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Damien 02-02-2017 22:49
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35883707)
Two presidents talking clear crap about what they'll actually do.. when the third guy actually does something about it, everyone loses their minds, brilliant.
It's because people object to what he is doing. Also it's rather disingenuous to pretend, as you and this video are doing, that immigration controls are the same as complete bans and, as was the case at the weekend, extending that ban to legal immigrants.

TheDaddy 02-02-2017 22:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883697)
Wow you contradicted yourself in the same post....

Whatever. Go find the posts, I am not doing the work for you. I got far more pressing issues to contend with than argue with you and let me say here and now, I have no obsession with anybody. I do enjoy political discussions be it UK politics or American and I like to point out issues of hypocrisy now and again, which there has been a lot of in this thread.
Perhaps instead of contradicting I'm just not pig headed enough to ignore others feelings (yours) and accepted that posting about his little hands three times since the beginning of January (prior to our interaction) is to much for some to accept, it's hardly an obsession or barely even annoying for that matter imo

And no I won't be finding any posts, if you say you say you were critical of his thin skinnedness and insecurities on here then your words good enough for me.

Damien 02-02-2017 22:55
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883706)
Is it ok for these then, you know a bit like black people using the N word.
The context in which a word is used can change it's impact. White people using the N word has a negative history as it was a racial slur used against black people, especially in American history.

Ramrod 02-02-2017 22:56
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35883707)
Enjoy this absolute gem. https://www.facebook.com/FilmingCops...5974309437661/

Two presidents talking clear crap about what they'll actually do.. when the third guy actually does something about it, everyone loses their minds, brilliant.
Ah, but "we" don't like the third guy. That's the difference :rolleyes:

1andrew1 02-02-2017 23:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883711)
The context in which a word is used can change it's impact. White people using the N word has a negative history as it was a racial slur used against black people, especially in American history.
So similar to those who voted remain adopting the insulting term used by the Brexit press of remoaner, but in an ironical way? :)

adzii_nufc 02-02-2017 23:05
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883709)
It's because people object to what he is doing. Also it's rather disingenuous to pretend, as you and this video are doing, that immigration controls are the same as complete bans and, as was the case at the weekend, extending that ban to legal immigrants.
Given that the vast majority of the video uses the term illegal aliens and illegal immigrants and near 70% of the illegal's in the US originate from Latin American countries, Mexico being as high as 50%. With consistent mentions of deportation and law breaking, something Trump echoed throughout his campaign. I used this in reference to the wall he's building, nothing to do with any Muslim ban. Trumps stance on the Mexican border and his stance on immigration from the middle east should be viewed as two separate things, you can agree with one and not the other.

Pierre 02-02-2017 23:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883711)
The context in which a word is used can change it's impact. White people using the N word has a negative history as it was a racial slur used against black people, especially in American history.
Yeah yeah,

I know the point is Kuwait have a ban like this for ages, and I bet no one knew, as it isn't news worthy apparently.

So is it ok for Muslims to ban muslims? But not for America to ban muslims.......( even though they're not banning muslims as such)

Damien 02-02-2017 23:12
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35883714)
Given that the vast majority of the video uses the term illegal aliens and illegal immigrants and near 70% of the illegal's in the US originate from Latin American countries, Mexico being as high as 50%. With consistent mentions of deportation and law breaking, something Trump echoed throughout his campaign. I used this in reference to the wall he's building, nothing to do with any Muslim ban.
The larger backlash has been because of the 'ban'. The wall I don't care as much about, I am not sure how effective it will be though and the 'make Mexico pay for it' jargon isn't helpful. Stopping illegal immigration is, almost by definition, a goal for all governments. Almost any migration policy, even very liberal ones, will have some definition of an illegal immigrant.

ianch99 02-02-2017 23:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35883713)
So similar to those who voted remain adopting the insulting term used by the Brexit press of remoaner, but in an ironical way? :)
Not really. That just the insults of the playground. If you can't debate, insult (like a child) :)

Stuart 02-02-2017 23:20
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883679)
That's fine. I detest Corbyn but I'm not going to threaten him.

You serioulsy don't think that Putin is worse than Trump right now (we can't talk about the future of course). Over there in Putin's Russia they've just changed the law on domestic abuse in a most appalling way. I don't think Trump has assassinated anyone with polonium either but there's still time I suppose. You don't think the various murdering despots in Africa are worse? Seriously? Perhaps you can explain why maniacs like Robert Mugabe aren't worse than Donald Trump.
Putin is worse than Trump, and that's why the rumoured Russian interference in the election worries me. I don't know if the Russians did the hack, but I've seen fairly compelling evidence it was a nation state. The same hack that caught Podesta was tried on nearly 1800 email accounts, the bulk of which belonged to senior people in various militaries, NATO and various governments. The sort of people that the teenage hacker in his bedroom (that Trump said it was) would have absolutely no interest in.

I've read (and have no proof either way) that the hacks used bear the same hallmarks as several Russian state sponsored hacks.

The reason it concerns me is that IF Putin helped Trump win, there will be a cost, and from what I've read about Putin, if he did order the hack on the Democrats, it's likely they also hacked both the Republicans and the Trump Organisation, so he possibly has a lot of compromising material he can release. How far will the Republicans and Trump go to prevent this?

Damien 02-02-2017 23:23
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883716)
Yeah yeah,

I know the point is Kuwait have a ban like this for ages, and I bet no one knew, as it isn't news worthy apparently.

So is it ok for Muslims to ban muslims? But not for America to ban muslims.......( even though they're not banning muslims as such)
I imagine it's not as big news people aren't as clued into the affairs of Kuwait as they are with America. That's certainly the case with me. I know a lot more about that's happen in Britain, Europe or America than I do Kuwait. Also, with no disrespect to Kuwait, America has a lot bigger impact on the world.

