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OLD BOY 05-05-2019 20:21
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35993797)
https://assets.publishing.service.go..._Kingdom__.pdf



17. Against this backdrop, the Parties agree to develop an ambitious, wide-ranging and balanced economic partnership. This partnership will be comprehensive, encompassing a free trade area as well as wider sectoral cooperation where it is in the mutual interest of both Parties. It will be underpinned by provisions ensuring a level playing field for open
and fair competition, as set out in Section XIV of this Part...…...

XIV. LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR OPEN AND FAIR COMPETITION

79. The future relationship must ensure open and fair competition. Provisions to ensure this should cover state aid, competition, social and employment standards, environmental standards, climate change, and relevant tax matters, building on the level playing field arrangements provided for in the Withdrawal Agreement and commensurate with the overall economic relationship.....

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As you can see, the Political Declaration is intended to strap both hands and our d*ck behind our back, preventing us from gaining any competitive advantage from our independence.

No chance in negotiating a trade deal quickly unless we give this ground away.
The point is, by not signing off the withdrawal agreement and by giving notice that we will leave without a deal, this gives the EU an opportunity to ensure that their trade with us is not disrupted. What is the alternative?

Running down the clock again until we are literally thrown out without a deal? Parliament says they will not allow that, so what gives?

Sephiroth 05-05-2019 20:31
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The alternative is No Deal. Simples and not the end of the world.

Angua 05-05-2019 20:32
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993801)
The point is, by not signing off the withdrawal agreement and by giving notice that we will leave without a deal, this gives the EU an opportunity to ensure that their trade with us is not disrupted. What is the alternative?

Running down the clock again until we are literally thrown out without a deal? Parliament says they will not allow that, so what gives?
The EU are prepared for us to leave with no deal. The threat of no deal was only any use against parliament.

Parliament voted to rule out leaving with no deal as they know how damaging it is.

No deal Brexit is not what parliament will accept, they have a better idea of how damaging this would be to the economy and the Irish border.

Hugh 05-05-2019 20:49
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I hope the uploaded picture comes out OK. It's the border from Nyon, near Geneva into France. No sign of any customs infrastructure whatsoever. I admit to not having noticed any HGV go through.
My nephew worked in Basel, lived in Saint Louis, France (it was cheaper) - always travelled by train to work, as crossing the border in a vehicle was a pain due to long (delays) at peak hours at the border crossing.

And it’s not just at Basel - you may find this Swiss newspaper article informative.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/france-...elays/41781536

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44054594
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The Swiss border is often held up as an example of what could be achieved in Ireland, but here too there is physical infrastructure at all the main crossings - it is a hard border.

According to information from the International Road Transport Union (IRU), the average waiting time for lorries carrying goods ranges from 20 minutes to more than two hours if full inspections have to be carried out.
And this Swiss Government Federal Customs Management fact sheet for lorry drivers.

https://www.ezv.admin.ch/dam/ezv/en/...rrydrivers.pdf
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1. Importation
Federal Department of Finance FDF
Federal Customs Administration FCA
Directorate General of Customs
If you are bringing goods to Switzerland from abroad, you must spontaneously declare them at the border customs office. This also applies to goods which have to be cleared in Switzer- land. In this case, a valid transit document is required.
2 Exportation
If you are exporting goods from Switzerland abroad, you must declare these goods for expor- tation at a customs office.
If the export customs declaration occurs in Switzerland, you will require a transit document for the journey to the Swiss border customs office.
3 Transit
Transit goods (uncleared and duty-free) are to be transported through Switzerland with a valid transit document.
The transit goods must be declared at the border customs office upon entering and leaving Switzerland.
4 Goods checks
If the customs office orders a check to be carried out, you are obliged to cooperate. This co- vers all requisite activities (e.g. loading and unloading, packing and unpacking, etc.) at your own expense and risk.
5 Traffic police controls
Customs staff have the authority to carry out checks on you and your vehicle within the scope of the current road traffic law.

Mr K 05-05-2019 21:21
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35993770)
I hope the uploaded picture comes out OK. It's the border from Nyon, near Geneva into France. No sign of any customs infrastructure whatsoever. I admit to not having noticed any HGV go through.
Interesting side fact, i got engaged in Nyon ! Granted I'd been drinking and wasn't thinking straight, so I also didn't note the HGV/custom arrangements, silly me in lots of ways ;)

1andrew1 05-05-2019 21:48
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993771)
I still think there is only one practical solution, given the opposition to TM's plan. Leave without a deal and apply the ten year protection rule provided for in WTO rules (Article 24 of the WTO's General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade). The justification would be that a pause is required to enable a comprehensive trade deal to be negotiated, and the aims of the UK and EU would be set out in that document. A plan and schedule would be required, and the plan would set out the matters to be negotiated. Since we know what we want (heaven only knows we've been negotiating with the EU for over two years now and we know what we want from a trade deal) and we know what the EU is prepared to give us, we know precisely what needs to be negotiated. The interim arrangements that would apply ahead of the eventual trade deal can be taken from the existing withdrawal agreement.

Although the WTO Article provides for a 10-year period, we would not require anywhere near that amount of time to agree a trade deal. Everything is already aligned with the EU anyway.

We would need the EU to agree to this approach, but why wouldn't they if it would ease the trading arrangements between our two countries? We could use the time between now and the new end date for leaving the EU to achieve just that.
The Article 24 is a myth as a visit to a fact-checking website shows. I'm sorry you've been taken in by this.
https://fullfact.org/europe/article-24/
https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/...-grace-period/
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...rade-deal-myth

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993771)
So why can't we have the same arrangement at the NI border. There you are, you see - proof you can make it work!
As Hugh's photo and the FT article show, there is a hard border in place.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993771)
A soft Brexit isn't Brexit. That would make people very angry.
Some people would be very happy. Some would be very angry. Some would be agnostic.
Bottom line is that you need to appreciate what many have said before me - that there are many variations of Brexit and not just yours and all would qualify legally.

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35993804)
The EU are prepared for us to leave with no deal. The threat of no deal was only any use against parliament.

Parliament voted to rule out leaving with no deal as they know how damaging it is.

