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Yes we can maximise spend but it's not the easiest task. Especially if you're looking for value as you're taking as risk. Players who are certain to be good command a much higher premium so you take risk underneath that. For every Koscielny there will be a Squillaci.

That said it's something we can do much better on. No one is saying Arsenal is perfect.

Also if all the players had been performing then maybe we would have won something but every team tends to have players who under perform. Spurs' decline towards the end was driven partly by a drop in Modric's performance. If United had a better midfield would they have won the league? In hindsight everything is easy.

However what do we actually expect from a new manager? Is it win the league?

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1. The League
2. The Champions League
3. The FA Cup
4. Champions League Qualification
5. The League Cup

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Yes I understand the prioritisation of what we want to win, but what would be expected of them? The FA Cup and League Cup have never saved anyones jobs, ask Dalglish. So we're at the league. What position what the new manager be expected to achieve?

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first and foremost we have to be performing and the recent history of taking the pee has to be ousted. with that foundation we can go for the league.

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What else is a better judge of performance than league position? This is my problem with 'getting Wenger out', it's based on nebulous perceptions of performance. Statistically Wenger is performing well, either at or above the level of revenue Arsenal have and certainly beyond the money spent. So the justification of getting rid of him depends on issues that are harder to quantify.

We have to be careful about that. If there is no real evidence that Wenger is under performing then what evidence is there that a new manager will do better?

Are we sure we're not transferring a general discontent over the direction of football and our difficulty in adjusting to a new place in the pyramid onto Wenger and that, once he has gone, the problems will remain?

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Wenger is underperforming. Arsenal on the field is declining. i dont just look at stats but reality of our current state.

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Although not a Arsenal supporter they are a shadow of the sides from the past although the same can be said of my beloved as well.

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Arsenal are declining but I would argue that it's the result of better funded teams arriving.

I think you need to better define how Wenger is under performing because the league positions suggest he is not. If it's not clear what the standard expectation should be of Arsenal then I find it hard to take it seriously when people say he is underachieving on that expectation.

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declining because of the mega rich throwing money about? no. declining because Wenger doesnt seem to be able to get the full squad performing and as a result wasting a vast amount of cash. yes.

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It's isn't a coincidence that Arsenal stopped winning after Chelsea's billions arrived on the scene, nor is it a coincidence that Manchester City won the league after having half a billion pounds invested in their first team squad. Money speaks. This has held up with few exceptions. The richest clubs tend to win their respective leagues.

We can talk about Wenger over and over again but it should be a substantive discussion with a proper argument and/or facts to back it up. The continued assertion that Wenger needs to go and is ruining the team is hollow without a reasoned argument for it. There rarely is one.

So I am back to the first point I made. We need to define what our expectations are, if those expectations as reasonable in the current climate, and how Wenger is performing against those expectations. This isn't a conversation Arsenal fans wish to have because, looked at objectively, we're meeting what can be expected of us. That's a depressing thought given that 10 years ago we were on top of the game.

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amusing stuff. Chelsea went and stole Wengers French playground too right. unbelievable. reasonable arguement? your not listening. In 2008 we was short of a player or two. The 1-2 player(s) would not of cost the worlds cash reserves. Wenger decided against it and persisted with his own ways. instead of being one step ahead Wenger has left himself open to be attacked by various things such as his own players having enough and leaving. this is a cycle now. the qaulity is declining. Wengers become incredibly predictable.

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I am listening. I am writing quite long posts explaining my position and why I think you're mistaken. It's not unbelievable. It's quite self-evident that Chelsea and Manchester City got to where they are by spending a lot of money. There are only a few places at the top of the table and their presence there means we have fallen behind them

I am addressing what you're saying. I just don't think you've backed it up.


In hindsight there are a lot of things we would do differently of course. The fact the squad got so close in 2008 despite spending little money is a credit to Wenger and yes, he should have got more players. However that isn't a reason to let him go. Manchester United fans would say the same about the positions in which they were weak last year. In football that happens.

