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True, but infinity isn't yet available in as many areas as VM so if people have the choice between ADSL and cable then BT are gonna find it difficult to get them to switch even with free sport offerings at least if they offer subscription for VM TV customers, they have more money coming in from people in that situation

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True

it wholly depends on BT's endgame. Every customer they can get to switch to BT Infinity, is extra revenue to compensate for free BT sport

I guess it also depends on what is better profit for them, and how hard they want to compete

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BT's website is still very clear about how VM customers can get BT Sport

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/06/19.jpg

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Don't believe everything you read because like all adverts its very much a one way slant.

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BT Infinity now covers more homes than VM do and their fibre footprint is growing all the time.

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I agree. I expect their feet to be pretty big soon

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Still not available at my exchange.


You can enjoy BT Broadband now. BT Infinity isn't currently available to you.

You can choose BT Broadband now offering:

15.5Mb * Estimate download speed

8.5Mb-18.5Mb Download speed range

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Really? you got a source for that?

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You get that when I say it covers more homes that I mean availability not number of connected fibre customers right ?

BT Infinity now covers in excess of 15 million homes
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5...on-so-far.html

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Yes i knew what you meant by that, but never realised that it was as many!

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No BT fibre at my exchange also with no date on the horizon.
I must admit I was shocked when I read it myself , cabinets serving 1.8 million customers enabled last quarter is some going as well.

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No date here either :(

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That says more to me that you can get ESPN with BT Sport just not on XL, rather than you can't get it at all on Virgin.

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That's how I read it too.

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Hi phoned BT enquiring about bt sport the gentlemen I spoke to said after the 12 months BT will charge for sport £12 plus £3 for hd channels BT infinity £15 offer 40 gig will increase £3 to £18 they spent millions they have to get their money back this is 12 month offer to attract new bb customer

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And this one?

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5098/9mgr.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6146/o85e.jpg

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Damned lies and more damned lies.

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At worst, you might still be able to watch online

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I got am email from VM yesterday as I had registered to receive info about BT Sport. Just as I thought, yes, we got it, the email aid "We are still talking to BT etc" I already knew that:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

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But they are at least telling you that nothing has happened.

It could be worse, they could not have told you nothing has happened.

wait..is that worse? :D

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Received that E-mail yesterday and another one saying the same thing just now.

Bit too keen to tell us that there's no BT Sports news and Eurosport is, shock horror, showing sport!

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Maybe they could do a TiVo app or smart tv app for btsport, where you pay bt direct for it.

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I really cant see why some people are getting their knickers in a twist over this, we've been told time and again that they are in negotiations re BT sport, even BenMcr has mentioned this and i'm pretty sure he's more in the know than most, there's more than a month to go before the football season starts so there's plenty of time yet, chill people!

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That doesn't make sense, unless BT want to sell BT sports to virgin customers...but I am guessing they could do that now...all they need is the channel

If Virgin don't get BT sports, it is either because BT are charging a bit more for virgin to carry the channel, or BT don't want Virgin to have the channel period (in the hope that broadband customers would move across to BT)

Am i missing any other scenario?

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Ofcom to investigate Sky over wholesale supply of Sky Sports 1 and 2 to BT

On Friday 24 May 2013, Ofcom received a complaint from BT which alleges that the terms on which Sky offered wholesale supply of SS1&2 to BT’s YouView platform amount to an abuse of dominance. The complaint alleges that Sky is making wholesale supply of SS1&2 to BT’s YouView platform conditional on BT wholesaling BT Sport channels to Sky for retail on Sky’s satellite platform.

As set out in section 25 of the Act, Ofcom may conduct an investigation where it considers there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that the Chapter II prohibition and/or the prohibition in Article 102 TFEU have been infringed. In addition to the Chapter II prohibition in the Act, Ofcom has the power to apply Article 102 TFEU in full.

Ofcom has now opened an investigation under section 25 of the Act into the matters raised by BT’s complaint and will consider whether Sky has abused a dominant position under UK and/or EU competition law.