No deal Brexit is not what parliament will accept, they have a better idea of how damaging this would be to the economy and the Irish border.
Model answer. :tu::tu::tu:

TheDaddy 06-05-2019 07:44
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35993770)
I hope the uploaded picture comes out OK. It's the border from Nyon, near Geneva into France. No sign of any customs infrastructure whatsoever. I admit to not having noticed any HGV go through.
Something that's not been mentioned yet is the border closes to hgv's at five o'clock on a Friday evening and doesn't open again till Monday morning, I work with a few haulage firms and have heard the stories of being stuck at the border all weekend more than a few times. For me this sums up the whole brexit debacle in a nutshell, someone not in full possession of facts telling everyone else they know exactly what's going on, it's almost as if we've learnt nothing in the last few years

OLD BOY 06-05-2019 08:41
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993820)
The Article 24 is a myth as a visit to a fact-checking website shows. I'm sorry you've been taken in by this.
https://fullfact.org/europe/article-24/
https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/...-grace-period/
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...rade-deal-myth[COLOR="Silver"]
Whether anyone likes it or not, Article 24 exists, and it exists for a reason.

I note that one of the reasons quoted for this not being possible to implement is that the EU won't be likely to sign up to it because we're already committed to giving them the £40bn!

What an absolute joke. The EU also want frictionless trade as they want to help their industries too, and the £40bn has been pledged as part of the withdrawal agreement, which would not have been signed off under this scenario.

These are just difficulties that have been deliberately put in the way. They are not reasons, and the legislation would not be there if the WTO and the countries signed up to GATT did not intend for it to be used.

Hugh 06-05-2019 08:42
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35993770)
I hope the uploaded picture comes out OK. It's the border from Nyon, near Geneva into France. No sign of any customs infrastructure whatsoever. I admit to not having noticed any HGV go through.
That’s actually Crassier - it used to have a checkpoint, but since Schengen, it’s no longer manned (as it’s a minor road crossing, so HGVs don’t use it).

https://passportparty.ch/2018/12/01/...-and-crassier/

Mick 06-05-2019 10:17
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35993842)
Something that's not been mentioned yet is the border closes to hgv's at five o'clock on a Friday evening and doesn't open again till Monday morning, I work with a few haulage firms and have heard the stories of being stuck at the border all weekend more than a few times. For me this sums up the whole brexit debacle in a nutshell, someone not in full possession of facts telling everyone else they know exactly what's going on, it's almost as if we've learnt nothing in the last few years
So that happens, even without Brexit - As unfortunate as this sounds. I would still vote leave. Being in a corrupt union and wanting to leave overrides minor inconveniences, but the inconvenience you describe above, is happening anyway and Brexit has not happened.

1andrew1 06-05-2019 11:32
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993844)
Whether anyone likes it or not, Article 24 exists, and it exists for a reason.

I note that one of the reasons quoted for this not being possible to implement is that the EU won't be likely to sign up to it because we're already committed to giving them the £40bn!

What an absolute joke. The EU also want frictionless trade as they want to help their industries too, and the £40bn has been pledged as part of the withdrawal agreement, which would not have been signed off under this scenario.

These are just difficulties that have been deliberately put in the way. They are not reasons, and the legislation would not be there if the WTO and the countries signed up to GATT did not intend for it to be used.
Some people like Rees-Mogg seem to conveniently forget that this legislation requires a deal. It cannot be used in a no-deal scenario!
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The UK would have to reach agreement with the EU. The UK could not do this unilaterally. So this isn’t exactly “no deal”.
That agreement would have to include a plan and timetable for achieving the final agreement. And it would have to have a sufficient amount of detail, including what the final agreement would look like, because …
… the WTO membership could demand changes, if they weren’t convinced that the plan could be achieved within about 10 years. The UK and EU would have to accept those changes or scrap the agreement. (This doesn’t apply to free trade agreements that are not interim.)
In other words, the 10-year “grace period” has been used to cite WTO rules incorrectly by people who only have a superficial understanding of the rules.
https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/...-grace-period/

ianch99 06-05-2019 16:53
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More interesting info about members of the new Brexit Party, led by Nigel Farage:

Nigel Farage’s Terrorist Sympathisers

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Does James Glancy, Brexit Party prospective MEP and former SBS officer know that his fellow candidates celebrated the deaths of his comrades in the pursuit of Irish freedom? Does Ann Widdecombe appreciate that she is rubbing shoulders with people who feted the Brighton bombing of the Grand Hotel that nearly killed Margaret Thatcher?
A Fox in Farage’s coop

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The RCP’s successor organisations, the Institute of Ideas and Spiked magazine, exploited the limitless appetite of the BBC and Tory press for “contrarian” opinions. Such was their success in thinking the unthinkable and saying the unspeakable they drew a $300,000 donation from the billionaire Koch brothers, who fund dozens of right-wing causes.

Farage could not fail to be impressed. He and his former Ukip colleagues opposed attempts by the EU to improve ’elf and safety, and the rebranded RCP had little time for public safety either. Fox denounced the mollycoddling of the “anti-bullying industry”, arguing that teachers who tried to protect children were sapping their “resilience”.

Famously, Farage doesn’t much like East Europeans. At times, it seems as if the only East Europeans he can stand are dictators: Viktor Orbán may have censored the media, packed the judiciary and presided over epic corruption, but to Farage he is a “defender of Hungarian culture” against the EU.

Although Fox told the Mail she disagreed with Farage’s demands for immigration controls, she and her old RCP comrades have had no problems with the most brutal controls imaginable on Europeans who stay in their own countries. When Slobodan Miloševi? and Radovan Karadži? organised rape and death squads in the 1990s to “cleanse” Bosnia’s Muslims, they had no more loyal defenders than the RCP’s magazine Living Marxism.
Says it all really:

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Deafening silence on Claire Fox from *many* people have been very upset about Corbyn’s IRA sympathies is extremely disappointing. It’s amazing what people will overlook when they’ve picked a team.

Pierre 06-05-2019 17:30
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35993903)
More interesting info about members of the new Brexit Party, led by the racist Nigel Farage:

Nigel Farage’s Terrorist Sympathisers



A Fox in Farage’s coop



Says it all really:
You know you can be libelled, for making statements like that?

Chris 06-05-2019 17:52
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Looks like the remainiac tendency is terrified at the thought of what Farage might achieve less than 3 weeks from now. The social media black ops are in full swing.

To be absolutely clear: I don’t care if Satan himself gets onto the Brexit Party list. We are leaving the EU and none of these people are going to get the chance to do anything of consequence (To be honest they wouldn’t get to achieve anything much if they served a full term on that gravy train).

