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Why indeed, with Homegroup my home network worked perfectly, the main pc connected via LAN to router and usb to printer. The laptop connected to the network via WiFi without any problems.

Now cannot get the laptop to print. :mad:

The main desktop PC with the 1803 update can see and access all the shared files on the laptop but the laptop now cannot see the main PC or printer.????

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You are 100% correct. I was classed as a dev/reporter on their next OS at the time code named Longhorn.(I had nothing to do with dev but reported on problems). That OS became Windows 7.0 which was not fit for purpose on release M/S didn't listen but, they had to get a new OS out. They soon followed it up with SP1 to solve the problems we'd reported. It was, to all intents and purposes XP with a different UI.

I still have a Longhorn install disc knocking about somewhere.

Vista, what a joke, they were aiming at Windows 10 then! They had to issue a sevice pack and guess what it was. It put XP OS back under the hood just as they did with Windows 7.

Windows 10 is a totally different beast. I won't give it house room now as I can see what they are aiming for. When W7 updates cease I'll go Linux.

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I think you're confusing Vista and Windows 7 there?

If I remember correctly the original Longhorn was scrapped, and development restarted for Vista on a branch of the latest Windows Server code available - which is why it then felt like XP with a different skin.

Windows 7 then 'fixed' Vista - some of which was just waiting for the hardware and tech companies to catch up with what Microsoft were doing e.g. WDDM.

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If you think so.;)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Develo...nt_%22reset%22

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:Same here :)

In fact I already play about with various Linux versions on a 12 year old laptop.

Now cast your mind back and think about the specs of a 12 year old laptop, and then smile when Ubuntu Studio (for example) instals flawlessly, picks up the wifi, has no graphics or audio problems, and works perfectly.

When I can no longer play the games I want on Win 7 I'll be going totally Linux and buying a console for gaming :D


edit: . . . and have you seen what comes as standard with Ubuntu Studio . . . for free :eek: :tu:

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Personally I think they should have taken a leaf from the Linux book and allow updated to run in without all those reboots. This would have been a big change to the gubbins and how libraries work but not necessarily how code is written, just how it's built.

Then have the libraries and applications separate so, like Linux you don't have to have quite so much crud installed with every app. But that would be harder as dev's would need to ensure compatibility.

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This happened to me on all 3 pcs and 2 laptops, all homegroups were deleted and i had to reset all the network up again.

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I'd say linux is completely viable now unless you need games or MS office (and libreoffice isn't good enough).

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I don't need games and M?S Office is not critical but I am photoshop user.

That said I could always use W7 in a VM on Linux and run CS6 from there.
Obviously between now and end of support I'll get around to having Linux as a dual boot option so I can get used to it, set up the VM and see how it goes.

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Personally I couldn't live without MS Access, it's database heaven :)

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There's actually nothing that Microsoft has that I couldn't do without except for W7 run in a VM on linux to use photoshop.
I fully understand other users have different requirementss/neeeds than I do and respect that.

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Not quite true as a reboot is required if you want to take advantage of any kernel updates. These days I feel I get kernel updates on a fairly frequent basis.

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I get kernel updates on rolling distros but not on my main ones.

And you don't need to reboot if kernel is updated, only to use the new kernel. Most days the updates are almost invisible except I am setup to run them. Also unlike Windows you can choose which updates to accept and you can lock certain items to prevent updates.

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The point of kernel updates is to use them! If you want all the security they offer plus all the microcode updates that Intel and AMD are pushing out to solve the Spectre and Meltdown (and other) issues, then a reboot will be necessary.

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Spectre V2 mitigation leads to a huge slowdown on one of my Linux's (OpenSuse Tumbleweed). It starts OK and I can start to play video (Netflix, Amazon) but after a while it gets really sluggish and the HD light stays lit. Machine becomes unusable, I have to switch to a console and kill Firefox processes.