Is it ok for Muslims to ban Muslims? I think blanket bans on anyone on the grounds of their place of birth or religion is wrong. If you have two people that are exactly the same but one was born in a different place you've deemed 'wrong' then that's harsh. Although I was especially angry at the treatment of already legal migrants, I think that remains outrageous.

That I think there is a much stronger argument for controlled immigration where you prioritise people. So skilled migration first, quotas etc.

ianch99 02-02-2017 23:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883716)
Yeah yeah,

I know the point is Kuwait have a ban like this for ages, and I bet no one knew, as it isn't news worthy apparently.

So is it ok for Muslims to ban muslims? But not for America to ban muslims.......( even though they're not banning muslims as such)
To equate the USA and Kuwait is just being dumb.

The USA is founded on immigration, it is the self-proclaimed "land of the free" and up until recently welcomed all irrespective of race or religion. Trump (and Bannon behind him, pulling the strings) is trying to stop this based on their prejudices and "America First" goals.

Define "safe"? If your child is shot in High School or a victim of a drive-by shooting, is their death "acceptable"? Are those deaths tolerated?

Apparently they are. If Trump's priority was to make America "safe" then he would not start with a Muslim ban when no Americans have been killed on US soil by said immigrants.

The USA already carefully vets potential immigrants:

How does the US screen refugees? Very carefully

so the EO Muslim Ban is just political theatre pandering to his electorate, nothing more.

Stuart 02-02-2017 23:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883721)
To equate the USA and Kuwait is just being dumb.

The USA is founded on immigration, it is the self-proclaimed "land of the free" and up until recently welcomed all irrespective of race or religion. Trump (and Bannon behind him, pulling the strings) is trying to stop this based on their prejudices and "America First" goals.

Define "safe"? If your child is shot in High School or a victim of a drive-by shooting, is their death "acceptable"? Are those deaths tolerated?

Apparently they are. If Trump's priority was to make America "safe" then he would not start with a Muslim ban when no Americans have been killed on US soil by said immigrants.

The USA already carefully vets potential immigrants:

How does the US screen refugees? Very carefully

so the EO Muslim Ban is just political theatre pandering to his electorate, nothing more.
A friend of mine on facebook made a good point. She made the point that there are ways Trump could have introduced the delay (remember he assured us that this ban is only a delay) into the system without generating the news he did. Simply delay the checks.

As for the threat posed by Islamic extremists, there is one (to suggest otherwise is, frankly, stupid) but it's not as great as any of our governments have said. Indeed, in America, you are far more likely to be killed by a right wing extremist that you are an Muslim extremist. http://europe.newsweek.com/right-win...s-422743?rm=eu

Pierre 03-02-2017 00:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883721)
To equate the USA and Kuwait is just being dumb.
Why, two sovereign nations controlling their borders

Quote:
The USA is founded on immigration, it is the self-proclaimed "land of the free" and up until recently welcomed all irrespective of race or religion. Trump (and Bannon behind him, pulling the strings) is trying to stop this based on their prejudices and "America First" goals.
So they're not allowed to say who comes in then?

Quote:
Define "safe"? If your child is shot in High School or a victim of a drive-by shooting, is their death "acceptable"? Are those deaths tolerated?
I've made no mention of this.

Quote:
The USA already carefully vets potential immigrants:
they want to be more careful, that's their prerogative.

Mick 03-02-2017 01:29
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883718)
Not really. That just the insults of the playground. If you can't debate, insult (like a child) :)
That really was priceless... especially in your next post, you then said....

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
To equate the USA and Kuwait is just being dumb.

Kursk 03-02-2017 02:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35883713)
So similar to those who voted remain adopting the insulting term used by the Brexit press of remoaner, but in an ironical way? :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883718)
Not really. That just the insults of the playground. If you can't debate, insult (like a child) :)
Dear Lord, don't you remoaning minnies ever stop your remoaning? I've always thought of 'remoaner' as an affectionate platitude for 'loser'. There's just no pleasing mummy's little soldiers :).

I, for one, am more than happy to stop using the offensive 'R' word if the more factual terminology of loser is preferred.

martyh 03-02-2017 08:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35883733)
Dear Lord, don't you remoaning minnies ever stop your remoaning? I've always thought of 'remoaner' as an affectionate platitude for 'loser'. There's just no pleasing mummy's little soldiers :).

I, for one, am more than happy to stop using the offensive 'R' word if the more factual terminology of loser is preferred.
Or you could just grow up and stop talking in terms of winning and losing like a 12 yr old

denphone 03-02-2017 09:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883741)
Or you could just grow up and stop talking in terms of winning and losing like a 12 yr old
Yes it would be nice if the small minority did not spit the dummy out just because someone has a different view to what they have as l thought this is what grown rational adults were supposed to in debating rationally without the need to throw out childish insults all the time.

Damien 03-02-2017 10:06
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
This is weird. Kelly-Ann Conway, Trump's advisor and former campaign manager, has cited a terrorist attack committed by immigrates from the listed countries as justification for the ban. The only problem is that his terrorist attack, the 'Bowling Green Massacre', never happened: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nd-travel-ban/

Quote:
During a Thursday interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, the counselor to the president defended President Trump’s travel ban related to seven majority-Muslim countries. At one point, Conway made a reference to two Iraqi refugees whom she described as the masterminds behind “the Bowling Green Massacre.”

“Most people don’t know that because it didn’t get covered,” Conway said.