I am voting Brexit because it is my first and only chance to remind Labour and Tory alike that I voted Leave and that I still expect that to happen.

1andrew1 06-05-2019 18:15
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35993910)
I am voting Brexit because it is my first and only chance to remind Labour and Tory alike that I voted Leave and that I still expect that to happen.
You may get another chance to do so if there is another referendum. ;)
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Theresa May has held secret discussions over a three-way second referendum ahead of a crunch meeting with Labour this week to agree a cross-party Brexit deal.
The Prime Minister has carried out “scenario planning” with aides and ministers in case the Government cannot prevent a Parliamentary vote on a second referendum.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ns-case-talks/

Mick 06-05-2019 18:21
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35993903)
More interesting info about members of the new Brexit Party, led by the racist Nigel Farage:

Nigel Farage’s Terrorist Sympathisers



A Fox in Farage’s coop

Says it all really:


Is this the best you can do? :rolleyes:

Oh well done first link is a blog, an opinion, oh and btw, :nono: don't use shortcut urls on here again - I like to know where I am going before I click a link - will consider adding that shortcut url to filter ban list in due course.

Says it all really when all you can do is keep on with the untruths and smearing people who are not actually racist.

Like Chris says - Could be Satan himself - Won't stop me voting for the Brexit Party. So you better get used to it and stop it with the pathetic smearing!

You're getting just so ridiculously desperate now.

You won't get it in to your head that that there is still a lot of people, who want to leave the EU and the legitimate democratic result undertaken in 2016 is still fully valid and the UK still wants to leave the disgusting and corrupt EU!

Angua 06-05-2019 18:25
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35993903)
More interesting info about members of the new Brexit Party, led by the racist Nigel Farage:

Nigel Farage’s Terrorist Sympathisers



A Fox in Farage’s coop



Says it all really:
The Brexit Party Ltd does not have members, just supporters.

Mick 06-05-2019 18:27
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993922)
You may get another chance to do so if there is another referendum. ;)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ns-case-talks/
Ahh who gives a shit ?

Let their be another referendum - Leave will win AGAIN.

And let's have another right after that one - Make it the best of three, just for the Democracy abusers, like you, who cannot accept they lost!!!

1andrew1 06-05-2019 18:32
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993931)
Ahh who gives a shit ?

Let their be another referendum - Leave will win AGAIN.

And let's have another right after that one - Make it the best of three, just for the Democracy abusers, like you, who cannot accept they lost!!!
What are you on about, Mick? I've never advocated a second referendum nor not accepted the result.

Mick 06-05-2019 18:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993935)
What are you on about, Mick? I've never advocated a second referendum nor not accepted the result.
Ahh come off it Andrew - your remark to Chris a bit above, had the hint of a taunt.

Chris 06-05-2019 19:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993922)
You may get another chance to do so if there is another referendum. ;)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ns-case-talks/
Scenario planning is some way from actually planning to hold one to be fair. At least they’re actually trying to prepare for eventualities this time.

Paul 06-05-2019 19:07
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Hmmm, its kinda hard to vote in a "New Poll" if its closed ....

Mick 06-05-2019 19:10
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35993949)
Hmmm, its kinda hard to vote in a "New Poll" if its closed ....
Check again. ;)

1andrew1 06-05-2019 19:10
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35993948)
Scenario planning is some way from actually planning to hold one to be fair. At least they’re actually trying to prepare for eventualities this time.
Agreed.

Paul 06-05-2019 19:12
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993951)
Check again. ;)
.. and now voted. :D

1andrew1 06-05-2019 19:13
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993943)
Ahh come off it Andrew - your remark to Chris a bit above, had the hint of a taunt.
I think you're reading too much into it, Mick. ;) My position remains as it always has.

ianch99 06-05-2019 22:11
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35993910)
Looks like the remainiac tendency is terrified at the thought of what Farage might achieve less than 3 weeks from now. The social media black ops are in full swing.

To be absolutely clear: I don’t care if Satan himself gets onto the Brexit Party list. We are leaving the EU and none of these people are going to get the chance to do anything of consequence (To be honest they wouldn’t get to achieve anything much if they served a full term on that gravy train).

I am voting Brexit because it is my first and only chance to remind Labour and Tory alike that I voted Leave and that I still expect that to happen.
Ok, you will accept any old extremist and reprobate on the ticket as long as they sing the party song, fair enough. I am looking forward to you endorsing Corbyn for his meetings with the IRA and fellow extremists. I mean, where's the difference?

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993924)
Is this the best you can do? :rolleyes:

Oh well done first link is a blog, an opinion, oh and btw, :nono: don't use shortcut urls on here again - I like to know where I am going before I click a link - will consider adding that shortcut url to filter ban list in due course.

Says it all really when all you can do is keep on with the untruths and smearing people who are not actually racist.

Like Chris says - Could be Satan himself - Won't stop me voting for the Brexit Party. So you better get used to it and stop it with the pathetic smearing!

You're getting just so ridiculously desperate now.

You won't get it in to your head that that there is still a lot of people, who want to leave the EU and the legitimate democratic result undertaken in 2016 is still fully valid and the UK still wants to leave the disgusting and corrupt EU!
I will keep telling the truth as it exists. Facts are not smears ... the place we are at where the xenophobic Brexit Party has this level of support shows this country is in peril. With Bannon pulling Farage's strings, promoting the far right populist agenda all over Europe, the future is looking a far more darker place that it did 5 years ago.

Maggy 06-05-2019 22:53
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I'm thinking about the 75th Anniversary we are commemorating this year..and wondering if we are heading in that direction again.

Mick 06-05-2019 23:23
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35993962)
Ok, you will accept any old extremist and reprobate on the ticket as long as they sing the party song, fair enough. I am looking forward to you endorsing Corbyn for his meetings with the IRA and fellow extremists. I mean, where's the difference?

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I will keep telling the truth as it exists. Facts are not smears ... the place we are at where the xenophobic Brexit Party has this level of support shows this country is in peril. With Bannon pulling Farage's strings, promoting the far right populist agenda all over Europe, the future is looking a far more darker place that it did 5 years ago.
The only reason this country will be in peril is because of people like you. The other thing is, you’re not telling the truth at all, so how you can say they’re facts when they are not and you post absolutely no proof, only opinions.