As part of the complaint BT has requested that Ofcom should consider whether it is necessary to act as a matter of urgency to grant interim measures relief under section 35 of the Act. We expect to issue a decision on interim measures in July 2013

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enf...paign=cw_01106

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59 days to be exact

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If BT Sport are showing Scottish games then there is less than 59 days to go!

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Correct. 44 days to go until the SPL kicks-off.

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And good things comes to those who wait.:)

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I hope so Den but I am losing the faith... :bigcry:

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They do indeed Den, but everytime I see you post this I always think "unless you have Sky, who probably have it already":(

Still, I do "like" the waiting game, it helps improve my patience:)

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Then before you go bed each night pray 5 times and your wish will be my command.:D

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i wish liverpool finished bottom...i wish liverpool finished bottom...i wish liverpool finished bottom...i wish liverpool finished bottom...i wish liverpool finished bottom

Does it still come true? :D

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No , no , no. :nono::nono:

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Even if we was told today, 44 days wouldn't be long enough for me to have BT fibre and sky tv installed, given I am going on holiday inbetween, if I'm left scratching about at the last minute I will never forgive VM, over 20 years of loyal custom will be gone forever.

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If VM do not get it, It will be a good excuse to go to the Pub.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

:D

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Interesting news this afternoon

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...premier-league

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A bit of an overreaction don't you think, considering that they are still in talks.

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You don't need a season in the SLP to crown Celtic as champions:D

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How can it be an over reaction? Even if VM do manage to carry it I may still jump depending on what it costs and whether it is dedicated HD channels(s) or streaming via a TiVo app, you can bet that the constant vagueness is part of the strategy so that the offer of free HD from BT passes making whatever virgin do offer more attractive or making the reality of having to have my drive dug up to get BT infinity seem like too much of an hassle. It is the constant not knowing anything that does my head in, it's alright saying that we will know when there is something to tell but the more time that elapses the less time i will have to make an informed choice to change my services with out interrupting my football viewing.

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The thing is mate how can they possibly tell us something when they haven't yet reached an agreement and don't know themselves! Are you suggesting they just kind of say, well look guys, we're expecting to get BT sports, but just not sure when!!

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I will jump on the bandwagon here. Its on the Sky epg and going through tests, Talk, talk will almost certainly have it, while the hell doesn't VM pull there finger out and sort it now. There will be friendlies organised that will shown on Tv etc.

What l reckon will happen is VM will put BT Sports on the day before the whole thing kicks off.

Well lets put it this way, if this problem is not sorted out l will switch the whole lot off and go over to Freeview.

I am fed up paying through the nose for all sports channels shown by Sky, and then VM will rip you off with the package also.

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I will be astonished if VM get a "deal" from BT for this. I am sure VM will get the channels, but it will surely be on the same terms as Sky, or why would BT run the risk of not gaining BB customers?!? VM not agreeing to the terms Sky have had to accept can surely be the only thing holding the talks up?
If your football is really that important surely it is going to be cheaper for you by joining Sky (current deals, HD channels) and getting BT Sports free for a year? Also you will finally have some peace of mind. :)

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You have persuaded me..I am going to get sky tv (who is with me?)
:D

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Good point Mad Max, although, I have always thought that is what VM have been saying all along though.

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Well, VM may or may not get a deal. However, if they don't, they may still give XL viewers a reduced price. They did it free for ESPN, so they can do something similar with BT Sports, although it won't be free.

Am I not right in saying that Sky viewers only have the option of getting BT Sports free via their computer, but not through their Sky box? If so, a reduced price for VM would be a good incentive for Sky viewers to get Virgin Media, to see it with their TIVO boxes.

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For the reason given in my post above, you may be jumping ship too early. Why the hurry?

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Because they are trying to get you the best deal possible. Would you prefer them to get in quick and pay over the top?

Please be patient Arthur, it's only June!

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No, it goes through the sky box..I can see it now :)

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:upyours:;):D

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In which case, their web site is somewhat confusing! I'll let my son in law know, it might change his mind!

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Erm, Old Boy, i think Colin is pulling your plonker mate!

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No pulling.

From their website
On Sky Digital Satellite Platform
If you have a satellite receiver box and viewing card, you can easily take BT Sport from us. You don't need to be a BT customer - but if you have our broadband, it's free. And it's only available direct from BT. Order now for free HD for a year.

