder of the two Republican candidates.

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Telling all your supporters the election is rigged might have backfired....

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It's Trump thats won this for the Democrats. All his racist, divisive lies have persuaded Afro-Americans to come out and vote. Some good from Donald, about time ! A lasting legacy for the Republicans :)

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Well even a month ago the Republicans were heavy favourites and they were ahead in terms of raw vote share back in November so what has happened since hasn't helped them. Either the Republican Senate turning down $2,000 checks (supported by Trump) or the way they've acted over the election results - maybe both.

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Are there any postal votes?

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Questions might be raised about 20,000 votes suddenly coming in from Cleethorpes.. ;)

Thank you for the call.... I wonder if he knew it was beiong recorded??

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Yes very easy for the lefties, AOC etc to bully Biden and turn America in to a socialist communist country. It’s going to heading for civil war for sure.

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Likewise, it'll be easy for conservative Dems to act as a break on AOC e.t.c. Although I don't personally thinking having universal healthcare is that radical obviously.

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Given the choice the Republicans and Democrats in the centre would hugely water down any too left wing proposals. And by too left wing I mean for their standards - not the European one.

In the Senate the democrats still need all 50 of their party to support any legislation just to get it to a tie - that's not going to be easy in itself.

Civil war could be a good laugh though. What are you fighting for? The right to pay thousands for health insurance :D

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:D:D:D

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Clearly not, or he would have mentioned the donations hotline number during the call. :D

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They would probably be fighting for the libertarians rights not to follow the science and not to practice pandemic precautions like mask-wearing and social-distancing.

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They didn't seen that bothered when all those dead people voted in the Presidential elections, are they under new rules for this vote?

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fake news

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They've tightened up procedures since 2015. ;)

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True - they caught someone this time,...

https://www.businessinsider.co.za/vo...-trump-2020-12

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So I keep seeing stuff that Mike Pence can refuse to accept votes that he believes are fraudulent. So can he in theory make it so Trump actually did win the election?

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He really can’t but Trump is pretending to keep the campaign dollars rolling in to reduce his financial losses.

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No he can't. His only duty is to count the votes and announce the result.

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Saw that he can decline votes so thank you for clarifying.

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Majorities of the Senate and the House are separately required for this. Pence can, and should, allow both chambers to debate and vote on any set that there has been an objection to, in writing, signed by both a member of the House and a Senator.

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Merrick Garland for Attorney General, wonder if he's feeling in a particularly vindictive mood...

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Trump talking about his Presidency in the past tense here......

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People dislike him because he's achieved too much, apparently. :rofl:

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https://apple.news/A5lMjcRyFQ6eZ5Dbjso-MXQ

Better link

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/mike...-election.html

Expect someone to Tweet about this soon...

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Mitch McConnell not mincing his words.

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The police should just shoot these fools.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-prot...ts-11609945368 https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status...689399297?s=21

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Someone's gonna get seriously hurt by these thugs

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US election: Capitol building in lockdown as Trump supporters clash with police outside

https://news.sky.com/story/georgia-r...enate-12180470

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Well Republicans do love guns, so they can't complain.