Bannon is not pulling Farages strings. The Brexit Party is not xenophobic. You need to stop telling utter lies.

Chris 07-05-2019 00:37
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35993962)
Ok, you will accept any old extremist and reprobate on the ticket as long as they sing the party song, fair enough. I am looking forward to you endorsing Corbyn for his meetings with the IRA and fellow extremists. I mean, where's the difference?
If you can’t see the difference between an MEP who will never take their seat and a Prime Minister of one of the most powerful countries in the world, there’s little point having this discussion is there?

1andrew1 07-05-2019 05:30
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35993971)
If you can’t see the difference between an MEP who will never take their seat and a Prime Minister of one of the most powerful countries in the world, there’s little point having this discussion is there?
Realistically, those MEPs will take their seats and salaries and Corbyn will never be Prime Minister.

ianch99 07-05-2019 08:05
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35993971)
If you can’t see the difference between an MEP who will never take their seat and a Prime Minister of one of the most powerful countries in the world, there’s little point having this discussion is there?
"An MEP who will never take their seat"? So why go through the charade then? Aren't you all democrats? Isn't this what it is all about?

Obviously not. This is all about pursuing the broken dream, at all costs, aligning yourself with literally anyone to get over the line.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993968)
The only reason this country will be in peril is because of people like you. The other thing is, you’re not telling the truth at all, so how you can say they’re facts when they are not and you post absolutely no proof, only opinions.

Bannon is not pulling Farages strings. The Brexit Party is not xenophobic. You need to stop telling utter lies.
But Mick, the EU is not disgusting and corrupt, so what?

We all live in our own personal realities now. Brexit is changed everything. You can have your truth and I can have mine.

If/when this monstrous project ever gets over the line, wherever the line is and whatever colour it is, this country will be a broken place. The real reasons behind this will remain and will get worse. The sunlit uplands, long awaited will be barren. The drinks of celebration will be just cups of bile. The taste bitter for both sides for a generation: the young generation betrayed by the old and the old angry that their promised past did not materialise.

Meanwhile, back on the subject of the nice man Mr Farage, who is definitely not a racist ;)

Nigel Farage under fire over 'antisemitic tropes' on far-right US talkshow

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Nigel Farage is facing strong criticism from Jewish organisations and a series of other groups after it emerged he repeatedly took part in interviews with a far-right US talkshow host, during which the Brexit party leader openly discussed conspiracy theories, some of which have been linked to antisemitism.

A Guardian investigation has found Farage has appeared at least six times on the show of Alex Jones, who was sued by bereaved parents after claiming a US school shooting was faked, and was banned permanently from Facebook last week.
Careful, Nigel, now you don't want to be associated with nasty white supremacist nut jobs, do you?

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35993965)
I'm thinking about the 75th Anniversary we are commemorating this year..and wondering if we are heading in that direction again.
Indeed we are. History tells us so. Enough time has passed for nationalism to be used again for sinister motives all the while presenting the friendly face.

The paradox here is that the young who have little collective memories of the great wars, instinctively reject nationalism in its current form whereas the older generation, who personally attest to being "wiser" and have a far more direct appreciation, are seduced by the promises of the New Nationalists.

Damien 07-05-2019 08:22
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The Brexit party can't be short of willing candidates so if their objections to Corbyn on these matters was genuine then I think they would select someone else.

Corbyn's views on the IRA and essentially always taking the side against the West is deeply concerning, enough not to vote for him even without all the other concerns, but I am not surprised that the objections only extend as far as the fact it's coming from Labour and they're more than willing to overlook it for others.

OLD BOY 07-05-2019 08:43
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993872)
Some people like Rees-Mogg seem to conveniently forget that this legislation requires a deal. It cannot be used in a no-deal scenario!

https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/...-grace-period/
Except that I did not ignore that little point of needing an agreement. You are not concentrating, Andrew.

The Article is there to be used.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993771)

We would need the EU to agree to this approach, but why wouldn't they if it would ease the trading arrangements between our two countries? We could use the time between now and the new end date for leaving the EU to achieve just that.


1andrew1 07-05-2019 12:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993980)
Except that I did not ignore that little point of needing an agreement. You are not concentrating, Andrew.

The Article is there to be used.

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What you seem to forget is that it is being suggested by some of those advocating no deal.
That is impossible, it needs an agreement to be used. That cannot occur in a no-deal scenario by definition.

OLD BOY 07-05-2019 12:56
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994007)
What you seem to forget is that it is being suggested by some of those advocating no deal.
That is impossible, it needs an agreement to be used. That cannot occur in a no-deal scenario by definition.
It depends how you define 'no deal'. If that means no withdrawal agreement, that doesn't stop both parties from preparing for a trade deal. And nobody (as far as I know) has suggested we shouldn't have a trade deal with the EU. However, that needs to be negotiated when we are outside of the EU, without ties.

Carth 07-05-2019 15:17
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
I haven't been following this much since it all went silly . .



. . . any news of the next extension dates yet? :rolleyes:

Hugh 07-05-2019 15:22
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35994018)
I haven't been following this much since it all went silly . .



. . . any news of the next extension dates yet? :rolleyes:
It’s a close call which will come first - the heat death of the Universe*, or Brexit... ;)

(*10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years)

Mick 07-05-2019 16:01
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
BREAKING: Cabinet Minister David Lidington has confirmed the UK will take part in the European parliament elections on 23 May.

Labour and Conservatives are in for a total annihilation. Thanks to The Brexit Party.

---------- Post added at 16:01 ---------- Previous post was at 15:32 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35993974)

But Mick, the EU is not disgusting and corrupt, so what?
I am not afraid to say, yes it is because that is exactly what it is.

Corrupt because it wants us to keep on voting until it gets the answer it wants, takes vasts sums of money from us for shitty returns - it is as corrupt as it comes and now it wants more power and sovereignty, taken from Member States, as per Guy Verhoftstadt remarks in the EU Parliament.

Wants it's own EU Army, remarks from both Macron and Merkel, no thank you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
We all live in our own personal realities now. Brexit is changed everything. You can have your truth and I can have mine.
And do you honestly think, stopping Brexit will heal the wounds huh?

Did you honestly think when one of the largest Democratic processes, ever undertaken in the UK, is ignored, that us Brexiteers would just sit back and roll over and do nothing, not a bloody chance.