And as I say, 413 and 414 are the HD channels on sky...showing commercials for BT sport now..until 1 August

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Not sure about the Sky part, but surely they would have announced a deal for XL viewers (and by default everyone else) by now if that was the case? I cannot imagine BT would worry where the money for the channels comes from, as long as they get the full amount of money they are asking for.
I personally think the ESPN money has been put into the recent channel arrivals, and won't be used for BT Sports. I hope to be proved wrong though for those who want it though.

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When they close down and inform you that you can only watch it through your computer:D:D:D:D Just kidding OLDBOY. Thinking on from my previous post, the Sky website may mean that you can watch the channels as part of the Sky Go offering as well as through the box:)

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Lovely, one relegation place filled...

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What's the only ship never to have docked in Liverpool?

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EFA

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:nono::nono::nono::D:D

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Steady........:(

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Sky Sports wins Ofcom ruling over BT Sport adverts

Ofcom has ruled in favour of Sky following a dispute over its decision not to carry adverts for its competitor BT Sport. The regulator said that it was reasonable for a broadcaster to discriminate against its competitors in this manner to protect its commercial interests and brand identity, Broadcast reports. "We accept that a broadcaster may in principle have legitimate commercial reasons to refuse advertising from a direct competitor on its own service," said Ofcom.

It added that the financial impact on BT of having to target customers in other ways would be "limited" as there were several other marketing opportunities to reach the target audience of ABC1 men. Sky's group director of corporate affairs Graham McWilliam said of BT's initial protest: "BT's demands are a bit like Tesco expecting to advertise inside Sainsbury's." Meanwhile, BT has again complained to Ofcom over Sky's refusal to supply Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 on "fair terms" for distribution via BT-branded YouView.

BT says that Sky will not allow the broadcast of these channels over BT boxes unless it offers Sky its own BT Sport channels. It argues that it should not have to do so as a newcomer in the market, compared to Sky's contrasting obligations as the largest player, while also noting that Sky will allow Sky Sports to be featured on TalkTalk-branded YouView boxes.

The regulator has opened an investigation into this "alleged abuse of a dominant position" by Sky. BT said: "We are pleased Ofcom has decided to open an investigation as we believe Sky has behaved in an unreasonable and discriminatory manner. "This is because they have refused to provide Sky Sports 1 and 2 to BT on YouView on fair terms whilst providing them to other pay TV retailers such as TalkTalk." Sky has dismissed this new complaint as being "entirely without merit".

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...#ixzz2WlZ28XCq

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1 - 0 Sky!

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And soon it will be 2-0.

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I would hope so..I think the case is ridiculous

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BT have entered the lions den and like those before will find how hard it is to break Sky's Sports domination .

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That's a ridiculous outcome and totally illogical argument Sky have made!

I could see the point if BT were showing the same games, but they're not. Customers will be subscribing to two services to get the full suite of games. The competition only occurs at the bidding for the rights, which has now passed.

Seems strange that Sky don't see this as an opportunity to sell more to their own customers.

I feel Sky are definitely the magpies of the TV business...

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Sell more what?

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He mentioned magpies...and they do appear in the sky at times..perhaps he meant that? :)

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I actually agree with sky on this one, if bt won't let sky sell their channels to subscribers why should sky pet bt sell skysports, this is also why virgin doesnt have bt sport.

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I like the mistype..sky pet BT :D

But agree with the post

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Whatever happens I reckon VM cutomers will end up paying more to watch premier football next season. Even if they just stick with Sky sports they'll only be getting 116 matches instead of the 131 of last season all for the same money. Can't see the other 38 BT matches being free to VM customers (XL).

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And french league..italian, german..europa games..

Only thing I'm not sure about..is ESPN.

That will have the cup games, and not sure if ESPN stops on Virgin..will that channel stay?

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It does, on 31st July!

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But Virgin will have BT Sport. It hasn't started broadcasting yet!:rolleyes:

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Well....channels? Sky could make money out of having a wholesale deal with BT and I don't honestly think that this is in the best interests of the consumer.

Still, since when did that matter to Sky or Ofcom? The whole regulatory system needs turning upside down because it ain't working.