The Bowling Green Massacre didn’t get covered because it didn’t happen. There has never been a terrorist attack in Bowling Green, Ky., carried out by Iraqi refugees or anyone else.

Pierre 03-02-2017 10:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883751)
This is weird. Kelly-Ann Conway, Trump's advisor and former campaign manager, has cited a terrorist attack committed by immigrates from the listed countries as justification for the ban. The only problem is that his terrorist attack, the 'Bowling Green Massacre', never happened: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nd-travel-ban/
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing for an uninformed rookie politician now at the sharp end.

There was no massacre but there was terror related crimes undertaken by Iraqi immigrants that did cause the 6month pause that the Obama administration imposed of Iraqi visas

http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state...green-massacre

ianch99 03-02-2017 14:14
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35883733)
Dear Lord, don't you remoaning minnies ever stop your remoaning? I've always thought of 'remoaner' as an affectionate platitude for 'loser'. There's just no pleasing mummy's little soldiers :).

I, for one, am more than happy to stop using the offensive 'R' word if the more factual terminology of loser is preferred.
Quit moaning and go back under your bridge

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883731)
That really was priceless... especially in your next post, you then said....
Yawn ... :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883751)
This is weird. Kelly-Ann Conway, Trump's advisor and former campaign manager, has cited a terrorist attack committed by immigrates from the listed countries as justification for the ban. The only problem is that his terrorist attack, the 'Bowling Green Massacre', never happened: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nd-travel-ban/
What would be more worrying if these "facts" start to creep into the press briefings. I know that Mr Spicer is spinning various events in Trumps favour but it is a fine line between spin and invention ..

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883726)
Why, two sovereign nations controlling their borders
If you want to equate the actions of the worlds largest democracy, founded on welcoming immigrants and a constitutional Emirate with a semi-democratic political system and a suspect human rights record then please go-ahead.

Mick 03-02-2017 14:17
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883786)

Yawn ... :rolleyes:
Roll your eyes all you bloody want ! Practice what you preach. Simples. :dozey:

pip08456 03-02-2017 15:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I can see this causing him problems.

Donald Trump White House Dress Code Policy? Female Staffers Must ‘Dress Like Women,’ President Says

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-...sident-2485576

Stuart 03-02-2017 15:07
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35883733)

I, for one, am more than happy to stop using the offensive 'R' word if the more factual terminology of loser is preferred.
Or how about both sides stop using such potentially offensive terms as Remoaner and Loser and actually work together to improve things?

Mick 03-02-2017 15:15
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35883806)
I can see this causing him problems.

Donald Trump White House Dress Code Policy? Female Staffers Must ‘Dress Like Women,’ President Says

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-...sident-2485576
Agreed, however, to be fair the article did say men had a to adhere to a dress code too. Dress codes for male and female are set in different appearance in many walks of life when it comes to various companies.

Kursk 03-02-2017 15:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883741)
Or you could just grow up and stop talking in terms of winning and losing like a 12 yr old
I talk in terms that can be understood even by a confused and belligerent white van man. Honk if you understand.

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35883745)
Yes it would be nice if the small minority did not spit the dummy out just because someone has a different view to what they have as l thought this is what grown rational adults were supposed to in debating rationally without the need to throw out childish insults all the time.
It would be nice if before you reach 45000 posts you actually make a contribution that includes an opinion rather than the perpetual suck-up approval of others.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883786)
Quit moaning and go back under your bridge
Quit remoaning and we'll have a deal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35883807)
Or how about both sides stop using such potentially offensive terms as Remoaner and Loser and actually work together to improve things?
Or how about when a member creates a thread for that very purpose, it isn't closed immediately?

Hugh 03-02-2017 16:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Islington remembers....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3vvd7mXAAAY-Xu.jpg

And as Boothby Graffoe so aptly put it
Quote:
There aren't enough shootings in America they have to make one up?

1andrew1 03-02-2017 17:25
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35883813)
I talk in terms that can be understood even by a confused and belligerent white van man. Honk if you understand.

It would be nice if before you reach 45000 posts you actually make a contribution that includes an opinion rather than the perpetual suck-up approval of others.

Quit remoaning and we'll have a deal.

Or how about when a member creates a thread for that very purpose, it isn't closed immediately?
Come on old chum, why all the negativity? Maybe recovering from late night A50 celebrations? I understand. ;)
Would be tremendous to hear a bit more from you listing the countries we will do trade deals with, for example, and a little less of the dashed unfair attacks on fellow forum contributors.

Kursk 03-02-2017 17:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35883823)
Come on old chum, why all the negativity? Maybe recovering from late night A50 celebrations? I understand. ;)
Would be tremendous to hear a bit more from you listing the countries we will do trade deals with, for example, and a little less of the dashed unfair attacks on fellow forum contributors.
I don't attack old chum, I defend, and I think you'll find remoaners have a monopoly on negativity. As for Countries we might do trade deals with, get a map, scribble out Europe (unless they decide not to cut off their nez to spite their visage) et voila.

Mick 03-02-2017 18:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35883823)
Come on old chum, why all the negativity? Maybe recovering from late night A50 celebrations? I understand. ;)
Would be tremendous to hear a bit more from you listing the countries we will do trade deals with, for example, and a little less of the dashed unfair attacks on fellow forum contributors.
One sided as always Andrew I see : There has been references to trolls and other members views being called dumb. It needs to stop from both sides.