But lots of distro's don't just push all kernel updates out. But the point still remains that most updates in Linux don't require an reboot or even logout/in. Kernel updates do require a reboot but you can keep on working and when you do reboot you don't have to wait hours while patches are applied, then have multiple reboots after that as you do with Windows. Nothing more annoying that shutting down and wanting to go home to be told that Windows is apply fixes and not to turn off.

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After having a new router changed last week I had a few problems with the home network due to my desktop running Win 10 v1803 without Homegroup and my wife's laptop that was rolled back to v1709 due to the problems above.

Finally bit the bullet and did a manual install of v1803 on the laptop and up to now it seems to be fine without any of the massive freeze ups that happened the last time.

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Why is Win 10 V1803 telling me I haven't got a firewall on whether in Windows or Kaspersky? Kaspersky is telling me it has a firewall running. If it wasn't for the ridiculous prices Apple charge I would seriously consider changing.

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windows 10 October update 2018 now available

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...oad/windows10/

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What does the update include?

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Is it going to be called Windows 10 forever?

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Another exciting opportunity to brick your PC. :D

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not me, I'me going to hold onto my 8.1 forever (well util support completely ends, then I'll see if MS have got a grip ad if not go to one of the Linux's.

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Anyone done the update yet and has it bricked their machine? cos im not gonna be the first lol.

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I did it, no problems.

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Same here, took about an hour all in.

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Just started downloading it at 14:50 so lets see how long my install takes...

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Took a little longer than an hour.:rolleyes:

All seems to be working, it informed me that it had removed Home Group but it did that on the last update??

Thankfully all network devices appear to be working fine, it was a real PITA to get them up and running after the last update removed Home Group.

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All completed in 53mins, no issues as far as i can tell.

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Just a heads up people are having some issues so be careful.

Source

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All fine here .

Updated 2 x Pc and 2 x laptop

No issues.

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Just did mine via the media creation software, one system down only 4 more to go lol.

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What's the latest stable build? I just reverted back to version 1809, build 17763.1 / from an evaluation copy, build 18252.rs

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The latest is the build you have installed.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/itpr...se-information

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Cheers, In that case, it's as stable as can be, no problems here AFAICS.

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This update has been pulled and Microsoft asks users not to install it if they have downloaded it manually.


https://www.neowin.net/news/microsof...serious-issues

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This is why i have made it so i can install updates only after i have seen Microsoft have issued a good one. They have a bad reputation for messing up there updates and therefor messing up your PC

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Ive no problem with the update.

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Both the updates I did took well over two hours but I did then through update function in the control panel not from a downloaded link. No problems at all ATM.

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It seems you've had enough of Windows!...

https://www.linuxmint.com/

HTH
:)

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Indeed i only have 1 windows machine the rest are on Linux. I only have the windows machine so i can play elite dangerous. I do love Mint it is much better than Ubuntu

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That is the documented history.

While the documented history probably isn't the whole truth, I'd argue that something like that happened because there suddenly was a long delay between updates, which happened to coincide with a massive improvement in Microsoft's security practices.

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The problem i have with this build is if i right click on the desktop to bring up the context menu, this appears instantly but if i then hover over New the next menu usually takes several seconds to appear unless i have done it a few times already.

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I have encountered two problems since the update, one on PC and one on laptop.
I run Acronis True Image 2019 on my desktop and since the update just after booting up I get a pop up warning that Acronis Scheduler Service is not running, also found out that the Active Protection within Acronis was not starting automatically either.

On the laptop after booting up I get an on screen warning that 'The system needs to be restarted for Control Center Application'. Simply closing this box appears to allow the laptop to function normally. :(

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1809 officially rereleased

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10

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I wonder which files it deletes this time, you first. :D

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none it fixed :D

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l will wait a while l think.

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I'm having problems with windows slowing down to a crawl after a few hours of use. Sometimes i have to restart my computer twice a day to be able to carry on using it, i mean the system gets so slow it wont even load websites. Now i'm sure the problem is a memory leak, i've updated all the drivers of my hardware to the latest versions i can find and its not made any difference. I've attached 4 pictures so u can all see the memory usages before and after a restart so u can judge what maybe the issue for me as im now at a complete loss.