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The notion that competition takes place at the time of bidding is ludicrous. It is, in itself, anti-competitive, since it ensures that the company with the deepest pockets wins the day. Worse still, in this instance BT outbid Sky who were then actually given the chance to respond with an even higher bid, and knew that the package they were bidding for came with the control rights! This is where OfCom should be getting involved - the whole thing was cronyism at its worst.

True competition would mean multiple broadcasters being allowed to show the same packages and the consumer being able to choose who they felt did so the best, and for the best price. It's frankly a scandal that you can do this by entering the European market, but not here where the events being televised are actually taking place. This is our national game that has been snatched from us and what's worse is that we've not only allowed it to happen but we're mostly content to pay for the privilege!

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This is a good read:

http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?page_id=538

Tells the story of how live top flight football jumped from ITV to SKY back in 1992. In 1988 ITV paid £11 million for the live rights. In 1992 SKY's bid was £304 million.

Would the English Premiership be the league it is today if it wasn't for the SKY money? I firmly believe the English Premiership is the house that SKY built.

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I think what we should do is this - boycott football on Tv unless its free, and be like those fans did the other day and protest at the costs of shirts.

It cost me and my family in the region of £300/400 to go and see Spurs play (yes we are mad) but l do not see why we should pay extortionate money to go to games and then we pay subs for TV.

We should start a survey on here.

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I am happy paying sky..would like to pay less, but could say that for lots of things (electricity, food)

I like sky's coverage

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While I completely agree the current method of selling the rights is a complete shambles , I'm not sure the method you suggest would work. With multiple broadcasters being allowed to bid and show the same packages the amount each broadcaster would be willing to pay would significantly decrease as they could no longer guarantee revenue due to non exclusivity , the lower amounts would play into the hands of the FTA/terrestrial broadcasters giving the pay TV channels an unfair disadvantage whilst great for us the consumer I believe the football leagues would see a significant drop in the amount of money each club receives.

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They survived before the premier league started. I would be surprised if they were not running more financially successfully too. I certainly do not remember too many clubs going into administration, even in previous recessions.
I doubt it would make much difference either if lower league clubs lost money, players would just have to be paid less than they currently are or choose different professions.
Also the FTA/terrestrial channels have an unfair disadvantage currently, so why not change the rules to make it fairer? (rhetorical question)

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Thats always going to be the case. It's a non stop ever-spiralling upwards circle. Higher bids, more money to the clubs, higher wages paid, higher ticket prices and back to square one when the next round of bidding starts.

Simple answer - (I don't think everyone shows everything will work so) Packages EQUALLY split 4 &4 or 3 & 3. No dominance for anyone.

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that will never happen Colin as sky will keep bidding more to make sure they win the most packs price will only keep going up and up sadly

yes sky coverage is best by million miles on football

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Maybe the Premier League could start their own channel that is available across every pay TV platform. 154 live games per year at say £25.00 per month or £200.00 if you buy a full "season ticket" in advance. Then broadcasters are free to differentiate their coverage from other competitors by offering the likes of HD coverage, games in 3D, multiple commentary options and in game red button options.

For terrestrial TV the Premier League could offer a combined package of match highlights and 12 live games per year. The Premier League could use the free to air games to continually advertise and push their 154 live game per year pay channel.

That way there are free to air and pay TV options. Everyone has access to live Premiership action. The problem is as long as people are happy to subscribe to SKY Sports and BT Sports this will never be an option. It's us the consumers that have the power to drive change.

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Very fair point , quite honestly I don't know what the ideal solution is as both the current and the suggested method both have there flaws.
The premier league channel idea was something I mentioned on here a while ago it makes perfect sense , it could also be sold online and via streaming devices. Your idea for terrestrial also makes sense.