Mr K 03-02-2017 18:15
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883829)
One sided as always Andrew I see : There has been references to trolls and other members views being called dumb. It needs to stop from both sides.
This is a bit rich Mick, you called somebody 'Mr Ignorant' a few pages back... However we forgive you, lets move on, nicely ;)

1andrew1 03-02-2017 18:40
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883829)
One sided as always Andrew I see : There has been references to trolls and other members views being called dumb. It needs to stop from both sides.
For the record, I've never called anyone a troll nor members' views dumb. I appreciate the hard work that people on this forum put into finding references etc and I've learnt a lot from it.
I don't see people as being on sides, but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree.

Chrysalis 03-02-2017 18:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35883527)
You mean like Gordon Brown did? All she needs to remember is that she's running the country and until Labour wake up and get shot of Corbyn there is going to be no credible opposition. They're the ones letting the country down.
These days a credible opposition is what? that also heads to the middle and rubber stamps everything the leading party does.

It is ironic the only time labour have seemed credible in recent times is when they were leaning to the right under blair.

But yes brown inherited from blair also, I am talking about now not then tho.

Mick 03-02-2017 18:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35883830)
This is a bit rich Mick, you called somebody 'Mr Ignorant' a few pages back... However we forgive you, lets move on, nicely ;)
True but if you recall I took it back and removed that remark after much complaint.

:Peaceman:

Chrysalis 03-02-2017 18:57
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35883569)
I always thought that in a general election you voted for the local MP you considered fit and proper of representing you.

I've never known of a general election to elect a leader of a party.
What world do you live in pip?

FPTP is for the most part people voting for a party (influenced by its leader) regardless of the representative, e.g. you could put a dog up for vote in a labour safe seat area as the labour candidate and it would be voted in.

My dad a long time tory voter voted for blair in 1997 purely because he didnt like john major.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35883705)
The following is a list from the US Holocaust Museum titled "Early warnings signs of fascism".

It's a bit worrying to read this list and realise how many of these aspects Trump ticks or is close to. You only have to consider today's moves by Trump to allow church leaders to endorse politicians and to appreciate that it ticks the box of "Religion and government intertwined"

The list from the US Holocaust Museum reads:
- Powerful and continuing nationalism
- Disdain for human rights
- Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
- Supremacy of the military
- Rampant sexism
- Controlled mass media
- Obsession with national security
- Religion and government intertwined
- Corporate power protected
- Labor power suppressed
- Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
- Obsession with crime and punishment
- Rampant cronyism and corruption
- Fraudulent elections
http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/31/stark-...s-day-6417633/

James O'Brien does a good piece on it here.
funny enough a fair chunk of that applies to the UK also :)

ianch99 03-02-2017 19:07
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883829)
One sided as always Andrew I see : There has been references to trolls and other members views being called dumb. It needs to stop from both sides.
Let's all stop this negative attitude.

If someone wants to criticise Trump and they feel they can supply an argument to do so then that's a good thing. If you can reply with a counterargument then let everyone judge the pros and cons of the two points of view.

What is unacceptable are when people shouted down and insulted because they hold the opposite opinion or they do not accept a particular side of the argument.

Calling someone a "Loser", "Remoaner", "Mr Ignorant", etc. adds no value and just winds people up. I certainly am guilty for being wound up by deliberately provocative posts and I am equally guilty for replying to these posts in the wrong way.

Paul 03-02-2017 19:27
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The petty name calling and general childish behavior in this thread can now stop.

Anyone who keeps it up will feel the "wrath of admin", with forced posting breaks.

pip08456 03-02-2017 19:38
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35883837)
What world do you live in pip?

FPTP is for the most part people voting for a party (influenced by its leader) regardless of the representative, e.g. you could put a dog up for vote in a labour safe seat area as the labour candidate and it would be voted in.

My dad a long time tory voter voted for blair in 1997 purely because he didnt like john major.[COLOR="Silver"]
I live in the world where the party leader is not elected by the electorate. Even if Cameron had not been PM at the time May would still have inherited the leadership.

Didn't your father also vote Brexit as a protest vote against the Government?

Damien 03-02-2017 20:02
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump signs two executive orders to look at rolling back some of the post-2008 wall street regulation:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/03/513224...ecutive-action

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President Trump signed two directives on Friday, ordering a review of financial industry regulations known as Dodd-Frank and halting implementation of a rule that requires financial advisers to act in the best interests of their clients, according to a senior administration official who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity.

Ramrod 03-02-2017 20:13
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35883806)
I can see this causing him problems.

Donald Trump White House Dress Code Policy? Female Staffers Must ‘Dress Like Women,’ President Says

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-...sident-2485576
:rofl: :D

Arthurgray50@blu 03-02-2017 21:04
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I read in the https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2f1cf9a2f9ee

Very interesting read

Maggy 03-02-2017 21:13
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35883841)
Let's all stop this negative attitude.

If someone wants to criticise Trump and they feel they can supply an argument to do so then that's a good thing. If you can reply with a counterargument then let everyone judge the pros and cons of the two points of view.

What is unacceptable are when people shouted down and insulted because they hold the opposite opinion or they do not accept a particular side of the argument.

Calling someone a "Loser", "Remoaner", "Mr Ignorant", etc. adds no value and just winds people up. I certainly am guilty for being wound up by deliberately provocative posts and I am equally guilty for replying to these posts in the wrong way.
:tu:

Arthurgray50@blu 03-02-2017 21:55
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Please remember what l have said in previous post. And l agree with various Countries that have said Trump is an Inexperience Politician.

He has this almighty toy - the USA. And he is playing with it, just like his businesses. He has brought out all these orders. That is threatening the very thing that the States stand for. And he is breaking everything possible. Until he has what he wants.

This wont be discussed in Parliament if the petition goes about a certain figure. Miss May will just toss it to one side.

1andrew1 04-02-2017 01:19
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35883754)
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing for an uninformed rookie politician now at the sharp end.