Thanks.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2yjrimg.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/e6og9d.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/3509n2e.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/w7h7j8.jpg

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I'm at a loss why people still continue to use Win 10 frankly given all its shortcomings (that show no sign of going away)

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My machine at work is Win 10, I turn it on Monday morning, use it all day Mon -Fri, turn it off before I go home Friday evening, have been doing that with this machine last few months, and machine before that best part of two years.

I don't think I've had to reboot due to memory problems, and I often have 4 different browsers open with loads of tabs in each, Outlook, teamviewer, teams, Sql management (and SQL server), Code, Notepad++ and various other bits and bobs like Excel open during the day as I need them, and my laptop isn't anything special by today's standards, it must be a couple of years old.

if you're rebooting several times a day, what apps are you using? it may well be an extension in a browser causing problems. Try Firefox rather than Chrome.

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I don't usually have problems with it, I've had 1 occasion where windows update stopped it booting and I suspect windows restore sometimes gets turned off without my knowledge, I'm not that keen on its theme but for me it's the fastest and best version of Windows I've used.

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Im trying chrome rather than firefox as i thought it was an extension or something in firefox.

I Honestly just cant get to the bottom of it.

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That is really bizarre. Not your standard memory leak. What does resource monitor look like after the problem occurs? It's not some strange virtual machine set up is it?

Can you explain which is before and after the reboot. I would also check EventViewer for evidence of disk failure.

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Link 4 is after reboot, 1 and 2 are before reboot i think.

Theres no signs of any disk failures, all drives seem to work fine, its just for some reason sudden slow down which needs a reboot.

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Well you seem to have a great deal of memory free in "standby". which is fine. So I would perhaps check the disks. Or you have one rogue process/driver.

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Hi Alan have you tried a RAM test.


https://www.cnet.com/how-to/test-you...agnostic-tool/

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I'd be inclined to run a full virus scan. Invisible processes can gobble up RAM.

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What's it like running in safe mode?

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Tested ram and it seems to fine .

Runs fine in safe mode.

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So you know it is a driver or software issue then, try running your browser in safe mode for a day and report back.

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Found the issue.

The Aura Asus software was creating over 2 Million handles in the Task Manager, i had posted on another forum to and someone pointed it out.

I uninstalled the software and system instantly improved. I will now keep an eye on it for a day or so and report back.

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I found years ago that the more 'bells, whistles and flashing pretty lights' you have running, the greater the chance for problems to occur.

What works fine on one system may well crash a different one, you never really know until . . . ;)

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What id like to know tho is the ins and outs of what handles actually are.

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I don't know in the later windows but under DOS and earlier windows there was a DOS services function call "Open file with handle" The handle was then used whenever that file was accessed.

Just looked it up and it's still the same.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...o/file-handles

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Handles allow interaction with certain kernel resources. If a process starts spamming them the kernel starts to slow down. Which also happens when the hard drive is failing.

The handles are mainly there so the kernel can track who is using what.

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Well since Uninstalling Aura my PC is much more responsive.

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windows 10 May 2019 update now available


https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...oad/windows10/

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I'm not silly enough to install it right away, so will wait a few days to see how it goes with other people.

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Well in for a penny in for a pound?
Now on ver 1903, took all of afternoon to download/install.
Time will tell how happy I am with the whole experience.

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:rolleyes: I decided to let auto update install V1903 last night. Big mistake, after a couple of hours it froze at ‘Getting things ready 93%’ and I finally had to shut down PC and go to bed.

This morning if I open settings/ update it is still showing 93% but even left like that for an hour nothing changes. Anything I try to run will either not open or freeze.:(

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Not good, i think the update took me 10mins.

I wouldn't risk doing big updates late at night, can you try system restore, maybe you shouldn't have shut it down?

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Yeah l did mine early in the morning and thankfully it went ok although it took a good deal longer then 10 minutes..