We will not go away and we will not sit in silence and just pretend the vote in 2016 did not happen, it did and we should be out by now, we will be better out, than in and I do think you are totally wrong with the fear mongering and negativity. Our country does not need to be in a corrupted con job club to trade with our neighbours. I should have the right to live in a totally independent country, free from dictatorship entities like the EU.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
If/when this monstrous project ever gets over the line, wherever the line is and whatever colour it is, this country will be a broken place. The real reasons behind this will remain and will get worse. The sunlit uplands, long awaited will be barren. The drinks of celebration will be just cups of bile. The taste bitter for both sides for a generation: the young generation betrayed by the old and the old angry that their promised past did not materialise.
Well, I am still young, if you don't mind and my vote is not any less valid than someone who is younger still. We have not betrayed the young, at all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
Meanwhile, back on the subject of the nice man Mr Farage, who is definitely not a racist ;)

Nigel Farage under fire over 'antisemitic tropes' on far-right US talkshow
What's this - A day by day smearing attempt on Farage?

Like Farage highlighted this morning - He's been on countless news programmes across the world, some more extreme than others, just because he's spoke on them, does not mean he agrees with their editorial line and he even joked that other news outlets with their own wild conspiracy theorists, that they even make wild accusations about Mr Farage, that he was handed a memory stick from U.S President, Donald Trump and then on his return from the U.S - walked in to the Ecuadorian Embassy to give it to Julian Assange. I mean the whole thing is just completely laughable and very desperate, because we know the Brexit Party is going to do very very well on May 23rd and so they should because the majority of the UK, still wants to leave the EU.

papa smurf 07-05-2019 16:36
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35994019)
It’s a close call which will come first - the heat death of the Universe*, or Brexit... ;)

(*10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years)
Coincidentally that's the predicted number of years to go until T M next tells the truth in one of her statements.

Hugh 07-05-2019 17:01
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35994027)
Coincidentally that's the predicted number of years to go until T M next tells the truth in one of her statements.
At least...

Mick 07-05-2019 17:15
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
The Independent Group - Tiggers, Change UK - have now added a 4th name to their repertoire... "For Change Now". Whoever is in charge of the PR, needs the sack surely?

They have changed their twitter username to @ForChange_Now, losing their blue tick verification mark in the process. This is just two days after switching their website address from ‘voteforchange.uk’ to ‘theindependent.group’.

A genius prankster has snapped up control of the old username @TheIndGroup, in order to advocate a ‘hard brexit’. :rofl:

https://order-order.com/2019/05/07/c...nfusing-brand/

Chris 07-05-2019 23:03
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Nice avatar :tu: :D

1andrew1 07-05-2019 23:25
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35994036)
The Independent Group - Tiggers, Change UK - have now added a 4th name to their repertoire... "For Change Now". Whoever is in charge of the PR, needs the sack surely?

They have changed their twitter username to @ForChange_Now, losing their blue tick verification mark in the process. This is just two days after switching their website address from ‘voteforchange.uk’ to ‘theindependent.group’.

A genius prankster has snapped up control of the old username @TheIndGroup, in order to advocate a ‘hard brexit’. :rofl:

https://order-order.com/2019/05/07/c...nfusing-brand/
Agreed, their branding is all over the place.
Good to see that you've come on board with the term hard Brexit.

Mick 08-05-2019 00:00
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994102)
Agreed, their branding is all over the place.
Good to see that you've come on board with the term hard Brexit.
I haven’t. I’m repeating the quote from order order page.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35994101)
Nice avatar :tu: :D
Beats having a barcode any day. :angel:

Mr K 08-05-2019 17:23
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Lol, Nigel sent me a Brexit Party 'election communication' :D
Think he's wasted his paper there, although it does have good absorbency so came in handy ;)

Interestingly he didn't bother with the lady of the household. Presumably he thinks she'll do as she's told (very wrong !), or that women have too much sense...

daveeb 08-05-2019 17:40
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994158)
Lol, Nigel sent me a Brexit Party 'election communication' :D
Think he's wasted his paper there, although it does have good absorbency so came in handy ;)

Interestingly he didn't bother with the lady of the household. Presumably he thinks she'll do as she's told (very wrong !), or that women have too much sense...

I'm still waiting on mine, but if it ever does come I hope it's scented ;)
There does seem to be a lot of very targetted canvassing going on. We had some Lib Dem leaflets adressed solely to my daughter, they obviously think me and Mrs DaveeB are past redemption.

papa smurf 08-05-2019 20:52
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994158)
Lol, Nigel sent me a Brexit Party 'election communication' :D
Think he's wasted his paper there, although it does have good absorbency so came in handy ;)

Interestingly he didn't bother with the lady of the household. Presumably he thinks she'll do as she's told (very wrong !), or that women have too much sense...
the green party sent me one i used it to start a fire of 700 old plastic bottles ;)

Hugh 08-05-2019 21:41
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35994204)
the green party sent me one i used it to start a fire of 700 old plastic bottles ;)
Well done - saves them polluting or going into landfill.

Very Green of you.

RichardCoulter 08-05-2019 22:17
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Did anyone watch Storyville: Brexit Behind Closed Doors earlier this evening on BBC4? Part two will be shown tomorrow at 9pm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0004vyd

Angua 09-05-2019 06:30
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35993977)
The Brexit party can't be short of willing candidates so if their objections to Corbyn on these matters was genuine then I think they would select someone else.

Corbyn's views on the IRA and essentially always taking the side against the West is deeply concerning, enough not to vote for him even without all the other concerns, but I am not surprised that the objections only extend as far as the fact it's coming from Labour and they're more than willing to overlook it for others.
Would be far simpler if Corbyn moved to his real home of the Communists, a party that are backing Brexit Ltd. - The extremes really completed the circle.

Sephiroth 09-05-2019 09:10
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35994224)
Did anyone watch Storyville: Brexit Behind Closed Doors earlier this evening on BBC4? Part two will be shown tomorrow at 9pm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0004vyd
Spurs game took precedence over Brexit!

denphone 09-05-2019 09:12
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35994244)
Spurs game took precedence over Brexit!
What..:D:D;)

papa smurf 09-05-2019 11:15
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35994244)
Spurs game took precedence over Brexit!
What percentage of football fan's refuse to accept the result?