There was no massacre but there was terror related crimes undertaken by Iraqi immigrants that did cause the 6month pause that the Obama administration imposed of Iraqi visas

http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state...green-massacre
Thanks for digging that up, as you say it does explain the Iraqi ban.

On a related note, I found this quite amusing. :D
https://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com/

Mr Banana 04-02-2017 07:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Wonder if he will sack the judge now?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38864253

Damien 04-02-2017 08:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
They were still trying to detain and bar valid visa holders. It came out yesterday they revoked 100,000 visas! Legal migrants! People who might have nowhere else to go, whose jobs and maybe even families are in the United States being told at the border to go elsewhere. It amount to a sudden and immediate deportation of legal migrants without due process. How people can support that part of the policy is beyond me.

Mr Banana 04-02-2017 09:17
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883885)
They were still trying to detain and bar valid visa holders. It came out yesterday they revoked 100,000 visas! Legal migrants! People who might have nowhere else to go, whose jobs and maybe even families are in the United States being told at the border to go elsewhere. It amount to a sudden and immediate deportation of legal migrants without due process. How people can support that part of the policy is beyond me.
I read that last night, it's beyond belief that they are barring people who have wives, kids and jobs in a country where they have lived for a number of years.

heero_yuy 04-02-2017 10:07
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Don't discount an excess of zeal by frustrated Clintonista's in an attempt to bring Trump down. ;)

Hugh 04-02-2017 14:58
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35883889)
Don't discount an excess of zeal by frustrated Clintonista's in an attempt to bring Trump down. ;)
Do you mean like this Bush appointed judge?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/03/po...nwide-ag-says/
Quote:
President Donald Trump on Saturday morning took to Twitter to blast a federal judge's decision to halt his immigration order nationwide.

"The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!" he tweeted.
Federal Judge James Robart, a George W. Bush appointee who presides in Washington state, temporarily stopped the order on Friday night.

US Customs and Border Protection then alerted airlines the US government would quickly begin reinstating visas that were previously canceled, and CBP advised airlines that refugees that are in possession of US visas will be admitted as well, an airline executive said.

Damien 04-02-2017 15:06
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I wonder if this will end up at the Supreme Court? It's not surprising Trump is painting the Judicial system as the enemy, it's one of the few things that is meant to keep him in check.

heero_yuy 04-02-2017 15:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35883917)
Do you mean like this Bush appointed judge?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/03/po...nwide-ag-says/
No, I was suggesting that Clintonista border and visa officials might be over-interpreting the presidential order to cause trouble of the kind in your link. ;)

Mr Banana 04-02-2017 15:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35883917)
Do you mean like this Bush appointed judge?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/03/po...nwide-ag-says/
Looks like tango man is trying to bully his way through anything that gets in his way.

Mick 04-02-2017 15:25
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35883919)
No, I was suggesting that Clintonista border and visa officials might be over-interpreting the presidential order to cause trouble of the kind in your link. ;)
It was a good suggestion but liberals have their own agenda's. :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883918)
I wonder if this will end up at the Supreme Court? It's not surprising Trump is painting the Judicial system as the enemy, it's one of the few things that is meant to keep him in check.
His EO went through the legality checks prior to it being actioned, so the need to keep him check twice over is needed because?

Hence, why he rightfully fired Obama's Acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, for publicly undermining The President.

Damien 04-02-2017 15:40
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35883919)
No, I was suggesting that Clintonista border and visa officials might be over-interpreting the presidential order to cause trouble of the kind in your link. ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883922)
It was a good suggestion but liberals have their own agenda's. :rolleyes:.
Is there any evidence of this or is it just an attempt to divert blame from Trump himself? Why did they continue to revoke valid visas for a week until this court order? Why are they challenging this court order?

It was seen right away that Green card and Visa holders were not exempt: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=1727

They could have changed it. They could have issued official advice to exempt Green card and Visa holders. They've done neither.

Chrysalis 04-02-2017 15:57
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35883848)
I live in the world where the party leader is not elected by the electorate. Even if Cameron had not been PM at the time May would still have inherited the leadership.

Didn't your father also vote Brexit as a protest vote against the Government?
he did, but its also worth pointing out he never liked cameron. He voted for the UKIP party in the last election and he likes farage. The last tory leader he liked was thatcher.

ianch99 04-02-2017 17:32
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883922)
It was a good suggestion but liberals have their own agenda's. :rolleyes:

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His EO went through the legality checks prior to it being actioned, so the need to keep him check twice over is needed because?

Hence, why he rightfully fired Obama's Acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, for publicly undermining The President.
It obviously didn't go through very good checks if it so easily overturned. Yes, you could take a paranoid track and assume the Judiciary, Border Control, Visa Administration, etc. personnel are all politically motivated or you could just take the view that this is just a bad piece of legislation rushed through in haste.

martyh 04-02-2017 17:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883922)
It was a good suggestion but liberals have their own agenda's. :rolleyes:

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His EO went through the legality checks prior to it being actioned, so the need to keep him check twice over is needed because?

Hence, why he rightfully fired Obama's Acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, for publicly undermining The President.
His EO may have gone through legality checks but only with the people who will agree with him ,he is surrounding himself with yes men and women fond of using 'alternative facts' .Trump needs to start using congress instead of these executive orders that the Republican party slammed Obama for using ,calling him Emperor Obama.

Damien 04-02-2017 17:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Plus he has had over a week to 'clarify' the mistake and hasn't.