At the risk of labouring the point....

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you do not have to spends billions to compete. in our case its spending within means and also getting the most from spend. we have a huge wage bill. last season we finished 19pts behind Utd and City. Utds wage bill is 12% higher than ours i think? we finished 19pts behind utilising half a squad? not only that but we finished 19pts behind having a manager hell bent over his formation and some average players. what if Wenger was able to get the most out of the full squad or close to it, theres always a couple that dont pan out but half a squad not performing? ontop of that a formation that was too strong for our performers as we were and still are picked off.

its not in hindsight. previous seasons we needed a player or 2 extra. it wasnt done. we were crying out for it. may be not you but a vast amount of fans were. Wenger persisted. hes got himself in this because hes clearly in two places. at board level and pitched side. Wenger can be pitch side as well as aiding the boardroom and our forward motto but he cannot do it properly until he changes which he isnt going to do. i wish he would. Wenger himself is worth 100mil each window. if only he changed and dominated which he and we could.

we are not meeting expectations. minimum requirement which is qaulifying for the CL isnt expectations being met. a title charge is. getting the most out of the squad is. going to our rivals places and giving a good account of ourselves is. not being picked off like schoolboys is. not having blind faith in average crap. not buying average crap where theres other options. not buying to aid a flawed formation which in fact is played with average players that get caught out then the rest of the squad have to bear the chaos. not having stars leave because their fed up. etc. etc.

Wengers performing against his own crap. hes getting into the CL using half a squad and that star or two surrounded by average. he is not performing above expectations or above resources available.

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I think you do need quite significant spending to compete. I haven't seen many examples in football where a team has managed to compete with someone that has a much higher budget. Here that would be Manchester City and Chelsea, in Spain it's Barcelona and Real Madrid. Germany is better but that's largely because they do not have juggernauts spending billions on their squads.

In England however the trend towards high spending has been the case since in the inception of the Premier League. Only one club outside the high earners have won the league in 20 years, that was Blackburn, and that was because they were financed for that title challenge by Jack Walker.

So it's not clear to me that you can compete on the field when you cannot compete in the transfer market. It just hasn't be done in the last 20 years. All the clubs that have won the Premier League have managed to compete with their rival clubs in the transfer market. That trend has only got more pronounced with the arrival of Chelsea.

If it was possible to build a title winning team without spending big other clubs would have done it by now. Especially us.

People always cry out for more players. Sometimes they will be correct, other times they won't. I agree that in 2008 we should have had better squad depth but we didn't and that was that. It's worth remembering all the other things the fans said we should do that would have been mistakes, remember the outcry for M'Vila? Now M'Vila's career is descending rapidly down the pan. The problem is the fans forget when they're wrong but remember when the manager is wrong for the next 10 years.

Arsenal won't be able to dominate. I don't understand that logic at all. We may one season make a heroic bid for the title but, unless the football climate changes, we won't ever dominate and we never really have since Chapman. United or Liverpool were always there.

A title charge is an unrealistic expectation given the resources available. Even if we spent all the money in the bank our squad wouldn't match Manchester City's one. Given wages a player like Hazard would almost wipe it out.

The stars leave because they can double their contracts elsewhere. Wenger doesn't want to buy 'average crap' but each transfer is a risk. Clubs everywhere make bad decisions when buying players. It isn't easy. I trust Wenger more than I trust fans when it comes to judging a players quality.

Well he is matching expectations and sometimes slightly above what is available. We have the 4th/5th largest wage bill and finished 3rd. We have one of the lowest net transfer spends in the league and we finished 3rd. These aren't bad numbers. 3rd/4th is about where we are...behind City/Chelsea/United.

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hold on you just agreed we got close in 08 when we lacked a player or two. there were players around that would not have cost the earth in transfer fee in salary.