Mr K 09-05-2019 11:23
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35994261)
What percentage of football fan's refuse to accept the result?
there's about a million in Amsterdam... Can't say I blame them, best team lost. (You can draw a Brexit parallel there, if you like ;) )

papa smurf 10-05-2019 16:03
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
This must be one of those remainers who didn't know what they voted for,and this ones still a bit confused.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...n-Nigel-Farage

TheDaddy 10-05-2019 16:52
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35994376)
This must be one of those remainers who didn't know what they voted for,and this ones still a bit confused.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...n-Nigel-Farage
I'm confused to, is Nigel not peddling that vision anymore? And adding more people who didn't know what they were voting for is strengthening the hand of those calling for a second referendum, is that what you're advocating for now?

Sephiroth 10-05-2019 17:34
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Farage has a very simple message.

1. Leave won the Referendum.

2. In the ensuing General Election, both major parties committed to Brexit in their manifestos.

3. By a huge majority, Parliament authorised A50 and subsequently the Withdrawal Act.

4. May mucked up the negotiations and brought back an unacceptable deal.

5. Both parties almost in collusion, are trying to thwart Brexit in one way or another and thus renaging on their manifesto commitments.

6. The British public have completely lost faith in the current political class.

Just about right. I'd say.

papa smurf 10-05-2019 18:33
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35994379)
I'm confused to, is Nigel not peddling that vision anymore? And adding more people who didn't know what they were voting for is strengthening the hand of those calling for a second referendum, is that what you're advocating for now?
No i'm just pointing out that that particular remainer still hasn't got a clue what the hell shes talking or moaning about.

Damien 10-05-2019 18:52
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35994382)
[COLOR="Blue"]Farage has a very simple message.
For Farage Brexit will always have been betrayed though:

1) Any deal? = Betrayal
2) Any bad consequences of No Deal? = Betrayal.

Sephiroth 10-05-2019 18:59
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35994389)
For Farage Brexit will always have been betrayed though:

1) Any deal? = Betrayal
2) Any bad consequences of No Deal? = Betrayal.
So what? You're just pointlessly second-guessing.

The sequence I laid out is the truth. Remainers should count themselves lucky that the politicians are such turds.

1andrew1 10-05-2019 21:30
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35994389)
For Farage Brexit will always have been betrayed though:

1) Any deal? = Betrayal
2) Any bad consequences of No Deal? = Betrayal.
Spot on, he will always try and present himself as the victim/underdog.

I actually agree with Trump's suggestion to Theresa May for Nigel Farage - make him our ambassador to the US. That way he would be out of harm's way. Then maybe promote him to somewhere remoter after that. ;)

Sephiroth 10-05-2019 22:00
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994404)
Spot on, he will always try and present himself as the victim/underdog.

I actually agree with Trump's suggestion to Theresa May for Nigel Farage - make him our ambassador to the US. That way he would be out of harm's way. Then maybe promote him to somewhere remoter after that. ;)
But you avoid the main point - that my list is true.

1andrew1 10-05-2019 22:14
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35994406)
But you avoid the main point - that my list is true.
Most of it is a statement of the obvious except 5. which ihmo is fantasy and 4. being subjective as the deal was acceptable to some including Rees-Mogg depending on which day of the week he voted on it.
Would you vote for John Redwood in a general election or for the Brexit Party?

TheDaddy 11-05-2019 03:58
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35994386)
No i'm just pointing out that that particular remainer still hasn't got a clue what the hell shes talking or moaning about.
So farage didn't say all that stuff about being like Norway then?

Sephiroth 11-05-2019 07:28
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994408)
Most of it is a statement of the obvious except 5. which ihmo is fantasy and 4. being subjective as the deal was acceptable to some including Rees-Mogg depending on which day of the week he voted on it.
Would you vote for John Redwood in a general election or for the Brexit Party?
Redwood, obviously.

Mr K 11-05-2019 13:21
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35994422)
Redwood, obviously.
Yean he's got a great singing voice.
https://youtu.be/GzBq0n8dxFQ
https://youtu.be/GzBq0n8dxFQ

Chris 11-05-2019 15:05
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
That never gets old. :rofl:

denphone 11-05-2019 18:13
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
The latest European Parliament voting intention.

Quote:
BREX: 34% (+6)
LAB: 21% (-7)
LDEM: 12% (+5)
CON: 11% (-3)
GRN: 8% (+2)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
CHUK: 3% (-4)
Quote:
via @OpiniumResearch, 08 May

Sephiroth 11-05-2019 18:29
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
As I've said before, if the turnout is high (which I doubt), we will have had a referendum of sorts.

OLD BOY 11-05-2019 20:20
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35994496)
The latest European Parliament voting intention.
It is pretty clear what the public thinks. When will parliament sit up and take notice?

Mr K 11-05-2019 20:53
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994522)
It is pretty clear what the public thinks. When will parliament sit up and take notice?
Hopefully, as 62% aren't voting for the Brexit Party/UKIP.

1andrew1 12-05-2019 14:32
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994522)
It is pretty clear what the public thinks. When will parliament sit up and take notice?
Exactly. Parliament needs to remind the BBC that its initials do not stand for Brexit Broadcasting Corporation and to give some times to other politicians apart from Nigel Farage!

Pierre 12-05-2019 15:36
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994571)
Exactly. Parliament needs to remind the BBC that its initials do not stand for Brexit Broadcasting Corporation and to give some times to other politicians apart from Nigel Farage!
Speaking of which, if you didn’t see Farage on Andrew Marr this morning check it out, BBC state broadcaster, supposed to be impartial?

Even Andrew Marr looked embarrassed at the line of questions his pay masters had prepared for him.

Damien 12-05-2019 16:03
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35994573)
Speaking of which, if you didn’t see Farage on Andrew Marr this morning check it out, BBC state broadcaster, supposed to be impartial?

Even Andrew Marr looked embarrassed at the line of questions his pay masters had prepared for him.
He is meant to challenge politicians and ask difficult questions. People slagging off Marr because he was mean to a politician is the story every week, just like when Labour supporters get angry that he does it to Labour politicians.

1andrew1 12-05-2019 17:17
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35994573)
Speaking of which, if you didn’t see Farage on Andrew Marr this morning check it out, BBC state broadcaster, supposed to be impartial?

Even Andrew Marr looked embarrassed at the line of questions his pay masters had prepared for him.
Watch again, it's Farage just trying to avoid answering legitimate questions on climate changes, gun control Putin etc. Seems to think accountability applies to everyone but him! Marr's frankly embarrassed that Farage is in the studio again.