Mick 04-02-2017 18:08
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883946)
Plus he has had over a week to 'clarify' the mistake and hasn't.
What mistake ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883944)
His EO may have gone through legality checks but only with the people who will agree with him ,he is surrounding himself with yes men and women fond of using 'alternative facts' .Trump needs to start using congress instead of these executive orders that the Republican party slammed Obama for using ,calling him Emperor Obama.
Actually he is not surrounding himself with yes people at all, you really do need to stop following the liberal media. Trump said he was for Torture, his defense secretary is against it, so Trump has accepted General Mattis view of it and left him with the decision not to use it. Does that look like a 'yes' person to you?

Alternative facts you mean of the 7 countries that were devised and deemed a threat by Obama Administration ?

Mr Banana 04-02-2017 18:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883949)
What mistake ?

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Actually he is not surrounding himself with yes people at all, you really do need to stop following the liberal media. Trump said he was for Torture, his defense secretary is against it, so Trump has accepted General Mattis view of it and left him with the decision not to use it. Does that look like a 'yes' person to you?

Alternative facts you mean of the 7 countries that were devised and deemed a threat by Obama Administration ?
I don't recall ever reading that Obama stopped letting people into the country, who had the necessary papers to be there??

martyh 04-02-2017 18:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883949)
What mistake ?

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Actually he is not surrounding himself with yes people at all, you really do need to stop following the liberal media. Trump said he was for Torture, his defense secretary is against it, so Trump has accepted General Mattis view of it and left him with the decision not to use it. Does that look like a 'yes' person to you?

Alternative facts you mean of the 7 countries that were devised and deemed a threat by Obama Administration ?
Nobody has ever denied that the countries in question could be a threat to any countries security ,the big difference between Obamas policy and Trumps policy is Obamas was a measured reaction to increase security it wasn't an all out ban and deportation of Muslims.You really need to stop trying to defend Trumps Muslim ban by saying that Obama did it first because he did not ,that is called an 'alternative fact'

Damien 04-02-2017 18:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883949)
What mistake ?
Having a order so badly drafted it included people with green cards and visas. Unless it was intentional that is.

Mick 04-02-2017 19:14
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883955)
Nobody has ever denied that the countries in question could be a threat to any countries security ,the big difference between Obamas policy and Trumps policy is Obamas was a measured reaction to increase security it wasn't an all out ban and deportation of Muslims.You really need to stop trying to defend Trumps Muslim ban by saying that Obama did it first because he did not ,that is called an 'alternative fact'
I never said he did it, I just said it was Obama's list of 'At risk' countries. That's the difference.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35883952)
I don't recall ever reading that Obama stopped letting people into the country, who had the necessary papers to be there??
See above.

martyh 04-02-2017 19:29
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883961)
I never said he did it, I just said it was Obama's list of 'At risk' countries. That's the difference.[COLOR="Silver"]
you've used the fact that Obama made the same countries have visas and some extra vetting to get into the country as a defence for Trump since the story broke ,your first post on the subject was a link that showing Obamas new legislation and then this from you ...........post 1817

Quote:
I saw the story earlier today on the news. I refer you to my last post, whatever I/we agree/don't agree on is irrelevant, though I point out the massive hypocrisy, that there was already a 'Muslim ban' before this so called 'Muslim ban' before Trump became President and no-one bat an eyelid during or since it's inception.
Obamas legislation was completely different to Trumps ,the only similarity is that Trump used the same list of countries.

Kursk 04-02-2017 19:32
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Perhaps the EO is a message to all especially those who sit on the fence wherever they might be, that you are either with the US or against it and if you prefer to be non-committal about your intentions you may find you become collateral damage? The EO is temporary presumably so that sympathies can be established.

The President is acting on his word which is what his supporters, the majority of the electorate, expect and he is reaching them directly through twitter to be assured what he says isn't massaged before dissemination.

Damien 04-02-2017 19:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35883969)
Perhaps the EO is a message to all especially those who sit on the fence wherever they might be, that you are either with the US or against it and if you prefer to be non-committal about your intentions you may find you become collateral damage? The EO is temporary presumably so that sympathies can be established.
In most democracies political dissent is not a test of loyalty to the country. That is quite fascist. It is perfectly normal to be against Trump's policy and not 'against the US'. I doubt even Trump is that mad.

Kursk 04-02-2017 19:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883971)
In most democracies political dissent is not a test of loyalty to the country. That is quite fascist. It is perfectly normal to be against Trump's policy and not 'against the US'. :rolleyes:
I agree with you but 'being against policy' has reached a new level. A march or peaceful protest is fine; gunning down citizens in the street is not. Inaction within the EU is showing us where this leads.

Damien 04-02-2017 19:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35883972)
I agree with you but 'being against policy' has reached a new level. A march or peaceful protest is fine; gunning down citizens in the street is not. Inaction within the EU is showing us where this leads.
:confused:

Kursk 04-02-2017 19:46
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883974)
:confused:
President Trump is a strong leader and inspirational.

Mr Banana 04-02-2017 19:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35883975)
President Trump is a strong leader and inspirational.
Really? I think he is a blundering, bullying idiot.

papa smurf 04-02-2017 19:55
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35883977)
Really? I think he is a blundering, bullying idiot.
he's president of the USA it goes with the job;)

Mick 04-02-2017 20:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883967)



Obamas legislation was completely different to Trumps ,the only similarity is that Trump used the same list of countries.
Erm, that's what I said to you earlier and is my whole point, it is NOT Trumps list.

And What I referred to in a previous post, that you have highlighted there was that Obama banned ALL Iraqi migrants for SIX MONTHS back in 2011.