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there are many players out in the world. other clubs scouting network sucked. now its becoming clear you have to have a decent network.

we were close. Wenger failed to add a player or two into the mix. by the way Arsenal are more than capable of spending big. the fact theres other players and the fact Arsenal wont go throw an extra 10mil for the sake of it means we can compete.

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right firstly fair enough both parties are right and wrong but not addressing the obvious is foolish.

M'Vilas a tool.

i meant dominating maximising resources available.

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we dont need to match City or Chelseas wage bill. its inflated just like ours is at the moment seeing as we're getting nothing from half the squad. look at Newcastles wage bill and what they achieved. a much much lower wage bill who missed out of CL but still pushed until the end. we have a budget of 4th biggest spenders in salary. i think a title charge is more than capable if resources are spent properly, the squad players are kept on their toes and formations suit.

i honestly cant believe youve been sucked into the crap.

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so they leave just because of money? right ok. and Wenger doesnt want to buy crap? its his choice to buy and persist with crap.

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Yes, I never said we wouldn't have. I just think it's all very well saying that now. I wish we had done that but it was injuries which cost us a lot in that season and how would we be sure the players we got would have been in those positions? It's speculative.

All the clubs do have a decent network really. The major ones. There are few surprises in football now. If we look at some of the smart, cheap, buys then there aren't world beaters. Mostly Newcastle with the likes of Ba but they didn't really show anything that makes me think they would sustain a title challenge. There is a big gap between that level and the type of players that can win a title, they are being hoovered up by clubs like city.

In the end there are many players in the world but so few who have played at a top level. The ones who have proven they can compete at that level are noticed and command a premium. We deal with players who haven't competed at that level and therefore we take the risk.

However Wenger's return on these players in excellent really. Jenkinson, Koscielny and Sagna. Chamberlain wasn't unknown but showed he would pay for quality. Arteta and Cazorla were cheap. He has done alright there to be honest.

Even if you take the £60 million that is meant to be in reserve (and it would be foolish to take all of it) that isn't exactly going to trouble City and Chelsea. It could probably buy us a decent striker and defender but we'll still struggle with depth in some positions. I think it would help us cement third or fourth depending how the others do...

I think third or forth is acceptable given Arsenal's resources.

My real problem at Arsenal is the ticket prices and the board's fleecing of the fans more than our lack of silverware.

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hes meeting expectations using half a squad. being 4th biggest salary spenders means nothing when only half of it is meaningful so yes if you look at wgmhats useful and has made a difference then yes it is above expectations but then that puts us where in the salary spend table?

we're only behind Utd, Chelsea and City because our resources spent is not being maximized. we could be a lot closer outperforming and running a business so its peaking. true role model self subtainzzz.

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Sucked into what crap? I don't think it's realistic to compete with clubs that have considerably more money than us. This isn't a novel realisation, it's evident when you look at the league table for the last 10 years. City and Chelsea did not, did not, get where they are because they were clever with purchases and formations. They spent a massive amount of money.

By all means we should try but we shouldn't expect to do it. It's a very hard thing to do. If it wasn't then we would see more clubs doing it. You can kind of do it to an extent, especially lower down the league, but at the top of the league it becomes harder.

Of couse it isn't. He wants to buy good players, sometimes he gets it wrong. That happens in football when you're buying untested players. I am aware every fan seems to know better than Wenger when it come to what players to buy, what tactics to use and so on. However we have to be aware it's much harder when you're the guy that has to make those decisions and you don't have the benefit of hindsight. I am sure Wenger wishes he done some of these things too but he doesn't want to buy crap and he isn't a fool.

I am tired of this same discussion each time now anyway. We're going around in circles like we do every time.

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We're either forth or fifth, it depends on what Liverpool currently have as it's usually between us and them for that last spot there.

We're really not. All of them produce substantially bigger incomes from their owners or business. We should manage the resources better of course but money talks.