Pierre 12-05-2019 18:20
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994580)
Watch again, it's Farage just trying to avoid answering legitimate questions on climate changes, gun control Putin etc. Seems to think accountability applies to everyone but him! Marr's frankly embarrassed that Farage is in the studio again.
Gun control, climate change, whether he admired Putin or not.....all very relevant to the impending European elections.

papa smurf 12-05-2019 18:26
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35994588)
Gun control, climate change, whether he admired Putin or not.....all very relevant to the impending European elections.
I was half expecting a school bully charge to get slipped in, it wasn't an interview about the brexit party it was a piss poor attempt to discredit Farage , wonder how long the bbc would last if the brexit party got into no10?

Damien 12-05-2019 18:35
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35994588)
Gun control, climate change, whether he admired Putin or not.....all very relevant to the impending European elections.
They challenge Labour on antisemitism too when they would rather talk about domestic policy. The interviewer has an opportunity to put forward a bunch of questions so they take it.

1andrew1 12-05-2019 18:40
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35994588)
Gun control, climate change, whether he admired Putin or not.....all very relevant to the impending European elections.
Correct, more so given the lack of a manifesto.

Sephiroth 12-05-2019 19:49
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994580)
Watch again, it's Farage just trying to avoid answering legitimate questions on climate changes, gun control Putin etc. Seems to think accountability applies to everyone but him! Marr's frankly embarrassed that Farage is in the studio again.
All you're doing is sneering at Farage. You can do better than that. He stands for the Brexit Party and his current focus is on the EU elections and then sticking it to the EU as he has always done.

Future moves by Farage are for another day (and another thread).

1andrew1 12-05-2019 19:54
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35994604)
All you're doing is sneering at Farage. You can do better than that. He stands for the Brexit Party and his current focus is on the EU elections and then sticking it to the EU as he has always done.

Future moves by Farage are for another day (and another thread).
Eh, I'm pointing out that he is deliberately avoiding legitimate questions. If you feel politicians warrant a free pass on difficult questions then fair enough but I don't share that view.

Sephiroth 12-05-2019 21:02
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994606)
Eh, I'm pointing out that he is deliberately avoiding legitimate questions. If you feel politicians warrant a free pass on difficult questions then fair enough but I don't share that view.
He's ignoring irrelevant questions set by the anti-Brexit leftie BBC.

Farage is a great man - he almost single handedly brought about the Referendum. However, I remain a paid up member of the Conservative Party.

TheDaddy 13-05-2019 01:48
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35994589)
I was half expecting a school bully charge to get slipped in, it wasn't an interview about the brexit party it was a piss poor attempt to discredit Farage , wonder how long the bbc would last if the brexit party got into no10?
If abolishing the BBC was in their manifesto I'd vote for them

OLD BOY 13-05-2019 07:15
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994606)
Eh, I'm pointing out that he is deliberately avoiding legitimate questions. If you feel politicians warrant a free pass on difficult questions then fair enough but I don't share that view.
Except that he didn't. He protested about the line of questioning, sure, but he did answer them.

---------- Post added at 07:15 ---------- Previous post was at 07:12 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994592)
Correct, more so given the lack of a manifesto.
A manifesto? We know what the Brexit Party stands for, and as we have already discussed, MEPs have little say over the legislation that is brought forward by the EU.

We won't be in the EU for much more than five minutes after the elections, if at all.

denphone 13-05-2019 07:16
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
European Parliament voting intention.

Quote:
BREX: 34% (+4)
LAB: 16% (-5)
LDEM: 15% (+5)
GRN: 11% (+2)
CON: 10% (-3)
CHUK: 5% (-4)
via @YouGov
Chgs. w/ 30 Apr

1andrew1 13-05-2019 07:43
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35994618)
If abolishing the BBC was in their manifesto I'd vote for them
They'd need to have one in the first place.

---------- Post added at 07:43 ---------- Previous post was at 07:39 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994625)
We won't be in the EU for much more than five minutes after the elections, if at all.
Lol. :D

TheDaddy 13-05-2019 07:49
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35994630)
They'd need to have one in the first place.
If being the pejorative word notwithstanding. They don't have manifesto, I don't have a tv licence, seems like we're all missing something these days

ianch99 13-05-2019 08:04
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35994499)
As I've said before, if the turnout is high (which I doubt), we will have had a referendum of sorts.
Rubbish. The vote is too fine grained to be viewed as such. What it will be is a reflection and judgement on the failed 2 party system.

---------- Post added at 08:04 ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35994574)
He is meant to challenge politicians and ask difficult questions. People slagging off Marr because he was mean to a politician is the story every week, just like when Labour supporters get angry that he does it to Labour politicians.
It is refreshing to see the BBC challenge Farage at last. He is the Brexit Party and given they have no manifesto, it is correct that his views are examined on a range of issues.

So we have seen Farage:

- lying endlessly over No Deal
- wanting to break up the NHS
- climate change denying
- admiring Putin
- etc.

And even with these glowing credentials, so many people like him and his "policies" What weird times we live it.

Mr K 13-05-2019 08:20
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35994634)
Rubbish. The vote is too fine grained to be viewed as such. What it will be is a reflection and judgement on the failed 2 party system.

---------- Post added at 08:04 ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 ----------



It is refreshing to see the BBC challenge Farage at last. He is the Brexit Party and given they have no manifesto, it is correct that his views are examined on a range of issues.

So we have seen Farage:

- lying endlessly over No Deal
- wanting to break up the NHS
- climate change denying
- admiring Putin
- etc.

And even with these glowing credentials, so many people like him and his "policies" What weird times we live it.
Yes he likes a pint and a fag and despises Johnny foreigner and the poor. Top bloke :rolleyes:. Unfortunately a lot see no further than their own base instincts.

OLD BOY 13-05-2019 09:38
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35994634)
Rubbish. The vote is too fine grained to be viewed as such. What it will be is a reflection and judgement on the failed 2 party system.

---------- Post added at 08:04 ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 ----------



It is refreshing to see the BBC challenge Farage at last. He is the Brexit Party and given they have no manifesto, it is correct that his views are examined on a range of issues.

So we have seen Farage:

- lying endlessly over No Deal
- wanting to break up the NHS
- climate change denying
- admiring Putin
- etc.