TheDaddy 04-02-2017 20:02
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35883969)
The President is acting on his word which is what his supporters, the majority of the electorate, expect and he is reaching them directly through twitter to be assured what he says isn't massaged before dissemination.
Not the majority of the electorate at all, far from it

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35883977)
Really? I think he is a blundering, bullying idiot.
He's party has blundered here, all this crap about keeping Americans safe and they go and decide to let the mentally ill have guns without checks, I mean what could go wrong with that?

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/...-buy-guns.html

papa smurf 04-02-2017 20:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35883980)
Not the majority of the electorate at all, far from it



He's party has blundered here, all this crap about keeping Americans safe and they go and decide to let the mentally ill have guns without checks, I mean what could go wrong with that?

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/...-buy-guns.html
so they put an end to a law that discriminates against the mentally ill .

Mr Banana 04-02-2017 20:15
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35883980)
Not the majority of the electorate at all, far from it



He's party has blundered here, all this crap about keeping Americans safe and they go and decide to let the mentally ill have guns without checks, I mean what could go wrong with that?

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/...-buy-guns.html
Its comments like this via Twitter that I can't get my head around.

'The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!'

He is an out and out bully with absolutely no regard for anybody who gets in his way.

Mick 04-02-2017 20:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35883980)
Not the majority of the electorate at all, far from it
And you know this how?

And please don't recite the Clinton popular vote crap, we all know that is not how American democracy works.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy
He's party has blundered here, all this crap about keeping Americans safe and they go and decide to let the mentally ill have guns without checks, I mean what could go wrong with that?

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/...-buy-guns.html
Gun rights, is that countries thing, never understood it, don't want to understand it, that said however, shock horror looks like a few democrats were in favour of allowing it too. ;)

martyh 04-02-2017 20:24
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883979)
Erm, that's what I said to you earlier and is my whole point, it is NOT Trumps list.

And What I referred to in a previous post, that you have highlighted there was that Obama banned ALL Iraqi migrants for SIX MONTHS back in 2011.
Obama did NOT ban all Iraqi migrants or refugees at all ,his legislation re examined visas already granted and slowed the process of granting new visas by performing extra checks ,it was nothing like Trumps Muslim ban .We know that Trump used obamas list but that is where the similarities end you cannot keep saying Obama did it first because he didn't .

have a read you might learn something

Mick 04-02-2017 20:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35883983)

He is an out and out bully with absolutely no regard for anybody who gets in his way.
Get over yourself, goodness gracious. :rolleyes:

Who would have thought it perfectly reasonable for a opinionated Federal Judge, probably from a Liberal land, wanting to over turn the Executive Actions of the US President, no President would just accept that, who you trying to kid ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883985)
you cannot keep saying Obama did it first because he didn't .
I can and I have and I am sticking to my view, it is Obama's list. Regardless of what actions were took when and where.

martyh 04-02-2017 20:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883984)
And you know this how?

trump 46.1% votes 62,979,879

clinton 48.2% votes 65,844,954

that's how we know and it means that kursks assertion that Trumps supporters equate to the majority of the electorate is crap

Mick 04-02-2017 20:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883988)
trump 46.1% votes 62,979,879

clinton 48.2% votes 65,844,954

that's how we know and it means that kursks assertion that Trumps supporters equate to the majority of the electorate is crap
No it isn't, Trump won more States. Go figure. ;)

martyh 04-02-2017 20:38
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883986)
Get over yourself, goodness gracious. :rolleyes:

Who would have thought it perfectly reasonable for a opinionated Federal Judge, probably from a Liberal land, wanting to over turn the Executive Actions of the US President, no President would just accept that, who you trying to kid ?

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I can and I have and I am sticking to my view, it is Obama's list. Regardless of what actions were took when and where.
Your view is factually incorrect ,an 'alternative fact' as Kellyanne Conway would say

Damien 04-02-2017 20:38
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883986)
Get over yourself, goodness gracious. :rolleyes:

Who would have thought it perfectly reasonable for a opinionated Federal Judge, probably from a Liberal land, wanting to over turn the Executive Actions of the US President, no President would just accept that, who you trying to kid ?
The judge was appointed by President Bush.

And it is perfectly reasonable for judges to overrule actions from the executive. It's part of the system. The Government is accountable to the law and the judiciary is listed right alongside the executive as one of the three branches of the US Government. The idea that Trump and his supporters view that as unacceptable is one of the reasons people believe he is dangerous.

And finally it happened to other Presidents as well. It happened to Obama as well: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...ecision-224728 He didn't go personally after the judge or even the court itself, other than saying they needed to have a full bench (there was a tie as the court is currently 8 rather than 9), but instead went after congress on immigration.

Mick 04-02-2017 20:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883991)
Your view is factually incorrect ,an 'alternative fact' as Kellyanne Conway would say
If you say so, I disagree. Stop trying to force your views on me, it won't work.

Pierre 04-02-2017 20:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The more the political establishment try to stop Trump fulfilling his election promises the more support he will attract. If it carries on this all the way through his first term, a second term is a certainty.

I'm not a fan of Trump. He a narcissist amongst a great many other things. But I am sick, so sick, of how through the liberal left controlled media - globally - we only get one side of the argument. This is the real threat to democracy, this amongst other reasons, is also why he won, why the conservatives won, why Brexit won.

Because on social media, in the press, on the TV, in the street, we get the left side of the argument shoved down our throats every day, and if we object we get branded racist, homophobic, misogynist and any other label you want, and we're not.

So most keep their mouth shut, and voice their opinion on Election/Voting Day.