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This may help, not had time to read it as off to work but they say unplug external drives.

https://www.tenforums.com/installati...tuck-27-a.html

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System Restore hasn't worked properly for ages. Might have to resort to my Acronis back up app.

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Try the previous link before you do anything so drastic as googling it loads of people have had an issue like yours.

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Acronis True Image has always worked really well for me, a full system restore to a couple of days ago went seamlessly in about 15 minutes. Now back in full control, will leave the update alone for a little longer.:)

Jim.

Useful info from Acronis . https://www.acronis.com/en-us/blog/p...79caa7c1f8d061

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hi usual pain in rear updates



can you try restart in SAFE MODE and run system restore ,cant think of anything else at moment

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As mentioned earlier, System Restore has not worked correctly for some time. That is why I use Acronis True Image, does exactly what it says on the tin, I have a 1TB external USB drive that Acronis uses for regular back ups. Works much better than System Restore ever has for me.

It seems as SnoopZ found that this recent problem is linked to external drives and even wireless USB devices such as a mouse.

I will give it a few days and then try again with external drive and mouse unplugged.

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new Microsoft edge chromium browser to be released through windows update today be after 6pm uk time

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Why is system restore now so rubbish? In the early years of Windows it worked well. In recent years whenever I tried it, it's failed/ got stuck for hours...

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have you tried the windows 10 recovery tools built into windows 10

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Mmmm, why don't they just call it Chrome? ;)

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Will try that next time I'm in a fix. I just liked the simple concept of system restore, restoring the computer to a time it worked .... Makes sense to me !

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Wonder if this update will include this fix?

https://www.nsaneforums.com/topic/36...ersions-today/

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I wish they would change the tab and buttons theme as I hate it.

Currently loving Vivaldi it's the best desktop browser I have psrsonally used I think since quiting Chrome and Firefox.

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Many of the browsers can be customised by use of a .css file in the appropriate profile. I use this to customise the tabs in FF. Needed after the classic theme restorer plug-in stopped working.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1579166375

The new tab button only turns green when hovered on. The tabs have gaps between them that the background shows through.

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My problem is i hate with a passion how the current google Chrome looks when its not in full screen and this also means Edge Chromium is similar, i just wish it was better looking like in Vivaldi.

For me to use Edge as my main browser i will have to change the search engine on the start page, i believe that is locked to Bing, so will look for an alternative start page in the Chrome store.

p.s that theme you have there is soooooooo bad! lol

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It's like that because the windows theme is Zune and that is mostly monochrome except for active buttons that are orange. :D

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Sunglasses needed! ;)

Just discovered you can't use the themes from the chrome store with Edge.

Atleast my essentials still work, Lastpass and Ublock Origin.

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link to download new Microsoft edge chromium as not in windows update yet

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge...GB&OCID=MO12GB

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Be useful to see a comparison between that and the Chtome browser.

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There is also a new version of this for Android.

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Can I take this opportunity to report that it's now 2 days since support for Win 7 was dropped.

My house hasn't burnt down, bank account been trashed, car stolen, or a large sink hole appeared in the front garden.

Maybe it's because I'm running dual boot with Ubuntu Studio. . . oh and System Restore works fine ;)

Wife did forget to put sugar in my coffee yesterday, but I'm attributing that one to human error. :D

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I'll be setting up dual boot with Linux Mint this weekend. No doubt I'll fully migrate to Linux eventually.

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Same, windows is mainly used for gaming, but with gaming requirements pushing ridiculous prices (GFX, CPU RAM upgrades) I can see me joining the PS4 thread in the near future ;)

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None of my desktops have exploded either ..... ;)

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So Windows 7 support ended 2 days ago but I've just finished installing 4 updates. I thought yesterday mornings would be the last.

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I guess it will be future updates.

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You mean like what happened with XP?

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No I'm just guessing they will stop coding updates now, you got updates coded before the end date.

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tbh getting Windows updates are usually the source of any pc problem I get. Not getting them would be a bonus! Curse the day I upgraded to W10....