And even with these glowing credentials, so many people like him and his "policies" What weird times we live it.
Did you actually watch Nigel Farage on the Marr Show? He answered those questions.

Mick 13-05-2019 13:00
Re: Brexit (New Poll Added)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35994634)
Rubbish. The vote is too fine grained to be viewed as such. What it will be is a reflection and judgement on the failed 2 party system.

---------- Post added at 08:04 ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 ----------



It is refreshing to see the BBC challenge Farage at last. He is the Brexit Party and given they have no manifesto, it is correct that his views are examined on a range of issues.

So we have seen Farage:

- lying endlessly over No Deal
- wanting to break up the NHS
- climate change denying
- admiring Putin
- etc.

And even with these glowing credentials, so many people like him and his "policies" What weird times we live it.
It's called Democracy, something you are ignoring and abusing by wanting your way when your side lost! :rolleyes:
  • Btw - He never lied over no deal.
  • He does not want to break up the NHS.
  • Not aware of him denying climate change.
  • He does not admire Putin, you misspelled Corbyn.

There is no point in having a manifesto - Labour has not stuck to their last one and neither has the Tories, so I ask you what's the point ?

The weirdness here is being obsessed with a document parties usually always never stick to. :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 13:00 ---------- Previous post was at 12:54 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994640)
Did you actually watch Nigel Farage on the Marr Show? He answered those questions.
ianch probably watched the "small" group of Lib Dem Activists standing on Millionaires row, made to look like a ton of people, with that annoying EU weasel, Guy Verhofstadt. :rolleyes:

ianch99 13-05-2019 15:21
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994640)
Did you actually watch Nigel Farage on the Marr Show? He answered those questions.
You mean he tried to tried to wriggle out of his past record on these issues.

Mick 13-05-2019 15:59
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35994662)
You mean he tried to tried to wriggle out of his past record on these issues.
His past record is irrelevant - it's a party that will implement Brexit, it will always get my vote, as I said and others, the devil could be their leader, I will still vote for it - get it yet?

You're smearing and lying is wasted on here.

ianch99 13-05-2019 16:09
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It's called Democracy, something you are ignoring and abusing by wanting your way when your side lost! :rolleyes:
  • Btw - He never lied over no deal.
  • He does not want to break up the NHS.
  • Not aware of him denying climate change.
  • He does not admire Putin, you misspelled Corbyn.

There is no point in having a manifesto - Labour has not stuck to their last one and neither has the Tories, so I ask you what's the point ?

The weirdness here is being obsessed with a document parties usually always never stick to. :rolleyes:

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ianch probably watched the "small" group of Lib Dem Activists standing on Millionaires row, made to look like a ton of people, with that annoying EU weasel, Guy Verhofstadt. :rolleyes:
Here you go:

> He does not want to break up the NHS.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-9988904.html

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The leaked film recording showed Mr Farage telling Ukip supporters in 2012: “I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the marketplace of an insurance company, than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us.”
> Not aware of him denying climate change.

https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/st...70110050340864

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Reminder. @Nigel_Farage is a climate change denier. This is from 11 September 2013.
> He does not admire Putin, you misspelled Corbyn.

Nigel Farage: Vladimir Putin is the world leader I most admire

Oh, I forgot to add he wants more guns as well

Nigel Farage calls for UK gun laws to be relaxed

The man is a car crash .. now that is another thing I could add ;)

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35994672)
His past record is irrelevant - it's a party that will implement Brexit, it will always get my vote, as I said and others, the devil could be their leader, I will still vote for it - get it yet?

You're smearing and lying is wasted on here.
No smears or lying here, just facts. But then these are no longer required, right?

The Brexit project is all about getting over the line through fair means or foul. As Chris said, he does not care is Satan himself is in charge of the Brexit Party he would support them.

It is all about the getting over the line .. principles optional.

Mick 13-05-2019 16:52
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35994673)
Here you go:

> He does not want to break up the NHS.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-9988904.html



> Not aware of him denying climate change.

https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/st...70110050340864



> He does not admire Putin, you misspelled Corbyn.

Nigel Farage: Vladimir Putin is the world leader I most admire

Oh, I forgot to add he wants more guns as well

Nigel Farage calls for UK gun laws to be relaxed

The man is a car crash .. now that is another thing I could add ;)

No smears or lying here, just facts. But then these are no longer required, right?

The Brexit project is all about getting over the line through fair means or foul. As Chris said, he does not care is Satan himself is in charge of the Brexit Party he would support them.

It is all about the getting over the line .. principles optional.
I repeat - he does not want to break up the NHS, it's not BP Policy.

He does not admire Putin. I repeat, you have misspelled Corbyn.

At the end of the day - It is none of your business who I and others vote for and why I/they vote for them but I will not have you come on here and deride other members or accuse them of not having any principles when they fully do, I have principles, mainly about respecting Democratic principles and I will not have you say I don't, so stop it.

P.S The foulness you speak of, is emanating from your side. Not the Brexiteers, we want our democratic decision implemented, as that is what was voted for, in a Democratic and fair, legal process in 2016 and again in 2017.

OLD BOY 13-05-2019 17:05
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35994662)
You mean he tried to tried to wriggle out of his past record on these issues.
He answered them. Sorry you didn't like his answers.

Mr K 13-05-2019 17:22
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Corbyn/May quite rightly get questioned on things they've said and done in the past, why is our Nigel immune? He said he wanted to privatise the NHS, scrape the surface and his populism will wither. Happened with, UKIP, will happen again, still he can always start another party...

Mick 13-05-2019 17:28
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994686)
Corbyn/May quite rightly get questioned on things they've said and done in the past, why is our Nigel immune? He said he wanted to privatise the NHS, scrape the surface and his populism will wither. Happened with, UKIP, will happen again, still he can always start another party...
This is where as usual - you get things wrong.

His populism is rising again and for good reason and he is ONLY here because Anti-Democratic imbeciles in parliament and elsewhere are trying to thwart the result of the 2016 Referendum.

He would have faded in to a distant memory had the vote been implemented, it has not, so quite rightly he's back on the scene and more popular than ever, serves you Remainer lot right.

I told you lot we would not sit back and allow our Democratic decision to be ignored. This is what happens, so Nigel being back, is ON YOU, so well done!!! :rolleyes:

Mr K 13-05-2019 17:47
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He's a bit of a down-market version of Trump really. The British people don't want that at the end of the day.


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