For balance here's a view point you may not have heard, or you may have

https://youtu.be/hzyLoW9LSTo.

martyh 04-02-2017 20:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883990)
No it isn't, Trump won more States. Go figure. ;)
Which doesn't represent the majority of the electorate ,Trump won the college vote not the popular vote .Americas voting system is bizarre to say the least and may have made sense to the founding fathers but not so much now

denphone 04-02-2017 20:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35883977)
Really? I think he is a blundering, bullying idiot.
How anybody can make a rational judgement about any leader after 2 weeks is beyond me as leaders are generally judged on how good they are after they have left office as that is the time to pass judgement IMO on them.

Mick 04-02-2017 20:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883992)
The judge was appointed by President Bush.

And it is perfectly reasonable for judges to overrule actions from the executive. It's part of the system. The Government is accountable to the law and the judiciary is listed right alongside the executive as one of the three branches of the US Government. The idea that Trump and his supporters view that as unacceptable is one of the reasons people believe he is dangerous.

And finally it happened to other Presidents as well. It happened to Obama as well: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...ecision-224728 He didn't go personally after the judge or even the court itself, other than saying they needed to have a full bench (there was a tie as the court is currently 8 rather than 9), but instead went after congress on immigration.
He may still do all that. Or he could go down Emergency Order to reinstate the Temporary suspension.

martyh 04-02-2017 20:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883993)
If you say so, I disagree. Stop trying to force your views on me, it won't work.
not forcing views ,forcing facts, big difference

Damien 04-02-2017 20:45
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883997)
He may still do all that. Or he could go down Emergency Order to reinstate the Temporary suspension.
Still do what? I am unsure to what you're referring. The last part of my post was what Obama did when the courts stuck down one of his EO and he didn't really have the chance to do that much as the court has spoken.

Mick 04-02-2017 20:45
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883995)
Which doesn't represent the majority of the electorate ,Trump won the college vote not the popular vote .Americas voting system is bizarre to say the least and may have made sense to the founding fathers but not so much now
Cannot really call their system when our voting system is just as dire.

Pierre 04-02-2017 20:47
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883985)
Obama did NOT ban all Iraqi migrants or refugees at all ,his legislation re examined visas already granted and slowed the process of granting new visas by performing extra checks ,it was nothing like Trumps Muslim ban .We know that Trump used obamas list but that is where the similarities end you cannot keep saying Obama did it first because he didn't .

have a read you might learn something
U
They did not grant any "new" visas for six months. That is a fact.

Also as that article points out they drastically reduced the amount of refugees that can in over a " year"

Trumps order is for 90 days.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883986)
Get over yourself, goodness gracious. :rolleyes:

I can and I have and I am sticking to my view, it is Obama's list. Regardless of what actions were took when and where.
You can and you should because you are correct

Mick 04-02-2017 20:49
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35883999)
Still do what?
That he will re-instate the Executive order. I took it by his tweet that he will fight it. No surprise that he would, does not make him a bully though.

Pierre 04-02-2017 20:56
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35883995)
Which doesn't represent the majority of the electorate ,Trump won the college vote not the popular vote .Americas voting system is bizarre to say the least and may have made sense to the founding fathers but not so much now
No more daft than ours.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35883996)
How anybody can make a rational judgement about any leader after 2 weeks is beyond me as leaders are generally judged on how good they are after they have left office as that is the time to pass judgement IMO on them.
Finally, the most sensible post in the last few days

Damien 04-02-2017 20:57
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35884004)
That he will re-instate the Executive order. I took it by his tweet that he will fight it. No surprise that he would, does not make him a bully though.
I am not sure he can just reinstate it if a court has struck it down. He'll need to fight in court.

I think they'll make provisions for Green Cards and existing Visa holders because that makes it indefensible. I sort of suspect the ambiguity on it was intentional precisely to provoke a fight so he can be fighting against the liberals. The refugee ban would still have provoked a great many people but when reports of existing legal residents being detained and even sent back in some cases came out it went into overdrive.

This suits Trump after all. He is getting stopped from doing what he promised by the liberal establishment. The actual legal ramifications of it aren't so compelling a story.

martyh 04-02-2017 21:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35884004)
That he will re-instate the Executive order. I took it by his tweet that he will fight it. No surprise that he would, does not make him a bully though.
he is not allowed to reinstate it ,he has to go through the appeal court and then possibly the supreme court but as yet have not filed any appeal.

Damien 04-02-2017 21:05
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
I think the Republicans repealing a regulation of issuing firearms to those with 'serious' mental health conditions will end up having a far bigger impact on the safety of Americans than this policy anyway. The GOP have found this issue a useful distraction IMO.

martyh 04-02-2017 21:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35883996)
How anybody can make a rational judgement about any leader after 2 weeks is beyond me as leaders are generally judged on how good they are after they have left office as that is the time to pass judgement IMO on them.
we can as a person though because he's been a bullying, racist,sexist a hole for years.

TheDaddy 04-02-2017 21:18
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so they put an end to a law that discriminates against the mentally ill .
I'm sure that'll come as great comfort to the families of anyone that ends up dead.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35883984)
And you know this how?

And please don't recite the Clinton popular vote crap, we all know that is not how American democracy works.
Kursk didn't mention anything about American democracy, he said the donald was acting on behalf of his supporters that made up the majority of electorate and that's just not true, it's not even an alternative fact.

denphone 04-02-2017 21:23
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we can as a person though because he's been a bullying, racist,sexist a hole for years.
l am talking not just about Trump but leaders in general in that l think generally the best time to pass judgement on how they did in office is well into the future once they have left office..

Pierre 04-02-2017 21:24
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we can as a person though because he's been a bullying, racist,sexist a hole for years.
Bollocks, you don't know him, you don't know anything about him.

You have an opinion of him from what you have read from 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand from predominantly left wing media.

So you can't "as a person" and don't pretend you can.


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