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Can't say I can think of a solution either MM. I think the idea that Chad has written and you suggested previously is the fairest solution, not just for for football fans, but non-football fans too. If Sky did not "have to" pay for the football, Sky Sports would be considerably cheaper and fairer for cricket/golf/darts/tennis etc fans. Having said that, I am sure the ECB or all other governing bodies could do as you suggest. In fact if the ECB did sell its own packages, we could possibly have TMS as the commentary team:)

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I don't know, but I do know that English football as a whole would be healthier and probably less prone to financial management in pursuit of the money the Premier League (not EPL or English Premier League, thank you very much!) brings. A season where the club that wins the FA Cup, but has to effectively give up on the resulting European place because regaining its Premier League place is more important than anything else, and that is solely because of the money involved, just makes me a bit sad, really.

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Wasn't this idea put about before but the EU would rule this was a cartel arrangement and therefore illegal.

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It may well of been, but I believe (may be wrong, happy to be corrected) Barcelona and Real Madrid sell their games on tv to their fans in Spain. How would that be different to the scenario just posted I wonder?
Besides, even if that suggestion was illegal, there should be nothing stopping the Premier league setting up a rival channel as competition to Sky/BT etc.

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I have to agree the Premier League IMO has been the ruin of Football in this Country. Its all about money and nothing else the richest clubs are at the top year after year and true competition for the League title has disappeared. As someone who stood on the terraces at White Hart Lane in the 1960's it saddens me see the state of football in the Country today. Very little of the money generated by the EPL makes it to grass roots football and that is why we have few youngsters coming through who are truly world class (Jack Wilshire) is the only one who come to mind. The Spanish and Germans grasped the nettle over 10 years ago and look at them now. The FA have overseen this terrible situation come to pass. I apologise for this rant in advance, but it saddens me to see this happen.:(

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Spot on. Tickets in Germany are between €15-25 a game. Tickets in England are £35-70 per game. Season ticket at Bayern Muenchen is €150, my season ticket at Anfield was £850...

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More a symptom of rip off Britain

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The Spanish and Germans have managed to create world class leagues full of great players and highly paid foreign stars whilst keeping prices affordable for their fans, their clubs financially solvent (in Germany at least) and strong in European competition, and, ensuring that their national teams remain competitive. If those are the factors by which you measure success then the Premier League simply hasn't been one.

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Absolutely and l cannot see nowt changing.

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Totally agree.

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Agree again. What I would like to see is an "Football/EPL channel" I could then subscribe to Sky Sports and not bother with "Rip-off" EPL. Subs for Sky Sports would be lower, thereby anyone who does not like football could enjoy all the sports that Sky covers at lower cost and those who want to watch Premier League football could subscribe to the "Football channel"..... yeah I know, not likely to happen.:mad:

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I would support your idea as I am no longer an avid football fan well not soccer anyway and anything that makes Sky Sports subs cheaper has to be good.
The amount of money these over rated prima donas get paid makes my blood boil.

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I stood on the terraces at WHL long before they had seats, and the first record l heard was Ringo Starr, and the talent then was superb, and they played REAL football, not like the footballers who now fall over for the TV cameras.

Thats why l say footballers of today would not last five minutes today.

With Tv at every ground in the PL, you only have to blow a kiss and oops over they go.

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Also every single game is available via sky bundesliga live or LIGa Total.

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german stadiums built with gov subsidising.

standing=more ppl=can afford to give cheaper prices.

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There are a couple of very basic things to consider when comparing German football to English football. Firstly Germany has a population of 82 million, almost 30 million more than England. Secondly Germany has 3 top leagues containing 56 clubs compared to England's 92 clubs spread over 4 main leagues. In terms of population to club ratio, German football has a massive advantage over English football.

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Not sure that stands the real test.

Yes, there are too many clubs and leagues...but population difference is moot.

Good players will still come through, just not as many. But the FA system is flawed.

And as raised in other posts, trying to get as much as possible money has caused some of this.

i don't agree that sky has caused the problem, they are merely adapting to the situation. It is the FA that decides how to sell the rights, not sky.

The big problem at the moment is, how to reverse something that you put in place (re selling rights).

Clubs don't want less money, so changing the methodology will be hard, if not impossible unless sky etc refuse to pay the money

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German youth football isn't all that either, what have they won recently? Also a few of Germany's better players of recent years where raided from Poland :erm:
(Basil, don't mention the ...)

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39 days to go and still no news about BT Sport launching on Virgin Media... surely talks between them don't take this long?