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like i said it was said prior and during the season. it wasnt injuries as such but bedding the amount of chances created. we kept creating but lacked fire player. someone who could wieve in and score. someone direct.

so having Ben Arfa wouldnt have helped us in 08? a players whos direct? Cabaye couldnt play in a title fighting side. I agree there are levels but our levels of surrounding pure talent around average is poor. the are players Newcastle obtained. 1 or 2 of their players could work wonders for our push.

not true. buying a player or two costing each in the region of below 15-20mil could of seen us lift the title in 08.

acceptable i guess but expectations of going for the title not met.

yeah they pee me off too.

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City spent a vast amount. you could also look at it by seeing the vast amount they wasted.

of course nothings perfect but we should be chasing perfection getting as close as possible. after all Ivan sells our model as perfection yet the flaws and cracks are clear as the day.

im saying but way too much!!!

ypu didnt understand. if you add up all the funds used on those that offered something and minused the useless waste we would be a lot lower than 4th biggest spenders in salary.

we could get a lot closer. they are banked roled i know still it doesnt bother me. we have renewals coming up and we have budgets able to lure qaulity not to mention stature and involvement in the CL. not all players are taken by the mega mega rich. there are players who slip through the net. i dont know who as im not a scout but i assure you theres talent able to be obtained by Arsenal instead of the Lidl trolley dashes

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It's beginning to look a lot like Aldi.

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itll be the jumble sale next.

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in other news.... FRAUD!

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right so in the summer it looks like Huntelaar, Lewandowski and Llorente will be available on a free. I want Huntelaar at Arsenal :D

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And the rumour is he will join my beloved.

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may be. City want Suarez

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A pipedream methinks.

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the same could be said about Huntelaar going to Liverpool

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what could of been...

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it really is criminal!! how many players have slipped through our net!

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The rumours have been strong about this one for weeks so its certainly not a pipedream.:)

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Well if you want that type of player you have to play like the big boys

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his agent has spoken of no agreement and that he's yet to weigh up his options.

that picture was taken a while back, competing

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Ibrahimovic wouldn't have worked at Arsenal I don't think. His attitude isn't great and he frequently falls out with his teams, additionally his playing style wouldn't have fit the team either. I mean these are the reasons it didn't work out at Barcelona. He wanted to be the main man, the focus of the team, but the style of their play meant he was used to give them another options in the box and he therefore fell out with his teammates and the manager.

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Well we will find out in about 7 weeks with the winter transfer window.

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Wenger would love that sort of player right now but yeah I'd rather go elsewhere. Which would you go for Damien.. Huntelaar, Lewandowski or Llorente ?

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it could be a pretty active January window for once. Wenger doesn't really do business in January but its clear something may well happen with contracts ending and all

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Llorente probably, haven't really seen enough of any of those to be honest. I am not convinced we'll get any of those by the way. A lot of these players may wait to leave on a free in the summer and thus command higher wages/signing on bonus.

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Llorente seems a copy of Giroud or atleast what Wengers trying to achieve with him. You know as well as I do Wenger wont drop Giroud for another similar type of player unless he's of great quality which Huntelaar is ?

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Ivan Gazidis: Arsenal will compete with biggest clubs in the world

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20220153

The question is this just talk or will they start to get their chequebook out?.

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faith & patience.

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Thy lord moves in mysterious ways oh great one.:)

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I disagree with mancini
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20357843
I don't think the squad has played well yet, but still think it needs strengthened, certainly defence, and midfield

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For once Colin l agree with you totally.

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To be pedantic..I think you have agreed with me before

But agree with sentiments, and i would be surprised if even mancini doesn't think same thing. Sounds more like talking for paper

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see this is what im talking about. efficiency! 2 things. City have a decent squad its just not being utilised as a unit. secondly the vast amount being spent and wasted.

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This^

The current Man city squad should be capable of winning 1) The PremierLeague title comfortably & 2) Reaching the Champions League final.

As it stands their European campaign has been a disaster and having Dzeko rescue 3 points every week from the bench is a joke, No idea why he's not starting games.

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I am sympathetic to dzeko on bench now, as impact player. But last season, he was on a scoring roll at start of season, and then wasn't started (and the lost form). That was strange. Presently I would have him play before ballotelli. Only because I feel ballotelli is too inconsistent, at least dzeko will try and play every game he is in, and is less likely to get sent off :D

On the other teams, I think arsenal needs more consistency, but, what team doesn't? Only Man Utd is showing some minor consistent form. I am ignoring Everton, West Brom, as I think they are over performing from what they have, and chelsea are performing as expected, given players they got during transfer window. I wouldn't mind a couple of their players for us, and they would be asset to any team, no exceptions.

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As usual the same poor defending by Arsenal as Spurs go one up.

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Definite red card

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Arsenal won't get a better chance now.

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Mertesacker 1-1.

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Henry will be happy, now :)

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Yes he has been a bit grouchy lately on here.:)

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This could be a rugby score

Shame, as i thought with Ade and defoe, spurs would have given as good as they got

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:D Adebayor derserved to go. The guys an absolute mindless fool. I bet he's sitting in the dressing room smiling right now too. His attitude sums it all up and his actions are disgraceful which is disappointing. I say disappointing because I supported him throughout when he done the best thing in my opinion when telling Bendtner he's poo. From then on in its just gone downhill. Anyway we're picking Tottenham off but we need to get the ball rolling a bit more. Simple play has seen Tottenham put a leg in to get the ball back and counter.

Win, draw or defeated today doesnt change my opinion on Wenger. Come on The Arsenal!

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Santi 4-1 now big boy.:)

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Big boy? Do you really know thenry that well?:D

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Arteta has had some bad passes. Certainly not the player he was for Everton

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We can only surmise what each other looks like behind the mask but you seem a cheery intelligent type.;)

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I am cheery, and Thenry is big boy...sounding like we are on the way to an alternative 7 dwarfs :D

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we should of destroyed Tottenham today, it was there for the taking. anyway 3pts :D

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Yes indeed and l wonder which one l am.:D

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:D

Scrappy goal from Ricky.

Cracking shot from Punchy.

Can we hold on? ..............

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looks like taxi time for hughes, if score stays the same

Be surprised if he doesn't go

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you have to laugh or you would cry.

Please can we have a defence for Christmas. :(

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And please can we keep Suarez fit as he's our only scorer.:)

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Suarez can have a fit...and a fence can be given at christmas...Santa has spoken :D

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This game should help Man City's goal difference

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Yes they have no problems up front thats for sure.:)

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Clean sheet again won't hurt either

Good save by hart..good block by company

i am watching game now..I love watching football abroad :D

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Abroad?.:)

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No, I'm a guy
:D

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Mark Hughes you are fired.:sniper:

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yes..1-3..you are the weakest link, especially with reading's score

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Awesome game for Arsenal.

Wish I could say the same for us, Losing to West Ham and Swansea at home in consecutive weeks is simply not good enough.

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We wre outstanding today.

Just a shame we couldn't keep a clean sheet.

:D :D

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Yes it has been poor but l am sure they will come out of it soon.

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Well done on a excellent performance today.:tu:

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Laughing at the Cisse saga too, Newcastle speak straight to their legal advisors and are likely to Pursue both FIFA & Senegal.

Never a dull day in Newcastle is there?

Nice to see Giroud and Podolski get in on the action & Cazorla is still getting better each week. No doubt the Spanish will come banging back for him the same way they did with Fabregas but if Arsenal did sell it will be for a substantial profit.

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im still annoyed we didnt destroy Tottenham today. itll give the Arsenal haters the chance to say Tottenham were still in it when it was infact Arsenal as always making it harder for themselves! :mad:

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The Norwich fans chanting racist things at Ashley Young. They should be shot

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sort it out Delia

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/11/21.jpg

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Shocking.:td::(

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When Young took a corner im sure they said something to him. I even paused it and rewinded it so i could double check and im sure they were racist to him

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As Delia says Let's be 'avin' you .:D

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I am a Arsenal hater, and maybe Howard Webb should have taken more control of the game with the dirty fouls going on from the Arsenal players.

As soon as the game started all Arsenal wanted to do was put Lennon and Bale out of the game. Yes Abe deserved to walk, but two Arsenal players tried to cripple him in the first ten minutes.

I have been a Spurs fan for the past 40 years, and you only won the game as Loris is one of the worst goalkeepers we have had and let in poor goals.

Each game he has played in, he has allowed silly goals to cost us dearly.

I hope that Levy calls in AVB on Sunday and tells him that he is sacked, he cannot chop and changed the team on each game, you need a team that plays together EACH game, Defoe scored a hat trick in one game and gets dropped the next. No wonder Chelsea got rid of him.

Yes l am angry that we lost, but Arsenal only won the game as we were down to ten men and we had a bad defence and a bad keeper.

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so Utd are defeated 1-nil at Norwich too. HA!

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As Bernard Matthews famously said Just Bootiful :cleader::cleader:.

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Yes, that was a nice surprise :)

But I don't think Utd were that good. Just better (or more consistent) than the rest until now.

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Don't worry...we'll have plenty of opportunities to take the mick out of Arsenal and Liverpool losing in the future ;)

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Yes l would not want it any other way as its all in good jest Mal.:D

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I know, awful isn't it, good to see kev scoring yet again, still what do you need him for when you have got the Ameobi's waiting in the wings...

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3-1 win :cleader::cleader::cleader: now lets start our season

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Well done Dave.:)

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Theo Walcott will not leave Arsenal in January, says Arsene Wenger

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20394509

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im starting to wonder whats going on. everyones jumped on the 'play him upfront' wagon which he wants plus an extra 10k a week not 100.

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Well that's it isn't it? He is claiming that the critical issue is that he plays up front, although Wenger might move him there it will be when he wants to do so. Wenger isn't going to take edicts from players on where they should go. The unspoken issue is money which also seems to be a problem since we've trying to make the wage bill make more sense.

I think he is going. We've been here all too many times before. A year ago we spoke to Walcott and his 'team' said they wanted to sort it out at the end of the season so he could 'focus', this always sends alarm bells ringing. Now he wants to wait until he is promised a certain position? Any manager worth his salt wouldn't commit to such a deal for a player whose really only proved himself in a another position. So this dance will continue until he leaves in the summer. The players always stall and hedge but they know their plan, leave on a free and pocket a larger signing on bonus.

Nasri did it, Van Persie did it, Walcott is going to do it. I hope I am wrong but if Walcott was going to sign he would have done it already.

I am also annoyed that, like Nasri before him, he seems to be having his best season when motivated by the prospect of a transfer/new contract.

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Galatasary fans waiting outside of the airport for the United team arrival

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net...~teMnkGHYdv10_


The team went out a different exit! haha

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not surprising that we may well have yet another last year performer.

have you seen the crosses made into the box stat? Gervinho we miss you!

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re-up pic mate its not showing. and dont worry. the fans have threatened i mean spoken to Eboue. watch out for him.

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hostile and tough fixtures tonight for the UK

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never seen a side dive, cheat and feign injury as much as Galatasaray

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The thing is they see it as just normal behaviour which of course to us is just pure cheating.

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I'm guessing this means Pep is on his way to Chelski then. Shame as I was hoping he'd take over from SAF.

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l guess thats loyalty for you Russ and l thought Hughsie was the first for the chop.

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Or Benitez..

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Joke of a club...

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 

It looks like Man Utd will have to rummage around in the second hand shops to get their new manager as top managers prefer to go to Harrods it seems.;):D

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 

nutters.